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(KTVB Boise)   Idaho considering changing Welfare Day to Welfare Week   (ktvb.com) divider line 158
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2013-02-01 01:24:50 PM
Kentucky has the system where the distribution goes by the last digit of your social security number,it must suck to have your last digit be a 9. Also hurray another thread where a bunch of bastards decide that poor people are evil blights upon society and only if they could pull their bootstraps up more they could not be scum.
 
2013-02-01 01:27:05 PM
Haha, you da ho
 
2013-02-01 01:32:19 PM

Whatthefark: There is nothing worse than getting stuck in an aisle behind Sweaty Betty's Hoveround while one of her brood pushes a cart filled with processed foods.


Then you should be too busy counting your blessings to notice this trivial once-a-month inconvenience.
 
2013-02-01 01:34:50 PM

Matthew Keene: a person that would not know what to do with a five pound bag of pinto beans and a hamhock.


Well I know I would throw them away, because I don't care for soup or whatever you would intend to make with that.  Ham: Least delicious of the meats.  Beans: Also for the most part not delicious.
 
2013-02-01 01:37:36 PM
Is this the thread where we complain about how craptastically awful the above sponsored link with no comment section is?
 
2013-02-01 01:39:15 PM
Can't we just do something useful with these welfare recipients, something empowering, something that might provide a little dignity.

Maybe we can start a Freedom Through Work program. The FTW program would require all welfare recipients that are deemed able to work camps that would provide housing, food, and insure that no undo outside interference from banned substance. We could then teach them the value of work through ditch digging, how to cook long pig for hundreds of people in industrial ovens, and  introduce them to cleanliness through gas showers.

Why I bet if we apply this program nation wide this would be the ultimate solution to the welfare problem.
 
2013-02-01 01:39:26 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Whatthefark: There is nothing worse than getting stuck in an aisle behind Sweaty Betty's Hoveround while one of her brood pushes a cart filled with processed foods.

Then you should be too busy counting your blessings to notice this trivial once-a-month inconvenience.


If they started buying real food, they'd linger in the stores longer....so maybe we should be OK with the current situation.

Actually preparing a meal requires work.  You could give them reading lessons, a cookbook, and a full kitchen, and they'd look at you blankly and maybe sell the silverware for walking around money, and heat up some off-brand hot pockets.
 
2013-02-01 01:40:33 PM
Oregon has been doing this for years. The day your SNAP benefits are available on the Oregon Trail card are based on the last digit of your Social Security number.
 
2013-02-01 01:42:51 PM

here to help: Uh... why exactly would it cost a million bucks to do this? Aren't these just done electronically? But yeah... once a month checks are brutal especially for folks who aren't exactly known to be good with money. First of the month send them their rent money and half their living allowance/food allowance. Then send the other half mid month... but leave the option open for for those who'd rather continue using the current method.


Your plan would cost the State more, both to implement and ongoing.
 
2013-02-01 01:43:19 PM
I da ho?
 
2013-02-01 01:43:24 PM

Rivetman1.0: On my drive home from work a Burger King has a huge sign "E.B.T. accepted".
California, what next?


EBT cards can have both cash benefits and food stamp benefits on them.
 
2013-02-01 01:43:58 PM

Spanky_McFarksalot: Dammit! this is money that could be going to wall street bankers! Priorities america, the rich need their fair share.


Who do you think is going to get the money spent to make this change?
 
2013-02-01 01:45:59 PM

Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.


name brand errthang too
 
2013-02-01 01:46:45 PM
Why should food cost money at all?  It is a basic human right, much more so than health care.
 
2013-02-01 01:47:35 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Your plan would cost the State more, both to implement and ongoing.


Well thanks for providing details as to why.

It's mostly done electronically these days. The only reason any major cost increases would occur is because some greedy f*cks are overcharging the system. Don't let them do that.
 
2013-02-01 01:47:56 PM

Fluid: Seems like a good idea. Decreases the temptation to over-spend on the first day of the month, and people still get their food stamps when they need them.


I don't think it's possible to overspend a foodstamp allowance.  And you don't seem to understand the proposal; recipients would still get foodstamps only once a month, just on a different day.

The concern is, "OMG! They're gonna make me go without food for X days one time!"  That will be addressed by giving extra benefits in one payment and moving the next payment date.
 
2013-02-01 01:48:39 PM

Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.


I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.
 
2013-02-01 01:48:46 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: TofuTheAlmighty: Is subby pissed that he only appreciates his health insurance and mortgage interest deductions once or twice a year? Those are worth way more than food stamps, you mooching piece of shiat.

Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.


The humorless are often confused.
 
2013-02-01 01:51:56 PM

GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?


So that those that actually feed this nation can make a living.  Do you think that these folks will spend all thier time, effort and money for a pat on the back?
 
2013-02-01 01:52:22 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.

You think food stamp recipients don't pay sales tax or payroll taxes (or state income taxes)? Pretty much the only progressive tax nowadays is the federal income tax. Why should my homeownership or health insurance be subsidized by public dollars? Food stamps, Section 8, the aforementioned deductions, preferential treatment of capital gains vs. wages - these are all transfers of wealth from the public coffers to individuals. They are all a form of welfare whether you want to believe it or not.


Capital gains are not preferrential, theyare different realizations on income .

Investments require risk. Working for aset paycheck does not .

Investments are long term gain. If it takes me 10 years of capital risk to make 100k the calculation is on a set sale for all gains. If you want it taxed at normal income you would need to remove all risk and do gains as if taken each year of the investment. For the above it would tax at the rate of 10k.

Stop the simple thinking that capital gains are equal to income. They are completely different vehicles.
 
2013-02-01 01:54:13 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: Food stamps, Section 8, the aforementioned deductions, preferential treatment of capital gains vs. wages - these are all transfers of wealth from the public coffers to individuals


How do you transfer something out of the public coffers that was never in them to begin with, as would be the case with (for example) deductions?
 
xcv
2013-02-01 01:56:42 PM

HeadLever: GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?

So that those that actually feed this nation can make a living.  Do you think that these folks will spend all thier time, effort and money for a pat on the back?


How does the defense industry get most of their money or do they work for a pat on the back?
 
2013-02-01 01:57:50 PM

Kazrath: sigdiamond2000: Idaho?

I thought food stamps were only used by lazy "urban" welfare queens with plasma Xbox flat screen refrigerator Obama phones?

Thanks, came here to say pretty much the same thing.  There are no welfare recipients in Idaho as those are limited to libby lib states.


In my Derp-Red corner of Oregon ( which is otherwise pretty liberal), something like 15% of the population uses a SNAP card....

/ and the poverty rate is 29.7% (2008)
 
2013-02-01 01:58:51 PM

DubyaHater: I know a great way to get money throughout the month. It's called "Getting a job and receiving a paycheck". I received a deposit in my account today, and I'll be expecting one in another two weeks. It's an amazing concept.


You hiring?
 
2013-02-01 01:58:51 PM
""I would like to use this money to educate people on how they can use their food stamps more efficiently and stretch them over the month. "

You could start by making all junk food not eligible for use on the card.  That alone would save you more than you realize.
 
2013-02-01 02:02:32 PM

xcv: HeadLever: GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?

So that those that actually feed this nation can make a living.  Do you think that these folks will spend all thier time, effort and money for a pat on the back?

How does the defense industry get most of their money or do they work for a pat on the back?


Farmers as public employees?  In a public employee union? Productivity would plummet.
 
2013-02-01 02:02:48 PM

MyRandomName: TofuTheAlmighty: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.

You think food stamp recipients don't pay sales tax or payroll taxes (or state income taxes)? Pretty much the only progressive tax nowadays is the federal income tax. Why should my homeownership or health insurance be subsidized by public dollars? Food stamps, Section 8, the aforementioned deductions, preferential treatment of capital gains vs. wages - these are all transfers of wealth from the public coffers to individuals. They are all a form of welfare whether you want to believe it or not.

Capital gains are not preferrential, theyare different realizations on income .

Investments require risk. Working for aset paycheck does not .

Investments are long term gain. If it takes me 10 years of capital risk to make 100k the calculation is on a set sale for all gains. If you want it taxed at normal income you would need to remove all risk and do gains as if taken each year of the investment. For the above it would tax at the rate of 10k.

Stop the simple thinking that capital gains are equal to income. They are completely different vehicles.


I've said for years that capital gains need to be taxed at the two seperate rates, based on how much of that is a percentage of your yearly income.  If all your income is from capital gains, you get taxed 100% at the income tax rate. If 50% of it comes from capital gains, 50% from earned income, then only 50% gets taxed at the income tax rate.  Keeps investment going while all the while ensuring that everyone is paying the same income rated on earned income., regardless of source.
 
2013-02-01 02:02:56 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: Kazrath: sigdiamond2000: Idaho?

I thought food stamps were only used by lazy "urban" welfare queens with plasma Xbox flat screen refrigerator Obama phones?

Thanks, came here to say pretty much the same thing.  There are no welfare recipients in Idaho as those are limited to libby lib states.

In my Derp-Red corner of Oregon ( which is otherwise pretty liberal), something like 15% of the population uses a SNAP card....

/ and the poverty rate is 29.7% (2008)


I'm going to correct myself: the places in Oregon where most of the people live ( Willamette Valley/Portland Metro ) are (fairly) liberal. The rest of the State, especially the far-Eastern and Southern parts, are not...
 
2013-02-01 02:03:03 PM
If I was a grocer I would oppose this proposal.  I can charge higher prices on everything on Foodstamp Day because demand is at its peak.  Anything that reduces that advantage is not in my best interests.
 
2013-02-01 02:05:33 PM

nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.


No, the important thing is that we can see our tax dollars being used so wisely to "help the hungry."
 
2013-02-01 02:06:01 PM

jayphat: You could start by making all junk food not eligible for use on the card. That alone would save you more than you realize.


Junk food is far cheaper than healthy food. You'd be making people go hungry (or more so). Ever wonder why poor people tend to be fat? It's not because the coddling libby libtards are showering the poor with your hard earned cash. It's because all they can afford to eat is processed garbage.

Don't worry though... because of that they'll die a lot quicker from cancer and heart disease. I'm sure that at the very least puts a smile on some of the true 'muricans faces.
 
2013-02-01 02:08:12 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Can't we just do something useful with these welfare recipients, something empowering, something that might provide a little dignity.

Maybe we can start a Freedom Through Work program. The FTW program would require all welfare recipients that are deemed able to work camps that would provide housing, food, and insure that no undo outside interference from banned substance. We could then teach them the value of work through ditch digging, how to cook long pig for hundreds of people in industrial ovens, and  introduce them to cleanliness through gas showers.

Why I bet if we apply this program nation wide this would be the ultimate solution to the welfare problem.


What you did there. I saw it.
 
2013-02-01 02:09:31 PM

here to help: jayphat: You could start by making all junk food not eligible for use on the card. That alone would save you more than you realize.

Junk food is far cheaper than healthy food. You'd be making people go hungry (or more so). Ever wonder why poor people tend to be fat? It's not because the coddling libby libtards are showering the poor with your hard earned cash. It's because all they can afford to eat is processed garbage.

Don't worry though... because of that they'll die a lot quicker from cancer and heart disease. I'm sure that at the very least puts a smile on some of the true 'muricans faces.


i'm not talking processed foods. I'm talking crap like pop and candy. There is ZERO reason why those two items should be on food stamp's accepted list.
 
2013-02-01 02:10:10 PM

Citrate1007: The proposal is to issue benefits over 10 days each month, and print recipient's names on their benefit cards.

Surprised they don't do this already.  MN recently had to pass a law that prohibits the cards from being used out of state.  Too many people on food stamps were using them while on vacation.


Food stamps are 100% federal money; people should be able to spend it anywhere in the U. S.  MN is just trying to amp up its economy and taxes.  Assholes.
 
2013-02-01 02:11:54 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: Millennium: I'd be really surprised to hear that mortgage interest is worth more, monetarily speaking, than food. It is true that demographics have changed such that total housing costs are now, on average, a bigger household expense than food. But the interest alone?

The mortgage interest deductions cost $80B per year, about the same as federal outlays for SNAP. The health insurance deduction is even worse - it cuts about $200B from federal income tax receipts.

"Welfare" as defined by Republicans is a trivial cost compared to all the goodies the top 20% get.



I like it when poor people consider a tax break as an expense. There is no money sent out of those deductions; there is money sent out to entitlement programs. If those deductions go away, how will the tax code be changed to compensate for the effective tax increase on homeowners and people responsible enough to carry their own health insurance.

Do you want to discourage home ownership and private health insurance? What is your goal?

Are you so blinded by your misguided mantras that you can't follow the effects for one or two steps beyond the immediate effect?
 
2013-02-01 02:12:17 PM
BTW... not providing adequate resources to the most vulnerable in society tends to lead to desperate folks being forced into crime if they want to survive... which leads to gangs... which leads to guns... which leads to murders... which leads to gun control.

So there you have it. If you are against increasing welfare rates you are pro gun control.

Stupid libby gun grabbers.
 
2013-02-01 02:13:02 PM

xcv: HeadLever: GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?

So that those that actually feed this nation can make a living.  Do you think that these folks will spend all thier time, effort and money for a pat on the back?

How does the defense industry get most of their money or do they work for a pat on the back?


They get paid by the taxpayers.  Do you really think that this money just magically appears in their checks every two weeks?
 
2013-02-01 02:15:32 PM

HeadLever: xcv: HeadLever: GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?

So that those that actually feed this nation can make a living.  Do you think that these folks will spend all thier time, effort and money for a pat on the back?

How does the defense industry get most of their money or do they work for a pat on the back?

They get paid by the taxpayers.  Do you really think that this money just magically appears in their checks every two weeks?


They also get that money by selling a product. Same way that farmers earn money, by selling a product. Weird isn't it?
 
2013-02-01 02:16:14 PM

Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.


Affordable calories or healthy calories. Chose one.
 
2013-02-01 02:16:24 PM

jayphat: nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.

No, the important thing is that we can see our tax dollars being used so wisely to "help the hungry."


Forgetting the logistics of having to purchase fresh food once a month, lets take a look at how many hungry people you actually feed in the course of a year.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/2011-taxreceipt

I'm guessing it's not nearly as high as you imagine.
 
2013-02-01 02:16:48 PM

nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.


Yes I do.  I went to school to ensure a good career.  I worked my butt off to get a foot in the door and never looked back.  Before I became gainfully employed in this field I worked in shiat jobs.  Everything from hanging Christmas lights to unloading trucks to being a prep cook to being a picker for Hilti.  You're damned right I feel superior to those that chose to not pick a career path that ensures they and their family are well taken care of.
 
2013-02-01 02:20:08 PM

jayphat: i'm not talking processed foods. I'm talking crap like pop and candy. There is ZERO reason why those two items should be on food stamp's accepted list.


Pop is cheaper than juice. Candy is cheaper than fruits and veggies. You get more calories out of both. If you are going to make those types of decisions for folks you need to give them the means to afford the healthier alternatives or make the healthier alternatives more affordable.

Also this has been going on for so long that unfortunately it'll take a lot of effort to break those types of poor eating habits. Someone mentioned more focus on home economics in school. Proper education is yet another evil socialist policy that gets crapped all over. It's almost as if the right is actively hamstringing any and all efforts to actually deal with the poverty problems. They sure do squeak about those filthy poors a lot though.
 
2013-02-01 02:20:42 PM

GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?  It is a basic human right, much more so than health care.


Basic right, basic food.  NUTRALOAF!
 
2013-02-01 02:20:48 PM

Flange!: how will the tax code be changed to compensate for the effective tax increase on homeowners and people responsible enough to carry their own health insurance.


why should we right? if you're "responsible" enough, you should be able to afford it without welfare from society through tax breaks.

Why should tax payers subsidize you owning a home? or having children?

Be responsible, don't take any tax credits, you sponge.
 
2013-02-01 02:23:04 PM

jayphat: HeadLever: xcv: HeadLever: GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?

So that those that actually feed this nation can make a living.  Do you think that these folks will spend all thier time, effort and money for a pat on the back?

How does the defense industry get most of their money or do they work for a pat on the back?

They get paid by the taxpayers.  Do you really think that this money just magically appears in their checks every two weeks?

They also get that money by selling a product. Same way that farmers earn money, by selling a product. Weird isn't it?


Yep, that was my original point.
 
2013-02-01 02:23:15 PM

Smeggy Smurf: nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.

Yes I do.  I went to school to ensure a good career.  I worked my butt off to get a foot in the door and never looked back.  Before I became gainfully employed in this field I worked in shiat jobs.  Everything from hanging Christmas lights to unloading trucks to being a prep cook to being a picker for Hilti.  You're damned right I feel superior to those that chose to not pick a career path that ensures they and their family are well taken care of.


Yeah, good thing you aren't like any of those lazy welfare rats, sitting around doing nothing all day. By the way, do you get paid to Fark? Or is that just an example of how efficient you are in your awesome life?
 
2013-02-01 02:23:44 PM

here to help: jayphat: i'm not talking processed foods. I'm talking crap like pop and candy. There is ZERO reason why those two items should be on food stamp's accepted list.

Pop is cheaper than juice. Candy is cheaper than fruits and veggies. You get more calories out of both. If you are going to make those types of decisions for folks you need to give them the means to afford the healthier alternatives or make the healthier alternatives more affordable.

Also this has been going on for so long that unfortunately it'll take a lot of effort to break those types of poor eating habits. Someone mentioned more focus on home economics in school. Proper education is yet another evil socialist policy that gets crapped all over. It's almost as if the right is actively hamstringing any and all efforts to actually deal with the poverty problems. They sure do squeak about those filthy poors a lot though.


Bullshiat. You go work retail for a month where these items are sold. These people aren't buying them because it's all they know how to eat. They're buying them because they aren't paying for it (It's FREE!).  They have money to pay for other things, they just choose these because they approved.  It has zero to do with caloric intake and more a lack of responsibility.
 
2013-02-01 02:26:31 PM

jayphat: ""I would like to use this money to educate people on how they can use their food stamps more efficiently and stretch them over the month. "

You could start by making all junk food not eligible for use on the card.  That alone would save you more than you realize.


 Imagine the uproar over which foods would be labeled "junk" by the government!  Makes the derp over "assault weapon" seem cute..
 
2013-02-01 02:27:04 PM

Matthew Keene: Most people in this country do not have the knowledge to cook from scratch and make wise food choices. When you see a cart full of frozen entrees, canned chili, chips and pop, that's usually a person that would not know what to do with a five pound bag of pinto beans and a hamhock. We can pontificate all we want on the fact that they shouldn't be buying this crap, but without some education when they are young, like required home economics for both sexes, This will just continue to get worse. I've seen two year olds where I work eating from a bag of cheese puffs with a bottle full of cola. And don't get me started on the two ton Tillys. It's mostly driven by lack of knowledge.


Wow. I had no idea that was a thing, now I'm dying a little inside.
 
2013-02-01 02:27:40 PM

BarkingUnicorn: If I was a grocer I would oppose this proposal.  I can charge higher prices on everything on Foodstamp Day because demand is at its peak.  Anything that reduces that advantage is not in my best interests.


How about if we eliminate food stamps and instead award your business an exclusive government contract worth the value of all food stamp spending in your area to distribute food to the poor with your profit margin being tied to the amount of campaign contributions you make to your legislators?
 
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