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(KTVB Boise)   Idaho considering changing Welfare Day to Welfare Week   (ktvb.com) divider line 158
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-01 09:33:16 AM  
Switch to weekly electronic transfers instead of monthly.
 
2013-02-01 09:41:14 AM  
Idaho?

I thought food stamps were only used by lazy "urban" welfare queens with plasma Xbox flat screen refrigerator Obama phones?
 
2013-02-01 11:37:36 AM  
The proposal is to issue benefits over 10 days each month, and print recipient's names on their benefit cards.

Surprised they don't do this already.  MN recently had to pass a law that prohibits the cards from being used out of state.  Too many people on food stamps were using them while on vacation.
 
2013-02-01 11:39:00 AM  
Seems like a good idea. Decreases the temptation to over-spend on the first day of the month, and people still get their food stamps when they need them.
 
2013-02-01 11:41:21 AM  
"I am close to empty when I get to the first of the month," said food stamp recipent Jessica Carver.


Wow, she can make it a whole month without running out of cigarettes.

/also, recipent
 
2013-02-01 11:42:24 AM  
I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.
 
2013-02-01 11:42:29 AM  
But what about those that sell for one lump cash sum at the begining of the month? Wont someone think about them????
 
2013-02-01 11:44:26 AM  
Dammit! this is money that could be going to wall street bankers! Priorities america, the rich need their fair share.
 
2013-02-01 11:44:33 AM  
Since this is not the politics tab, remember to be nice in this thread.

In general the increase in food stamps does not mean that there is something wrong with the recipients, it means that there is something horribly wrong with this country.
 
2013-02-01 11:44:46 AM  
Is subby pissed that he only appreciates his health insurance and mortgage interest deductions once or twice a year? Those are worth way more than food stamps, you mooching piece of shiat.
 
2013-02-01 11:47:21 AM  
I make sure to avoid food shopping on Welfare Weekend. There is nothing worse than getting stuck in an aisle behind Sweaty Betty's Hoveround  while one of her brood pushes a cart filled with processed foods.
 
2013-02-01 11:48:02 AM  
Meh, if they change it up that'll just be several more days that I will have to remember to avoid walmart.
 
2013-02-01 11:49:21 AM  

TheJenny666: But what about those that sell for one lump cash sum at the begining of the month? Wont someone think about them????


You mean outside of the meth dealers
 
2013-02-01 11:49:42 AM  
Uh... why exactly would it cost a million bucks to do this? Aren't these just done electronically? But yeah... once a month checks are brutal especially for folks who aren't exactly known to be good with money. First of the month send them their rent money and half their living allowance/food allowance. Then send the other half mid month... but leave the option open for for those who'd rather continue using the current method.
 
2013-02-01 11:49:49 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Is subby pissed that he only appreciates his health insurance and mortgage interest deductions once or twice a year? Those are worth way more than food stamps, you mooching piece of shiat.


Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.
 
2013-02-01 11:50:44 AM  

ZAZ: Switch to weekly electronic transfers instead of monthly.


This. You'd only need half as many transfer days as the current proposal -less than half, actually- and you wouldn't overload the retailers (or recipients) nearly as much since you'd be spreading things out over the whole month. Why did no one consider this?
 
2013-02-01 11:51:36 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.


You should change your handle to 'Bigot Smurf'.
 
2013-02-01 11:52:52 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.


I know people who take all sorts of tax credits and end up getting thousands more back thn they paid in. Those same people then turn around and complain about the poor getting a couple hundred dollars to buy food.

If someone gets back more than they paid in, how is it not welfare?

/not subby or tofu alt.
 
2013-02-01 11:53:22 AM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: TofuTheAlmighty: Is subby pissed that he only appreciates his health insurance and mortgage interest deductions once or twice a year? Those are worth way more than food stamps, you mooching piece of shiat.

Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.


Don't try to understand the derping of the willfully stupid.  They rejected 12 or more years of education in favor of emotion.
 
xcv
2013-02-01 11:53:52 AM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: Dammit! this is money that could be going to wall street bankers! Priorities america, the rich need their fair share.


JP Morgan has the contract for running NY's EBT card program.
 
2013-02-01 11:54:50 AM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Is subby pissed that he only appreciates his health insurance and mortgage interest deductions once or twice a year? Those are worth way more than food stamps, you mooching piece of shiat.


I'd be really surprised to hear that mortgage interest is worth more, monetarily speaking, than food. It is true that demographics have changed such that total housing costs are now, on average, a bigger household expense than food. But the interest alone?
 
2013-02-01 11:57:56 AM  
FTA : "I would like to use this money to educate people on how they can use their food stamps more efficiently and stretch them over the month. They do not have to be used on the first of the month. They can be used throughout the month," said Senator Pattie Anne Lodge, R-Huston.

I'd imagine that the guy the recipient sells the card to for 50 cents on the dollar is well aware of that fact.
 
2013-02-01 11:58:17 AM  

Millennium: Why did no one consider this?


Because rich white guys who go into politics as a career have no fuggin' common sense or experience with anything other than pandering just enough to stay in office and screwing over the competition. Real life problems make no sense to them... that's why all their "solutions" suck balls.
 
2013-02-01 11:59:00 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Idaho?

I thought food stamps were only used by lazy "urban" welfare queens with plasma Xbox flat screen refrigerator Obama phones?


Thanks, came here to say pretty much the same thing.  There are no welfare recipients in Idaho as those are limited to libby lib states.
 
2013-02-01 12:01:50 PM  

here to help: Millennium: Why did no one consider this?

Because rich white guys who go into politics as a career have no fuggin' common sense or experience with anything other than pandering just enough to stay in office and screwing over the competition. Real life problems make no sense to them... that's why all their "solutions" suck balls.


Accepting your caricature for the sake of argument, I'd think they would at least have noticed that they'd only have to be open for half as many days under the per-week plan as the 10-day plan, which should save a significant amount of money in the long run. That should have gotten their attention.
 
2013-02-01 12:05:30 PM  

Millennium: Accepting your caricature for the sake of argument, I'd think they would at least have noticed that they'd only have to be open for half as many days under the per-week plan as the 10-day plan, which should save a significant amount of money in the long run. That should have gotten their attention.


They don't explain WHY it'll cost an extra million bucks to implement their current plan so one can only assume they're more interested in some more cheddar or they are completely incompetent. Don't try to figure out their thought process. It will only infuriate/confuse you. Just accept that the majority of them are half witted scumbags.
 
2013-02-01 12:10:42 PM  
Make it the full disbursement over the first 10 days of the month, based on the last digit of your social security number.

It's what Oregon does, and yes, you'll have to adjust to the change and it will probably suck the first few months for both recipients and businesses (despite businesses driving the change).

Long term it will make things easier on all shoppers and the businesses.

Disbursing it all on one day is just dumb.  Why did they change it to all in one day in the first place?

//Former food stamp recipient, now making enough to gladly pay my taxes to help fund such a successful and valuable program.
 
2013-02-01 12:14:37 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.


You think food stamp recipients don't pay sales tax or payroll taxes (or state income taxes)? Pretty much the only progressive tax nowadays is the federal income tax. Why should my homeownership or health insurance be subsidized by public dollars? Food stamps, Section 8, the aforementioned deductions, preferential treatment of capital gains vs. wages - these are all transfers of wealth from the public coffers to individuals. They are all a form of welfare whether you want to believe it or not.
 
2013-02-01 12:16:14 PM  

here to help: Millennium: Accepting your caricature for the sake of argument, I'd think they would at least have noticed that they'd only have to be open for half as many days under the per-week plan as the 10-day plan, which should save a significant amount of money in the long run. That should have gotten their attention.

They don't explain WHY it'll cost an extra million bucks to implement their current plan so one can only assume they're more interested in some more cheddar or they are completely incompetent. Don't try to figure out their thought process. It will only infuriate/confuse you. Just accept that the majority of them are half witted scumbags.


I am not prepared to deny that my opposition thinks. That form of dehumanization is Not OK.
 
2013-02-01 12:19:04 PM  
The problem with spreading it over the course of a month is that it will increase costs to the recipients. Now they have to spend a couple hours of travel time and shopping 4 times a month rather than once a month not to mention gas/bus costs. If you don't live just down the street from a grocery store then you will be more likely to spend it at the local mart which is twice the price.
 
2013-02-01 12:19:52 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.


Neigh!!" said Claire the Welfare Mare.
 
2013-02-01 12:24:00 PM  

Millennium: I'd be really surprised to hear that mortgage interest is worth more, monetarily speaking, than food. It is true that demographics have changed such that total housing costs are now, on average, a bigger household expense than food. But the interest alone?


The mortgage interest deductions cost $80B per year, about the same as federal outlays for SNAP. The health insurance deduction is even worse - it cuts about $200B from federal income tax receipts.

"Welfare" as defined by Republicans is a trivial cost compared to all the goodies the top 20% get.
 
2013-02-01 12:26:08 PM  

nmemkha: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

You should change your handle to 'Bigot Smurf'.


Aw. Look who's an artsy type who buys locally-sourced artisan cheese with her food stamps.
 
2013-02-01 12:31:59 PM  
Not that big a deal. Washington state has a system like this. It just means I have to wait until the 5th instead of the 1st to get my $200.
 
2013-02-01 12:32:24 PM  
On my drive home from work a Burger King has a huge sign "E.B.T. accepted".
California, what next?
 
2013-02-01 12:34:09 PM  
Millenium: "Why did no one consider this?"

Same reason they never considered just spreading out the single monthly distribution so not *everyone* got their money on the same day.

Because politics isn't about practical solutions. It's about tribal identity.
And if you can get an electoral boost out of reminding voters about 'those people' who are on food stamps, it helps if you're still creating those anecdotes to reinforce that tribal identity.
 
2013-02-01 12:38:21 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.

You think food stamp recipients don't pay sales tax or payroll taxes (or state income taxes)? Pretty much the only progressive tax nowadays is the federal income tax. Why should my homeownership or health insurance be subsidized by public dollars? Food stamps, Section 8, the aforementioned deductions, preferential treatment of capital gains vs. wages - these are all transfers of wealth from the public coffers to individuals. They are all a form of welfare whether you want to believe it or not.


This. I think most of the people on food stamps, but no other assistance, work and pay taxes. The income cap is set based on income, living expenses, and family size. The closer you are to that cap, the less you get.
 
2013-02-01 12:38:22 PM  
I read a different article about this yesterday, what they're proposing is changing it so not everybody gets their card recharged on the first. Instead, they'll do it by last name or last digits of your social or some combination of that so not everyone is hitting the store on the first.  What they're not proposing is giving a weekly amount instead of monthly.

Honestly, it makes more sense to stagger it out so it doesn't hit the retailers as hard with everyone emptying the shelves over the course of a couple of days.
 
2013-02-01 12:44:27 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Is subby pissed that he only appreciates his health insurance and mortgage interest deductions once or twice a year? Those are worth way more than food stamps, you mooching piece of shiat.


Typical mortgage interest deduction worth $1k-$2k a year? I bet food stamps add up to more than mortgage interest deductions.
 
2013-02-01 12:46:10 PM  
I know a great way to get money throughout the month. It's called "Getting a job and receiving a paycheck". I received a deposit in my account today, and I'll be expecting one in another two weeks. It's an amazing concept.
 
2013-02-01 12:48:46 PM  

another cultural observer: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

Neigh!!" said Claire the Welfare Mare.


I'm waiting for the equally ignorant follow up of "People using WIC checks to buy cigarettes and beer" statement.

Setting aside the idea that junk food translates to a cart full of chips and soda for a sec, consider the calorie to dollar ratio of chips and soda vs a lb of ground turkey and a bag of frozen tilapia, then see how long you can store it. Yeah there are a lot of fatasses who lounge around on the couch watching Maury and shoving pringles down their cavernous gullets but they don't all pay for that shiat with food stamps. I guess the ones who pay by cash or charge are playing WOW instead of watching daytime TV though.

Hell, do you have any idea how expensive it is to get fresh fruits and vegetables? Beans and rice are cheap but having lived on that and pasta for a year while in survival mode with a kid who had a dairy allergy, it's not that cheap even when you're right next to a farmers market.
 
2013-02-01 12:55:21 PM  

DubyaHater: I know a great way to get money throughout the month. It's called "Getting a job and receiving a paycheck". I received a deposit in my account today, and I'll be expecting one in another two weeks. It's an amazing concept.


When I was on food stamps, I had a job.

A job with a Fortune 500.

That job paid $11.50/hr with the constant threat of it being eliminated and sent to India, while the CEO raked in millions and he, like hundreds of other CEOs keep their employees wages as low as possible knowing the government will step in and help out his lower echelon employees with food stamps, the Earned Income Tax Credit, the Child Tax Credit, and other programs.

Walmart is a worse offender, and their low wages cost us billions in expenditures as the government steps into support those people and families that can barely make ends meet.  And then Walmart gets a good chunk of the money they pay employees back, as they are often the cheapest around, and their employees often shop there for food and other stuff.  Hell, Walmart is one of the biggest benefactors of food stamps.
 
2013-02-01 12:56:59 PM  

DubyaHater: I know a great way to get money throughout the month. It's called "Getting a job and receiving a paycheck". I received a deposit in my account today, and I'll be expecting one in another two weeks. It's an amazing concept.


Lookit' you being all smarmy and bootstrappy. How about the cripples and the folks who got screwed out of a job by the corporate mucky mucks or the folks who ARE working but still need assistance because minimum wage doesn't even come close to covering the cost of living?

I know, I know... they should just try harder... right?
 
2013-02-01 12:57:30 PM  

DubyaHater: I know a great way to get money throughout the month. It's called "Getting a job and receiving a paycheck". I received a deposit in my account today, and I'll be expecting one in another two weeks. It's an amazing concept.


Racist bigot homophobe warmongering capitalist pig

/did I miss any?
 
2013-02-01 01:07:26 PM  
Wouldn't it be easier to just send packages of these and eliminate  the middle man?
sweetbay.gsnrecipes.com

cdn1.bigcommerce.com

♫It's da first of da month....♪
 
2013-02-01 01:08:08 PM  

rev. dave: Since this is not the politics tab, remember to be nice in this thread.

In general the increase in food stamps does not mean that there is something wrong with the recipients, it means that there is something horribly wrong with this country.


yeah, worse residents.
 
2013-02-01 01:11:59 PM  
If everybody was getting enough money to buy food for the whole month there wouldn't be a run on the store on the day the benefit was issued.
 
2013-02-01 01:17:15 PM  

LemSkroob: rev. dave: Since this is not the politics tab, remember to be nice in this thread.

In general the increase in food stamps does not mean that there is something wrong with the recipients, it means that there is something horribly wrong with this country.

yeah, worse residents.


Sure, if you define the quality of a person by how much money they have there are a LOT more "worse" residents. Now I wonder who's fault that would be... hmm... seems to have spiked in and around 2008. What was going on in the years leading up to that... hmm... it's on the tip of my tongue but man that was so long ago I forget. Bah! Let's just blame 0blammo and all those darkies. It's much easier than all this remembering and thinking.
 
2013-02-01 01:20:28 PM  
Most people in this country do not have the knowledge to cook from scratch and make wise food choices. When you see a cart full of frozen entrees, canned chili, chips and pop, that's usually a person that would not know what to do with a five pound bag of pinto beans and a hamhock. We can pontificate all we want on the fact that they shouldn't be buying this crap, but without some education when they are young, like required home economics for both sexes, This will just continue to get worse. I've seen two year olds where I work eating from a bag of cheese puffs with a bottle full of cola. And don't get me started on the two ton Tillys. It's mostly driven by lack of knowledge.
 
2013-02-01 01:20:51 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.


To be fair if you buy all your food at the start of the month it's not like you should buy a bunch of food that's going to rot in two weeks.   Boxed food tends to have a longer shelf life than a banana.
 
2013-02-01 01:24:50 PM  
Kentucky has the system where the distribution goes by the last digit of your social security number,it must suck to have your last digit be a 9. Also hurray another thread where a bunch of bastards decide that poor people are evil blights upon society and only if they could pull their bootstraps up more they could not be scum.
 
2013-02-01 01:27:05 PM  
Haha, you da ho
 
2013-02-01 01:32:19 PM  

Whatthefark: There is nothing worse than getting stuck in an aisle behind Sweaty Betty's Hoveround while one of her brood pushes a cart filled with processed foods.


Then you should be too busy counting your blessings to notice this trivial once-a-month inconvenience.
 
2013-02-01 01:34:50 PM  

Matthew Keene: a person that would not know what to do with a five pound bag of pinto beans and a hamhock.


Well I know I would throw them away, because I don't care for soup or whatever you would intend to make with that.  Ham: Least delicious of the meats.  Beans: Also for the most part not delicious.
 
2013-02-01 01:37:36 PM  
Is this the thread where we complain about how craptastically awful the above sponsored link with no comment section is?
 
2013-02-01 01:39:15 PM  
Can't we just do something useful with these welfare recipients, something empowering, something that might provide a little dignity.

Maybe we can start a Freedom Through Work program. The FTW program would require all welfare recipients that are deemed able to work camps that would provide housing, food, and insure that no undo outside interference from banned substance. We could then teach them the value of work through ditch digging, how to cook long pig for hundreds of people in industrial ovens, and  introduce them to cleanliness through gas showers.

Why I bet if we apply this program nation wide this would be the ultimate solution to the welfare problem.
 
2013-02-01 01:39:26 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Whatthefark: There is nothing worse than getting stuck in an aisle behind Sweaty Betty's Hoveround while one of her brood pushes a cart filled with processed foods.

Then you should be too busy counting your blessings to notice this trivial once-a-month inconvenience.


If they started buying real food, they'd linger in the stores longer....so maybe we should be OK with the current situation.

Actually preparing a meal requires work.  You could give them reading lessons, a cookbook, and a full kitchen, and they'd look at you blankly and maybe sell the silverware for walking around money, and heat up some off-brand hot pockets.
 
2013-02-01 01:40:33 PM  
Oregon has been doing this for years. The day your SNAP benefits are available on the Oregon Trail card are based on the last digit of your Social Security number.
 
2013-02-01 01:42:51 PM  

here to help: Uh... why exactly would it cost a million bucks to do this? Aren't these just done electronically? But yeah... once a month checks are brutal especially for folks who aren't exactly known to be good with money. First of the month send them their rent money and half their living allowance/food allowance. Then send the other half mid month... but leave the option open for for those who'd rather continue using the current method.


Your plan would cost the State more, both to implement and ongoing.
 
2013-02-01 01:43:19 PM  
I da ho?
 
2013-02-01 01:43:24 PM  

Rivetman1.0: On my drive home from work a Burger King has a huge sign "E.B.T. accepted".
California, what next?


EBT cards can have both cash benefits and food stamp benefits on them.
 
2013-02-01 01:43:58 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: Dammit! this is money that could be going to wall street bankers! Priorities america, the rich need their fair share.


Who do you think is going to get the money spent to make this change?
 
2013-02-01 01:45:59 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.


name brand errthang too
 
2013-02-01 01:46:45 PM  
Why should food cost money at all?  It is a basic human right, much more so than health care.
 
2013-02-01 01:47:35 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Your plan would cost the State more, both to implement and ongoing.


Well thanks for providing details as to why.

It's mostly done electronically these days. The only reason any major cost increases would occur is because some greedy f*cks are overcharging the system. Don't let them do that.
 
2013-02-01 01:47:56 PM  

Fluid: Seems like a good idea. Decreases the temptation to over-spend on the first day of the month, and people still get their food stamps when they need them.


I don't think it's possible to overspend a foodstamp allowance.  And you don't seem to understand the proposal; recipients would still get foodstamps only once a month, just on a different day.

The concern is, "OMG! They're gonna make me go without food for X days one time!"  That will be addressed by giving extra benefits in one payment and moving the next payment date.
 
2013-02-01 01:48:39 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.


I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.
 
2013-02-01 01:48:46 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: TofuTheAlmighty: Is subby pissed that he only appreciates his health insurance and mortgage interest deductions once or twice a year? Those are worth way more than food stamps, you mooching piece of shiat.

Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.


The humorless are often confused.
 
2013-02-01 01:51:56 PM  

GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?


So that those that actually feed this nation can make a living.  Do you think that these folks will spend all thier time, effort and money for a pat on the back?
 
2013-02-01 01:52:22 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.

You think food stamp recipients don't pay sales tax or payroll taxes (or state income taxes)? Pretty much the only progressive tax nowadays is the federal income tax. Why should my homeownership or health insurance be subsidized by public dollars? Food stamps, Section 8, the aforementioned deductions, preferential treatment of capital gains vs. wages - these are all transfers of wealth from the public coffers to individuals. They are all a form of welfare whether you want to believe it or not.


Capital gains are not preferrential, theyare different realizations on income .

Investments require risk. Working for aset paycheck does not .

Investments are long term gain. If it takes me 10 years of capital risk to make 100k the calculation is on a set sale for all gains. If you want it taxed at normal income you would need to remove all risk and do gains as if taken each year of the investment. For the above it would tax at the rate of 10k.

Stop the simple thinking that capital gains are equal to income. They are completely different vehicles.
 
2013-02-01 01:54:13 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Food stamps, Section 8, the aforementioned deductions, preferential treatment of capital gains vs. wages - these are all transfers of wealth from the public coffers to individuals


How do you transfer something out of the public coffers that was never in them to begin with, as would be the case with (for example) deductions?
 
xcv
2013-02-01 01:56:42 PM  

HeadLever: GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?

So that those that actually feed this nation can make a living.  Do you think that these folks will spend all thier time, effort and money for a pat on the back?


How does the defense industry get most of their money or do they work for a pat on the back?
 
2013-02-01 01:57:50 PM  

Kazrath: sigdiamond2000: Idaho?

I thought food stamps were only used by lazy "urban" welfare queens with plasma Xbox flat screen refrigerator Obama phones?

Thanks, came here to say pretty much the same thing.  There are no welfare recipients in Idaho as those are limited to libby lib states.


In my Derp-Red corner of Oregon ( which is otherwise pretty liberal), something like 15% of the population uses a SNAP card....

/ and the poverty rate is 29.7% (2008)
 
2013-02-01 01:58:51 PM  

DubyaHater: I know a great way to get money throughout the month. It's called "Getting a job and receiving a paycheck". I received a deposit in my account today, and I'll be expecting one in another two weeks. It's an amazing concept.


You hiring?
 
2013-02-01 01:58:51 PM  
""I would like to use this money to educate people on how they can use their food stamps more efficiently and stretch them over the month. "

You could start by making all junk food not eligible for use on the card.  That alone would save you more than you realize.
 
2013-02-01 02:02:32 PM  

xcv: HeadLever: GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?

So that those that actually feed this nation can make a living.  Do you think that these folks will spend all thier time, effort and money for a pat on the back?

How does the defense industry get most of their money or do they work for a pat on the back?


Farmers as public employees?  In a public employee union? Productivity would plummet.
 
2013-02-01 02:02:48 PM  

MyRandomName: TofuTheAlmighty: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.

You think food stamp recipients don't pay sales tax or payroll taxes (or state income taxes)? Pretty much the only progressive tax nowadays is the federal income tax. Why should my homeownership or health insurance be subsidized by public dollars? Food stamps, Section 8, the aforementioned deductions, preferential treatment of capital gains vs. wages - these are all transfers of wealth from the public coffers to individuals. They are all a form of welfare whether you want to believe it or not.

Capital gains are not preferrential, theyare different realizations on income .

Investments require risk. Working for aset paycheck does not .

Investments are long term gain. If it takes me 10 years of capital risk to make 100k the calculation is on a set sale for all gains. If you want it taxed at normal income you would need to remove all risk and do gains as if taken each year of the investment. For the above it would tax at the rate of 10k.

Stop the simple thinking that capital gains are equal to income. They are completely different vehicles.


I've said for years that capital gains need to be taxed at the two seperate rates, based on how much of that is a percentage of your yearly income.  If all your income is from capital gains, you get taxed 100% at the income tax rate. If 50% of it comes from capital gains, 50% from earned income, then only 50% gets taxed at the income tax rate.  Keeps investment going while all the while ensuring that everyone is paying the same income rated on earned income., regardless of source.
 
2013-02-01 02:02:56 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: Kazrath: sigdiamond2000: Idaho?

I thought food stamps were only used by lazy "urban" welfare queens with plasma Xbox flat screen refrigerator Obama phones?

Thanks, came here to say pretty much the same thing.  There are no welfare recipients in Idaho as those are limited to libby lib states.

In my Derp-Red corner of Oregon ( which is otherwise pretty liberal), something like 15% of the population uses a SNAP card....

/ and the poverty rate is 29.7% (2008)


I'm going to correct myself: the places in Oregon where most of the people live ( Willamette Valley/Portland Metro ) are (fairly) liberal. The rest of the State, especially the far-Eastern and Southern parts, are not...
 
2013-02-01 02:03:03 PM  
If I was a grocer I would oppose this proposal.  I can charge higher prices on everything on Foodstamp Day because demand is at its peak.  Anything that reduces that advantage is not in my best interests.
 
2013-02-01 02:05:33 PM  

nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.


No, the important thing is that we can see our tax dollars being used so wisely to "help the hungry."
 
2013-02-01 02:06:01 PM  

jayphat: You could start by making all junk food not eligible for use on the card. That alone would save you more than you realize.


Junk food is far cheaper than healthy food. You'd be making people go hungry (or more so). Ever wonder why poor people tend to be fat? It's not because the coddling libby libtards are showering the poor with your hard earned cash. It's because all they can afford to eat is processed garbage.

Don't worry though... because of that they'll die a lot quicker from cancer and heart disease. I'm sure that at the very least puts a smile on some of the true 'muricans faces.
 
2013-02-01 02:08:12 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Can't we just do something useful with these welfare recipients, something empowering, something that might provide a little dignity.

Maybe we can start a Freedom Through Work program. The FTW program would require all welfare recipients that are deemed able to work camps that would provide housing, food, and insure that no undo outside interference from banned substance. We could then teach them the value of work through ditch digging, how to cook long pig for hundreds of people in industrial ovens, and  introduce them to cleanliness through gas showers.

Why I bet if we apply this program nation wide this would be the ultimate solution to the welfare problem.


What you did there. I saw it.
 
2013-02-01 02:09:31 PM  

here to help: jayphat: You could start by making all junk food not eligible for use on the card. That alone would save you more than you realize.

Junk food is far cheaper than healthy food. You'd be making people go hungry (or more so). Ever wonder why poor people tend to be fat? It's not because the coddling libby libtards are showering the poor with your hard earned cash. It's because all they can afford to eat is processed garbage.

Don't worry though... because of that they'll die a lot quicker from cancer and heart disease. I'm sure that at the very least puts a smile on some of the true 'muricans faces.


i'm not talking processed foods. I'm talking crap like pop and candy. There is ZERO reason why those two items should be on food stamp's accepted list.
 
2013-02-01 02:10:10 PM  

Citrate1007: The proposal is to issue benefits over 10 days each month, and print recipient's names on their benefit cards.

Surprised they don't do this already.  MN recently had to pass a law that prohibits the cards from being used out of state.  Too many people on food stamps were using them while on vacation.


Food stamps are 100% federal money; people should be able to spend it anywhere in the U. S.  MN is just trying to amp up its economy and taxes.  Assholes.
 
2013-02-01 02:11:54 PM  

TofuTheAlmighty: Millennium: I'd be really surprised to hear that mortgage interest is worth more, monetarily speaking, than food. It is true that demographics have changed such that total housing costs are now, on average, a bigger household expense than food. But the interest alone?

The mortgage interest deductions cost $80B per year, about the same as federal outlays for SNAP. The health insurance deduction is even worse - it cuts about $200B from federal income tax receipts.

"Welfare" as defined by Republicans is a trivial cost compared to all the goodies the top 20% get.



I like it when poor people consider a tax break as an expense. There is no money sent out of those deductions; there is money sent out to entitlement programs. If those deductions go away, how will the tax code be changed to compensate for the effective tax increase on homeowners and people responsible enough to carry their own health insurance.

Do you want to discourage home ownership and private health insurance? What is your goal?

Are you so blinded by your misguided mantras that you can't follow the effects for one or two steps beyond the immediate effect?
 
2013-02-01 02:12:17 PM  
BTW... not providing adequate resources to the most vulnerable in society tends to lead to desperate folks being forced into crime if they want to survive... which leads to gangs... which leads to guns... which leads to murders... which leads to gun control.

So there you have it. If you are against increasing welfare rates you are pro gun control.

Stupid libby gun grabbers.
 
2013-02-01 02:13:02 PM  

xcv: HeadLever: GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?

So that those that actually feed this nation can make a living.  Do you think that these folks will spend all thier time, effort and money for a pat on the back?

How does the defense industry get most of their money or do they work for a pat on the back?


They get paid by the taxpayers.  Do you really think that this money just magically appears in their checks every two weeks?
 
2013-02-01 02:15:32 PM  

HeadLever: xcv: HeadLever: GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?

So that those that actually feed this nation can make a living.  Do you think that these folks will spend all thier time, effort and money for a pat on the back?

How does the defense industry get most of their money or do they work for a pat on the back?

They get paid by the taxpayers.  Do you really think that this money just magically appears in their checks every two weeks?


They also get that money by selling a product. Same way that farmers earn money, by selling a product. Weird isn't it?
 
2013-02-01 02:16:14 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.


Affordable calories or healthy calories. Chose one.
 
2013-02-01 02:16:24 PM  

jayphat: nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.

No, the important thing is that we can see our tax dollars being used so wisely to "help the hungry."


Forgetting the logistics of having to purchase fresh food once a month, lets take a look at how many hungry people you actually feed in the course of a year.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/2011-taxreceipt

I'm guessing it's not nearly as high as you imagine.
 
2013-02-01 02:16:48 PM  

nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.


Yes I do.  I went to school to ensure a good career.  I worked my butt off to get a foot in the door and never looked back.  Before I became gainfully employed in this field I worked in shiat jobs.  Everything from hanging Christmas lights to unloading trucks to being a prep cook to being a picker for Hilti.  You're damned right I feel superior to those that chose to not pick a career path that ensures they and their family are well taken care of.
 
2013-02-01 02:20:08 PM  

jayphat: i'm not talking processed foods. I'm talking crap like pop and candy. There is ZERO reason why those two items should be on food stamp's accepted list.


Pop is cheaper than juice. Candy is cheaper than fruits and veggies. You get more calories out of both. If you are going to make those types of decisions for folks you need to give them the means to afford the healthier alternatives or make the healthier alternatives more affordable.

Also this has been going on for so long that unfortunately it'll take a lot of effort to break those types of poor eating habits. Someone mentioned more focus on home economics in school. Proper education is yet another evil socialist policy that gets crapped all over. It's almost as if the right is actively hamstringing any and all efforts to actually deal with the poverty problems. They sure do squeak about those filthy poors a lot though.
 
2013-02-01 02:20:42 PM  

GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?  It is a basic human right, much more so than health care.


Basic right, basic food.  NUTRALOAF!
 
2013-02-01 02:20:48 PM  

Flange!: how will the tax code be changed to compensate for the effective tax increase on homeowners and people responsible enough to carry their own health insurance.


why should we right? if you're "responsible" enough, you should be able to afford it without welfare from society through tax breaks.

Why should tax payers subsidize you owning a home? or having children?

Be responsible, don't take any tax credits, you sponge.
 
2013-02-01 02:23:04 PM  

jayphat: HeadLever: xcv: HeadLever: GORDON: Why should food cost money at all?

So that those that actually feed this nation can make a living.  Do you think that these folks will spend all thier time, effort and money for a pat on the back?

How does the defense industry get most of their money or do they work for a pat on the back?

They get paid by the taxpayers.  Do you really think that this money just magically appears in their checks every two weeks?

They also get that money by selling a product. Same way that farmers earn money, by selling a product. Weird isn't it?


Yep, that was my original point.
 
2013-02-01 02:23:15 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.

Yes I do.  I went to school to ensure a good career.  I worked my butt off to get a foot in the door and never looked back.  Before I became gainfully employed in this field I worked in shiat jobs.  Everything from hanging Christmas lights to unloading trucks to being a prep cook to being a picker for Hilti.  You're damned right I feel superior to those that chose to not pick a career path that ensures they and their family are well taken care of.


Yeah, good thing you aren't like any of those lazy welfare rats, sitting around doing nothing all day. By the way, do you get paid to Fark? Or is that just an example of how efficient you are in your awesome life?
 
2013-02-01 02:23:44 PM  

here to help: jayphat: i'm not talking processed foods. I'm talking crap like pop and candy. There is ZERO reason why those two items should be on food stamp's accepted list.

Pop is cheaper than juice. Candy is cheaper than fruits and veggies. You get more calories out of both. If you are going to make those types of decisions for folks you need to give them the means to afford the healthier alternatives or make the healthier alternatives more affordable.

Also this has been going on for so long that unfortunately it'll take a lot of effort to break those types of poor eating habits. Someone mentioned more focus on home economics in school. Proper education is yet another evil socialist policy that gets crapped all over. It's almost as if the right is actively hamstringing any and all efforts to actually deal with the poverty problems. They sure do squeak about those filthy poors a lot though.


Bullshiat. You go work retail for a month where these items are sold. These people aren't buying them because it's all they know how to eat. They're buying them because they aren't paying for it (It's FREE!).  They have money to pay for other things, they just choose these because they approved.  It has zero to do with caloric intake and more a lack of responsibility.
 
2013-02-01 02:26:31 PM  

jayphat: ""I would like to use this money to educate people on how they can use their food stamps more efficiently and stretch them over the month. "

You could start by making all junk food not eligible for use on the card.  That alone would save you more than you realize.


 Imagine the uproar over which foods would be labeled "junk" by the government!  Makes the derp over "assault weapon" seem cute..
 
2013-02-01 02:27:04 PM  

Matthew Keene: Most people in this country do not have the knowledge to cook from scratch and make wise food choices. When you see a cart full of frozen entrees, canned chili, chips and pop, that's usually a person that would not know what to do with a five pound bag of pinto beans and a hamhock. We can pontificate all we want on the fact that they shouldn't be buying this crap, but without some education when they are young, like required home economics for both sexes, This will just continue to get worse. I've seen two year olds where I work eating from a bag of cheese puffs with a bottle full of cola. And don't get me started on the two ton Tillys. It's mostly driven by lack of knowledge.


Wow. I had no idea that was a thing, now I'm dying a little inside.
 
2013-02-01 02:27:40 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: If I was a grocer I would oppose this proposal.  I can charge higher prices on everything on Foodstamp Day because demand is at its peak.  Anything that reduces that advantage is not in my best interests.


How about if we eliminate food stamps and instead award your business an exclusive government contract worth the value of all food stamp spending in your area to distribute food to the poor with your profit margin being tied to the amount of campaign contributions you make to your legislators?
 
2013-02-01 02:28:04 PM  

jayphat: They have money to pay for other things, they just choose these because they approved.  It has zero to do with caloric intake and more a lack of responsibility.


damn straight! This tax payer money needs to go to responsible people who can use it to do things like remodel their kitchen and buy a new car and take vacations in the Hamptons.

Poor people buying themselves....candy! The outrage is unbearable.
 
2013-02-01 02:29:28 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: jayphat: They have money to pay for other things, they just choose these because they approved.  It has zero to do with caloric intake and more a lack of responsibility.

damn straight! This tax payer money needs to go to responsible people who can use it to do things like remodel their kitchen and buy a new car and take vacations in the Hamptons.

Poor people buying themselves....candy! The outrage is unbearable.


*sigh* you missed everything I just said. Congratulations on bringing out the derp.
 
2013-02-01 02:31:08 PM  
oh my god there is a lot of hate going on in here.


1. 84 percent of Americans eat fast food at least once a week, so cracking wise about poor people eating crap is just silly.
2. What exactly do you expect people to buy when they have to make on average, 133 bucks per person last for a month. That means a lot of cheap, unhealty carbs that are shelf-stable.
3. People have no idea what healthy food is. School lunches consist mostly of simple, unhealthy carbs and junk food- and have for generations. How, exactly, is anyone supposed to know that boxed chicken nuggets are really, in fact farking terrible for you? They serve them at school three times a week (between meals of pizza and hamburgers.)
4. people recieve food stamps also often work- and most of them have children. Are you really, REALLY hating on putting food in babies mouths? really?

We have some serious issues to get over in the next few decades in regards to obesity, food-born long-term illness and dealing with poverty. If we could not waste our time on mis-directed rage toward the poor? that would be keen.
 
2013-02-01 02:31:28 PM  

Nem Wan: BarkingUnicorn: If I was a grocer I would oppose this proposal.  I can charge higher prices on everything on Foodstamp Day because demand is at its peak.  Anything that reduces that advantage is not in my best interests.

How about if we eliminate food stamps and instead award your business an exclusive government contract worth the value of all food stamp spending in your area to distribute food to the poor with your profit margin being tied to the amount of campaign contributions you make to your legislators?


It would work!  You could replace Paul Ryan on the Budget Committee!

Add tax credits for leaving your Dumpsters unlocked. :-)
 
2013-02-01 02:31:50 PM  

jayphat: *sigh* you missed everything I just said. Congratulations on bringing out the derp.


No, I got everything you said. From your one little retail job, you are able to determine the eating habits of everyone who uses food stamps to feed their family.

You should let rush know.
 
2013-02-01 02:34:57 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: jayphat: *sigh* you missed everything I just said. Congratulations on bringing out the derp.

No, I got everything you said. From your one little retail job, you are able to determine the eating habits of everyone who uses food stamps to feed their family.

You should let rush know.


No, from my multiple retail jobs in multiple stores across three states in two decades, I've watched the same thing occuring in all places. And I never said everyone using food stamps. Nor did suggest that. I said the number was higher than people would like to believe, and that by removing these two items would go alot further than you think.

Why would I call Rush?
 
2013-02-01 02:43:11 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: Forbidden Doughnut: Kazrath: sigdiamond2000: Idaho?

I thought food stamps were only used by lazy "urban" welfare queens with plasma Xbox flat screen refrigerator Obama phones?

Thanks, came here to say pretty much the same thing.  There are no welfare recipients in Idaho as those are limited to libby lib states.

In my Derp-Red corner of Oregon ( which is otherwise pretty liberal), something like 15% of the population uses a SNAP card....

/ and the poverty rate is 29.7% (2008)

I'm going to correct myself: the places in Oregon where most of the people live ( Willamette Valley/Portland Metro ) are (fairly) liberal. The rest of the State, especially the far-Eastern and Southern parts, are not...


Get 5 miles from the city limits and your in deep red country.
 
2013-02-01 02:44:39 PM  

jayphat: Bullshiat. You go work retail for a month where these items are sold. These people aren't buying them because it's all they know how to eat. They're buying them because they aren't paying for it (It's FREE!). They have money to pay for other things, they just choose these because they approved. It has zero to do with caloric intake and more a lack of responsibility.


Gee... you sure seem to know a lot about what goes on inside the minds of poor people living on welfare. So how long were you on it yourself? I mean surely you must have a lot of experience living like they do to make such concrete statements.

BTW... I worked retail for many years in various cheapo bargain stores INCLUDING a brief stint at Wal Mart. I also have known lots of welfare recipients (and when the economy was totally tanked a few times was forced to live on it myself). I do know what hell it is. You either have to use food banks and soup kitchens (which generally serve a lot of garbage food themselves), become a criminal or starve.

Stop thinking that welfare is some kind of luxurious lifestyle because it is NOT. It is so miserable and intolerable I opted to deal with abusive employers for sh*t wages and destroyed my body in the process it sucks that bad.

Anyone who pulls this holier than thou, boostrappy bullsh*t has never EVER had to experience it or have conveniently forgotten what it was like so they can act all superior because they are pathetic losers who can only feel better about themselves by sh*tting on the downtrodden.

Are there people gaming the system? Most certainly... but that is rare and to get away with it you gotta bust your balls. More so than just keeping a sh*tty job.

The only people who get anywhere close to some kind of luxury at whores farting out kids to get more cash and that's only possible because of the family values cockbrains who think children are oh so precious and must be encourage no matter what. It's the same crap with even working schmucks. Squirt out a bunch of kids and everyone else will have to pay. The people who are responsible about their reproduction get the shaft.

You want to eliminate a form of welfare that'll make an ACTUAL dent? Quit rewarding irresponsible breeders.
 
2013-02-01 02:44:41 PM  

meat0918: Forbidden Doughnut: Forbidden Doughnut: Kazrath: sigdiamond2000: Idaho?

I thought food stamps were only used by lazy "urban" welfare queens with plasma Xbox flat screen refrigerator Obama phones?

Thanks, came here to say pretty much the same thing.  There are no welfare recipients in Idaho as those are limited to libby lib states.

In my Derp-Red corner of Oregon ( which is otherwise pretty liberal), something like 15% of the population uses a SNAP card....

/ and the poverty rate is 29.7% (2008)

I'm going to correct myself: the places in Oregon where most of the people live ( Willamette Valley/Portland Metro ) are (fairly) liberal. The rest of the State, especially the far-Eastern and Southern parts, are not...

Get 5 miles from the city limits and you're in deep red country.


Addendum and a FTFM, That's 5 miles from any of the city limits of the cities on sitting directly on I-5.
 
2013-02-01 02:47:49 PM  

here to help: jayphat: Bullshiat. You go work retail for a month where these items are sold. These people aren't buying them because it's all they know how to eat. They're buying them because they aren't paying for it (It's FREE!). They have money to pay for other things, they just choose these because they approved. It has zero to do with caloric intake and more a lack of responsibility.

Gee... you sure seem to know a lot about what goes on inside the minds of poor people living on welfare. So how long were you on it yourself? I mean surely you must have a lot of experience living like they do to make such concrete statements.

BTW... I worked retail for many years in various cheapo bargain stores INCLUDING a brief stint at Wal Mart. I also have known lots of welfare recipients (and when the economy was totally tanked a few times was forced to live on it myself). I do know what hell it is. You either have to use food banks and soup kitchens (which generally serve a lot of garbage food themselves), become a criminal or starve.

Stop thinking that welfare is some kind of luxurious lifestyle because it is NOT. It is so miserable and intolerable I opted to deal with abusive employers for sh*t wages and destroyed my body in the process it sucks that bad.

Anyone who pulls this holier than thou, boostrappy bullsh*t has never EVER had to experience it or have conveniently forgotten what it was like so they can act all superior because they are pathetic losers who can only feel better about themselves by sh*tting on the downtrodden.

Are there people gaming the system? Most certainly... but that is rare and to get away with it you gotta bust your balls. More so than just keeping a sh*tty job.

The only people who get anywhere close to some kind of luxury at whores farting out kids to get more cash and that's only possible because of the family values cockbrains who think children are oh so precious and must be encourage no matter what. It's the same crap with even working schmucks. Squ ...


Did you read anywhere in my post where I said Welfare/Food Stamps was a luxurious lifestyle? Anywhere? No, because I don't think it is. I simply said that making a simple reform to the program would save money. That's it. Is that hard to understand?
 
2013-02-01 02:49:48 PM  

here to help: jayphat: Bullshiat. You go work retail for a month where these items are sold. These people aren't buying them because it's all they know how to eat. They're buying them because they aren't paying for it (It's FREE!). They have money to pay for other things, they just choose these because they approved. It has zero to do with caloric intake and more a lack of responsibility.

Gee... you sure seem to know a lot about what goes on inside the minds of poor people living on welfare. So how long were you on it yourself? I mean surely you must have a lot of experience living like they do to make such concrete statements.

BTW... I worked retail for many years in various cheapo bargain stores INCLUDING a brief stint at Wal Mart. I also have known lots of welfare recipients (and when the economy was totally tanked a few times was forced to live on it myself). I do know what hell it is. You either have to use food banks and soup kitchens (which generally serve a lot of garbage food themselves), become a criminal or starve.

Stop thinking that welfare is some kind of luxurious lifestyle because it is NOT. It is so miserable and intolerable I opted to deal with abusive employers for sh*t wages and destroyed my body in the process it sucks that bad.

Anyone who pulls this holier than thou, boostrappy bullsh*t has never EVER had to experience it or have conveniently forgotten what it was like so they can act all superior because they are pathetic losers who can only feel better about themselves by sh*tting on the downtrodden.

Are there people gaming the system? Most certainly... but that is rare and to get away with it you gotta bust your balls. More so than just keeping a sh*tty job.

The only people who get anywhere close to some kind of luxury at whores farting out kids to get more cash and that's only possible because of the family values cockbrains who think children are oh so precious and must be encourage no matter what. It's the same crap with even working schmucks. Squ ...


Also, are you suggesting that we begin to forcibly sterilize people? Or use those hand dermal implants that can be removed later on?
 
2013-02-01 02:50:35 PM  

here to help: Millennium: Accepting your caricature for the sake of argument, I'd think they would at least have noticed that they'd only have to be open for half as many days under the per-week plan as the 10-day plan, which should save a significant amount of money in the long run. That should have gotten their attention.

They don't explain WHY it'll cost an extra million bucks to implement their current plan so one can only assume they're more interested in some more cheddar or they are completely incompetent. Don't try to figure out their thought process. It will only infuriate/confuse you. Just accept that the majority of them are half witted scumbags.


RTFA
 
2013-02-01 02:51:05 PM  

MyRandomName: TofuTheAlmighty: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.

You think food stamp recipients don't pay sales tax or payroll taxes (or state income taxes)? Pretty much the only progressive tax nowadays is the federal income tax. Why should my homeownership or health insurance be subsidized by public dollars? Food stamps, Section 8, the aforementioned deductions, preferential treatment of capital gains vs. wages - these are all transfers of wealth from the public coffers to individuals. They are all a form of welfare whether you want to believe it or not.

Capital gains are not preferrential, theyare different realizations on income .

Investments require risk. Working for aset paycheck does not .

Investments are long term gain. If it takes me 10 years of capital risk to make 100k the calculation is on a set sale for all gains. If you want it taxed at normal income you would need to remove all risk and do gains as if taken each year of the investment. For the above it would tax at the rate of 10k.

Stop the simple thinking that capital gains are equal to income. They are completely different vehicles.


They are just two different ways of making money. One costs risk - the other, work and time out of ones life. neither is morally or ethically superior to the other, and there is not and never has been any sound moral or ethical reason for taxing them differently.
If, on the other hand, we are simply making pragmatic arguments - well, everything changes. I can make all sorts of "pragmatic" suggestions that would be grossly unfair - but still pragmatically arguable.
Why is risk-taking somehow nobler, or more worthy than hard work?
 
2013-02-01 02:56:11 PM  

nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.

Yes I do.  I went to school to ensure a good career.  I worked my butt off to get a foot in the door and never looked back.  Before I became gainfully employed in this field I worked in shiat jobs.  Everything from hanging Christmas lights to unloading trucks to being a prep cook to being a picker for Hilti.  You're damned right I feel superior to those that chose to not pick a career path that ensures they and their family are well taken care of.

Yeah, good thing you aren't like any of those lazy welfare rats, sitting around doing nothing all day. By the way, do you get paid to Fark? Or is that just an example of how efficient you are in your awesome life?


As a matter of fact I do get paid to do this.  It's a perk of the job.  When we're not pushing a deadline we get to fart around a bit throughout the day.  It's great having a good career job instead of slaving away for nothing.  Say, how are you posting?
 
2013-02-01 03:01:47 PM  

jayphat: Did you read anywhere in my post where I said Welfare/Food Stamps was a luxurious lifestyle? Anywhere? No, because I don't think it is. I simply said that making a simple reform to the program would save money. That's it. Is that hard to understand?


You're not gonna save jack sh*t with your piddly excuse of a social policy. It only serves to make their lives more miserable.

jayphat: Also, are you suggesting that we begin to forcibly sterilize people? Or use those hand dermal implants that can be removed later on?


Uh... no. I'm saying either stop handing tax breaks and subsidies hand over fist to people who can't figure out how to use a condom or stop punishing the rest of us who can.

machodonkeywrestler: RTFA


Well maybe you saw an insight I missed when I DID RTFA. How does sending an electronic transfer of cash that would already be taking place at a different time of the month end up costing an extra million bucks?

If it's bank fees... well f*ck the bank that's charging them. They got their arses bailed out... they can do something to bloody well contribute to society. It doesn't cost them sh*t to make it happen.

Seriously... f*ck them. They're the reason so many more people are on welfare right now in the first place.

F*ck them f*ck them f*ck them.

F*ck them.
 
2013-02-01 03:02:07 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: Flange!: how will the tax code be changed to compensate for the effective tax increase on homeowners and people responsible enough to carry their own health insurance.

why should we right? if you're "responsible" enough, you should be able to afford it without welfare from society through tax breaks.

Why should tax payers subsidize you owning a home? or having children?

Be responsible, don't take any tax credits, you sponge.


Because people buying homes is good for everyone, because people not on public health insurance is good for everyone.

Food stamps and welfare are drags on society. I'm sorry for the situation those people are in, but dragging the rest of the country down to their level is not the solution.
 
2013-02-01 03:03:31 PM  
Amazon is surprisingly short on "food stamp cookbooks."  This genre could be a bonanza for some author(s)!  48 million food stamp recipients!

The USDA is full of general advice about stretching your food stamp allowance, i. e., "make a list, avoid impulse buying, buy in bulk," but I can't find any recipes, daily menus, or weekly menu plans.  (If you have links, I'd love to see 'em. But don't tell me, "The government must be doing this already.")

Cookbooks for different States/regions to accommodate food's availability and cost in different markets.  Cookbooks for singles, families, adults, kids, the elderly.  Kosher and halal food stamp cookbooks.  Endless variations.

Forget publishers and even self-publishing.  Just collect royalties from the USDA for every title it mails to a food stamp recipient.  Some good lobbying might get you an exclusive contract and make distribution to all recipients mandatory.

Of course, my brilliant idea fails if it really isn't possible to eat adequately on food stamps.
 
2013-02-01 03:03:45 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: nunpunter: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

I think the important thing here is that you get to feel superior to poor people.

Yes I do.  I went to school to ensure a good career.  I worked my butt off to get a foot in the door and never looked back.  Before I became gainfully employed in this field I worked in shiat jobs.  Everything from hanging Christmas lights to unloading trucks to being a prep cook to being a picker for Hilti.  You're damned right I feel superior to those that chose to not pick a career path that ensures they and their family are well taken care of.

Yeah, good thing you aren't like any of those lazy welfare rats, sitting around doing nothing all day. By the way, do you get paid to Fark? Or is that just an example of how efficient you are in your awesome life?

As a matter of fact I do get paid to do this.  It's a perk of the job.  When we're not pushing a deadline we get to fart around a bit throughout the day.  It's great having a good career job instead of slaving away for nothing.  Say, how are you posting?


Hey dummy, the guy who is claiming poor people are lazy is the one who has to justify his seemingly endless leisure time.
 
2013-02-01 03:06:53 PM  

here to help: Millennium: Accepting your caricature for the sake of argument, I'd think they would at least have noticed that they'd only have to be open for half as many days under the per-week plan as the 10-day plan, which should save a significant amount of money in the long run. That should have gotten their attention.

They don't explain WHY it'll cost an extra million bucks to implement their current plan so one can only assume they're more interested in some more cheddar or they are completely incompetent. Don't try to figure out their thought process. It will only infuriate/confuse you. Just accept that the majority of them are half witted scumbags.


Actually what I find infuriating and confusing are people like you who don't bother reading the article, instead choosing to spam the same mush brained liberal narrative, which is usually some combination of personal attacks, usually accusing opponents of bigotry or some other moral deficiency(and this thread even had a thinly veiled comparison to Hitler--Godwin's Law proved again)

Another element, which Rep. Perry says accounts for much of the cost, would be embossing recipients names onto cards, which she says that would help cut down on fraud.

I don't doubt that reissuing all the cards to put names on them would probably cost that much, it would likely cost a few dollars/card to produce and mail, actually they really should put pictures on there was well. Not really sure why that would be paired with changing the dates, but that may well be a function of the state legislature's rules.

Buy hey, derp away.
 
2013-02-01 03:11:40 PM  

Flange!: Because people buying homes is good for everyone,


Why? Why is it any better than renting? Because the tax payers subsidize it for you through welfare tax credits?

because people not on public health insurance is good for everyone.

why? People who can't afford it have no other choice than to go to emergency rooms or, as republicans seem to hope, die soon.

America pays more for healthcare and has less people covered. A single payer option is best all around. There is no reason for private health insurance except for a few to make a profit.

Food stamps and welfare are drags on society.

Actually it all goes to purchasing products in the local community, which helps to stimulate the local economy.

You know what really drags society down? Children starving because of greedy douchebags.
 
2013-02-01 03:15:21 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: Flange!: Because people buying homes is good for everyone,

Why? Why is it any better than renting? Because the tax payers subsidize it for you through welfare tax credits?

because people not on public health insurance is good for everyone.

why? People who can't afford it have no other choice than to go to emergency rooms or, as republicans seem to hope, die soon.

America pays more for healthcare and has less people covered. A single payer option is best all around. There is no reason for private health insurance except for a few to make a profit.

Food stamps and welfare are drags on society.

Actually it all goes to purchasing products in the local community, which helps to stimulate the local economy.

You know what really drags society down? Children starving because of greedy douchebags.




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2013-02-01 03:18:15 PM  

count_chimpula: Actually what I find infuriating and confusing are people like you who don't bother reading the article, instead choosing to spam the same mush brained liberal narrative, which is usually some combination of personal attacks, usually accusing opponents of bigotry or some other moral deficiency(and this thread even had a thinly veiled comparison to Hitler--Godwin's Law proved again)


Hi there. First off I'd like say f*ck you.

That said... if they are spending ALL that money on sending out PROPER cards to prevent fraud it a) should have been done in the first bloody place and b) that should, in theory, cut some costs if people are actually defrauding the government because of it (no... believe it or not I think fraud is a bad thing and should be prevented). Still seems like a ridiculous amount of money for some stupid pieces of plastic. Someone is overcharging the government... as usual.

But seriously... f*ck you. I did none of what you've claimed I did. You're a liar, a partisan hack and a dick.
 
2013-02-01 03:20:18 PM  
jayphat:

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No trolling is claiming to know the dietary habits of people who use food stamps because they had a retail job once.

In fact, if you look under the qualifications for a case workers, it says "must have had experience in retail checking out people who used EBT"

You should apply. Get a gubbermint jerb.
 
2013-02-01 03:22:22 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: jayphat:

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No trolling is claiming to know the dietary habits of people who use food stamps because they had a retail job once.

In fact, if you look under the qualifications for a case workers, it says "must have had experience in retail checking out people who used EBT"

You should apply. Get a gubbermint jerb.


Only a troll would think that people owning a home and not on government insurance would be a hinderance to society.
 
2013-02-01 03:25:42 PM  
Also whining about how liberal Fark is these days is completely retarded. Goddamned Freepers and Stormfronters hijacked the mainpage a few years ago. I'm a freaking moderate and I feel like I'm one of the last few guys on here not spewing hate towards the poor and other races. Even in it's heyday Fark was only slightly left of center.

But constant lying and pointing out boogeymen that aren't there seem to be the order of the day. Not sure why I even log on anymore. I can't remember the last time I've even chuckled reading a thread.
 
2013-02-01 03:27:09 PM  

jayphat: Only a troll would think that people owning a home and not on government insurance would be a hinderance to society.


Never said it was, said they should be "responsible" and stop expecting tax payers to subsidize their choice.

You want a house? awesome, why should you get welfare in the form of a tax credit? be "responsible" and pay for it yourself.

You want kids? Super, why should you get welfare in the form of a tax credit? be "responsible" and pay for then yourself.

You want private insurance? Fantastic, why should you get welfare in the form of a tax credit? be "responsible" and pay for it yourself.

Right. Personal responsibility. Well, unless you can get back more in tax dollars at the end of the year than you paid in. Then you're a responsible 'merica helping to stabilize society.

Unlike those drains who get an average of $133 a month for food.
 
2013-02-01 03:30:05 PM  
Why don't the poor just die already?  Why are they so selfish?
 
2013-02-01 03:33:19 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: jayphat: Only a troll would think that people owning a home and not on government insurance would be a hinderance to society.

Never said it was, said they should be "responsible" and stop expecting tax payers to subsidize their choice.

You want a house? awesome, why should you get welfare in the form of a tax credit? be "responsible" and pay for it yourself.

You want kids? Super, why should you get welfare in the form of a tax credit? be "responsible" and pay for then yourself.

You want private insurance? Fantastic, why should you get welfare in the form of a tax credit? be "responsible" and pay for it yourself.

Right. Personal responsibility. Well, unless you can get back more in tax dollars at the end of the year than you paid in. Then you're a responsible 'merica helping to stabilize society.

Unlike those drains who get an average of $133 a month for food.


The damned tax credits you speak of annoy me as well. But most americans would flip their lids if they saw just exactly how much the government expected them to pay without those credits. I personally believe the tax system needs an overhaul. And by that, every single deduction needs to be removed. Income and capital gains I have already explained before on how they should be taxed.  There should be no tax deductions save one; the number of persons in your household.  Set the tax rate at a correct amount based on the amount needed to pay the bills every year plus the a payment plan to have the national debt paid off in 15 years.  No-one receives more money back in taxes than they paid into the system, regardless of how many dependents in the household.

Also the tax brackets need readjusted. Using the original 6 tier model, but adjust the dollar amounts for inflation to proper levels so that we have wider gaps in the tax brackets.
 
2013-02-01 03:44:50 PM  
count_chimpula: "Another element, which Rep. Perry says accounts for much of the cost, would be embossing recipients names onto cards, which she says that would help cut down on fraud."

Rep. Perry has no idea how food stamp fraud is committed.  It matters little whether one person uses another's card at a checkout counter, which is the only kind an embossed name could catch.  Also, the person checking the name is in on the fraud, in most cases.  $10 bottle of wine, $100 cash back, ring up $200 worth of pinto beans.

Yes, using someone else's card is fraud.  But preventing such use will not reduce government spending on food stamps by a dime.

The Agriculture Department estimates illegal food stamp schemes cost taxpayers $330 million a year.  Total food stamp benefits in 2012:  $75 billion.  That's a 0.44% fraud rate.  I'm not going to get worked up about it.
 
2013-02-01 03:48:42 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: count_chimpula: "Another element, which Rep. Perry says accounts for much of the cost, would be embossing recipients names onto cards, which she says that would help cut down on fraud."

Rep. Perry has no idea how food stamp fraud is committed.  It matters little whether one person uses another's card at a checkout counter, which is the only kind an embossed name could catch.  Also, the person checking the name is in on the fraud, in most cases.  $10 bottle of wine, $100 cash back, ring up $200 worth of pinto beans.

Yes, using someone else's card is fraud.  But preventing such use will not reduce government spending on food stamps by a dime.

The Agriculture Department estimates illegal food stamp schemes cost taxpayers $330 million a year.  Total food stamp benefits in 2012:  $75 billion.  That's a 0.44% fraud rate.  I'm not going to get worked up about it.


Isn't this the same Dept of Agriculture that thinks that subsidizing corn production for Ethanol is a good thing, despite the fact it's driving up the price of corn and actual food prices, making it harder for everyone to buy a meal?  Yes, I trust their ideas a whole lot.
 
2013-02-01 04:01:54 PM  

Nickninja: Meh, if they change it up that'll just be several more days that I will have to remember to avoid walmart.


Easy solution, avoid it every day.  Shop local.
 
2013-02-01 04:02:50 PM  

jayphat: BarkingUnicorn: count_chimpula: "Another element, which Rep. Perry says accounts for much of the cost, would be embossing recipients names onto cards, which she says that would help cut down on fraud."

Rep. Perry has no idea how food stamp fraud is committed.  It matters little whether one person uses another's card at a checkout counter, which is the only kind an embossed name could catch.  Also, the person checking the name is in on the fraud, in most cases.  $10 bottle of wine, $100 cash back, ring up $200 worth of pinto beans.

Yes, using someone else's card is fraud.  But preventing such use will not reduce government spending on food stamps by a dime.

The Agriculture Department estimates illegal food stamp schemes cost taxpayers $330 million a year.  Total food stamp benefits in 2012:  $75 billion.  That's a 0.44% fraud rate.  I'm not going to get worked up about it.

Isn't this the same Dept of Agriculture that thinks that subsidizing corn production for Ethanol is a good thing, despite the fact it's driving up the price of corn and actual food prices, making it harder for everyone to buy a meal?  Yes, I trust their ideas a whole lot.


What ideas?  I only mentioned USDA's estimate of food stamp fraud's cost.
 
2013-02-01 04:04:27 PM  

here to help: Millennium: Accepting your caricature for the sake of argument, I'd think they would at least have noticed that they'd only have to be open for half as many days under the per-week plan as the 10-day plan, which should save a significant amount of money in the long run. That should have gotten their attention.

They don't explain WHY it'll cost an extra million bucks to implement their current plan so one can only assume they're more interested in some more cheddar or they are completely incompetent. Don't try to figure out their thought process. It will only infuriate/confuse you. Just accept that the majority of them are half witted scumbags.


RTFA, they did, the embossing of names, for starters.
 
2013-02-01 04:08:56 PM  

g4lt: RTFA, they did, the embossing of names, for starters.


You're right. Let's kill the poor. They should do their own damned embossing.
 
2013-02-01 04:19:07 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Amazon is surprisingly short on "food stamp cookbooks."  This genre could be a bonanza for some author(s)!  48 million food stamp recipients!

The USDA is full of general advice about stretching your food stamp allowance, i. e., "make a list, avoid impulse buying, buy in bulk," but I can't find any recipes, daily menus, or weekly menu plans.  (If you have links, I'd love to see 'em. But don't tell me, "The government must be doing this already.")

Cookbooks for different States/regions to accommodate food's availability and cost in different markets.  Cookbooks for singles, families, adults, kids, the elderly.  Kosher and halal food stamp cookbooks.  Endless variations.

Forget publishers and even self-publishing.  Just collect royalties from the USDA for every title it mails to a food stamp recipient.  Some good lobbying might get you an exclusive contract and make distribution to all recipients mandatory.

Of course, my brilliant idea fails if it really isn't possible to eat adequately on food stamps.


Try this.

http://www.dollaradaybook.com/
 
2013-02-01 04:23:02 PM  
It should also be noted that that article was written in such a way to make it sound as if the cost was mostly due to staggering the payments. The blurb about the embossing doesn't come until the the very end. It's almost as if it was written to ENRAGE people about those filthy welfare bums getting some kind of "benefit" out of the deal (WOO HOO!! I get to buy food on a different day!! I'm king of the world, Ma!). In reality the cost is something that should have been done in the first place. They weren't putting the recipient's names on the cards already? lol

You can see how one could get misled by such journalistic tricks. Goddamned liberal media!
 
2013-02-01 04:24:00 PM  

here to help: g4lt: RTFA, they did, the embossing of names, for starters.

You're right. Let's kill the poor. They should do their own damned embossing.


How does me pointing out what the extra $700K is going to get spent on equate to the words you tried to put in my mouth?  I plan on writing my legislator to oppose this, because I don't think JP Morgan needs $700K extra money to do this part.  The "stagger benefits" part is good, I hope they run with it
 
2013-02-01 04:28:50 PM  

g4lt: How does me pointing out what the extra $700K is going to get spent on equate to the words you tried to put in my mouth? I plan on writing my legislator to oppose this, because I don't think JP Morgan needs $700K extra money to do this part. The "stagger benefits" part is good, I hope they run with it


Sorry. Just used to people being hateful dicks anytime someone shows compassion and common sense around here.

They really do need to have names on the cards though. Whether they need to be bumpy... well that doesn't seem worth a million bucks. Make the corksmoking bank pay for that. They've gotten enough welfare themselves and make a fortune of the welfare deal anyway. They can afford it.
 
2013-02-01 04:31:49 PM  
Oh... and lose your card... lose $2-5 dollars off your next check to replace it.

I'm compassionate but I do expect at least the most basic level of responsibility.
 
2013-02-01 04:42:33 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: DubyaHater: I know a great way to get money throughout the month. It's called "Getting a job and receiving a paycheck". I received a deposit in my account today, and I'll be expecting one in another two weeks. It's an amazing concept.

Racist bigot homophobe warmongering capitalist pig

/did I miss any?


'Stupid' and 'you don't have any concept of 'disability-causing car crashes', do you' spring to mind...
 
2013-02-01 04:57:06 PM  

MyRandomName: TofuTheAlmighty: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.

You think food stamp recipients don't pay sales tax or payroll taxes (or state income taxes)? Pretty much the only progressive tax nowadays is the federal income tax. Why should my homeownership or health insurance be subsidized by public dollars? Food stamps, Section 8, the aforementioned deductions, preferential treatment of capital gains vs. wages - these are all transfers of wealth from the public coffers to individuals. They are all a form of welfare whether you want to believe it or not.

Capital gains are not preferrential, theyare different realizations on income .

Investments require risk. Working for aset paycheck does not .

Investments are long term gain. If it takes me 10 years of capital risk to make 100k the calculation is on a set sale for all gains. If you want it taxed at normal income you would need to remove all risk and do gains as if taken each year of the investment. For the above it would tax at the rate of 10k.

Stop the simple thinking that capital gains are equal to income. They are completely different vehicles.


Working for a paycheck has 0 risk?   What world do you live in?   Yes your right, it's much better for the country to tax work rather than wealth because, taxing work more than wealth encourages, uh not working, good plan.
 
2013-02-01 05:08:54 PM  
Yet another reason to quicken research on food pills.
 
2013-02-01 05:37:52 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.


Have you seen the kitchen space in most Welfare apartments?  It's not exactly the ideal for cooking anything that isn't mostly already prepared.

Switching to 10 day periods can be a problem.  Even in urban areas getting to the grocery market can be tough.  Out in the sticks, it can be a real pain in the butt.  It's not that you need to shop for more than 10 days of supplies at a time (although bulk shopping can save money) it's that you may be relying on someone to give you a ride.  You are on their schedule, so the more flexibility you have, the better.  If stores are complaining, there is a much easier solution.  Just give them out at different times of the month to different people.  Randomly assign the day people get their benefits on throughout the month.  (Allow them to switch periodically.  It might be useful for a couple of neighbors to get them on the same day so they can share a ride to the store or whatever.)

Another thing that needs to be fixed is soda deposits.  There was a big argument saying you shouldn't be able to buy soda with food stamps, and the evidence cited was that some drunks where buying soda, dumping it out, and taking it back for the cash deposit, and using that to buy alcohol (you can't buy alcohol with foodstamps).  The solution for that is even simpler.  Require cash for the deposit.  Someone uses food stamps to buy a 2-liter of soda, they have to pay the 5 cent deposit in cash.  They can get it back when they return the bottle, but they can't make money at it anymore.
 
2013-02-01 05:42:31 PM  

HoratioGates: Another thing that needs to be fixed is soda deposits. There was a big argument saying you shouldn't be able to buy soda with food stamps, and the evidence cited was that some drunks where buying soda, dumping it out, and taking it back for the cash deposit, and using that to buy alcohol (you can't buy alcohol with foodstamps). The solution for that is even simpler. Require cash for the deposit. Someone uses food stamps to buy a 2-liter of soda, they have to pay the 5 cent deposit in cash. They can get it back when they return the bottle, but they can't make money at it anymore.


At that point just let them have their booze. You seriously want to legislate that? I thought the idea was to have LESS government intrusion. That's a pain in the dick for EVERYONE involved.
 
2013-02-01 06:12:31 PM  
Okay, so Idaho is finally catching up to MI and want to make a deal about it, whatever.  I do hear some interesting stories from my wife, who cashiers at a Kroger.  Their system makes is it hard to cheat welfare during checkout because the last thing Kroger wants is to lose their ability to take welfare transactions.  In Flint, that is big money.

One story was a couple was trying to buy beer during a welfare(EBT) transaction that in itself not a big deal because the register will separate between what the state will pay for and what the customer will have to pay for themselves.  The real problem was the wife was the only name on the EBT card and she is underage for alcohol.  They couldn't allow the beer to be on the transaction and let her pay with EBT for the food.  The man became outraged, but if they let that happen it would've cost the store their welfare and liquor licenses.  Honestly I wouldn't want them being able to buy extra unneeded stuff like beer, if they need help with necessities.
 
2013-02-01 06:30:22 PM  

HoratioGates: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

Have you seen the kitchen space in most Welfare apartments?  It's not exactly the ideal for cooking anything that isn't mostly already prepared.

Switching to 10 day periods can be a problem.  Even in urban areas getting to the grocery market can be tough.  Out in the sticks, it can be a real pain in the butt.  It's not that you need to shop for more than 10 days of supplies at a time (although bulk shopping can save money) it's that you may be relying on someone to give you a ride.  You are on their schedule, so the more flexibility you have, the better.  If stores are complaining, there is a much easier solution.  Just give them out at different times of the month to different people.  Randomly assign the day people get their benefits on throughout the month.  (Allow them to switch periodically.  It might be useful for a couple of neighbors to get them on the same day so they can share a ride to the store or whatever.)

Another thing that needs to be fixed is soda deposits.  There was a big argument saying you shouldn't be able to buy soda with food stamps, and the evidence cited was that some drunks where buying soda, dumping it out, and taking it back for the cash deposit, and using that to buy alcohol (you can't buy alcohol with foodstamps).  The solution for that is even simpler.  Require cash for the deposit.  Someone uses food stamps to buy a 2-liter of soda, they have to pay the 5 cent deposit in cash.  They can get it back when they return the bottle, but they can't make money at it anymore.


Uhm, this isn't a problem in Idaho.  The last time deposits were collected for Soda bottles was in the Seventies IIRC.  (I personally started using Aluminum when cans started to actually have a better return than deposits, when Alcoa started weekly runs to my hometown, so can't remember the exact date)
 
2013-02-01 08:40:09 PM  
FTFA: "Efficiency isn't necessarily always what's cheapest to do. A government program, it should be effective and it should be efficient, but efficient is not always synonymous with cheapest." Rep. Perry said.

Gee. I wonder whose cousin or brother-in-law is getting the new contract to print up those personalized recipient cards?
 
2013-02-01 09:17:55 PM  

HoratioGates: Smeggy Smurf: I hate the idea.  It's tough enough going shopping on Welfare Day.  If they extend it over a week it'll be neigh on impossible to get any grocery shopping done until the middle of the month.

You can always tell who's going to whip out their welfare card by the contents of their cart.  Junk food and boxed everything.

Have you seen the kitchen space in most Welfare apartments?  It's not exactly the ideal for cooking anything that isn't mostly already prepared.

Switching to 10 day periods can be a problem.  Even in urban areas getting to the grocery market can be tough.  Out in the sticks, it can be a real pain in the butt.  It's not that you need to shop for more than 10 days of supplies at a time (although bulk shopping can save money) it's that you may be relying on someone to give you a ride.  You are on their schedule, so the more flexibility you have, the better.  If stores are complaining, there is a much easier solution.  Just give them out at different times of the month to different people.  Randomly assign the day people get their benefits on throughout the month.  (Allow them to switch periodically.  It might be useful for a couple of neighbors to get them on the same day so they can share a ride to the store or whatever.)

Another thing that needs to be fixed is soda deposits.  There was a big argument saying you shouldn't be able to buy soda with food stamps, and the evidence cited was that some drunks where buying soda, dumping it out, and taking it back for the cash deposit, and using that to buy alcohol (you can't buy alcohol with foodstamps).  The solution for that is even simpler.  Require cash for the deposit.  Someone uses food stamps to buy a 2-liter of soda, they have to pay the 5 cent deposit in cash.  They can get it back when they return the bottle, but they can't make money at it anymore.


Or, you know, just don't let soda be eligible for food stamp purchases.
 
2013-02-01 09:19:28 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: "Efficiency isn't necessarily always what's cheapest to do. A government program, it should be effective and it should be efficient, but efficient is not always synonymous with cheapest." Rep. Perry said.

Gee. I wonder whose cousin or brother-in-law is getting the new contract to print up those personalized recipient cards?


Honestly, i kinda thought the same thing.
 
2013-02-01 09:29:52 PM  

here to help: Also whining about how liberal Fark is these days is completely retarded. Goddamned Freepers and Stormfronters hijacked the mainpage a few years ago. I'm a freaking moderate and I feel like I'm one of the last few guys on here not spewing hate towards the poor and other races. Even in it's heyday Fark was only slightly left of center.

But constant lying and pointing out boogeymen that aren't there seem to be the order of the day. Not sure why I even log on anymore. I can't remember the last time I've even chuckled reading a thread.


Member since 2011?  Fark has undergone many changes over the years.
 
2013-02-01 10:22:47 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Wait, so the guy who is actually paying into the system is the one who's the mooch?  I'm confused.

I know people who take all sorts of tax credits and end up getting thousands more back thn they paid in. Those same people then turn around and complain about the poor getting a couple hundred dollars to buy food.

If someone gets back more than they paid in, how is it not welfare?

/not subby or tofu alt.


And yet Mittens gets heat for saying this same thing. Here's a hint. The 47% people talk about isn't "the poor."
 
2013-02-01 10:55:12 PM  

here to help: g4lt: RTFA, they did, the embossing of names, for starters.

You're right. Let's kill the poor. They should do their own damned embossing.


They'd learn a marketable skill.
 
2013-02-01 11:07:28 PM  

meat0918: BarkingUnicorn: Amazon is surprisingly short on "food stamp cookbooks."  This genre could be a bonanza for some author(s)!  48 million food stamp recipients!

The USDA is full of general advice about stretching your food stamp allowance, i. e., "make a list, avoid impulse buying, buy in bulk," but I can't find any recipes, daily menus, or weekly menu plans.  (If you have links, I'd love to see 'em. But don't tell me, "The government must be doing this already.")

Cookbooks for different States/regions to accommodate food's availability and cost in different markets.  Cookbooks for singles, families, adults, kids, the elderly.  Kosher and halal food stamp cookbooks.  Endless variations.

Forget publishers and even self-publishing.  Just collect royalties from the USDA for every title it mails to a food stamp recipient.  Some good lobbying might get you an exclusive contract and make distribution to all recipients mandatory.

Of course, my brilliant idea fails if it really isn't possible to eat adequately on food stamps.

Try this.

http://www.dollaradaybook.com/


Uh, no.  That's as lame as the "live on food stamps for a week challenge."  Silly rules, too.  And they couldn't even grow vegetables in southern California!
 
2013-02-01 11:45:44 PM  

Matthew Keene: that's usually a person that would not know what to do with a five pound bag of pinto beans and a hamhock


and some black beans and some porkchops and some sausage.......
 
2013-02-02 02:02:03 AM  

MyRandomName: ...

Capital gains are not preferrential, theyare different realizations on income .

Investments require risk. Working for aset paycheck does not .

Investments are long term gain. If it takes me 10 years of capital risk to make 100k the calculation is on a set sale for all gains. If you want it taxed at normal income you would need to remove all risk and do gains as if taken each year of the investment. For the above it would tax at the rate of 10k.

Stop the simple thinking that capital gains are equal to income. They are completely different vehicles.

Ok- so hear me out-
Instead of working for your money, you are investing it- and when you make a profit...
That's not income????
Why are we giving preferential treatment to an income stream? Get rid of Capital Gains- it's another form of income.
Treat it as such-
If you want to encourage investment, make it so any profit that you realize AND THEN ACTUALIZE  (IE cash out instead of reinvesting) is treated and taxed *at the same rate as income, since at that point, it is income.*
This allows and encourages investment and reinvestment- and eliminates people using capital gains as a shelter for permanent wealth.  Do the same with IRA, both Roth and Classical- IE- it is not taxed as income until you start drawing from it-

So, say I start an IRA- I continually reinvest any profits I make and continue gaining till my retirement.  Any losses would be considered risk of playing the game- essentially just as if I were working, and decided to take an upaid day off.  When I retire and start drawing from the IRA, the amount I draw is income- which I gained from investment, but still income.
So, instead of drawing the entirety of the IRA, I'd only take what I need to maintain a decent lifestyle- and... Wait for it....
Continue to invest the remainder.
The market benefits since I am still active in the market, and the government still retains the funds I pay as my fair share of taxes.  Win, Win, Win.

But you see- this would make people upset, since a simplified take on the idea of income would shatter a huge shelter exploited by corporations, the wealthy, and the mid-to-not-so-wealthy.

On that note, if corporations are individuals in the eyes of the law, they should be individuals in the eyes of the IRS ^_~
 
2013-02-02 11:32:10 AM  

Citrate1007: The proposal is to issue benefits over 10 days each month, and print recipient's names on their benefit cards.

Surprised they don't do this already.  MN recently had to pass a law that prohibits the cards from being used out of state.  Too many people on food stamps were using them while on vacation.


That is really the only part of the article that surprised me. I would have figured putting the name on the card would help prevent other people using the cards.
 
2013-02-02 11:57:22 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Oregon has been doing this for years. The day your SNAP benefits are available on the Oregon Trail card are based on the last digit of your Social Security number.


How many of the recipients of the Oregon Trail card die of dysentary every year?
 
2013-02-03 06:24:33 PM  

g4lt: Uhm, this isn't a problem in Idaho.  The last time deposits were collected for Soda bottles was in the Seventies IIRC.  (I personally started using Aluminum when cans started to actually have a better return than deposits, when Alcoa started weekly runs to my hometown, so can't remember the exact date)


We didn't have deposits when I was a little kid.  I remember soda bottles everywhere.  You couldn't even walk out in the woods without seeing empties lying everywhere.  I'd actually like to see deposits expanded to more products that are recyclable.  I'd do it through voluntary programs though, but letting the stores and manufacturer's keep the unclaimed returns.  (You'd probably have to set a minimum return so companies didn't game the system by just charging a few cents.  Soda deposits have gotten low enough relative to cost so that lots of people just throw them in the recyclables, which is fine, but I'm also seeing more lying along the side of roads these days).

here to help: At that point just let them have their booze. You seriously want to legislate that? I thought the idea was to have LESS government intrusion. That's a pain in the dick for EVERYONE involved.


The problem there is that alcoholic parents might spend all their money on booze and let their kids starve.  Personally, if an alcoholic who isn't bothering anyone wants to drink away his liver, I don't care, but right now we are closer to banning buying soda with food stamps than letting people buy booze with food stamps.  Of course, you can spend your money on Twinkies too, but Twinkies are (a little) less addictive than alcohol.

jayphat: Or, you know, just don't let soda be eligible for food stamp purchases.


Why not?  Poor kids don't deserve an occasional soda?  Then don't let them buy cookies.  Then crackers.  It's fine from a health food perspective, but you either have to label each product as 'food stamp' or 'not food stamp' or people have to memorize the lists of what qualifies or not.  I was responding to a specific movement to do just that, that was citing this as a reason.  Fixing the deposit removes the distortion from the system.  I suppose they can always eat cake.
 
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