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(Yahoo)   Prado bags $40 million in Arizona. Inflation must be a killer   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 53
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2013-02-01 11:07:28 AM
i47.tinypic.com

Eh, I know it's designer and all, but I just don't see it.
 
2013-02-01 11:38:25 AM
Yeah people were saying that trade was only a winner for Arizona if they extended Prado, and bingo bango... they did.  Makes you wonder what was wrong with Upton that they'd rather take Prado immediately than try and sign a 25 year old MVP candidate long term...
 
2013-02-01 11:40:36 AM
I am glad he has been rewarded for some really great play. I'm still a bit upset that he isn't staying in Atlanta...I've been wanting him to get a big contract since he took over at 2B several years ago and lit it up.

He is a good guy and plays hard in the first inning of a spring training game and the 9th inning of some crap game in the middle of July that is well out of reach.
 
2013-02-01 11:52:17 AM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Yeah people were saying that trade was only a winner for Arizona if they extended Prado, and bingo bango... they did.  Makes you wonder what was wrong with Upton that they'd rather take Prado immediately than try and sign a 25 year old MVP candidate long term...


Upton was already signed for another 3 years. He apparently didn't care enough to improve on some things that the Dbacks wanted him to. He didn't fit the type of player Gibson wants so off he went.
 
2013-02-01 11:57:05 AM

bulldg4life: I am glad he has been rewarded for some really great play. I'm still a bit upset that he isn't staying in Atlanta...I've been wanting him to get a big contract since he took over at 2B several years ago and lit it up.

He is a good guy and plays hard in the first inning of a spring training game and the 9th inning of some crap game in the middle of July that is well out of reach.


I was upset that he was traded, but after thinking about it, I think the Braves made the right move. They wouldn't be able to afford him after this season. They also have a big prospect in the minors that can play third. I wish Marteen the best of luck, except when he plays the Braves. He'll get a HUGE ovation the first game in Atlanta.
 
2013-02-01 12:19:21 PM
i47.tinypic.com
Did they scalp Jaime Lee Curtis for that thing?
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2013-02-01 12:25:28 PM
is prado really a 10m per year guy @ 3b?

it does raise the what do the dbacks know that everyone else doesnt about upton.
 
2013-02-01 12:57:07 PM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Makes you wonder what was wrong with Upton that they'd rather take Prado immediately than try and sign a 25 year old MVP candidate long term...


what desertgeek said.

bulldg4life: He is a good guy and plays hard in the first inning of a spring training game and the 9th inning of some crap game in the middle of July that is well out of reach.


that's what the chatter is.  Dude apparently grinds.  If he was white he'd be called "scrappy".


desertgeek: He apparently didn't care enough to improve on some things that the Dbacks wanted him to. He didn't fit the type of player Gibson wants so off he went.


yeah.....KT tellingly talks about how the team's "attitude" needed changing and with this and other roster moves, they seem to be saying, in some cases literally, that the 2013 D-Backs will be a team that fights and plays every out.  That and the stuff about him refusing to change seem to indicate that Upton wasn't receptive to suggestions.

few months ago Don Baylor (hitting coach) made some not so subtle critical comments about him.  i don't recall exactly what it was but it was about "if he would just implement a little of what we work on, he'd be a better hittier", but then said his stubbornness is also what made him great.  who knows.
 
2013-02-01 01:03:34 PM

farbekrieg: is prado really a 10m per year guy @ 3b?

it does raise the what do the dbacks know that everyone else doesnt about upton.


Well, it certainly means the Upton trade can't be described as a cost cutting move, that's for sure.  Maybe it's nothing more than a matter of concluding that 2012 Upton is the real Upton, and if the market perceived him as more than that, they should take advantage.

I'm just glad that Upton nixed a trade to the Mariners for a top-5 prospect, a top-50 prospect and two quality major league relievers under long-term club control.  That was too much.  The deal to Atlanta was pretty fair.
 
2013-02-01 01:29:32 PM
As a Brave's fan, I'll be sad to see ya go, buddy.
 
2013-02-01 01:50:13 PM

desertgeek: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Yeah people were saying that trade was only a winner for Arizona if they extended Prado, and bingo bango... they did.  Makes you wonder what was wrong with Upton that they'd rather take Prado immediately than try and sign a 25 year old MVP candidate long term...

Upton was already signed for another 3 years. He apparently didn't care enough to improve on some things that the Dbacks wanted him to. He didn't fit the type of player Gibson wants so off he went.


Some angry Canadian tried to call you out in a headline last night over the 'yotes but it was redlit, they probably got a ban too.
 
2013-02-01 01:52:29 PM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Yeah people were saying that trade was only a winner for Arizona if they extended Prado,


That's a bit of an oversimplification. I mean, if all it took for Arizona to "win" was giving Prado a long term deal, they could've simply offered him 20/800billion the day after the trade was completed.

Instead, the question is "Was Arizona able to sign him for less than he'd get as a free agent?" The first year of this deal doesn't matter, as that's about what he probably would've made in arb, so throw it aside. If Prado played through 2013, then hit the market, would anyone give him more than 3/33?

I don't know, especially since the 2013 season hasn't happened yet. But to me, this doesn't seem like much of a discount.
 
2013-02-01 02:22:57 PM

DeWayne Mann: Instead, the question is "Was Arizona able to sign him for less than he'd get as a free agent?" The first year of this deal doesn't matter, as that's about what he probably would've made in arb, so throw it aside. If Prado played through 2013, then hit the market, would anyone give him more than 3/33?


No, it was a win to get a player of Prado's caliber for more than one season (aka a rental).  You're thinking too much.  If they don't have him, they have a replacement level player or worse in their lineup, and they don't have Justin Upton.  The key is to have Prado for more  than one year.  The price, while important depending on Arizona's budget (which I'm not familiar with), is less important when considering "Who are we going to have at 3rd instead of Prado?"  I don't think Arizona answers that question confidently, thus the trade goes in the win column for them.

Plus it takes a clubhouse leader like Prado out of Atlanta and puts a potential knucklehead like Upton in there instead, which as a Nats fan I find compelling.
 
2013-02-01 02:46:56 PM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: You're thinking too much.


Yeah, are you new here? That's sort of my thing.

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: If they don't have him, they have a replacement level player or worse in their lineup, and they don't have Justin Upton. The key is to have Prado for more than one year. The price, while important depending on Arizona's budget (which I'm not familiar with), is less important when considering "Who are we going to have at 3rd instead of Prado?" I don't think Arizona answers that question confidently, thus the trade goes in the win column for them.


Let's pretend the D-backs don't make this trade, or any other. Then for 2013, their 3B is Chris Johnson. Nothing special, but an acceptable player, especially since it's unlikely that the D-backs will be making the playoffs this year.

Meanwhile, the Braves already said they weren't going to extend Prado (and, based on his expected price, were unlikely to offer a qualifying offer). So unless they traded him to some other team, he was going to be a free agent. At this point, the D-backs could have Prado AND Upton.

So with that in mind, the trade only makes sense one of two ways:

1. They felt giving up Upton was an acceptable cost to get an exclusive 1 year negotiating window with Prado (presumably to drive his cost down.)
2. They felt the Braves WOULD trade him elsewhere, and that Upton was the cost required to beat out the other team's offer.

Both of those seem like gross misreadings of the market.
 
2013-02-01 02:51:52 PM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: DeWayne Mann: Instead, the question is "Was Arizona able to sign him for less than he'd get as a free agent?" The first year of this deal doesn't matter, as that's about what he probably would've made in arb, so throw it aside. If Prado played through 2013, then hit the market, would anyone give him more than 3/33?

No, it was a win to get a player of Prado's caliber for more than one season (aka a rental).  You're thinking too much.  If they don't have him, they have a replacement level player or worse in their lineup, and they don't have Justin Upton.  The key is to have Prado for more  than one year.  The price, while important depending on Arizona's budget (which I'm not familiar with), is less important when considering "Who are we going to have at 3rd instead of Prado?"  I don't think Arizona answers that question confidently, thus the trade goes in the win column for them.

Plus it takes a clubhouse leader like Prado out of Atlanta and puts a potential knucklehead like Upton in there instead, which as a Nats fan I find compelling.


On the other hand, Chris Johnson, who was just kinda thrown in by the D-Backs, isn't that far behind Prado at 3b.
 
2013-02-01 03:02:34 PM

farbekrieg: is prado really a 10m per year guy @ 3b?

it does raise the what do the dbacks know that everyone else doesnt about upton.


Prado has averaged 3.75 fWAR over the last 4 years. If you assume the price 1 WAR for a free agent is about $5.5m and if you assume Prado will average at least 2.5 WAR in his first three FA years (the years he just signed for), then that would theoretically cost $13.75m to replace.

So, extending him at this point for $10m was probably a fair price.  Now if he blows up in Arizona and has an MVP level season, then this deal is a steal for the Diamondbacks.
 
2013-02-01 03:07:57 PM

Dafatone: On the other hand, Chris Johnson, who was just kinda thrown in by the D-Backs, isn't that far behind Prado at 3b.


But doesnt Atlanta want to give Juan Francisco every chance at 3b next year? Admittedly between average defensively and below average hitter and below average defensively and above average hitter I'd take the hitter every time.

And does Arizona see itself  in this window of being a playoff cotender, otherwise you just paid full market value for a 3b when even with him you are the 4th best team in the nl west?
 
2013-02-01 03:10:34 PM

farbekrieg: And does Arizona see itself  in this window of being a playoff cotender, otherwise you just paid full market value for a 3b when even with him you are the 4th best team in the nl west?


I see the Snakes being above the Rox, so at least 3rd.
 
2013-02-01 03:13:25 PM
..though I do understand the point, as there are only two wild card slots, and one of them will almost assuredly come out of the NL East
 
2013-02-01 03:14:03 PM

farbekrieg: But doesnt Atlanta want to give Juan Francisco every chance at 3b next year?


Francisco, in his career, against lefties: .190/.224/.222

Now, that's a pretty small sample size of just 67 PA, but he had similar splits in the minors. Seems like a good candidate to pair with a right-handed bat, which Chris Johnson is.

...except Chris Johnson actually has reverse platoon splits in his career. So he might not be the best choice. But, still, I'd probably rather have him than Francisco against a lefty.
 
2013-02-01 03:15:27 PM

neuroflare: desertgeek: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Yeah people were saying that trade was only a winner for Arizona if they extended Prado, and bingo bango... they did.  Makes you wonder what was wrong with Upton that they'd rather take Prado immediately than try and sign a 25 year old MVP candidate long term...

Upton was already signed for another 3 years. He apparently didn't care enough to improve on some things that the Dbacks wanted him to. He didn't fit the type of player Gibson wants so off he went.

Some angry Canadian tried to call you out in a headline last night over the 'yotes but it was redlit, they probably got a ban too.


Not a shocker there. I'm pissed off enough as it is on that. /threadjack
 
2013-02-01 03:17:56 PM

The Bestest: farbekrieg: And does Arizona see itself  in this window of being a playoff cotender, otherwise you just paid full market value for a 3b when even with him you are the 4th best team in the nl west?

I see the Snakes being above the Rox, so at least 3rd.


Yeah, I agree with that. And I'm not sold on the Dodgers moves this winter so I think the Dbacks have an outside shot at 2nd, unless the Giants have another year like 2011, after winning the WS.
 
2013-02-01 03:18:54 PM

farbekrieg: But doesnt Atlanta want to give Juan Francisco every chance at 3b next year?


No.

I'm pretty sure you don't want to go in to the season with the guy you had to tell to lose weight and work harder just so you'd keep him on the team. Granted, I guess it worked for Panda.

If Juan Francisco ends up being world series mvp, I'll eat my hat.
 
2013-02-01 03:21:09 PM
wait so you are saying they are better than the padres? young team and they are moving the fences.
 
2013-02-01 03:22:44 PM

farbekrieg: wait so you are saying they are better than the padres? young team and they are moving the fences.


Moving the fences did wonders for the Mets last year.
 
2013-02-01 03:23:58 PM

farbekrieg: wait so you are saying they are better than the padres? young team and they are moving the fences.


Projected Starting Rotation
1 RHP Edinson Volquez
2 LHP Clayton Richard
3 RHP Jason Marquis
4 LHP Eric Stults
5 RHP Freddy Garcia


Sounds like a blast.
 
2013-02-01 03:24:03 PM

farbekrieg: and they are moving the fences.


So now the visiting teams won't have to beat the Padres 2-0...it'll be 7-0
 
2013-02-01 03:24:41 PM

The Bestest: farbekrieg: wait so you are saying they are better than the padres? young team and they are moving the fences.

Moving the fences did wonders for the Mets last year.


not everyone can be as inept as the mets can they?

/wait is towers still gm?
 
2013-02-01 03:27:08 PM

farbekrieg: /wait is towers still gm?


Towers is GM of the Snakes.
 
2013-02-01 03:28:18 PM

farbekrieg: wait so you are saying they are better than the padres? young team and they are moving the fences.


Any team that has Josh Brynes has GM is going to suck balls. He can not build a major league ball club.

BTW, the GM that gave Justin Upton his current contract? Josh Brynes.
 
2013-02-01 03:41:42 PM

DeWayne Mann: If Prado played through 2013, then hit the market, would anyone give him more than 3/33?

I don't know, especially since the 2013 season hasn't happened yet. But to me, this doesn't seem like much of a discount.


It's a discount if he plays like 2009, 2010 and 2012.  But it does transfer the risk of injury/poor play to the Dbacks.

I mean, do remember that Victorino just got 3/39, several years older than Prado would be next offseason and Victorino kinda sucked last year.  Prado could easily have gotten that or more if he hit free agency after a year of productive play at 3rd base.
 
2013-02-01 03:50:07 PM

GQueue: do remember that Victorino just got 3/39


In fairness, it appears that Ben Cherington decided to just give 13 mil a year to everyone. That's the AAV of Victorino, Dempster, Ortiz and Napoli's original deal.
 
2013-02-01 04:10:24 PM
i279.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-01 04:31:34 PM

desertgeek: farbekrieg: wait so you are saying they are better than the padres? young team and they are moving the fences.

Any team that has Josh Brynes has GM is going to suck balls. He can not build a major league ball club.

BTW, the GM that gave Justin Upton his current contract? Josh Brynes.


Didnt that byrnes sign eric byrnes tp that stupid contract? I forget how much we paid him to GO AWAY but i think it was about eleven freaking mill.
 
2013-02-01 04:32:55 PM
Didnt that byrnes sign eric byrnes tp that stupid contract? I forget how much we paid him to GO AWAY but i think it was about eleven freaking mill.
 
2013-02-01 05:28:53 PM

rickythepenguin: Didnt that byrnes sign eric byrnes tp that stupid contract? I forget how much we paid him to GO AWAY but i think it was about eleven freaking mill.


Yes.

/those two have given me a psychotic aversion to people with the last name of Byrnes
//rides bike off into the sunset...
 
2013-02-01 06:18:18 PM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Plus it takes a clubhouse leader like Prado out of Atlanta and puts a potential knucklehead like Upton in there instead, which as a Nats fan I find compelling


Prado was not a clubhouse leader, he was free spirited sure but not the leader. Upton will be fine, worst case is he and his brothers get into fights and work it out themselves.
 
2013-02-01 06:32:27 PM

neuroflare: /those two have given me a psychotic aversion to people with the last name of Byrnes


i head "Byrnesie" doing color on a game last season and he was talking about I think Kung Fu Panda, not sure, but anyways, Byrnes was questioning the guy's commitment.  He was like, "when you get paid that kind of salary, but you aren't committed to taking care of your body or you aren't 100% focused on the game, then buddy, you deserve to get benched."

i was like, HUH?

this is the same Byrnes that spent his last few games in SEattle running through stop signs or missing signs and just mailing it in.

Pot, meet kettle.
 
2013-02-01 06:57:32 PM

rickythepenguin: neuroflare: /those two have given me a psychotic aversion to people with the last name of Byrnes

i head "Byrnesie" doing color on a game last season and he was talking about I think Kung Fu Panda, not sure, but anyways, Byrnes was questioning the guy's commitment.  He was like, "when you get paid that kind of salary, but you aren't committed to taking care of your body or you aren't 100% focused on the game, then buddy, you deserve to get benched."

i was like, HUH?

this is the same Byrnes that spent his last few games in SEattle running through stop signs or missing signs and just mailing it in.

Pot, meet kettle.


Or leaving Ichiro out to dry on a suicide squeeze he decided he didn't want to try at the last moment.
 
2013-02-01 07:02:31 PM

rickythepenguin: Didnt that byrnes sign eric byrnes tp that stupid contract? I forget how much we paid him to GO AWAY but i think it was about eleven freaking mill.


neuroflare: rickythepenguin: Didnt that byrnes sign eric byrnes tp that stupid contract? I forget how much we paid him to GO AWAY but i think it was about eleven freaking mill.

Yes.

/those two have given me a psychotic aversion to people with the last name of Byrnes
//rides bike off into the sunset...


Actually, I think that was more forced upon Josh Brynes by ownership (namely ex-partner Jeff Moorad)
 
2013-02-01 07:17:39 PM

steamingpile: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Plus it takes a clubhouse leader like Prado out of Atlanta and puts a potential knucklehead like Upton in there instead, which as a Nats fan I find compelling

Prado was not a clubhouse leader, he was free spirited sure but not the leader. Upton will be fine, worst case is he and his brothers get into fights and work it out themselves.


Who is a leader on the Braves now?
 
2013-02-01 08:45:25 PM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: steamingpile: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Plus it takes a clubhouse leader like Prado out of Atlanta and puts a potential knucklehead like Upton in there instead, which as a Nats fan I find compelling

Prado was not a clubhouse leader, he was free spirited sure but not the leader. Upton will be fine, worst case is he and his brothers get into fights and work it out themselves.

Who is a leader on the Braves now?


McCann.
 
2013-02-01 09:22:15 PM
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/Really? I'm the only one who got the headline?
 
2013-02-01 09:49:02 PM

Get Rich or Try Dyin': Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: steamingpile: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Plus it takes a clubhouse leader like Prado out of Atlanta and puts a potential knucklehead like Upton in there instead, which as a Nats fan I find compelling

Prado was not a clubhouse leader, he was free spirited sure but not the leader. Upton will be fine, worst case is he and his brothers get into fights and work it out themselves.

Who is a leader on the Braves now?

McCann.


Pretty much, Prado was never a leader at all that was chipper and I assume Freddy keeps shiat in check more as well. His not acquiescing to prim Donna douches is what got him fired in Miami, that worked out well for them didn't it?
 
2013-02-01 10:20:17 PM

steamingpile: His not acquiescing to prim Donna douches is what got him fired in Miami, that worked out well for them didn't it?


Jeffery Loria does not suffer competent managers.
 
2013-02-01 10:40:51 PM

Get Rich or Try Dyin': Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: steamingpile: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Plus it takes a clubhouse leader like Prado out of Atlanta and puts a potential knucklehead like Upton in there instead, which as a Nats fan I find compelling

Prado was not a clubhouse leader, he was free spirited sure but not the leader. Upton will be fine, worst case is he and his brothers get into fights and work it out themselves.

Who is a leader on the Braves now?

McCann.


He's hanging by a thread. If he misses a big chunk of the upcoming season (again) he's probably gone
 
2013-02-01 11:32:31 PM
 
2013-02-02 01:50:19 AM

RogerClemente: /Really? I'm the only one who got the headline?


Psst. That's not the joke
 
2013-02-02 02:41:57 AM

Get Rich or Try Dyin': Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: steamingpile: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Plus it takes a clubhouse leader like Prado out of Atlanta and puts a potential knucklehead like Upton in there instead, which as a Nats fan I find compelling

Prado was not a clubhouse leader, he was free spirited sure but not the leader. Upton will be fine, worst case is he and his brothers get into fights and work it out themselves.

Who is a leader on the Braves now?

McCann.


Who cares?  If all the guys play well, that'll be enough.  Besides, there's still Tim Hudson.  Uggla's somehow going to be 33 next year.  And McCann, too.

/also, the braves suck and I hope they lose everything forever.
 
2013-02-02 07:23:55 AM

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Get Rich or Try Dyin': Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: steamingpile: Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: Plus it takes a clubhouse leader like Prado out of Atlanta and puts a potential knucklehead like Upton in there instead, which as a Nats fan I find compelling

Prado was not a clubhouse leader, he was free spirited sure but not the leader. Upton will be fine, worst case is he and his brothers get into fights and work it out themselves.

Who is a leader on the Braves now?

McCann.

He's hanging by a thread. If he misses a big chunk of the upcoming season (again) he's probably gone


He's probably gone anyway.

Medlen, Freeman, Heyward, O'Ventrel will all be getting arb raises for the near future. And, probably some long term deals.

So, with the Uptons both taking up the "big deal" space on the team...I doubt the Braves are going to want to match whatever an American League team can offer.
 
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