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(Wired)   It's the end of the web as we know it. Do you feel fine?   (wired.com) divider line 48
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2013-02-01 09:11:03 AM
www.greenchameleon.com
 
2013-02-01 09:15:51 AM
So in the end it's LILO and the good stuff that SHOULD STAND THE TEST OF TIME gets shoved to the back of the DRAWER and ends up in an unreachable pile along with paper clips, a rubber band, two or three thumbtacks and the odd bit of porn hidden from the supervisor.

Project Gutenberg destroys time. It makes time irrelevant.

My latest pics of my boobs or Justin Bieber's thoughts on macaroni destroy Project Gutenberg. They make Project Gutenberg irrelevant.
 
2013-02-01 09:16:26 AM
LIFO dammit LIFO
 
2013-02-01 09:16:38 AM
The space-based web we currently have will gradually be replaced by a time-based worldstream. It's already happening, and it all began with the lifestream

Yes, but which of the four simultaneous days is this occurring in?
 
2013-02-01 09:19:08 AM
When the first smart phone applications came out and were largely useful and served a purpose I thought that it was what the Internet was supposed to be in the first place. And I thought it spelled the beginning of the end of web browsing. There is always going to be a need for Wiki and Google and the results they generate, but static web pages that only provide information and cost the owner money to host will likely fade away.

And how come no one calls it the Information Super Highway anymore?

/Looked at my old Tripod site last night and saw a page of "Stuff I like"d and noticed the Netscape icon. Boy, I was living on the edge in those days.
 
2013-02-01 09:23:56 AM
I want some of what he's smoking since he's clearly tripping balls.

/One word: Timecube
 
2013-02-01 09:26:10 AM

Land Ark: When the first smart phone applications came out and were largely useful and served a purpose I thought that it was what the Internet was supposed to be in the first place. And I thought it spelled the beginning of the end of web browsing. There is always going to be a need for Wiki and Google and the results they generate, but static web pages that only provide information and cost the owner money to host will likely fade away.

And how come no one calls it the Information Super Highway anymore?

/Looked at my old Tripod site last night and saw a page of "Stuff I like"d and noticed the Netscape icon. Boy, I was living on the edge in those days.


Google Shopping used to be my favorite site. I could find a low price on anything for sale. Google changed Shopping to a pay to list site for sellers. I need organized information clearly presented in order to make an informed buying decision.

It's worthless to me now. If anyone knows of a site that does what Google Shopping does, send me a postcard please.
 
2013-02-01 09:42:10 AM
Crikey.  That article was worse than Necromancer.
 
2013-02-01 09:46:42 AM
Fill in the blank: The internet is for ______!

Unless everyone starts to livestream all of the things they do in the bedroom, this article is dead in the water.
 
2013-02-01 10:05:09 AM
Visionary? This guy had some interesting ideas, some of which sorta happened.
 
2013-02-01 10:10:47 AM
I have no idea if that article is a revolutionary insight into how the internet works or if the writer is legitimately mentally ill. The inclusion of a timecube-esque napkin drawing in an attempt to explain the concept certainly points towards the latter.
 
2013-02-01 10:13:19 AM

Jack Spectacular: Fill in the blank: The internet is for _Porn_!

Unless everyone starts to livestream all of the things they do in the bedroom, this article is dead in the water.


Filled.
 
2013-02-01 10:13:41 AM
Just don't let Shinra near the lifestream...
 
kab
2013-02-01 10:23:48 AM
So it's more or less a different view of how things work now?  OK.

The other change that is happening, and will continue to, is basically web 'unification', thanks mainly to social media.   That unification will continue its slow merge with the commerce side of things.  The final step there is to get all users onto the same browsing platform so it can then be limited (ie, enjoy your no-script plugins while you have them), because gosh-darn it, content should be seen the same way by everyone.

And the wild-west, anything goes net you might have grown up with will by and large be history.
 
2013-02-01 10:29:42 AM

kab: And the wild-west, anything goes net you might have grown up with will by and large be history.




Until activists make a new one. And when things get bad enough, they(we) will.
 
2013-02-01 10:34:31 AM

kab: So it's more or less a different view of how things work now?  OK.

The other change that is happening, and will continue to, is basically web 'unification', thanks mainly to social media.   That unification will continue its slow merge with the commerce side of things.  The final step there is to get all users onto the same browsing platform so it can then be limited (ie, enjoy your no-script plugins while you have them), because gosh-darn it, content should be seen the same way by everyone.

And the wild-west, anything goes net you might have grown up with will by and large be history.


It already is: behold, a website that greenlights the same links to the same sites day after day.
 
2013-02-01 10:43:49 AM
If Wired writers were any good at predicting things, that article would be printed in silver text on a blue background, like Wired Magazine in the 1990s, and not black text on a white background, like everything since the invention of ink and bleached paper.
 
2013-02-01 10:52:15 AM
It looks increasingly like I will end up being an antisocial luddite because I refuse to send out updates on what I had for breakfast on three different social media sites.

And I feel perfectly ok with that.
 
2013-02-01 10:52:50 AM

Jack Spectacular: Fill in the blank: The internet is for

porn & ______!

Unless everyone starts to livestream all of the things they do in the bedroom, this article is dead in the water.


FTFY
 
2013-02-01 11:06:48 AM

Cluckity: kab: And the wild-west, anything goes net you might have grown up with will by and large be history.



Until activists make a new one. And when things get bad enough, they(we) will.


I'm relatively new to the web, especially by the standards of this writer, and probably a lot of you folks. Was there a Wild West period?

What this guy is describing seems like a small tweak of what's there now. Am I missing some big change?
 
2013-02-01 11:17:11 AM

Arkanaut: The space-based web we currently have will gradually be replaced by a time-based worldstream. It's already happening, and it all began with the lifestream

Yes, but which of the four simultaneous days is this occurring in?


Adalius: I want some of what he's smoking since he's clearly tripping balls.

/One word: Timecube


I think we're done here.
 
2013-02-01 11:39:16 AM
When every single template is designed for the stupid dinkyphones. Like listening to FLAC on a transistor radio. Backward.
 
2013-02-01 11:41:35 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: It looks increasingly like I will end up being an antisocial luddite because I refuse to send out updates on what I had for breakfast on three different social media sites.

And I feel perfectly ok with that.


I'm with you homie.
 
2013-02-01 11:55:18 AM
I don't quite understand this article. Can someone explain why this is a big deal?

Don't we already have the option to use google search tools for limiting results to past 24 hours, past week, past year, etc.?
 
2013-02-01 12:04:37 PM
I guess I'm an old dinosaur, because what is described in that article doesn't appeal to me whatsoever. I don't use twitter, I don't use facebook, and I don't particularly care what's happening *right now* all the time. I don't quite know what an RSS feed is, and I read very few blogs. Unlike what's said in the article, I do want to be connected to sites, and the idea of blending them all together into a stream makes me uneasy.
 
2013-02-01 12:30:28 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-01 12:30:31 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: LIFO dammit LIFO


I prefer GRUB
 
2013-02-01 12:36:20 PM
This lifestream - a heterogeneous, content-searchable, real-time messaging stream - arrived in the form of blog posts and RSS feeds, Twitter and other chatstreams, and Facebook walls and timelines. Its structure represented a shift beyond the "flatland known as the desktop" (where our interfaces ignored the temporal dimension) towards streams, which flow and can therefore serve as a concrete representation of time.

Translation: the future of the Internet is TV.
 
2013-02-01 12:47:19 PM
I just used IMDB to find out Lainie Kazan appeared in Playboy in 1970. Good luck.
 
2013-02-01 12:53:25 PM

moviemarketing: I don't quite understand this article. Can someone explain why this is a big deal?


My takeaway was that the author made some predictions 16 years ago, and decided recently that he needed a boost to his ego.
 
2013-02-01 12:54:53 PM
i.imm.io
 
2013-02-01 01:03:31 PM

Cornelius Dribble: This lifestream - a heterogeneous, content-searchable, real-time messaging stream - arrived in the form of blog posts and RSS feeds, Twitter and other chatstreams, and Facebook walls and timelines. Its structure represented a shift beyond the "flatland known as the desktop" (where our interfaces ignored the temporal dimension) towards streams, which flow and can therefore serve as a concrete representation of time.

Translation: the future of the Internet is TV.

This is the best example of why the author is talking shiat. Look at the relationship between tv and the Internet. Live (or time) performances are on their way out as more on demand services like Netflix make more content. Other things like podcasts, archived articles and image hosting services are making the permanent web (space) bigger.

Just because we have found a useful way to use timelines to get rid of superfluous stuff like tweets, Facebook updates and this post I think everyone has learned that he Internet is written in permanent ink.

The author uses a rather simple notion to infer his prediction is correct but content has been arranged by time forever and the only way it wouldn't be is if time were somehow perceived to be non linear or content was no longer created in time.

TL:DR Even the Mayans had a Calander
 
2013-02-01 01:04:26 PM

jack21221: I guess I'm an old dinosaur, because what is described in that article doesn't appeal to me whatsoever. I don't use twitter, I don't use facebook, and I don't particularly care what's happening *right now* all the time. I don't quite know what an RSS feed is, and I read very few blogs. Unlike what's said in the article, I do want to be connected to sites, and the idea of blending them all together into a stream makes me uneasy.


I do use Twitter and FB, but I'm with you. I like "rummaging around" to see what I can find instead of having predetermined things fed to me. I want it aaaalllllllllll.
 
2013-02-01 01:15:57 PM
The space-based web we currently have will gradually be replaced by a time-based worldstream. It's already happening, and it all began with the  lifestream, a phenomenon that I (with Eric Freeman) predicted in the 1990s and shared in the pages of Wired almost exactly 16 years ago.

Like most articles, this one starts with what the author considers the most important information. In this case, "I have been right since forever and will continue to be ever more right in the future, as reality catches up with my brilliant prediction."

As untestable hypotheses go, "cyber-stuff is going to get more 'time-y' than 'space-ish' in the future" is a pretty good one, no more easily nailed to the wall than hospital Jell-O. Kudos for putting down your marker on it, guy. Have a Wired article.
 
2013-02-01 01:33:26 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: LIFO dammit LIFO


From what I've seen and heard of Facebook etc. it should be GIGO.

Garbage In Garbage Out.
 
2013-02-01 02:29:23 PM
This is the same magazine that spent its first decade trying to convince us that magazines were dead.
 
2013-02-01 02:54:29 PM
Phhhhhttt.  Are they going to livestream the Deepnet, too?  In real time?  In my RSS feed?
 
2013-02-01 02:59:45 PM
And for this stuff the Unabomber targets him?  The whole universe, as Mr. Natural has said, is completely insane.
 
2013-02-01 03:33:28 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Land Ark: When the first smart phone applications came out and were largely useful and served a purpose I thought that it was what the Internet was supposed to be in the first place. And I thought it spelled the beginning of the end of web browsing. There is always going to be a need for Wiki and Google and the results they generate, but static web pages that only provide information and cost the owner money to host will likely fade away.

And how come no one calls it the Information Super Highway anymore?

/Looked at my old Tripod site last night and saw a page of "Stuff I like"d and noticed the Netscape icon. Boy, I was living on the edge in those days.

Google Shopping used to be my favorite site. I could find a low price on anything for sale. Google changed Shopping to a pay to list site for sellers. I need organized information clearly presented in order to make an informed buying decision.

It's worthless to me now. If anyone knows of a site that does what Google Shopping does, send me a postcard please.


Vendors HATE unification. Brand is way more than an image of one thing side by side. If all clothing stores were merged onto one page, suddenly you have Gucci next to Nike. You have Mercedes next to a Toyota. This consumer mentality of "getting a good deal" isn't necessarily true for most purchases, especially ones where the VALUE isn't necessarily seen. This is exceptionally true when you have products or transactions that combine services. Restaurants for example. There are a ton of fantastic places, but with terrible waitstaff. You are not only buying a meal, but the EXPERIENCE. Vendors cannot really sell their experience when they are placed side by side other products that aren't even in the realm of the same quality.

I want to bang my head against a wall when we deal with customers on a daily basis that think everything is the same so they just look at the bottom line price. While price is most certainly important, VALUE is even more so. Consumers are not very educated and simplifying the experience is very dangerous.

Further, the author makes a bold claim saying that "private data" will cease to exist on the web? Uh, no.
 
2013-02-01 04:25:19 PM

Copperbelly watersnake: It looks increasingly like I will end up being an antisocial luddite because I refuse to send out updates on what I had for breakfast on three different social media sites.

And I feel perfectly ok with that.


I wanna, know, dammit! Tell me what you ate! Post it! This is important!
 
2013-02-01 05:04:01 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-01 06:12:14 PM
Yep.  4 simultaneous days same earth rotation. Practicing evil ONEness upon Earth Of Quadrants - ignoring cubic 4-day creation. Yep.
 
2013-02-01 07:02:05 PM
Everyone stop posting, the internet is dead.
 
2013-02-01 08:51:33 PM

jack21221: I don't quite know what an RSS feed is


More less just a formatted list of (usually chronological) stuff. Think of Fark's main page. But it could be headlines, it could be headlines and a paragraph, or maybe a photo. Except you don't have to keep hitting F5, it just scrolls when there's new stuff.

Actually, here. It's this http://www.fark.com/fark.rss
 
2013-02-01 09:11:52 PM

ProfessorOhki: jack21221: I don't quite know what an RSS feed is

More less just a formatted list of (usually chronological) stuff. Think of Fark's main page. But it could be headlines, it could be headlines and a paragraph, or maybe a photo. Except you don't have to keep hitting F5, it just scrolls when there's new stuff.

Actually, here. It's this http://www.fark.com/fark.rss


That's a wall of code. :-/
 
2013-02-01 09:14:45 PM

jack21221: ProfessorOhki: jack21221: I don't quite know what an RSS feed is

More less just a formatted list of (usually chronological) stuff. Think of Fark's main page. But it could be headlines, it could be headlines and a paragraph, or maybe a photo. Except you don't have to keep hitting F5, it just scrolls when there's new stuff.

Actually, here. It's this http://www.fark.com/fark.rss

That's a wall of code. :-/


Oh, well, if you look at it in Firefox it's a simplified display with an option to book mark and automatically notify when updated :(
 
2013-02-02 05:09:19 PM
OK, it's been firmly established that this author is speaking out of his ass, but I feel the need to mention that teporal-based recording and searching has been around long before the web, in the form of USENET. This damn fool thinks that somehow just because Facebook is (regrettably) the dominant style and method of interaction right now that this is the way it always will be.

Facebook is the flavour of the month, and if they keep breaking things instead of improving them, they will go the way of MySpace, GeoCities and Yahoo before them.

He's not even right about wikipedia or other sources, since from the beginning those have always been temporal-based and searchable in that way. Temporal-based posting and searching was the only way that made sense for newspapers and magazines to have a web presence.

And all that's without talking about searching the microfiche at the local library for old magazines and periodicals.

This writer is an idiot.
 
2013-02-02 07:01:34 PM
This is what happens when a wacko who did a little too much LDS in the 60s happens to be right once or twice. He then assumes he's right for the rest of time and the media will then listen to him, no matter how stupid he sounds.
 
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