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2013-02-01 10:27:59 AM  

WhippingBoy: Bullshiat. So if I go to a kindergarten school bus stop and start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs, people should just mind their business and "let me do my thing"?


CSB: the local planned parenthood holds abortions on Wednesdays.  This prompted the usual religious folk to stand outside with graphic, poster-sized placards of fetuses that have been "aborted" (though "having been through a meat grinder" is probably a more appropriate description- which in turn wonders at how much money changes hands for these people to eventually wind up with this sort of photography).

Problem: The local middle school bus route runs right by there at protest prime-time.  Parents were apparently upset that their loinspawn were exposed to this kind of imagery.

The protesters- people who might in different circumstances, be found making the very same sort of complaint over sex education in schools, had this to say:

"It's good for the young children to see these things.  It will deter them from doing it themselves."

Aside from the rampant hypocrisy of this sort of juxtaposition, there's a rather severe logic problem: namely that- by this rationale, making my 3-year-old watch Faces of Death at least five times a day  should make him the most mild-mannered child going.

Anyway, just thought I'd share.  It apparently seems to me mostly an issue of "what I don't like", and far less an issue of "thinking about the children".
 
2013-02-01 10:29:31 AM  
why is it that the weirdos of the world get to dictate what age my kids are when they come into contact with this crap?

I know kids ask questions and those questions need to be answered honestly. I get that.

dopekitty74: Just tell the kid people are different and some people like the way the collar looks and feels.


WHY? WHY? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??? is the incessant cry of the child. And "because" isnt going to cut it. If you cant give them an answer they will take it to a teacher or something similar: "Teacher - why does the girl outside my house like the way collars feel?"  Its not so simple as just brushing their questions away with dumbed down answers.

What they are doing is just plain rude. Whats wrong with polite discourse? The worst thing that can happen is the girl keeps walking her friend in some misguided defiance of your request.

Be polite. Explain WHY its an issue and try to give an alternate option that is reasonable and not some backhanded compromise. Try to find someway to put them into your shoes and let them see things from your perspective. The whole explaining in a nonthreatening manner and then trying to compromise thing can be uncomfortable -- but it works. For some reason i can't explain; acting like a kind, reasonable, considerate and intelligent human being who is willing to listen WORKS.

Its uncomfortable and WAY harder to do than it sounds but it gets really great results. You just need them to sit back for even a half a second to ask themselves "Am i being a jerk?"  and allot of people will feel guilty about causing such a nice person such discomfort. but lets look at what can go right and wrong-
1: The girl agrees and changes her schedule. You thank them. Your child plays innocent and happy.
2: The crazy biatch snaps and bites your nose off like a crazy Saigon whore... You call the police and she is arrested and good thing to because seriously who does that?
3: they flip you off with a rude comment and continue their doggy walks. Nothing has changed i suppose so NOW its time to start worrying about the kids.

Asking strangers to stop behaviour you find innapropriate is really tough to do. just think -- 98% of people are genuinely nice and are deep inside trying to be good people. Even weirdo lesbo S&M practitioners.

Ignoring it just seems like a big complicated adult version of the cold shoulder game kids use to exert power in groups. Its dealing with the problem in the most passive aggressive way possible.
 
2013-02-01 10:30:35 AM  
Masturbate vigorously when they approach you.

They'll soon get the hint.
 
2013-02-01 10:30:39 AM  
Okay, i think we're taking tolerance too far if we have to just deal with crazy assholes leading othe crazy assholes around on a leash in public.

These deranged freaks should have bricks thrown at them.
 
2013-02-01 10:31:52 AM  

WhippingBoy: But if it's not, people must should STFU and mind their own business.


Don't worry, you're still free to be an asshole if you want too.
 
2013-02-01 10:32:22 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: These deranged freaks should have bricks thrown at them.


What if they also derive pleasure having bricks thrown at them?
 
2013-02-01 10:32:28 AM  

mikefinch: why is it that the weirdos of the world get to dictate what age my kids are when they come into contact with this crap?

I know kids ask questions and those questions need to be answered honestly. I get that.

dopekitty74: Just tell the kid people are different and some people like the way the collar looks and feels.

WHY? WHY? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??? is the incessant cry of the child. And "because" isnt going to cut it. If you cant give them an answer they will take it to a teacher or something similar: "Teacher - why does the girl outside my house like the way collars feel?"  Its not so simple as just brushing their questions away with dumbed down answers.

What they are doing is just plain rude. Whats wrong with polite discourse? The worst thing that can happen is the girl keeps walking her friend in some misguided defiance of your request.

Be polite. Explain WHY its an issue and try to give an alternate option that is reasonable and not some backhanded compromise. Try to find someway to put them into your shoes and let them see things from your perspective. The whole explaining in a nonthreatening manner and then trying to compromise thing can be uncomfortable -- but it works. For some reason i can't explain; acting like a kind, reasonable, considerate and intelligent human being who is willing to listen WORKS.

Its uncomfortable and WAY harder to do than it sounds but it gets really great results. You just need them to sit back for even a half a second to ask themselves "Am i being a jerk?"  and allot of people will feel guilty about causing such a nice person such discomfort. but lets look at what can go right and wrong-
1: The girl agrees and changes her schedule. You thank them. Your child plays innocent and happy.
2: The crazy biatch snaps and bites your nose off like a crazy Saigon whore... You call the police and she is arrested and good thing to because seriously who does that?
3: they flip you off with a rude comment and continue their doggy walks. Nothing has changed i suppose so NOW its time to start worrying about the kids.

Asking strangers to stop behaviour you find innapropriate is really tough to do. just think -- 98% of people are genuinely nice and are deep inside trying to be good people. Even weirdo lesbo S&M practitioners.

Ignoring it just seems like a big complicated adult version of the cold shoulder game kids use to exert power in groups. Its dealing with the problem in the most passive aggressive way possible.


Okay, that sounds reasonable as a first step. But if they persist, I think my brick idea is worth a shot.
 
2013-02-01 10:32:37 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Okay, i think we're taking tolerance too far if we have to just deal with crazy assholes leading othe crazy assholes around on a leash in public.

These deranged freaks should have bricks thrown at them.


0/10
 
2013-02-01 10:34:00 AM  
If the leash is shorter than 6 feet long, report the dom to the ASPCA.
 
2013-02-01 10:34:21 AM  

SkunkWerks: Debeo Summa Credo: These deranged freaks should have bricks thrown at them.

What if they also derive pleasure having bricks thrown at them?


D'oh!!!!

You win again, deranged freaks!!
 
2013-02-01 10:34:45 AM  

mikefinch: why is it that the weirdos of the world get to dictate what age my kids are when they come into contact with this crap?


If you don't like your children being exposed to the people of the world (of which "weirdos" represent a significant portion), you're free to keep them sequestered safely at home for as long as you like.
 
2013-02-01 10:36:03 AM  

ReverendJasen: WhippingBoy: But if it's not, people must should STFU and mind their own business.

Don't worry, you're still free to be an asshole if you want too.


And you're free to tell me to stfu if you want to. I don't see a problem with that.
 
2013-02-01 10:36:17 AM  

ReverendJasen: mikefinch: why is it that the weirdos of the world get to dictate what age my kids are when they come into contact with this crap?

If you don't like your children being exposed to the people of the world (of which "weirdos" represent a significant portion), you're free to keep them sequestered safely at home for as long as you like.


It's called "Home-Schooling", typically.
 
2013-02-01 10:38:11 AM  
I'd better not hear any of you complain about the Westboro Baptist Church any more.
 
2013-02-01 10:39:19 AM  
Two lesbians out for a stroll
Elicited comments quite droll.
"I'm not irked in the least
By the use of your leash
I'm just annoyed that you're a troll"
 
2013-02-01 10:39:47 AM  

mikefinch: WHY? WHY? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??? is the incessant cry of the child. And "because" isnt going to cut it. If you cant give them an answer they will take it to a teacher or something similar: "Teacher - why does the girl outside my house like the way collars feel?" Its not so simple as just brushing their questions away with dumbed down answers.


Well, here's the thing about that. Telling the kid in the article that they were pretending was apparently good enough. It'll be good enough for a lot of kids because they understand the concept of playing and having fun. Where you run into the recursive whys is when you start trying out lame explanations of stuff you don't really understand yourself, such as the classic "Why is the sky blue?"

And even if your explanation of the couple doesn't prevent the "Why," asking the couple to stop their public leash play or reschedule it or whatever isn't going to unask the question. The kid's already seen it. You have to deal with the situation at hand.
 
2013-02-01 10:44:00 AM  

WhippingBoy: december: WhippingBoy: By going out in public, these people have made it everyone's business

you're equivocating.

public space belongs to no one, which means no one gets to tell others how to act in public. that's what people mean when they say "mind your business".

Bullshiat. So if I go to a kindergarten school bus stop and start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs, people should just mind their business and "let me do my thing"?


There may be laws against the obscenities you are screaming, or laws against the volume at which you are screaming.  If so, then the authorities should deal with you appropriately.

If you are not breaking any laws, then yes, people SHOULD mind their own business.  That's why we have laws in the first place - to codify what is and what is not permissible conduct should you wish to live within the particular society which enacts those laws.

\one would have thought that somewhere along the line, you would have learned this by now...
 
2013-02-01 10:44:31 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I'll just drop this here.
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dear god in heaven
 
2013-02-01 10:44:52 AM  

Secret Agent X23: You tell the kid they're pretending, the kid accepts it... Unless I'm missing something here, there's no need to go into further detail.


Show me these children who care so little about the fine details. I'm not sure "they're pretending" would have kept me off the adults back for long when i was a kid.

Kids get wise. They have big ears and big mouths and they use those two things to question everything their big eyes see and everything their dirty little hands touch.
 
2013-02-01 10:45:03 AM  
I think the real question is paintball or pellet gun...
 
2013-02-01 10:49:09 AM  

mikefinch: Show me these children who care so little about the fine details. I'm not sure "they're pretending" would have kept me off the adults back for long when i was a kid.


Maybe it wouldn't have. But "They're pretending" is what you try first. Because, as I said--and this is probably the more important part of what I said--you have to deal with the situation at hand. At this point the kid has already seen the couple, and she's not going to unsee them, and you don't have a time machine that would allow you to go back and prevent it. If the "whys" are coming, they're coming regardless of what you do or say.
 
2013-02-01 10:49:52 AM  

mikefinch: Secret Agent X23: You tell the kid they're pretending, the kid accepts it... Unless I'm missing something here, there's no need to go into further detail.

Show me these children who care so little about the fine details. I'm not sure "they're pretending" would have kept me off the adults back for long when i was a kid.

Kids get wise. They have big ears and big mouths and they use those two things to question everything their big eyes see and everything their dirty little hands touch.


The obvious answer is to medicate that behavior out of them.
 
2013-02-01 10:51:58 AM  

WaitWhatWhy: Maybe just buy one of these for your kid and start taking them for walks.
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This is excellent, but you need to kick it up a notch. Have the kid wear a homemade gimp suit and ball gag. Tell the couple that they have inspired you to think outside your staid, hetero-normative, suburban paradigm.
 
2013-02-01 10:55:41 AM  
I don't know why I waste my breath. I'm clearly too stupid to make any sort of salient point...
 
2013-02-01 10:55:45 AM  

WhippingBoy: abhorrent1: WhippingBoy: Bullshiat. So if I go to a kindergarten school bus stop and start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs, people should just mind their business and "let me do my thing"?

Walking down the street, with your girlfriend on a leash minding your own business is a little different that what you describe. Which could actually be disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct, which are both arrestable offenses.

But if it's not, people must STFU and mind their own business.


Exactly.
 
2013-02-01 10:56:27 AM  

sundance1028: I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.


ORLY?

FTA: "My four-year old daughter asked me why the lady was wearing a leash. I told her that she was pretending to be a dog and that the other lady was playing the owner. My daughter loves inventing her own play scenarios and easily accepted my explanation."

Sounds like it took all of 10 seconds. Must've been brutal.


That having been said I just have to know out of curiosity - where is your line? There have to be some kinds of behavior that are unacceptable in public and I just want to know what would finally cross that line for you? I personally find the behavior of the couple in question rude, selfish and attention whorish at best. I'm fine with whatever they want to do in their own home/bedroom/torture chamber and I don't care about the gay/lesbian thing either. But there's gotta be a line somewhere. Where's yours?


Personally, nudity or blatant sexual acts would be my line. Were they fondling each other? Sloppily making out? Not even, apparently. They were just walking around, but one happened top have a leash around her neck. AWish? Perhaps, but nothing I would be offended by.
 
2013-02-01 10:58:29 AM  

Savage Bacon: sundance1028: I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.

ORLY?

FTA: "My four-year old daughter asked me why the lady was wearing a leash. I told her that she was pretending to be a dog and that the other lady was playing the owner. My daughter loves inventing her own play scenarios and easily accepted my explanation."

Sounds like it took all of 10 seconds. Must've been brutal.


That having been said I just have to know out of curiosity - where is your line? There have to be some kinds of behavior that are unacceptable in public and I just want to know what would finally cross that line for you? I personally find the behavior of the couple in question rude, selfish and attention whorish at best. I'm fine with whatever they want to do in their own home/bedroom/torture chamber and I don't care about the gay/lesbian thing either. But there's gotta be a line somewhere. Where's yours?


Personally, nudity or blatant sexual acts would be my line. Were they fondling each other? Sloppily making out? Not even, apparently. They were just walking around, but one happened top have a leash around her neck. AWish? Perhaps, but nothing I would be offended by.


You're not allowed to have a "line" unless everyone else has that same line.
 
2013-02-01 11:00:36 AM  
Just tell your kid the truth.  The couple have mental issues and can't help it.  They shouldn't be laughed at or put down, or approached.
 
2013-02-01 11:02:28 AM  
I live the BDSM life every day, and my slaves are collared 24/7. In fact the Collar of Intent is literally a dog collar from Petco, complete with vibrant color. I however would never parade my slave outside in public on a leash because while it is consensual between us, it is not for any bystanders. There are plenty of BDSM events to take them out on a leash, where people are voluntarily submitting themselves to witness things that push the envelope of normal human behavior. Your neighbors, ya not so much and that kind of play is considered BORK and not RACK.
 
2013-02-01 11:05:47 AM  

WhippingBoy: You're not allowed to have a "line" unless everyone else has that same line.


I imagine that there would be something of a normal distribution as far as "line" goes, and the general norms of behavior are right about the middle of that grouping.  What the heck, lets put out a scale out there and see how FARK rates.

1   Lesbian SM couple in gear standing idly.
2   Lesbian SM couple holding hands in leash
3   Lesbian SM couple going for "walkies" in leash
4   Lesbian SM couple making out sloppily in leash or punishing one another in some way
5   Lesbian SM couple partially disrobed and getting sexual.
I draw my line at 3.3


/FARK needs a survey HTML button for stuff like this.
 
2013-02-01 11:09:05 AM  

miss diminutive: take responsibility for raising them and answering their questions about the world they're in instead of thrusting the responsibility on others to alter their behaviour to fit your particular idea of what the world should be.


so are we getting any closer to the definition of "traditional gender roles" yet?

i told you that fark was an expert on this subject:

just good old fashioned traditional gender roles

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i guess they take turns wearing the apron :D
 
2013-02-01 11:13:43 AM  

Tax Boy: [imageshack.us image 624x600]


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That^ is sexist, and you should be ashamed

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however this is a documentary of the Progress in America, good on you
 
2013-02-01 11:14:40 AM  

WhippingBoy: Savage Bacon: sundance1028: I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.

ORLY?

FTA: "My four-year old daughter asked me why the lady was wearing a leash. I told her that she was pretending to be a dog and that the other lady was playing the owner. My daughter loves inventing her own play scenarios and easily accepted my explanation."

Sounds like it took all of 10 seconds. Must've been brutal.


That having been said I just have to know out of curiosity - where is your line? There have to be some kinds of behavior that are unacceptable in public and I just want to know what would finally cross that line for you? I personally find the behavior of the couple in question rude, selfish and attention whorish at best. I'm fine with whatever they want to do in their own home/bedroom/torture chamber and I don't care about the gay/lesbian thing either. But there's gotta be a line somewhere. Where's yours?


Personally, nudity or blatant sexual acts would be my line. Were they fondling each other? Sloppily making out? Not even, apparently. They were just walking around, but one happened top have a leash around her neck. AWish? Perhaps, but nothing I would be offended by.

You're not allowed to have a "line" unless everyone else has that same line.


Thing is, the first part of my line is also law. As far as I know, public nudity/sexual activity is illegal (except some places where women may expose their chests, as men can), hence, it's the official "line" laid down by the laws everyone obeys if they want to keep living in society. As to the second part, I'm not quite sure about the specifics said laws have about fondling or making out heavily, but since the article doesn't mention any of that taking place, it's a moot point. Would I be offended if people groped each other in full view of the public? Probably, but I wouldn't expect everyone to have the exact same reaction as me.
 
2013-02-01 11:18:03 AM  

WhippingBoy: You're not allowed to have a "line" unless everyone else has that same line.


where to draw the line is both a philosophical and a legal question. As a legal matter there are all kinds of unprotected forms of speech and expression -- obscenity, fraud, deceptive advertising, noise and nuisance laws, inciting a riot, and in some countries, hate-speech. So there is a mostly bright line as a matter of law.

as a philosophical matter, things are trickier. For example, the current laws on obscenity include a deference to "community standards." But we can reasonably disagree about whether the standards of the community should have any relevance at all. You seem to think they should, and that why what you do in public is sometimes other people's business. Other people have argued against that, essentially saying that offending people should be a right we all have, even if it's mostly assholes who take advantage of this right.
 
2013-02-01 11:19:20 AM  
What they're doing isn't illegal. So the rest of this is just simple bigoted hyperbole.

If you change this story just slightly to "The lesbian couple down the street was out walking together, holding hands and I was terribly uncomfortable with that." then the bullshiat in the is argument becomes painfully obvious.

Two people that I don't know were doing something completely legal that I don't like, so I want them to stop and I'll hide behind my children to make it seem defensible.

If you change the bullshiat in this thread from "Pat her on the head" and "throw her a bone" to "ask which one is the husband" and "throw Leviticus tracts at them" the there is no practical difference.

Or

"I'm think that miscegenation is terrible. Why do these attention whores have to walk around my neighborhood expressing themselves freely and legally? How do I explain mixed race couples to my small child? They ask a lot of questions at that age. Why can't they just keep it behind closed doors?"
 
2013-02-01 11:25:28 AM  

Endive Wombat: gopher321: Just say to your kid, "They're crazy people. Stay away from them."

That is pretty much what I would say.  There is no need to come up with things like "they are playing puppy and owner" or even attempt to explain that the one on the leash appreciates the humiliation aspect of a BDSM lifestyle.  Keep it simple - "They are weird and crazy, stay away..."

Also, it is none of your damn business, as long as they are not doing any pubic displays of sexual behavior, keep to yourself.


Yeah, that's how we raise our kids! If people do something different they're obviously insane, stay away from them!

/Seriously? They're obnoxious as all get-out and I would laugh my ass off if the local cops pointed out that it's probably violating an obscenity law or two, but 'weird and crazy, stay away'? They aren't insane and pose no danger to anyone in the park. They're just weird and obnoxious. Teaching kids to be scared of that is not going to end well for the kid.
 
2013-02-01 11:25:55 AM  

Savage Bacon: sundance1028: I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.

ORLY?

FTA: "My four-year old daughter asked me why the lady was wearing a leash. I told her that she was pretending to be a dog and that the other lady was playing the owner. My daughter loves inventing her own play scenarios and easily accepted my explanation."

Sounds like it took all of 10 seconds. Must've been brutal.


yeah deceiving your kids is way more quicker and easier lulz

that's the best way to raise em

i'm ok you're ok, the next time you and your kids see some creepy old dude luring some small children into a van with candy, don't judge him just tell your kid that he is pretending to be an adult film director, and lulz at it

lolz lolz lulz
 
2013-02-01 11:26:06 AM  

mikefinch: why is it that the weirdos of the world get to dictate what age my kids are when they come into contact with this crap?

I know kids ask questions and those questions need to be answered honestly. I get that.

dopekitty74: Just tell the kid people are different and some people like the way the collar looks and feels.

WHY? WHY? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??? is the incessant cry of the child. And "because" isnt going to cut it. If you cant give them an answer they will take it to a teacher or something similar: "Teacher - why does the girl outside my house like the way collars feel?"  Its not so simple as just brushing their questions away with dumbed down answers.

What they are doing is just plain rude. Whats wrong with polite discourse? The worst thing that can happen is the girl keeps walking her friend in some misguided defiance of your request.

Be polite. Explain WHY its an issue and try to give an alternate option that is reasonable and not some backhanded compromise. Try to find someway to put them into your shoes and let them see things from your perspective. The whole explaining in a nonthreatening manner and then trying to compromise thing can be uncomfortable -- but it works. For some reason i can't explain; acting like a kind, reasonable, considerate and intelligent human being who is willing to listen WORKS.

Its uncomfortable and WAY harder to do than it sounds but it gets really great results. You just need them to sit back for even a half a second to ask themselves "Am i being a jerk?"  and allot of people will feel guilty about causing such a nice person such discomfort. but lets look at what can go right and wrong-
1: The girl agrees and changes her schedule. You thank them. Your child plays innocent and happy.
2: The crazy biatch snaps and bites your nose off like a crazy Saigon whore... You call the police and she is arrested and good thing to because seriously who does that?
3: they flip you off with a rude comment and continue their doggy walks. Nothing has changed i suppose so NOW its time to start worrying about the kids.

Asking strangers to stop behaviour you find innapropriate is really tough to do. just think -- 98% of people are genuinely nice and are deep inside trying to be good people. Even weirdo lesbo S&M practitioners.

Ignoring it just seems like a big complicated adult version of the cold shoulder game kids use to exert power in groups. Its dealing with the problem in the most passive aggressive way possible.


If you can't handle your kid asking Why? incessantly, you shouldn't be a parent.

You don't have to explain why that person likes it. I'm advocating teaching a child that everybody is different and different people like different things for different reasons. You can use foods or favorite colors as an example of conflicting tastes.

Ex. Ask child, what's your favorite treat? Child tells you, then you tell the child what your favorite treat is. You have a discussion about how my treat and your treat, while different are both perfectly acceptable, and that many other people will like different treats.

/I have two daughters, aged 20 and 16 who both are very accepting of people with different lifestyles and feel no need to judge based on things on the surface.
 
2013-02-01 11:30:13 AM  
Just keep filming them with your phone and posting the videos to Youtube, they'll stop eventually.  Also send me the links.
 
2013-02-01 11:35:35 AM  

december: WhippingBoy: You're not allowed to have a "line" unless everyone else has that same line.

where to draw the line is both a philosophical and a legal question. As a legal matter there are all kinds of unprotected forms of speech and expression -- obscenity, fraud, deceptive advertising, noise and nuisance laws, inciting a riot, and in some countries, hate-speech. So there is a mostly bright line as a matter of law.

as a philosophical matter, things are trickier. For example, the current laws on obscenity include a deference to "community standards." But we can reasonably disagree about whether the standards of the community should have any relevance at all. You seem to think they should, and that why what you do in public is sometimes other people's business. Other people have argued against that, essentially saying that offending people should be a right we all have, even if it's mostly assholes who take advantage of this right.


It's been my experience that the people who shout "mind your own business" the loudest are the same ones that go into histrionics when someone does something that *they* don't approve of.
 
2013-02-01 11:38:09 AM  

WhippingBoy: It's been my experience that the people who shout "mind your own business" the loudest are the same ones that go into histrionics when someone does something that *they* don't approve of.


How dare you say that! I am outraged!
 
2013-02-01 11:43:05 AM  

The Dangerous Toy: "I'm think that miscegenation is terrible. Why do these attention whores have to walk around my neighborhood expressing themselves freely and legally? How do I explain mixed race couples to my small child? They ask a lot of questions at that age. Why can't they just keep it behind closed doors?"


If my kink is, "You see me out being an exhibitionist," and I were doing it in a way that made you uncomfortable, would you be cool with that because I'm not doing anything illegal?  Honestly, its fine.  She can just walk up to these girls and say, "Hey can you not do this until later?  It bothers me and as a neighbor you should try to be considerate of me if convenient."

Why does everything have to be an intrusion into someone's rights anymore?  "You don't like what I'm doing!  ITS MY RIGHT BECAUSE I'M NOT BREAKING THE LAW!  EAT A DICK YOU STUCK UP OPPRESSOR!"  It could just has easily be, "I'm sorry that what we're doing is making you uncomfortable.  We thought it was harmless and don't really see the need but we'll indulge you because we easily can and because we don't want to be rude to the people we share a living environment with.  Thanks for letting us know and proffering a solution that might work for everyone instead of getting all up in our faces and calling us deviants or something."
 
2013-02-01 11:43:29 AM  

I drunk what: yeah deceiving your kids is way more quicker and easier lulz


Hey, it's why I'm raising mine Catholic.

http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot
 
2013-02-01 11:44:59 AM  

abfalter: Do I have to do everything myself?

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no, but you could tell me the sex of these two...
 
2013-02-01 11:47:53 AM  

Secret Agent X23: mikefinch: Show me these children who care so little about the fine details. I'm not sure "they're pretending" would have kept me off the adults back for long when i was a kid.

Maybe it wouldn't have. But "They're pretending" is what you try first. Because, as I said--and this is probably the more important part of what I said--you have to deal with the situation at hand. At this point the kid has already seen the couple, and she's not going to unsee them, and you don't have a time machine that would allow you to go back and prevent it. If the "whys" are coming, they're coming regardless of what you do or say.


I would not disagree with you. But it could have been dealt with much earlier and dealt with between adults. Captain Hindsight said so. And to be honest - i dont think dealing with the kid is the big issue here. The issue is that some individuals were acting like deviants in public and we (as a culture) dont really learn how to deal with individuals like that in a healthy manner.

Sometimes what you are doing may not be against the law but can be completely dickish and innapropriate. What if i stood outside your store on the street on public ground and just farted really loud all day? Its not illegal... ITS MY FREAKING RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO FART WHERE I PLEASE!!!

Or what if i drove a rusty van with really tinted windows down to the edge of the schoolyard and just sat their watching kids play all day while wearing big sunglasses and smoking a stale wrinkled cigarette? I would attract attention im sure -- but what if i wasn't doing anything "illegal"? Just watching children play and feeling a bit breathy officer -- nothing to see here... What? What then? Do i just get to be the guy in the van that everyone ignores? As Sundance asked -- wheres the line? The LAW seems a fairly abstract place to draw the line and its a great way to foist the decision making responsibility off of your own shoulders. Way to let someone else make the decision for you.

I'm not so sure every neighborhood should have to eat skunk butt because one person living there wants to flaunt their alternative lifestyle.
 
2013-02-01 11:48:02 AM  

Super_pope: The Dangerous Toy: "I'm think that miscegenation is terrible. Why do these attention whores have to walk around my neighborhood expressing themselves freely and legally? How do I explain mixed race couples to my small child? They ask a lot of questions at that age. Why can't they just keep it behind closed doors?"

If my kink is, "You see me out being an exhibitionist," and I were doing it in a way that made you uncomfortable, would you be cool with that because I'm not doing anything illegal?  Honestly, its fine.  She can just walk up to these girls and say, "Hey can you not do this until later?  It bothers me and as a neighbor you should try to be considerate of me if convenient."

Why does everything have to be an intrusion into someone's rights anymore?  "You don't like what I'm doing!  ITS MY RIGHT BECAUSE I'M NOT BREAKING THE LAW!  EAT A DICK YOU STUCK UP OPPRESSOR!"  It could just has easily be, "I'm sorry that what we're doing is making you uncomfortable.  We thought it was harmless and don't really see the need but we'll indulge you because we easily can and because we don't want to be rude to the people we share a living environment with.  Thanks for letting us know and proffering a solution that might work for everyone instead of getting all up in our faces and calling us deviants or something."


That's crazy talk.
 
2013-02-01 11:49:19 AM  
MassAster: "people people, calm down please. you are all forgetting the important things. are they hot?"

FTFA: "... a woman with long dreads and multiple piercings ..."

Um, my guess is not hot (unless you're into that sort of thing, of course). On the other hand, I kinda agree with the original answer. As long as the AWs aren't doing anything illegal or scaring the horses, it's probably best to ignore them. Their relationship is probably its own punishment. Don't know what to tell the kids but it sounds like the parent handled it well. No big deal. At that age, if a child sees you freaking out about it, that's apt to upset them more than the freak show itself. From what I've seen of trolls, especially the younger ones, keeping answers to questions as simple as possible seems to work pretty well. They don't need to know all the gory details.

\don't have any kids, let alone snowflakes; do not want either.
 
2013-02-01 11:50:37 AM  

SkunkWerks: I drunk what: yeah deceiving your kids is way more quicker and easier lulz

Hey, it's why I'm raising mine Catholic.

http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot


LOLZ

*highfivebro*
 
2013-02-01 11:52:34 AM  

I drunk what: SkunkWerks: I drunk what: yeah deceiving your kids is way more quicker and easier lulz

Hey, it's why I'm raising mine Catholic.

http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot

LOLZ

*highfivebro*


sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
 
2013-02-01 11:52:38 AM  
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