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2013-02-01 05:28:02 AM  
Punch him in the face.
 
2013-02-01 05:34:52 AM  
Who's "him" ?
 
2013-02-01 05:38:08 AM  

Twitch Boy: Punch him in the face.


Reread the headline and article, it's a lesbian couple.

FTA: But I don't love having to explain S&M role-play to my four-year old...

Can we all just officially conclude that "I don't want to have to take time to explain your actions to my offspring so just stop doing what I don't like" is a pathetically lazy and worthless argument? It's your damn kid, take responsibility for raising them and answering their questions about the world they're in instead of thrusting the responsibility on others to alter their behaviour to fit your particular idea of what the world should be.

/the woman is clearly an AW anyway, so who cares?
 
2013-02-01 05:38:19 AM  
Politely remind them to carry a plastic bag for when the biatch shiats on the path
 
2013-02-01 06:13:56 AM  
Ok, everyone is wrong here.

* The couple is nonconsentually involving others in their private life. That is, at the very least, rude.

* The parent needs to step up and be a parent. If they thinl snowflake is going to go through life and never be exposed to anything not on Leave It To Beaver, they're insane. They shouldn't go out of their way to *expose* their kid to wacky stuff, but they damn should be ready to explain if the kid sees something and has a question
 
2013-02-01 06:17:55 AM  
And now I read the article and it seems mom did exactly that. Color me embarrassed
 
2013-02-01 06:36:10 AM  
You should throw the leashed girlfriend a bone.
 
2013-02-01 07:21:56 AM  
Start following them around with a pooper-scooper.
 
2013-02-01 07:27:29 AM  
It sounds like somebody needs a good spanking.

/first, the spanking
 
2013-02-01 07:31:58 AM  

 (Last fall, my wife Pam was riding her bike sans helmet and a woman in an SUV pulled up, rolled down her window and said: "Did you forget your helmet or are you just stupid?"



She has a point.
 
2013-02-01 07:35:56 AM  

what_now: (Last fall, my wife Pam was riding her bike sans helmet and a woman in an SUV pulled up, rolled down her window and said: "Did you forget your helmet or are you just stupid?"

She has a point.


and you're in the wrong thread.
 
2013-02-01 07:46:39 AM  

stratagos: * The couple is nonconsentually involving others in their private life. That is, at the very least, rude.


This. Part of the BDSM scene is safe/sane/consensual. Involving others in your play who didn't consent to be there is a violation of that tenet.
 
2013-02-01 07:52:23 AM  

HenryFnord: what_now: (Last fall, my wife Pam was riding her bike sans helmet and a woman in an SUV pulled up, rolled down her window and said: "Did you forget your helmet or are you just stupid?"

She has a point.

and you're in the wrong thread.


That's a direct quote from the linked article.
 
2013-02-01 07:52:43 AM  
Just say to your kid, "They're crazy people. Stay away from them."
 
2013-02-01 08:06:11 AM  
I realize that the BSDM folks like humiliation and dehumanizing behavior, but I have a problem with it.
But if I see this in my neighborhood, I would let it go.  Nothing you say is going to change anyone's mind.
 
2013-02-01 08:11:54 AM  
If your fetish involves eliciting a reaction from your unwitting neighbors, you're basically committing rape.
I'd say the best course of action is for everybody to totally ignore them, so they won't be able to get off on the thrill anymore.
Better yet, have everybody walk their significant others around on a leash.  Let these girls know they're just like all the other boring suburbanites, and their dog role play thing isn't "edgy" anymore.

/Also, let me know where this neighborhood is once that happens, so I can move there...
 
2013-02-01 08:15:30 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: HenryFnord: what_now: (Last fall, my wife Pam was riding her bike sans helmet and a woman in an SUV pulled up, rolled down her window and said: "Did you forget your helmet or are you just stupid?"

She has a point.

and you're in the wrong thread.

That's a direct quote from the linked article.


Let's not turn this into a bike thread.  I'm already at work so can't GIS for photos of people in S&M clothes riding bikes.
 
2013-02-01 08:16:27 AM  

gopher321: Just say to your kid, "They're crazy people. Stay away from them."


That is pretty much what I would say.  There is no need to come up with things like "they are playing puppy and owner" or even attempt to explain that the one on the leash appreciates the humiliation aspect of a BDSM lifestyle.  Keep it simple - "They are weird and crazy, stay away..."

Also, it is none of your damn business, as long as they are not doing any pubic displays of sexual behavior, keep to yourself.
 
2013-02-01 08:19:17 AM  

serial_crusher: If your fetish involves eliciting a reaction from your unwitting neighbors, you're basically committing rape.


Well, that is a bit of a stretch.
 
2013-02-01 08:21:07 AM  
I'll just drop this here.
winningateverything.com
 
2013-02-01 08:24:57 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I'll just drop this here.
[winningateverything.com image 600x413]


You'd think the blue one would be skinnier, hauling all that weight around.
 
2013-02-01 08:27:18 AM  
Parading your girlfriend through a residential street on the end of a leash is a classic case of "épater la bourgeoisie" - like when the Surrealist poet Gérard de Nerval used to promenade his pet lobster Thibault through the streets of Paris on the end of a blue ribbon.

At least it wasn't named Breakfast.

/silly name for a lobster
 
2013-02-01 08:34:14 AM  
Yeah, assuming this isn't some sort of hoax article, I think behavior like this would be going a bit too far. There's a time and place for all things. Out public in your neighborhood is not the place for BDSM sexy-time play, unless you live in the Castro.
 
2013-02-01 08:36:43 AM  
blogs.seattleweekly.com
 
2013-02-01 08:38:12 AM  

Cythraul: Yeah, assuming this isn't some sort of hoax article, I think behavior like this would be going a bit too far. There's a time and place for all things. Out public in your neighborhood is not the place for BDSM sexy-time play, unless you live in the Castro.


If they want to involve the whole neighborhood, involve the whole neighborhood. "What breed is she? Is she a rescue? Can I pet her? Wait has she had all her shots? Look at the size of those feet, how big is she supposed to get?"
 
2013-02-01 08:47:03 AM  
How do I register my disapproval?

You could move.
 
2013-02-01 08:47:42 AM  
My neighbors biatch that my dog barks. I think I can biatch about neighbors being all publicly weird. Do that shiat like a Republican...behind closed doors... Or at Comic Con like God intended.
 
2013-02-01 08:48:09 AM  
One call to Animal Control about a rabid biatch should do it!
 
2013-02-01 08:49:12 AM  
Feel free to file a complaint with the Gothapotamus.
 
2013-02-01 08:50:23 AM  
fap?
 
2013-02-01 08:50:31 AM  

december: How do I register my disapproval?

You could move masturbate furiously


ftfy
 
2013-02-01 08:51:08 AM  

The Angry Hand of God: Feel free to file a complaint with the Gothapotamus.


i136.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-01 08:51:46 AM  
" But I don't love having to explain S&M role-play to my four-year old"

Good time to introduce him to Thomas Jefferson.


" It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

/Yeah, TJ was talking about religious tolerance but it works for a lot of things.
 
2013-02-01 08:53:55 AM  
I won't know whether or not to be outraged unless I see a picture of the people in question and am able to gauge their relative attractiveness.
 
2013-02-01 08:53:57 AM  

serial_crusher: Because People in power are Stupid: I'll just drop this here.
[winningateverything.com image 600x413]

You'd think the blue one would be skinnier, hauling all that weight around.


Give them a few hundred miles.
 
2013-02-01 08:54:06 AM  

stratagos: Ok, everyone is wrong here.

* The couple is nonconsentually involving others in their private life. That is, at the very least, rude.

* The parent needs to step up and be a parent. If they thinl snowflake is going to go through life and never be exposed to anything not on Leave It To Beaver, they're insane. They shouldn't go out of their way to *expose* their kid to wacky stuff, but they damn should be ready to explain if the kid sees something and has a question


I feel as though your comments are nonconsentually involving me in the private thoughts in your head.


This thread is useless without pics of the lesbian couple.
 
2013-02-01 08:56:45 AM  
people people, calm down please. you are all forgetting the important things. are they hot?
 
2013-02-01 08:57:54 AM  

stratagos: Ok, everyone is wrong here.

* The couple is nonconsentually involving others in their private life. That is, at the very least, rude.

* The parent needs to step up and be a parent. If they thinl snowflake is going to go through life and never be exposed to anything not on Leave It To Beaver, they're insane. They shouldn't go out of their way to *expose* their kid to wacky stuff, but they damn should be ready to explain if the kid sees something and has a question


Yeah, I hate when other people walk down the street when I'm doing so.  Goddamn them for intruding on my solitude.

\if you don't want to deal with other people, then become a hermit
 
2013-02-01 08:58:11 AM  
Parading your girlfriend through a residential street on the end of a leash is a classic case of "épater la bourgeoisie" - like when the Surrealist poet Gérard de Nerval used to promenade his pet lobster Thibault through the streets of Paris on the end of a blue ribbon. It's a deliberate act of provocation and nose-thumbing to your "conventional thinking" and "bourgeois, materialistic values."

A very drawn-out way of saying "they're attention whores". The only thing to do is ignore them and write them off as fark ups who put their own desires to be unique snowflakes above other people.
 
2013-02-01 08:58:28 AM  
If she is that worried about her running away that she needs a leash she probably isn't a very good mistress. Hell my dog can walk next to me without a leash.
 
2013-02-01 08:58:36 AM  
If she does not like mind her bring her outside on a leash, like other people's dog, can I pat her on the back and say nice doggie like other people's dog?
 
2013-02-01 08:58:55 AM  
We were at Disney World during the Gay Days a couple years ago.  Took my older kid aside and explained what he might see and that no matter what we think about it, keep it to yourself.

/Didn't really have any issues
//lots of rainbow mickey pins
///definitely expectations vs reality
 
2013-02-01 08:59:05 AM  

what_now: (Last fall, my wife Pam was riding her bike sans helmet and a woman in an SUV pulled up, rolled down her window and said: "Did you forget your helmet or are you just stupid?"

She has a point.


Perhaps, but it isn't really her business, is it?  My response would have been, "Are you always such a nosy coont, or is today my lucky day?"
 
2013-02-01 08:59:46 AM  

WhippingBoy: I won't know whether or not to be outraged unless I see a picture of the people in question and am able to gauge their relative attractiveness.

 
2013-02-01 09:01:13 AM  
imageshack.us
 
2013-02-01 09:01:53 AM  
The bigger question is whether the neighbor makes sure to carry a poo bag on every little outing.
 
2013-02-01 09:02:04 AM  

miss diminutive: Twitch Boy: Punch him in the face.

Reread the headline and article, it's a lesbian couple.

FTA: But I don't love having to explain S&M role-play to my four-year old...

Can we all just officially conclude that "I don't want to have to take time to explain your actions to my offspring so just stop doing what I don't like" is a pathetically lazy and worthless argument? It's your damn kid, take responsibility for raising them and answering their questions about the world they're in instead of thrusting the responsibility on others to alter their behaviour to fit your particular idea of what the world should be.

/the woman is clearly an AW anyway, so who cares?


THAT

And while you're at it, stop assuming your own Puritanical viewpoint is the only acceptable viewpoint.
 
2013-02-01 09:02:56 AM  
I wear a collar out in public with my SO sometimes. But it's a thin leather one that looks like a choker. We sure as hell don't run around AWing where kids are about.

CSB:

About 20 years ago when I was in college, I was working in a pizza place in Portland, Ore. Portland is very kink-friendly and was even back then.

The pizza place, however, was down south close to Gresham in a heavily residential area and was a family-oriented place.

One Sunday evening -- which was when they had free pizza buffet for kids -- a couple in leather trench coats walked in. She was wearing a collar and he had her on a leash. The place was jammed with kids.

They got seated in some other section. A few minutes later I was getting some drinks and the server for their section was there. "Where's the kinky couple?" I asked.

"They stomped out a minute ago," she said. "I asked if something was wrong and the guy said everyone was staring at them."
 
2013-02-01 09:05:30 AM  

CheekyMonkey: what_now: (Last fall, my wife Pam was riding her bike sans helmet and a woman in an SUV pulled up, rolled down her window and said: "Did you forget your helmet or are you just stupid?"

She has a point.

Perhaps, but it isn't really her business, is it?  My response would have been, "Are you always such a nosy coont, or is today my lucky day?"


i would have waited for her to slow down and then biked into her front bumper and fallen over the hood. Hard to see the cops taking the woman's side when she intentionally pulled over to harass a cyclist. Enjoy your new insurance rates!
 
2013-02-01 09:05:34 AM  
Your neighbor's girlfriend must feel like a freak.

/sorry for the Korny joke
 
2013-02-01 09:06:55 AM  
This thread could be AWESOME.
lets go!

also. Nice that the Dad is cool with the Lesbians, but not the open dom/sub scene.
Speaks to progress that the Lesbian part is not even questioned.

static.stomp.com.sg
 
2013-02-01 09:10:23 AM  

BHShaman: [i.imgur.com image 600x420]

/not sure if couple *wink*


Preview did not show that.
http://nerdnirvana.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/11133_040.jpg
 
2013-02-01 09:11:18 AM  
Stick it in her pooper.
 
2013-02-01 09:11:20 AM  
The Dom looks serious.

www.hotghettomess.com
 
2013-02-01 09:14:06 AM  

stratagos: Ok, everyone is wrong here.

* The couple is nonconsentually involving others in their private life. That is, at the very least, rude.


Yeah the only thing wrong here is that the two are obviously a couple of attention whores.  At the same time, how hard is it to tell your kid, "they're just being silly" and leave it at that?
 
2013-02-01 09:14:25 AM  
Celebs.
cdn.necolebitchie.com
 
2013-02-01 09:15:30 AM  
Are we talking poodle or St. Bernard?

My four-year old daughter asked me why the lady was wearing a leash. I told her that she was pretending to be a dog and that the other lady was playing the owner.

Sounds about right to me.
 
2013-02-01 09:18:46 AM  

BHShaman: The Dom looks serious.

[www.hotghettomess.com image 400x300]


If that's the couple in the article, then I am okay with this. Carry on.
 
2013-02-01 09:19:06 AM  
If he's dissapproving, i have to assume that they are both unattractive.
 
2013-02-01 09:23:34 AM  

stratagos: Ok, everyone is wrong here.

* The couple is nonconsentually involving others in their private life. That is, at the very least, rude.

* The parent needs to step up and be a parent. If they thinl snowflake is going to go through life and never be exposed to anything not on Leave It To Beaver, they're insane. They shouldn't go out of their way to *expose* their kid to wacky stuff, but they damn should be ready to explain if the kid sees something and has a question


QFT.  Plus, I came here to say it.

Fact is, people are going to do things in front of your kids.  When they do, explain it to them.

I have friends that purposely say things like, "I don't expose my kids to that sort of thing."  Oh, really?!  Who do you expect to explain it to them when someone ELSE exposes them.
 
2013-02-01 09:24:31 AM  

Endive Wombat: gopher321: Just say to your kid, "They're crazy people. Stay away from them."

That is pretty much what I would say.  There is no need to come up with things like "they are playing puppy and owner" or even attempt to explain that the one on the leash appreciates the humiliation aspect of a BDSM lifestyle.  Keep it simple - "They are weird and crazy, stay away..."

Also, it is none of your damn business, as long as they are not doing any pubic displays of sexual behavior, keep to yourself.


Even saying they're crazy isn't necessarily the way to go. What if the child just happens to grow up and have a similar fetish? Then they'll either think THEY are crazy too, or that you're a liar.

Just tell the kid people are different and some people like the way the collar looks and feels.
 
2013-02-01 09:25:28 AM  
Do I have to do everything myself?

www.profilebrand.com
 
2013-02-01 09:25:46 AM  

Yes please: Cythraul: Yeah, assuming this isn't some sort of hoax article, I think behavior like this would be going a bit too far. There's a time and place for all things. Out public in your neighborhood is not the place for BDSM sexy-time play, unless you live in the Castro.

If they want to involve the whole neighborhood, involve the whole neighborhood. "What breed is she? Is she a rescue? Can I pet her? Wait has she had all her shots? Look at the size of those feet, how big is she supposed to get?"


FTA: " In fact, why not approach and try to get to know this kinky couple? Find an opportunity to have a pleasant chat with them. Don't even mention the leash."

I'm on your side, don't talk to the couple, talk to the one holding the leash. Say a few "such a pwetty girl" words to the one on a leash and give her a snack. Worst case scenario is that you played along for a minute, best case scenario it's you get to play along for a while!
 
2013-02-01 09:28:16 AM  
I've got a good idea! How about you mind your goddamn business and don't tell me what's "right" or "wrong" for my kids, or what I "should" do?
 
2013-02-01 09:29:27 AM  
It all depends if it is fantasy hot lesbians or real life lesbians... One you get sexually excited about, the other you shudder and reach for the eyebleach.
 
2013-02-01 09:30:17 AM  
What do I tell my kid?

tell them to mind their own farking business.
 
2013-02-01 09:32:22 AM  

abhorrent1: What do I tell my kid?

tell them to mind their own farking business.


By going out in public, these people have made it everyone's business.
 
2013-02-01 09:33:16 AM  
When they walk by just say, "Gee, how fifty shades of you." Then just giggle and stroll away.
 
2013-02-01 09:33:59 AM  
Call the local Animal Control dept.
 
2013-02-01 09:34:51 AM  
I love all the "mind your own farking business" responses when we're talking about people intentionally doing unusual things in public....

You don't get to yell "mind your own farking business" at people on a public street because they're watching you intentionally try to draw attention to yourself. That's the whole reason attention whores like these two do things like this, after all.

You don't want to explain it to your kid? Don't. Tell them they're just trying to get people to look at them.

You want to annoy them back? Ignore them.
 
2013-02-01 09:36:04 AM  
My neighbour walks her girlfriend on a leash. How do I register my disapproval

Take pictures, lots of pictures and post them on the internet.  For science.
 
2013-02-01 09:37:09 AM  
Since they're Canadian, the proper thing to do is apologize for being offended and offer the couple a box of Timbits and your spare tickets to the next Halifax v. Newfoundland Women's Professional Curling League exhibition match.
 
2013-02-01 09:38:37 AM  
Talk to your elected representatives about destroying pluralism and returning us to a society of shared values and social standards.
 
2013-02-01 09:41:29 AM  
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.

That having been said I just have to know out of curiosity - where is your line? There have to be some kinds of behavior that are unacceptable in public and I just want to know what would finally cross that line for you? I personally find the behavior of the couple in question rude, selfish and attention whorish at best. I'm fine with whatever they want to do in their own home/bedroom/torture chamber and I don't care about the gay/lesbian thing either. But there's gotta be a line somewhere. Where's yours?
 
2013-02-01 09:42:23 AM  

WhippingBoy: By going out in public, these people have made it everyone's business


you're equivocating.

public space belongs to no one, which means no one gets to tell others how to act in public. that's what people mean when they say "mind your business".
 
2013-02-01 09:45:24 AM  

sundance1028: I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.

That having been said I just have to know out of curiosity - where is your line? There have to be some kinds of behavior that are unacceptable in public and I just want to know what would finally cross that line for you? I personally find the behavior of the couple in question rude, selfish and attention whorish at best. I'm fine with whatever they want to do in their own home/bedroom/torture chamber and I don't care about the gay/lesbian thing either. But there's gotta be a line somewhere. Where's yours?


There's one thing you need to know about Fark: The people that dispense all the parenting advice, and "know" what's best for kids? They're the ones that don't have children.
 
2013-02-01 09:46:50 AM  

december: WhippingBoy: By going out in public, these people have made it everyone's business

you're equivocating.

public space belongs to no one, which means no one gets to tell others how to act in public. that's what people mean when they say "mind your business".


Bullshiat. So if I go to a kindergarten school bus stop and start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs, people should just mind their business and "let me do my thing"?
 
2013-02-01 09:48:50 AM  

abfalter: Do I have to do everything myself?

[www.profilebrand.com image 400x328]


Um.  No.  It's been referenced already.  Twice.  Try to keep up.
 
2013-02-01 09:48:54 AM  
"Here's one idea. Ask Leash Lady if you can "pat" her girlfriend, then tousle the girlfriend's hair, scratch her behind the ears, then reach in your pocket and bring out a "treat," like a piece of Brie on a toothpick, or some coconut shrimp, and give it to her, saying "Attagirl!" and "Good girl!" the whole time."

This sounds hawt!
 
2013-02-01 09:51:28 AM  
Hire a hobo to follow them around while masterbating.
 
2013-02-01 09:53:30 AM  
Regardless of what you might think about the happy couple, it seems to me this parent is making it more of a problem than it has to be. You tell the kid they're pretending, the kid accepts it... Unless I'm missing something here, there's no need to go into further detail.

Eventually, when the kid's old enough to think back on it and realize what was actually going on, she's going to understand why you glossed over it.
 
2013-02-01 09:54:40 AM  

WhippingBoy: december: WhippingBoy: By going out in public, these people have made it everyone's business

you're equivocating.

public space belongs to no one, which means no one gets to tell others how to act in public. that's what people mean when they say "mind your business".

Bullshiat. So if I go to a kindergarten school bus stop and start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs, people should just mind their business and "let me do my thing"?


Fair point, sort of.

Why are you screaming obscenities though? Context matters. If it's just to be a dick then others should tell you you're a dick. But, in this case, these people aren't aiming to offend others. That's important. They're just living their lives. And when people are just living their lives then others should mind their own business.
 
2013-02-01 09:54:56 AM  

WhippingBoy: abhorrent1: What do I tell my kid?

tell them to mind their own farking business.

By going out in public, these people have made it everyone's business.


Going out in public makes anything you do other people's business?
I question that. We have public nuisance laws that prohibit behavior that actually, materially bothers others - beyond that, what other people do doesn't concern you.
 
2013-02-01 09:58:41 AM  
Dan Savage would probably say something about the couple being jerks and involving unwilling people into their BDSM. That being said there isn't much you can do to stop it.
 
2013-02-01 09:58:52 AM  
"épater la bourgeoisie"

French for AW. You learn something new everyday...
 
2013-02-01 09:59:06 AM  

december: WhippingBoy: december: WhippingBoy: By going out in public, these people have made it everyone's business

you're equivocating.

public space belongs to no one, which means no one gets to tell others how to act in public. that's what people mean when they say "mind your business".

Bullshiat. So if I go to a kindergarten school bus stop and start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs, people should just mind their business and "let me do my thing"?

Fair point, sort of.

Why are you screaming obscenities though? Context matters. If it's just to be a dick then others should tell you you're a dick. But, in this case, these people aren't aiming to offend others. That's important. They're just living their lives. And when people are just living their lives then others should mind their own business.


Yelling obscenities is how I express myself as a unique and special individual. It's how I live my life. Who are you to tell me otherwise?
 
2013-02-01 10:00:33 AM  
There's a man in Toronto who walks around in public places (I've seen him several times in malls and subway stations) wearing a costume that consists of a knee-length (almost tutu-like) dress, with a matching hat and knee socks.
I've known people that have talked to him and he's explained that he and his wife get off on his humiliation or something. You always see him walking alone though. And his costume is so over the top you can't help but do a double take, or tell your friends "OMG did you SEE that guy? You have to see this..."

I don't get that kind of stuff. Maybe I'm too vanilla.
 
2013-02-01 10:03:00 AM  

stratagos: And now I read the article and it seems mom did exactly that. Color me embarrassed


Color mom embarrassed when 4 year-old tries the game at daycare.
 
2013-02-01 10:03:46 AM  

Bontesla: You should throw the leashed girlfriend a bone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XX5nIQqjrQ

miss diminutive: Can we all just officially conclude that "I don't want to have to take time to explain your actions to my offspring so just stop doing what I don't like" is a pathetically lazy and worthless argument?


No, sadly.  Crazier part is turnabout is apparently not fair play, for instance if I say...

It's not my fault that you want to explain the concept of sex to your child 'never', and would prefer that they inevitably stumble into it blitheringly unawares like any real child coming of age.  Could you kindly stop demanding that I conform to your loinspawn's clearly malnourished understanding of the world?

...it would be completely out of bounds.  "Won't somebody think of the children," is less an argument and more a way to stifle all argument.


That said, I think the guy asking the question handled things slightly more tactfully than I'd have guessed he might.
 
2013-02-01 10:07:58 AM  

Snapper Carr: " But I don't love having to explain S&M role-play to my four-year old"

Good time to introduce him to Thomas Jefferson.


" It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

/Yeah, TJ was talking about religious tolerance but it works for a lot of things.


I assume it's as easy as saying they are playing a game. A game for grownups.
 
2013-02-01 10:08:44 AM  
This absolutly has to be in Los Angeles
 
2013-02-01 10:09:13 AM  

Sybarite: Parading your girlfriend through a residential street on the end of a leash is a classic case of "épater la bourgeoisie" - like when the Surrealist poet Gérard de Nerval used to promenade his pet lobster Thibault through the streets of Paris on the end of a blue ribbon.

At least it wasn't named Breakfast.

/silly name for a lobster


I've heard tell that Sir Gerald Nabardo has a pet prawn called Simon and you wouldn't call him a looney; furthermore, Dawn Pailthorpe, the lady show-jumper, had a clam, called Stafford, after the late Chancellor, Allan Bullock has two pikes, both called Chris, and Marcel Proust had an haddock! So, if you're calling the author of 'A la recherche du temps perdu' a looney, I shall have to ask you to step outside!
 
2013-02-01 10:12:56 AM  

sundance1028: That having been said I just have to know out of curiosity - where is your line? There have to be some kinds of behavior that are unacceptable in public and I just want to know what would finally cross that line for you? I personally find the behavior of the couple in question rude, selfish and attention whorish at best. I'm fine with whatever they want to do in their own home/bedroom/torture chamber and I don't care about the gay/lesbian thing either. But there's gotta be a line somewhere. Where's yours?


Legality.  If it's legal, go ahead and do it.  If not, well, obviously don't.  Are there things I'd rather not see when I'm out in public?  Lots of them.  But my dislike - or anyone else's dislike - isn't sufficient reason to "draw the line" as you put it.  The sooner we get over the current trend of "people shouldn't offend my delicate sensibilities", the better.
 
2013-02-01 10:14:14 AM  
Maybe just buy one of these for your kid and start taking them for walks.
bios.weddingbee.com
 
2013-02-01 10:17:14 AM  

WhippingBoy: Bullshiat. So if I go to a kindergarten school bus stop and start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs, people should just mind their business and "let me do my thing"?


Walking down the street, with your girlfriend on a leash minding your own business is a little different that what you describe. Which could actually be disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct, which are both arrestable offenses.
 
2013-02-01 10:19:16 AM  

WaitWhatWhy: Maybe just buy one of these for your kid and start taking them for walks.
[bios.weddingbee.com image 250x262]


That is less acceptable to me than my lesbian neighbor taking her gf out for a walk in full bondage with leash.  I would loathe my parents today if they did that to me.
 
2013-02-01 10:20:45 AM  

abhorrent1: WhippingBoy: Bullshiat. So if I go to a kindergarten school bus stop and start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs, people should just mind their business and "let me do my thing"?

Walking down the street, with your girlfriend on a leash minding your own business is a little different that what you describe. Which could actually be disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct, which are both arrestable offenses.


But if it's not, people must STFU and mind their own business.
 
2013-02-01 10:23:30 AM  
The columnists advice is surprisingly good and insightful.

/TTIUW-sex-ay-P
 
2013-02-01 10:23:32 AM  

CheekyMonkey: Perhaps, but it isn't really her business, is it? My response would have been, "Are you always such a nosy coont, or is today my lucky day?"


That's the nice version of what she deserved to hear.
 
2013-02-01 10:27:51 AM  

WhippingBoy: abhorrent1: WhippingBoy: Bullshiat. So if I go to a kindergarten school bus stop and start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs, people should just mind their business and "let me do my thing"?

Walking down the street, with your girlfriend on a leash minding your own business is a little different that what you describe. Which could actually be disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct, which are both arrestable offenses.

But if it's not, people must STFU and mind their own business.


I agree. If it's not illegal do what you want and people should mind their own business.
 
2013-02-01 10:27:59 AM  

WhippingBoy: Bullshiat. So if I go to a kindergarten school bus stop and start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs, people should just mind their business and "let me do my thing"?


CSB: the local planned parenthood holds abortions on Wednesdays.  This prompted the usual religious folk to stand outside with graphic, poster-sized placards of fetuses that have been "aborted" (though "having been through a meat grinder" is probably a more appropriate description- which in turn wonders at how much money changes hands for these people to eventually wind up with this sort of photography).

Problem: The local middle school bus route runs right by there at protest prime-time.  Parents were apparently upset that their loinspawn were exposed to this kind of imagery.

The protesters- people who might in different circumstances, be found making the very same sort of complaint over sex education in schools, had this to say:

"It's good for the young children to see these things.  It will deter them from doing it themselves."

Aside from the rampant hypocrisy of this sort of juxtaposition, there's a rather severe logic problem: namely that- by this rationale, making my 3-year-old watch Faces of Death at least five times a day  should make him the most mild-mannered child going.

Anyway, just thought I'd share.  It apparently seems to me mostly an issue of "what I don't like", and far less an issue of "thinking about the children".
 
2013-02-01 10:29:31 AM  
why is it that the weirdos of the world get to dictate what age my kids are when they come into contact with this crap?

I know kids ask questions and those questions need to be answered honestly. I get that.

dopekitty74: Just tell the kid people are different and some people like the way the collar looks and feels.


WHY? WHY? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??? is the incessant cry of the child. And "because" isnt going to cut it. If you cant give them an answer they will take it to a teacher or something similar: "Teacher - why does the girl outside my house like the way collars feel?"  Its not so simple as just brushing their questions away with dumbed down answers.

What they are doing is just plain rude. Whats wrong with polite discourse? The worst thing that can happen is the girl keeps walking her friend in some misguided defiance of your request.

Be polite. Explain WHY its an issue and try to give an alternate option that is reasonable and not some backhanded compromise. Try to find someway to put them into your shoes and let them see things from your perspective. The whole explaining in a nonthreatening manner and then trying to compromise thing can be uncomfortable -- but it works. For some reason i can't explain; acting like a kind, reasonable, considerate and intelligent human being who is willing to listen WORKS.

Its uncomfortable and WAY harder to do than it sounds but it gets really great results. You just need them to sit back for even a half a second to ask themselves "Am i being a jerk?"  and allot of people will feel guilty about causing such a nice person such discomfort. but lets look at what can go right and wrong-
1: The girl agrees and changes her schedule. You thank them. Your child plays innocent and happy.
2: The crazy biatch snaps and bites your nose off like a crazy Saigon whore... You call the police and she is arrested and good thing to because seriously who does that?
3: they flip you off with a rude comment and continue their doggy walks. Nothing has changed i suppose so NOW its time to start worrying about the kids.

Asking strangers to stop behaviour you find innapropriate is really tough to do. just think -- 98% of people are genuinely nice and are deep inside trying to be good people. Even weirdo lesbo S&M practitioners.

Ignoring it just seems like a big complicated adult version of the cold shoulder game kids use to exert power in groups. Its dealing with the problem in the most passive aggressive way possible.
 
2013-02-01 10:30:35 AM  
Masturbate vigorously when they approach you.

They'll soon get the hint.
 
2013-02-01 10:30:39 AM  
Okay, i think we're taking tolerance too far if we have to just deal with crazy assholes leading othe crazy assholes around on a leash in public.

These deranged freaks should have bricks thrown at them.
 
2013-02-01 10:31:52 AM  

WhippingBoy: But if it's not, people must should STFU and mind their own business.


Don't worry, you're still free to be an asshole if you want too.
 
2013-02-01 10:32:22 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: These deranged freaks should have bricks thrown at them.


What if they also derive pleasure having bricks thrown at them?
 
2013-02-01 10:32:28 AM  

mikefinch: why is it that the weirdos of the world get to dictate what age my kids are when they come into contact with this crap?

I know kids ask questions and those questions need to be answered honestly. I get that.

dopekitty74: Just tell the kid people are different and some people like the way the collar looks and feels.

WHY? WHY? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??? is the incessant cry of the child. And "because" isnt going to cut it. If you cant give them an answer they will take it to a teacher or something similar: "Teacher - why does the girl outside my house like the way collars feel?"  Its not so simple as just brushing their questions away with dumbed down answers.

What they are doing is just plain rude. Whats wrong with polite discourse? The worst thing that can happen is the girl keeps walking her friend in some misguided defiance of your request.

Be polite. Explain WHY its an issue and try to give an alternate option that is reasonable and not some backhanded compromise. Try to find someway to put them into your shoes and let them see things from your perspective. The whole explaining in a nonthreatening manner and then trying to compromise thing can be uncomfortable -- but it works. For some reason i can't explain; acting like a kind, reasonable, considerate and intelligent human being who is willing to listen WORKS.

Its uncomfortable and WAY harder to do than it sounds but it gets really great results. You just need them to sit back for even a half a second to ask themselves "Am i being a jerk?"  and allot of people will feel guilty about causing such a nice person such discomfort. but lets look at what can go right and wrong-
1: The girl agrees and changes her schedule. You thank them. Your child plays innocent and happy.
2: The crazy biatch snaps and bites your nose off like a crazy Saigon whore... You call the police and she is arrested and good thing to because seriously who does that?
3: they flip you off with a rude comment and continue their doggy walks. Nothing has changed i suppose so NOW its time to start worrying about the kids.

Asking strangers to stop behaviour you find innapropriate is really tough to do. just think -- 98% of people are genuinely nice and are deep inside trying to be good people. Even weirdo lesbo S&M practitioners.

Ignoring it just seems like a big complicated adult version of the cold shoulder game kids use to exert power in groups. Its dealing with the problem in the most passive aggressive way possible.


Okay, that sounds reasonable as a first step. But if they persist, I think my brick idea is worth a shot.
 
2013-02-01 10:32:37 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Okay, i think we're taking tolerance too far if we have to just deal with crazy assholes leading othe crazy assholes around on a leash in public.

These deranged freaks should have bricks thrown at them.


0/10
 
2013-02-01 10:34:00 AM  
If the leash is shorter than 6 feet long, report the dom to the ASPCA.
 
2013-02-01 10:34:21 AM  

SkunkWerks: Debeo Summa Credo: These deranged freaks should have bricks thrown at them.

What if they also derive pleasure having bricks thrown at them?


D'oh!!!!

You win again, deranged freaks!!
 
2013-02-01 10:34:45 AM  

mikefinch: why is it that the weirdos of the world get to dictate what age my kids are when they come into contact with this crap?


If you don't like your children being exposed to the people of the world (of which "weirdos" represent a significant portion), you're free to keep them sequestered safely at home for as long as you like.
 
2013-02-01 10:36:03 AM  

ReverendJasen: WhippingBoy: But if it's not, people must should STFU and mind their own business.

Don't worry, you're still free to be an asshole if you want too.


And you're free to tell me to stfu if you want to. I don't see a problem with that.
 
2013-02-01 10:36:17 AM  

ReverendJasen: mikefinch: why is it that the weirdos of the world get to dictate what age my kids are when they come into contact with this crap?

If you don't like your children being exposed to the people of the world (of which "weirdos" represent a significant portion), you're free to keep them sequestered safely at home for as long as you like.


It's called "Home-Schooling", typically.
 
2013-02-01 10:38:11 AM  
I'd better not hear any of you complain about the Westboro Baptist Church any more.
 
2013-02-01 10:39:19 AM  
Two lesbians out for a stroll
Elicited comments quite droll.
"I'm not irked in the least
By the use of your leash
I'm just annoyed that you're a troll"
 
2013-02-01 10:39:47 AM  

mikefinch: WHY? WHY? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??? is the incessant cry of the child. And "because" isnt going to cut it. If you cant give them an answer they will take it to a teacher or something similar: "Teacher - why does the girl outside my house like the way collars feel?" Its not so simple as just brushing their questions away with dumbed down answers.


Well, here's the thing about that. Telling the kid in the article that they were pretending was apparently good enough. It'll be good enough for a lot of kids because they understand the concept of playing and having fun. Where you run into the recursive whys is when you start trying out lame explanations of stuff you don't really understand yourself, such as the classic "Why is the sky blue?"

And even if your explanation of the couple doesn't prevent the "Why," asking the couple to stop their public leash play or reschedule it or whatever isn't going to unask the question. The kid's already seen it. You have to deal with the situation at hand.
 
2013-02-01 10:44:00 AM  

WhippingBoy: december: WhippingBoy: By going out in public, these people have made it everyone's business

you're equivocating.

public space belongs to no one, which means no one gets to tell others how to act in public. that's what people mean when they say "mind your business".

Bullshiat. So if I go to a kindergarten school bus stop and start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs, people should just mind their business and "let me do my thing"?


There may be laws against the obscenities you are screaming, or laws against the volume at which you are screaming.  If so, then the authorities should deal with you appropriately.

If you are not breaking any laws, then yes, people SHOULD mind their own business.  That's why we have laws in the first place - to codify what is and what is not permissible conduct should you wish to live within the particular society which enacts those laws.

\one would have thought that somewhere along the line, you would have learned this by now...
 
2013-02-01 10:44:31 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I'll just drop this here.
[winningateverything.com image 600x413]


dear god in heaven
 
2013-02-01 10:44:52 AM  

Secret Agent X23: You tell the kid they're pretending, the kid accepts it... Unless I'm missing something here, there's no need to go into further detail.


Show me these children who care so little about the fine details. I'm not sure "they're pretending" would have kept me off the adults back for long when i was a kid.

Kids get wise. They have big ears and big mouths and they use those two things to question everything their big eyes see and everything their dirty little hands touch.
 
2013-02-01 10:45:03 AM  
I think the real question is paintball or pellet gun...
 
2013-02-01 10:49:09 AM  

mikefinch: Show me these children who care so little about the fine details. I'm not sure "they're pretending" would have kept me off the adults back for long when i was a kid.


Maybe it wouldn't have. But "They're pretending" is what you try first. Because, as I said--and this is probably the more important part of what I said--you have to deal with the situation at hand. At this point the kid has already seen the couple, and she's not going to unsee them, and you don't have a time machine that would allow you to go back and prevent it. If the "whys" are coming, they're coming regardless of what you do or say.
 
2013-02-01 10:49:52 AM  

mikefinch: Secret Agent X23: You tell the kid they're pretending, the kid accepts it... Unless I'm missing something here, there's no need to go into further detail.

Show me these children who care so little about the fine details. I'm not sure "they're pretending" would have kept me off the adults back for long when i was a kid.

Kids get wise. They have big ears and big mouths and they use those two things to question everything their big eyes see and everything their dirty little hands touch.


The obvious answer is to medicate that behavior out of them.
 
2013-02-01 10:51:58 AM  

WaitWhatWhy: Maybe just buy one of these for your kid and start taking them for walks.
[bios.weddingbee.com image 250x262]


This is excellent, but you need to kick it up a notch. Have the kid wear a homemade gimp suit and ball gag. Tell the couple that they have inspired you to think outside your staid, hetero-normative, suburban paradigm.
 
2013-02-01 10:55:41 AM  
I don't know why I waste my breath. I'm clearly too stupid to make any sort of salient point...
 
2013-02-01 10:55:45 AM  

WhippingBoy: abhorrent1: WhippingBoy: Bullshiat. So if I go to a kindergarten school bus stop and start screaming obscenities at the top of my lungs, people should just mind their business and "let me do my thing"?

Walking down the street, with your girlfriend on a leash minding your own business is a little different that what you describe. Which could actually be disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct, which are both arrestable offenses.

But if it's not, people must STFU and mind their own business.


Exactly.
 
2013-02-01 10:56:27 AM  

sundance1028: I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.


ORLY?

FTA: "My four-year old daughter asked me why the lady was wearing a leash. I told her that she was pretending to be a dog and that the other lady was playing the owner. My daughter loves inventing her own play scenarios and easily accepted my explanation."

Sounds like it took all of 10 seconds. Must've been brutal.


That having been said I just have to know out of curiosity - where is your line? There have to be some kinds of behavior that are unacceptable in public and I just want to know what would finally cross that line for you? I personally find the behavior of the couple in question rude, selfish and attention whorish at best. I'm fine with whatever they want to do in their own home/bedroom/torture chamber and I don't care about the gay/lesbian thing either. But there's gotta be a line somewhere. Where's yours?


Personally, nudity or blatant sexual acts would be my line. Were they fondling each other? Sloppily making out? Not even, apparently. They were just walking around, but one happened top have a leash around her neck. AWish? Perhaps, but nothing I would be offended by.
 
2013-02-01 10:58:29 AM  

Savage Bacon: sundance1028: I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.

ORLY?

FTA: "My four-year old daughter asked me why the lady was wearing a leash. I told her that she was pretending to be a dog and that the other lady was playing the owner. My daughter loves inventing her own play scenarios and easily accepted my explanation."

Sounds like it took all of 10 seconds. Must've been brutal.


That having been said I just have to know out of curiosity - where is your line? There have to be some kinds of behavior that are unacceptable in public and I just want to know what would finally cross that line for you? I personally find the behavior of the couple in question rude, selfish and attention whorish at best. I'm fine with whatever they want to do in their own home/bedroom/torture chamber and I don't care about the gay/lesbian thing either. But there's gotta be a line somewhere. Where's yours?


Personally, nudity or blatant sexual acts would be my line. Were they fondling each other? Sloppily making out? Not even, apparently. They were just walking around, but one happened top have a leash around her neck. AWish? Perhaps, but nothing I would be offended by.


You're not allowed to have a "line" unless everyone else has that same line.
 
2013-02-01 11:00:36 AM  
Just tell your kid the truth.  The couple have mental issues and can't help it.  They shouldn't be laughed at or put down, or approached.
 
2013-02-01 11:02:28 AM  
I live the BDSM life every day, and my slaves are collared 24/7. In fact the Collar of Intent is literally a dog collar from Petco, complete with vibrant color. I however would never parade my slave outside in public on a leash because while it is consensual between us, it is not for any bystanders. There are plenty of BDSM events to take them out on a leash, where people are voluntarily submitting themselves to witness things that push the envelope of normal human behavior. Your neighbors, ya not so much and that kind of play is considered BORK and not RACK.
 
2013-02-01 11:05:47 AM  

WhippingBoy: You're not allowed to have a "line" unless everyone else has that same line.


I imagine that there would be something of a normal distribution as far as "line" goes, and the general norms of behavior are right about the middle of that grouping.  What the heck, lets put out a scale out there and see how FARK rates.

1   Lesbian SM couple in gear standing idly.
2   Lesbian SM couple holding hands in leash
3   Lesbian SM couple going for "walkies" in leash
4   Lesbian SM couple making out sloppily in leash or punishing one another in some way
5   Lesbian SM couple partially disrobed and getting sexual.
I draw my line at 3.3


/FARK needs a survey HTML button for stuff like this.
 
2013-02-01 11:09:05 AM  

miss diminutive: take responsibility for raising them and answering their questions about the world they're in instead of thrusting the responsibility on others to alter their behaviour to fit your particular idea of what the world should be.


so are we getting any closer to the definition of "traditional gender roles" yet?

i told you that fark was an expert on this subject:

just good old fashioned traditional gender roles

i136.photobucket.com

i guess they take turns wearing the apron :D
 
2013-02-01 11:13:43 AM  

Tax Boy: [imageshack.us image 624x600]


imageshack.us

That^ is sexist, and you should be ashamed

static.stomp.com.sg

however this is a documentary of the Progress in America, good on you
 
2013-02-01 11:14:40 AM  

WhippingBoy: Savage Bacon: sundance1028: I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.

ORLY?

FTA: "My four-year old daughter asked me why the lady was wearing a leash. I told her that she was pretending to be a dog and that the other lady was playing the owner. My daughter loves inventing her own play scenarios and easily accepted my explanation."

Sounds like it took all of 10 seconds. Must've been brutal.


That having been said I just have to know out of curiosity - where is your line? There have to be some kinds of behavior that are unacceptable in public and I just want to know what would finally cross that line for you? I personally find the behavior of the couple in question rude, selfish and attention whorish at best. I'm fine with whatever they want to do in their own home/bedroom/torture chamber and I don't care about the gay/lesbian thing either. But there's gotta be a line somewhere. Where's yours?


Personally, nudity or blatant sexual acts would be my line. Were they fondling each other? Sloppily making out? Not even, apparently. They were just walking around, but one happened top have a leash around her neck. AWish? Perhaps, but nothing I would be offended by.

You're not allowed to have a "line" unless everyone else has that same line.


Thing is, the first part of my line is also law. As far as I know, public nudity/sexual activity is illegal (except some places where women may expose their chests, as men can), hence, it's the official "line" laid down by the laws everyone obeys if they want to keep living in society. As to the second part, I'm not quite sure about the specifics said laws have about fondling or making out heavily, but since the article doesn't mention any of that taking place, it's a moot point. Would I be offended if people groped each other in full view of the public? Probably, but I wouldn't expect everyone to have the exact same reaction as me.
 
2013-02-01 11:18:03 AM  

WhippingBoy: You're not allowed to have a "line" unless everyone else has that same line.


where to draw the line is both a philosophical and a legal question. As a legal matter there are all kinds of unprotected forms of speech and expression -- obscenity, fraud, deceptive advertising, noise and nuisance laws, inciting a riot, and in some countries, hate-speech. So there is a mostly bright line as a matter of law.

as a philosophical matter, things are trickier. For example, the current laws on obscenity include a deference to "community standards." But we can reasonably disagree about whether the standards of the community should have any relevance at all. You seem to think they should, and that why what you do in public is sometimes other people's business. Other people have argued against that, essentially saying that offending people should be a right we all have, even if it's mostly assholes who take advantage of this right.
 
2013-02-01 11:19:20 AM  
What they're doing isn't illegal. So the rest of this is just simple bigoted hyperbole.

If you change this story just slightly to "The lesbian couple down the street was out walking together, holding hands and I was terribly uncomfortable with that." then the bullshiat in the is argument becomes painfully obvious.

Two people that I don't know were doing something completely legal that I don't like, so I want them to stop and I'll hide behind my children to make it seem defensible.

If you change the bullshiat in this thread from "Pat her on the head" and "throw her a bone" to "ask which one is the husband" and "throw Leviticus tracts at them" the there is no practical difference.

Or

"I'm think that miscegenation is terrible. Why do these attention whores have to walk around my neighborhood expressing themselves freely and legally? How do I explain mixed race couples to my small child? They ask a lot of questions at that age. Why can't they just keep it behind closed doors?"
 
2013-02-01 11:25:28 AM  

Endive Wombat: gopher321: Just say to your kid, "They're crazy people. Stay away from them."

That is pretty much what I would say.  There is no need to come up with things like "they are playing puppy and owner" or even attempt to explain that the one on the leash appreciates the humiliation aspect of a BDSM lifestyle.  Keep it simple - "They are weird and crazy, stay away..."

Also, it is none of your damn business, as long as they are not doing any pubic displays of sexual behavior, keep to yourself.


Yeah, that's how we raise our kids! If people do something different they're obviously insane, stay away from them!

/Seriously? They're obnoxious as all get-out and I would laugh my ass off if the local cops pointed out that it's probably violating an obscenity law or two, but 'weird and crazy, stay away'? They aren't insane and pose no danger to anyone in the park. They're just weird and obnoxious. Teaching kids to be scared of that is not going to end well for the kid.
 
2013-02-01 11:25:55 AM  

Savage Bacon: sundance1028: I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.

ORLY?

FTA: "My four-year old daughter asked me why the lady was wearing a leash. I told her that she was pretending to be a dog and that the other lady was playing the owner. My daughter loves inventing her own play scenarios and easily accepted my explanation."

Sounds like it took all of 10 seconds. Must've been brutal.


yeah deceiving your kids is way more quicker and easier lulz

that's the best way to raise em

i'm ok you're ok, the next time you and your kids see some creepy old dude luring some small children into a van with candy, don't judge him just tell your kid that he is pretending to be an adult film director, and lulz at it

lolz lolz lulz
 
2013-02-01 11:26:06 AM  

mikefinch: why is it that the weirdos of the world get to dictate what age my kids are when they come into contact with this crap?

I know kids ask questions and those questions need to be answered honestly. I get that.

dopekitty74: Just tell the kid people are different and some people like the way the collar looks and feels.

WHY? WHY? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??? is the incessant cry of the child. And "because" isnt going to cut it. If you cant give them an answer they will take it to a teacher or something similar: "Teacher - why does the girl outside my house like the way collars feel?"  Its not so simple as just brushing their questions away with dumbed down answers.

What they are doing is just plain rude. Whats wrong with polite discourse? The worst thing that can happen is the girl keeps walking her friend in some misguided defiance of your request.

Be polite. Explain WHY its an issue and try to give an alternate option that is reasonable and not some backhanded compromise. Try to find someway to put them into your shoes and let them see things from your perspective. The whole explaining in a nonthreatening manner and then trying to compromise thing can be uncomfortable -- but it works. For some reason i can't explain; acting like a kind, reasonable, considerate and intelligent human being who is willing to listen WORKS.

Its uncomfortable and WAY harder to do than it sounds but it gets really great results. You just need them to sit back for even a half a second to ask themselves "Am i being a jerk?"  and allot of people will feel guilty about causing such a nice person such discomfort. but lets look at what can go right and wrong-
1: The girl agrees and changes her schedule. You thank them. Your child plays innocent and happy.
2: The crazy biatch snaps and bites your nose off like a crazy Saigon whore... You call the police and she is arrested and good thing to because seriously who does that?
3: they flip you off with a rude comment and continue their doggy walks. Nothing has changed i suppose so NOW its time to start worrying about the kids.

Asking strangers to stop behaviour you find innapropriate is really tough to do. just think -- 98% of people are genuinely nice and are deep inside trying to be good people. Even weirdo lesbo S&M practitioners.

Ignoring it just seems like a big complicated adult version of the cold shoulder game kids use to exert power in groups. Its dealing with the problem in the most passive aggressive way possible.


If you can't handle your kid asking Why? incessantly, you shouldn't be a parent.

You don't have to explain why that person likes it. I'm advocating teaching a child that everybody is different and different people like different things for different reasons. You can use foods or favorite colors as an example of conflicting tastes.

Ex. Ask child, what's your favorite treat? Child tells you, then you tell the child what your favorite treat is. You have a discussion about how my treat and your treat, while different are both perfectly acceptable, and that many other people will like different treats.

/I have two daughters, aged 20 and 16 who both are very accepting of people with different lifestyles and feel no need to judge based on things on the surface.
 
2013-02-01 11:30:13 AM  
Just keep filming them with your phone and posting the videos to Youtube, they'll stop eventually.  Also send me the links.
 
2013-02-01 11:35:35 AM  

december: WhippingBoy: You're not allowed to have a "line" unless everyone else has that same line.

where to draw the line is both a philosophical and a legal question. As a legal matter there are all kinds of unprotected forms of speech and expression -- obscenity, fraud, deceptive advertising, noise and nuisance laws, inciting a riot, and in some countries, hate-speech. So there is a mostly bright line as a matter of law.

as a philosophical matter, things are trickier. For example, the current laws on obscenity include a deference to "community standards." But we can reasonably disagree about whether the standards of the community should have any relevance at all. You seem to think they should, and that why what you do in public is sometimes other people's business. Other people have argued against that, essentially saying that offending people should be a right we all have, even if it's mostly assholes who take advantage of this right.


It's been my experience that the people who shout "mind your own business" the loudest are the same ones that go into histrionics when someone does something that *they* don't approve of.
 
2013-02-01 11:38:09 AM  

WhippingBoy: It's been my experience that the people who shout "mind your own business" the loudest are the same ones that go into histrionics when someone does something that *they* don't approve of.


How dare you say that! I am outraged!
 
2013-02-01 11:43:05 AM  

The Dangerous Toy: "I'm think that miscegenation is terrible. Why do these attention whores have to walk around my neighborhood expressing themselves freely and legally? How do I explain mixed race couples to my small child? They ask a lot of questions at that age. Why can't they just keep it behind closed doors?"


If my kink is, "You see me out being an exhibitionist," and I were doing it in a way that made you uncomfortable, would you be cool with that because I'm not doing anything illegal?  Honestly, its fine.  She can just walk up to these girls and say, "Hey can you not do this until later?  It bothers me and as a neighbor you should try to be considerate of me if convenient."

Why does everything have to be an intrusion into someone's rights anymore?  "You don't like what I'm doing!  ITS MY RIGHT BECAUSE I'M NOT BREAKING THE LAW!  EAT A DICK YOU STUCK UP OPPRESSOR!"  It could just has easily be, "I'm sorry that what we're doing is making you uncomfortable.  We thought it was harmless and don't really see the need but we'll indulge you because we easily can and because we don't want to be rude to the people we share a living environment with.  Thanks for letting us know and proffering a solution that might work for everyone instead of getting all up in our faces and calling us deviants or something."
 
2013-02-01 11:43:29 AM  

I drunk what: yeah deceiving your kids is way more quicker and easier lulz


Hey, it's why I'm raising mine Catholic.

http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot
 
2013-02-01 11:44:59 AM  

abfalter: Do I have to do everything myself?

[www.profilebrand.com image 400x328]


no, but you could tell me the sex of these two...
 
2013-02-01 11:47:53 AM  

Secret Agent X23: mikefinch: Show me these children who care so little about the fine details. I'm not sure "they're pretending" would have kept me off the adults back for long when i was a kid.

Maybe it wouldn't have. But "They're pretending" is what you try first. Because, as I said--and this is probably the more important part of what I said--you have to deal with the situation at hand. At this point the kid has already seen the couple, and she's not going to unsee them, and you don't have a time machine that would allow you to go back and prevent it. If the "whys" are coming, they're coming regardless of what you do or say.


I would not disagree with you. But it could have been dealt with much earlier and dealt with between adults. Captain Hindsight said so. And to be honest - i dont think dealing with the kid is the big issue here. The issue is that some individuals were acting like deviants in public and we (as a culture) dont really learn how to deal with individuals like that in a healthy manner.

Sometimes what you are doing may not be against the law but can be completely dickish and innapropriate. What if i stood outside your store on the street on public ground and just farted really loud all day? Its not illegal... ITS MY FREAKING RIGHT TO BE ABLE TO FART WHERE I PLEASE!!!

Or what if i drove a rusty van with really tinted windows down to the edge of the schoolyard and just sat their watching kids play all day while wearing big sunglasses and smoking a stale wrinkled cigarette? I would attract attention im sure -- but what if i wasn't doing anything "illegal"? Just watching children play and feeling a bit breathy officer -- nothing to see here... What? What then? Do i just get to be the guy in the van that everyone ignores? As Sundance asked -- wheres the line? The LAW seems a fairly abstract place to draw the line and its a great way to foist the decision making responsibility off of your own shoulders. Way to let someone else make the decision for you.

I'm not so sure every neighborhood should have to eat skunk butt because one person living there wants to flaunt their alternative lifestyle.
 
2013-02-01 11:48:02 AM  

Super_pope: The Dangerous Toy: "I'm think that miscegenation is terrible. Why do these attention whores have to walk around my neighborhood expressing themselves freely and legally? How do I explain mixed race couples to my small child? They ask a lot of questions at that age. Why can't they just keep it behind closed doors?"

If my kink is, "You see me out being an exhibitionist," and I were doing it in a way that made you uncomfortable, would you be cool with that because I'm not doing anything illegal?  Honestly, its fine.  She can just walk up to these girls and say, "Hey can you not do this until later?  It bothers me and as a neighbor you should try to be considerate of me if convenient."

Why does everything have to be an intrusion into someone's rights anymore?  "You don't like what I'm doing!  ITS MY RIGHT BECAUSE I'M NOT BREAKING THE LAW!  EAT A DICK YOU STUCK UP OPPRESSOR!"  It could just has easily be, "I'm sorry that what we're doing is making you uncomfortable.  We thought it was harmless and don't really see the need but we'll indulge you because we easily can and because we don't want to be rude to the people we share a living environment with.  Thanks for letting us know and proffering a solution that might work for everyone instead of getting all up in our faces and calling us deviants or something."


That's crazy talk.
 
2013-02-01 11:49:19 AM  
MassAster: "people people, calm down please. you are all forgetting the important things. are they hot?"

FTFA: "... a woman with long dreads and multiple piercings ..."

Um, my guess is not hot (unless you're into that sort of thing, of course). On the other hand, I kinda agree with the original answer. As long as the AWs aren't doing anything illegal or scaring the horses, it's probably best to ignore them. Their relationship is probably its own punishment. Don't know what to tell the kids but it sounds like the parent handled it well. No big deal. At that age, if a child sees you freaking out about it, that's apt to upset them more than the freak show itself. From what I've seen of trolls, especially the younger ones, keeping answers to questions as simple as possible seems to work pretty well. They don't need to know all the gory details.

\don't have any kids, let alone snowflakes; do not want either.
 
2013-02-01 11:50:37 AM  

SkunkWerks: I drunk what: yeah deceiving your kids is way more quicker and easier lulz

Hey, it's why I'm raising mine Catholic.

http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot


LOLZ

*highfivebro*
 
2013-02-01 11:52:34 AM  

I drunk what: SkunkWerks: I drunk what: yeah deceiving your kids is way more quicker and easier lulz

Hey, it's why I'm raising mine Catholic.

http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot

LOLZ

*highfivebro*


sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk
 
2013-02-01 11:52:38 AM  
s17.postimage.org
 
2013-02-01 11:53:49 AM  
sundan
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.
That having been said I just have to know out of curiosity - where is your line? There have to be some kinds of behavior that are unacceptable in public and I just want to know what would finally cross that line for you? I personally find the behavior of the couple in question rude, selfish and attention whorish at best. I'm fine with whatever they want to do in their own home/bedroom/torture chamber and I don't care about the gay/lesbian thing either. But there's gotta be a line somewhere. Where's yours?

 - i am a parent
 - kids, in general, are never "simple"
 - if you find it rude (whatever the behavior) and you want your kids to know that, tell them - ("we don't do that here because....") My mother was a firm believer in "English in the living room, French in the bedroom"
  - i encouraged my son to ask directly, within my ear shot, and then speak to him after - ignoring other
people is a terrific way to grow up unprepared
  - of course, I did get called to the principles office when he was in the 3rd grade after he told a classmate "all about being gay" - turns out he said "its when two people like each other"

   the horror
 
2013-02-01 11:54:04 AM  
this thread:

p.twimg.com

you guys need to tone down the bigoted hate speech, and mind your own business

kudos on the cute couples with leashes and their fabulous choice of public displays of affection

you go girls!
 
2013-02-01 11:57:10 AM  

I drunk what: Savage Bacon: sundance1028: I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.

ORLY?

FTA: "My four-year old daughter asked me why the lady was wearing a leash. I told her that she was pretending to be a dog and that the other lady was playing the owner. My daughter loves inventing her own play scenarios and easily accepted my explanation."

Sounds like it took all of 10 seconds. Must've been brutal.

yeah deceiving your kids is way more quicker and easier lulz

that's the best way to raise em

i'm ok you're ok, the next time you and your kids see some creepy old dude luring some small children into a van with candy, don't judge him just tell your kid that he is pretending to be an adult film director, and lulz at it

lolz lolz lulz


I don't see the deception; it's the truth - one of them is pretending to be the pet of the other one.

No need mention why they're doing it (the sexual thrill) until the kid understands the concept of sexual thrill.
 
2013-02-01 11:59:08 AM  

I drunk what: this thread:

[p.twimg.com image 600x448]

you guys need to tone down the bigoted hate speech, and mind your own business

kudos on the cute couples with leashes and their fabulous choice of public displays of affection

you go girls!


What the hell? This whole thread is about how we shouldn't tell people what to do, and here you are telling people what to do...
 
2013-02-01 12:05:31 PM  
Poop on her lawn.
 
2013-02-01 12:06:50 PM  
So, nothing more substantial than "I don't personally like it and that makes it rude, so they so they should stop it despite doing nothing either illegal or immoral."?

Phrasing it politely makes it no less bigoted, just civil.

"Hey, I don't mean to be rude - and please forgive me for intruding on your walk, but I'm desperately small minded and afraid of things that are different. My child doesn't understand and exhibiting some natural curiosity, so I need to convey to him that you're somehow bad, or wrong. Would you please not expose them to your preferences? Thanks, that would be just awesome."

It's legal and affects absolutely no one.
 
2013-02-01 12:07:38 PM  
pretty much good advice on how to respond to people who are inappropriately involving strangers in their own S/M play. He goes awry, however, when he implies that it's equivalent to the transgender mom.

If you're wearing the same clothes, and doing the same types of things that half of the population is doing, that is totally not equivalent to an explicitly sexual exercise in exhibitionism like walking around with a leash.

False equivalency aside, sure, go up and talk to them.
 
2013-02-01 12:11:41 PM  
What is the parent going to do when her kid sees a person of a different race for the first time and wants to know why their skin is a different color?  Is she going to ask them to go be black somewhere else?
 
2013-02-01 12:11:51 PM  
FTA: "I don't love having to explain S&M role-play to my four-year old."

I'm pretty sure you can just leave it at "they're playing pretend." 
A four year old isn't going to demand any further justification or explanation.
 
2013-02-01 12:12:29 PM  
sundance1028:  may be wrong, but it's just a hunch.

That having been said I just have to know out of curiosity - where is your line?


I have kids. 10 and 6.
They see mixed ethnic relationships, they see same sex relationships, they see happy couples, divorced couples, couples who are terrible to each other, etc.

I would treat this like i do most things they see.
What they are doing is between them and as long as they are not hurting each other or anyone else, then I will just hope they are happy together. I reinforce that they (my kids) do not have to act that way but when they get older those types of things might look different to them and they can come talk to me about anything they want. At that point they either go, "ok, Dad is cool with that." or they ask more questions. All of which I try to answer with a balance of intelligence, honesty, and age appropriateness.

Where is the line?
- Sexual Nudity in public. Nude beach or sunbathing who cares? Two folks getting undressed in the park to fark on a blanket, I might say something.
- Violence and Abuse: Yes, I interceded in obvious public domestic abuse or violent individuals. You just have to determine your risk as to whether you "call in" in help or speak up yourself.

When my kids see me ACT on something, they know I am dead serious that whatever that is is NOT ok in any way (based on my morals, beliefs, and decision-making). Otherwise, intelligent and heartfelt discussions rule the day.
 
2013-02-01 12:13:47 PM  

SkunkWerks: I drunk what: SkunkWerks: I drunk what: yeah deceiving your kids is way more quicker and easier lulz

Hey, it's why I'm raising mine Catholic.

http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot

LOLZ

*highfivebro*

[sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk image 600x700]


*fistsskunkwerks*

Gaseous Anomaly: I don't see the deception; it's the truth - one of them is pretending to be the pet of the other one.


yes i get it, and the old guy in the van is just pretending to be an adult film director, no harm, just innocent cute fun

Gaseous Anomaly: No need mention why they're doing it (the sexual thrill) until the kid understands the concept of sexual thrill.


oh don't worry about that, they will learn soon enough lulz

WhippingBoy: What the hell? This whole thread is about how we shouldn't tell people what to do, and here you are telling people what to do...


are you afraid of other people's lifestyles? don't be so bigoted with your hateful views
 
2013-02-01 12:14:22 PM  

mikefinch: I would not disagree with you. But it could have been dealt with much earlier and dealt with between adults. Captain Hindsight said so.


Now that you mention it, the article seems a bit ambiguous on that point. It may not have been this way, but as I read it, the first time the questioner actually saw the leash was with the kid present. Prior to that, it's just hearsay from the neighbor. Even if I'm inclined to approach the couple and ask them to behave more discreetly, I would have to see the questionable behavior first with my own two eyes. So as I view it, no chance to deal with it earlier between adults.

And to be honest - i dont think dealing with the kid is the big issue here. The issue is that some individuals were acting like deviants in public and we (as a culture) dont really learn how to deal with individuals like that in a healthy manner.

I'm not into that sort of lifestyle, but I view the whole thing pretty much at the "meh" end of the spectrum. As long as folks keep it within the parameters of safe, sane, and consensual (with the implication that that also covers complying with whatever's legal), I'm not sure I see it as something I have to "deal with." I would be comfortable telling my kid they're "playing" and leaving it at that (I would prefer "playing" rather than "pretending" on the basis that it may be more precise, but I wouldn't fault someone for coming up with "pretending" on the spur of the moment).
 
2013-02-01 12:15:19 PM  
Crazy farks like this can't be reasoned with. Either move, or off them. Unfortunately the latter holds dire consequences even though it shouldn't. Some people deserve it, and they get away with being alive day after day, ruining the Earth.
 
2013-02-01 12:16:22 PM  

dopekitty74: If you can't handle your kid asking Why? incessantly, you shouldn't be a parent.

You don't have to explain why that person likes it. I'm advocating teaching a child that everybody is different and different people like different things for different reasons. You can use foods or favorite colors as an example of conflicting tastes.

Ex. Ask child, what's your favorite treat? Child tells you, then you tell the child what your favorite treat is. You have a discussion about how my treat and your treat, while different are both perfectly acceptable, and that many other people will like different treats.


Im sure there are lots of great ways to explain it. Explaining it isnt really the big problem. I just wanted to point out that people are making it look sooooooo simple when... Its not. Its a weird thing to happen and any parent would have a bit of a fumble with it. I just don't like people acting like you can wave your wrist at that stuff and have kids just accept the simplified answers you give them.

It doesn't mean i have to tolerate every alternatively life-styled weirdo and their public fetish. I'm sure I can explain lots of stuff to my kids -- i don't think I as a parent should have to put up with people acting like douche bags in front of my kid just because they can.
 
2013-02-01 12:18:09 PM  

ringersol: A four year old isn't going to demand any further justification or explanation.


THIS^

has always been my experience with kids

/and people used to question the benefits of ritalin :D

and if they do ask, fark em, they should mind their own business
 
2013-02-01 12:22:29 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: I don't see the deception; it's the truth - one of them is pretending to be the pet of the other one.


This. I thought the parent in TFA handled it perfectly. It's a game of make-believe that they enjoy (even if most adults do not).

End of explanation.
 
2013-02-01 12:22:32 PM  

dopekitty74: If you can't handle your kid asking Why? incessantly, you shouldn't be a parent.

You don't have to explain why that person likes it. I'm advocating teaching a child that everybody is different and different people like different things for different reasons. You can use foods or favorite colors as an example of conflicting tastes.


THIS^

if your kid asks why your neighbor is farking a goat, you just tell your kids that some people like pizza and other people like purple

whatever floats your boat

i'm ok you're ok
 
2013-02-01 12:22:53 PM  

I drunk what: WhippingBoy: What the hell? This whole thread is about how we shouldn't tell people what to do, and here you are telling people what to do...

are you afraid of other people's lifestyles? don't be so bigoted with your hateful views


Aren't people allowed to express bigoted views? The next time you see a Klan march, or a WBC demonstration, STFU and mind your own business.
 
2013-02-01 12:24:54 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: Gaseous Anomaly: I don't see the deception; it's the truth - one of them is pretending to be the pet of the other one.

This. I thought the parent in TFA handled it perfectly. It's a game of make-believe that they enjoy (even if most adults do not).

End of explanation.


i'm ok you're ok

why do people even have to discuss this? i thought we were making progress in this country, but if we have to stop and debate this stuff EVERYtime it happens, it's not really progress is it?

i am disappoint murrica

you'll get over it lulz
 
2013-02-01 12:25:06 PM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-01 12:27:15 PM  

WhippingBoy: Aren't people allowed to express bigoted views?


not on this site

Hi Everybody,

Please remember that posting any thoughts contrary to the IB is verboten on Fark no matter how easy it is to find it online.  That includes pictures, websites and other information someone might use to point out what narrow minded douchebags they are. I know we all hate religious people and bad tippers (unless they vote democrat), but it's not like anything you post will make a difference anyway.

We appreciate your help.

/welcome to fark.jpg
 
2013-02-01 12:27:39 PM  
I'll take desperate cries for attention for $400, Alex.
 
2013-02-01 12:27:43 PM  

SkunkWerks: Debeo Summa Credo: These deranged freaks should have bricks thrown at them.

What if they also derive pleasure having bricks thrown at them?


Silk Specter: Hey, you remember that guy? The one who pretended to be a supervillain so he could get beaten up?
Night Owl: Oh, You mean Captain Carnage. Ha ha ha! He was one for the books.
Silk Specter : You're telling me! I remember, I caught him coming out of this jeweller's. I didn't know what his racket was. I start hitting him and I think "Jeez! He's breathing funny! Does he have asthma?"
Night Owl : Ha Ha Ha. He tried that with me, only I'd heard about him, so I just walked away. He follows me down the street in broad daylight, right? He's saying "Punish me! PUNISH ME!" I'm saying "No! Get lost!"
Silk Specter : Ha Ha Ha. What ever happened to him?
Night Owl : Well, he pulled it on Rorschach, and Rorschach dropped him down an elevator shaft.
 
2013-02-01 12:28:07 PM  

I drunk what: SkunkWerks: I drunk what: SkunkWerks: I drunk what: yeah deceiving your kids is way more quicker and easier lulz

Hey, it's why I'm raising mine Catholic.

http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot

LOLZ

*highfivebro*

[sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk image 600x700]

*fistsskunkwerks*

Gaseous Anomaly: I don't see the deception; it's the truth - one of them is pretending to be the pet of the other one.

yes i get it, and the old guy in the van is just pretending to be an adult film director, no harm, just innocent cute fun


You're probably trolling, but I'll ask anyway: are you seriously equating two women walking around with one on a leash to a sexual predator and pedophile?
 
2013-02-01 12:37:59 PM  

Savage Bacon: a sexual predator and pedophile?


p.twimg.com

WHOOOOA easy there chief bigot of them all, i already asked you nicely:

I drunk what: you guys need to tone down the bigoted hate speech, and mind your own business


you're probably trolling, but I'll ask anway: are you seriously discriminating against the lifestyle choices of two cute women vs. some cute old man?

you should mind your own business, good day sir!

you are going to look so stupid 40 years from now with your backwards and bigoted hate speech

i233.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-01 12:43:27 PM  
mikefinch - It doesn't mean i have to tolerate every alternatively life-styled weirdo and their public fetish. I'm sure I can explain lots of stuff to my kids -- i don't think I as a parent should have to put up with people acting like douche bags in front of my kid just because they can.

...actually, tolerance is a good thing and vastly overlooked in the argument about "rights" - I don't think your
being a parent has anything to do with someone else's legal behavior.
...i would posit that it isn't your kids having a problem - they likely have no reference to this at all - its you, the adult, who sees this and thinks "icky sexual stuff"

  no fault in that, but projecting you bias onto your kids assures they will either be just like you - or nothing like you when they rebel
 
2013-02-01 12:45:34 PM  

I drunk what: Savage Bacon: a sexual predator and pedophile?

[p.twimg.com image 600x448]

WHOOOOA easy there chief bigot of them all, i already asked you nicely:

I drunk what: you guys need to tone down the bigoted hate speech, and mind your own business

you're probably trolling, but I'll ask anway: are you seriously discriminating against the lifestyle choices of two cute women vs. some cute old man?

you should mind your own business, good day sir!

you are going to look so stupid 40 years from now with your backwards and bigoted hate speech

[i233.photobucket.com image 701x528]


Heh, trolling it is.

*joins in brofisting goodness*
 
2013-02-01 12:50:19 PM  

The Dangerous Toy: "Hey, I don't mean to be rude - and please forgive me for intruding on your walk, but I'm desperately small minded and afraid of things that are different. My child doesn't understand and exhibiting some natural curiosity, so I need to convey to him that you're somehow bad, or wrong. Would you please not expose them to your preferences? Thanks, that would be just awesome."


Its also the nonverbal equivalent of standing on the sidewalk screaming like a howler monkey.  Its rude. Just because what THEY are doing is legal doent stop it from being equally rude and inconsiderate. Imean -- screw the kids what if I as an adult dont want to have to see that crap when im sipping julips on my porch?

Its rude for them to do it in the first place -- why is it rude and bigoted of me to ask them to stop? I dont mind gay people - i could belive asking two gay men in a park to stop kissing would be rude. Asking a gay couple to stop makeing out hard then it might not be so rude. It may be fine and dandy but it still makes people uncomfertable and i think thats a boundry that we should try and respect. That peoples boundries are something to be considered and respected seems a lost concept.

Its legal and its not hurting anyone isnt a reason that you have to do it at noon instead of 9 in the evening.
 
2013-02-01 12:56:35 PM  
Of course, you could walk up to them and tell the they are naughty, very very naughty.

And they deserve to be punished.
 
2013-02-01 12:57:37 PM  
beerbraintrivia.com

You are different, and I hate you for it.
 
2013-02-01 01:05:35 PM  

what_now: (Last fall, my wife Pam was riding her bike sans helmet and a woman in an SUV pulled up, rolled down her window and said: "Did you forget your helmet or are you just stupid?"

She has a point.


No she doesn't.  Who is she anyway?

I would've said:  "Don't you know how to mind your own business, or are you just stupid.?"
 
2013-02-01 01:07:12 PM  
mikefinch:  "Just because what THEY are doing is legal ...It may be fine and dandy but it still makes people uncomfertable and i think thats a boundry that we should try and respect. That peoples boundries are something to be considered and respected seems a lost concept."

....try expanding your boundaries. and, maybe, ask yourself if seeing two young hetero hand-holding ppl kissing on the way home from the movies offends you as much as the scenario in this link. You've moved from "i am a parent" to "on the porch, sipping juleps". I suspect your issue is with sexuality you don't agree with (fine) and need to be protected from to keep you comfortable (sorry, no)
 
2013-02-01 01:10:48 PM  

HenryFnord: what_now: (Last fall, my wife Pam was riding her bike sans helmet and a woman in an SUV pulled up, rolled down her window and said: "Did you forget your helmet or are you just stupid?"

She has a point.

and you're in the wrong thread.


BOO
 
2013-02-01 01:21:15 PM  

serial_crusher: If your fetish involves eliciting a reaction from your unwitting neighbors, you're basically committing rape.
I'd say the best course of action is for everybody to totally ignore them, so they won't be able to get off on the thrill anymore.
Better yet, have everybody walk their significant others around on a leash.  Let these girls know they're just like all the other boring suburbanites, and their dog role play thing isn't "edgy" anymore.

/Also, let me know where this neighborhood is once that happens, so I can move there...


either you're an idiot or you've never met a victim of rape. but congratulations on the epic stupid.
 
2013-02-01 01:22:05 PM  
Farkin' boundaries! How do they work?
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-02-01 01:33:59 PM  
This is about exhibitionism and possibly humiliation.  By its very definition, exhibitionism involves other people.  If there are no people to watch you, its pointless.  If you go to a fetish club, or even a downtown bar area at night where there's only adults, I'm fine with that.  If you involve my kid, that's when I have a problem.  If this has nothing to do with a sexual kink and these people are just being weird for the sake of it, I'm okay with that.  I actually thought the lady in the article was being fairly smart about it (tells kid they're just playing, wants to ask them to only do it after 9 pm rather than ask them not to do it at all), and the advice is pretty good too (they just want the attention).

If I did run across this with my kid, I would absolutely talk to my kid and try to explain it the best as I could. "Well, you see, when two people love each other very much, sometimes some people find that walking on a leash in public can be arousing to their genitalia."
 
2013-02-01 01:37:22 PM  
When my kids ask me questions like this, I just say some people are wierd and it is ok to be wierd.
 
2013-02-01 01:43:06 PM  

I drunk what: Savage Bacon: sundance1028: I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that most everyone in this thread who is defending the kinky couple and advocating that the parent mind their own business, etc. doesn't have kids of their own. I may be wrong, but it's just a hunch. Explaining things like this to kids is never as simple as you make it sound.

ORLY?

FTA: "My four-year old daughter asked me why the lady was wearing a leash. I told her that she was pretending to be a dog and that the other lady was playing the owner. My daughter loves inventing her own play scenarios and easily accepted my explanation."

Sounds like it took all of 10 seconds. Must've been brutal.

yeah deceiving your kids is way more quicker and easier lulz

that's the best way to raise em

i'm ok you're ok, the next time you and your kids see some creepy old dude luring some small children into a van with candy, don't judge him just tell your kid that he is pretending to be an adult film director, and lulz at it

lolz lolz lulz




Are you for real? You look at the child and say " they wear it because they like too". How is two adults wearing a leash equal a predator? Get some perspective. They want to be edgy, so what, laugh point, ignore. It isn't hurting anbody. Nor is it forcing people into their kink. It's wearing a leash. Ffs
 
2013-02-01 01:57:19 PM  
How about telling your kid that what they do is none of anybody's damn business?  It's not.  MYOB.
 
2013-02-01 02:01:31 PM  

parasol: ..i would posit that it isn't your kids having a problem - they likely have no reference to this at all - its you, the adult, who sees this and thinks "icky sexual stuff"

no fault in that, but projecting you bias onto your kids assures they will either be just like you - or nothing like you when they rebel


I would posit that its the duty of the parent to recognize what is inappropriate for their children and react appropriately to protect their child from that influence.

Its not so much its icky, and sexual -- its that they are using those two things to draw inappropriate attention to themselves from parties who aren't exactly the most consensual of participants. Sorry if i don't want kids around people like that. I just dont think that set of traits points to someone who is going to be responsible and trustworthy around them. Drama breeds drama.

And wtf is this crap about not projecting your biases onto your child? Raising a child without imprinting yourself deeply upon their personality is like making a grape free raisin. It cant be done and trying to do so is foolish. Why would anyone want to raise a child and not form them a bit in your image? To correct their own parents mistakes and to preserve the things they instilled in you that you yourself value? Isnt that kinda what the whole haveing kids thing is about?
 
2013-02-01 02:07:24 PM  
If they do this regularly, I would be tempted to

A) carry doggy treats (tootsie rolls or something) with me just in case I ran into them.
B)  Carry some religious tracts about lesbianism, figuring that since we aren't respecting what our neighbors are exposed to and all that.

I think the doggie treats would be more fun.
 
2013-02-01 02:09:23 PM  

KrispyKritter: either you're an idiot or you've never met a victim of rape. but congratulations on the epic stupid.


Crushers language might be an enormous stretch, but the idea that dragging other people into your sex thing whether they like it or not is kinda discomforting.
 
2013-02-01 02:09:51 PM  
There is no argument here that can't be equally applied to "vanilla" same sex couples exercising their legal freedoms in public. Or mixed race couples, or people that wear any other clothing someone finds offensive.

And it's all equally provincial bigotry.

"I don't like you dressing like a vampire in public, especially because I think its roots are sexual in nature and you're deriving pleasure from your behaviour . It scares me and I need to make certain that my children understand that they should be afraid of it too. If you must express yourself legally, can't you at least do it after dark when they can't see you?"
 
2013-02-01 02:12:28 PM  

mikefinch: It cant be done and trying to do so is foolish.


I can think of a lot of things we'd have never accomplished with that attitude.  Rule of law, for one thing...
 
2013-02-01 02:17:52 PM  
happybabysolutions.com
 
2013-02-01 02:39:43 PM  

mikefinch: dopekitty74: If you can't handle your kid asking Why? incessantly, you shouldn't be a parent.

You don't have to explain why that person likes it. I'm advocating teaching a child that everybody is different and different people like different things for different reasons. You can use foods or favorite colors as an example of conflicting tastes.

Ex. Ask child, what's your favorite treat? Child tells you, then you tell the child what your favorite treat is. You have a discussion about how my treat and your treat, while different are both perfectly acceptable, and that many other people will like different treats.

Im sure there are lots of great ways to explain it. Explaining it isnt really the big problem. I just wanted to point out that people are making it look sooooooo simple when... Its not. Its a weird thing to happen and any parent would have a bit of a fumble with it. I just don't like people acting like you can wave your wrist at that stuff and have kids just accept the simplified answers you give them.

It doesn't mean i have to tolerate every alternatively life-styled weirdo and their public fetish. I'm sure I can explain lots of stuff to my kids -- i don't think I as a parent should have to put up with people acting like douche bags in front of my kid just because they can.


I'm sorry you think you shouldn't have to put up with people acting like douche bags in front of your kid.  But if you take your kid out in public, you do.  It's not your choice any more.

But a couple out with a leash is no more offensive than a couple out holding hands.  They're not being douche bags.  Yes, they're being publicly affectionate.  No, it's not at a level that you have a right to stop them.  And It's your problem that you're offended, not theirs.  It's your problem that you have to explain something to your crotchfruit, not theirs.  They didn't ask your crotchfruit to walk down the public street, did they?  No, you did that.

Now, a young kid will accept the "they're playing pretend" explanation reasonably well, and it's essentially accurate.  If the kid asks for more information, like what they're playing, you can simply say "I don't know" since that's also accurate if you haven't asked the couple about the specifics of their relationship.  And it is VERY healthy for a kid to understand that you don't actually know everything, and can't answer every question.  Trying to answer everything by making up explanations is setting the kid up for a nasty shock when it realizes you were lying.
 
2013-02-01 02:50:37 PM  

miss diminutive: Twitch Boy: Punch him in the face.

Reread the headline and article, it's a lesbian couple.

FTA: But I don't love having to explain S&M role-play to my four-year old...

Can we all just officially conclude that "I don't want to have to take time to explain your actions to my offspring so just stop doing what I don't like" is a pathetically lazy and worthless argument? It's your damn kid, take responsibility for raising them and answering their questions about the world they're in instead of thrusting the responsibility on others to alter their behaviour to fit your particular idea of what the world should be.

/the woman is clearly an AW anyway, so who cares?


Dude, IT'S A FARKING FOUR YEAR OLD! A four year old isn't supposed to know about sex.
 
2013-02-01 02:55:20 PM  
I was so looking forward to a Spentmiles entry.
 
2013-02-01 02:56:02 PM  

Baelz: There are plenty of BDSM events to take them out on a leash, where people are voluntarily submitting themselves to witness things that push the envelope of normal human behavior. Your neighbors, ya not so much and that kind of play is considered BORK


thequeenofquirk.typepad.com
 
2013-02-01 02:57:16 PM  

Bontesla: You should throw the leashed girlfriend a bone.


HARD!

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-01 03:03:21 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Dude, IT'S A FARKING FOUR YEAR OLD! A four year old isn't supposed to know about sex.



Then leave out the part about the strap ons and double ended things and nipple sucking and you should be fine.

/be in my bunk
 
2013-02-01 03:06:34 PM  

The Dangerous Toy: What they're doing isn't illegal. So the rest of this is just simple bigoted hyperbole.

If you change this story just slightly to "The lesbian couple down the street was out walking together, holding hands and I was terribly uncomfortable with that." then the bullshiat in the is argument becomes painfully obvious.

Two people that I don't know were doing something completely legal that I don't like, so I want them to stop and I'll hide behind my children to make it seem defensible.

If you change the bullshiat in this thread from "Pat her on the head" and "throw her a bone" to "ask which one is the husband" and "throw Leviticus tracts at them" the there is no practical difference.

Or

"I'm think that miscegenation is terrible. Why do these attention whores have to walk around my neighborhood expressing themselves freely and legally? How do I explain mixed race couples to my small child? They ask a lot of questions at that age. Why can't they just keep it behind closed doors?"


0/10
 
2013-02-01 03:16:09 PM  

DarkVader: I'm sorry you think you shouldn't have to put up with people acting like douche bags in front of your kid


Do you think anyone should have to put up with people acting like douche bags? Is expecting some consideration from other human beings that outrageous?
 
2013-02-01 03:21:31 PM  
My kids probably wouldn't even notice.  If they did, the answer would be "it's their thing just like some people like to color their hair pink."  Kids happy, AWs dismissed from their minds.


/and a later discussion about the kids not tying things around anyone's necks.
 
2013-02-01 03:24:05 PM  
So just to review:

A Cristmas tree on public land=OHMYGODTHISISANOUTRAGEWHARGARBLBEL!
Two people performing exhibitionist acts on public land=Anyone who thinks this is inappropriate is a bigot and a dumbass!
 
2013-02-01 03:24:06 PM  

WhippingBoy: I drunk what: this thread:

[p.twimg.com image 600x448]

you guys need to tone down the bigoted hate speech, and mind your own business

kudos on the cute couples with leashes and their fabulous choice of public displays of affection

you go girls!

What the hell? This whole thread is about how we shouldn't tell people what to do, and here you are telling people what to do...


Oh, you must be just meeting IDW. Usually he keeps to evolution threads.
 
2013-02-01 03:29:01 PM  
You don't have to go into anything more with your kid than "They're playing pretend." That's it. Any kid is going to instantly understand that, since they spend a significant amount of time pretending to be something else, anything from a cat to a fireman. It's not a big deal.

When I was a child, I spent a lot of time pretending to be a horse, even getting 'hitched' to wagons and pulling my friends around. I wasn't engaging in pony-play, I was literally engaging in horse-play :) If I saw someone in full pony-play gear when I was that age, I wouldn't think "Oh, weird adult sex stuff" I would be thinking "Where can I get a harness like that?"
 
2013-02-01 03:29:47 PM  

mikefinch: It doesn't mean i have to tolerate every alternatively life-styled weirdo and their public fetish. I'm sure I can explain lots of stuff to my kids -- i don't think I as a parent should have to put up with people acting like douche bags in front of my kid just because they can.


I'm sure your children have bothered more people in public than people in public have ever bothered your children.

/self righteous self important parent? shocking
 
2013-02-01 03:30:38 PM  
Kid: Why is that person on a leash?

Me: I dunno. They want to be I suppose.

Kid: But why?

Me: We all have our sins kiddo...
 
2013-02-01 03:33:43 PM  

SkunkWerks: I can think of a lot of things we'd have never accomplished with that attitude. Rule of law, for one thing...


i dont think you got my point.

DarkVader: But a couple out with a leash is no more offensive than a couple out holding hands. They're not being douche bags. Yes, they're being publicly affectionate. No, it's not at a level that you have a right to stop them. And It's your problem that you're offended, not theirs. It's your problem that you have to explain something to your crotchfruit, not theirs. They didn't ask your crotchfruit to walk down the public street, did they? No, you did that.


Yeah -- what was my freaking problem thinking the public areas of our societies would be relatively kink free?

I dont even think the leash is that bad -- but i can't see any reason to just "ignore them and let them be." Its so freaking easy to be polite and ask them to do it at a different time. Its not like i have some beef with lesbos on leashes. Whatever -- i do have a problem with being told to stuff a thumb up your ass every time someone in public makes you uncomfortable.

Think about the homeless -- they are repulsive and smelly and their lifestyle disgusts me. They make me uncomfortable. People didnt like them asking for money -- it made them uncofortable . Now we have pan handling laws so i dont have to be accosted by greasy transients! Infact vagrants are often told to bugger off... I know plenty of elderly folk that will tell teenagers sucking face to cut it out and find a room.

How is it any different from panhandling? A garish spectacle wants something you have, be it money or attention.
 
2013-02-01 03:40:49 PM  
Here's the best idea if you people like that... become their friend!!!  They will have the good drugs!

Also, minding your own business is a perfectly acceptable response to their walks.  As for the daughter's question, an "I don't know" is acceptable... seeing as how until you talk to them, you really don't know.
 
2013-02-01 03:41:09 PM  

Giant Clown Shoe: I'm sure your children have bothered more people in public than people in public have ever bothered your children.

/self righteous self important parent? shocking


Yeah but when people complain about my kids i beat them savagely. When i complain about other people they just act all entitled and self righteous.

Richard C Stanford: So just to review:

A Cristmas tree on public land=OHMYGODTHISISANOUTRAGEWHARGARBLBEL!
Two people performing exhibitionist acts on public land=Anyone who thinks this is inappropriate is a bigot and a dumbass!


You got it.
 
2013-02-01 03:42:37 PM  

EnglishMan: Do you think anyone should have to put up with people acting like douche bags?


Yes... that's the very essence of a free society.
 
2013-02-01 03:43:50 PM  

Richard C Stanford: So just to review:

A Cristmas tree on public land while not allowing other religious holiday icons=OHMYGODTHISISANOUTRAGEWHARGARBLBEL!
Two people performing exhibitionist acts on public land=Anyone who thinks this is inappropriate is a bigot and a dumbass!


You left out an important part, so I added it in to remove confusion...
 
2013-02-01 04:04:28 PM  

sandi_fish: How about telling your kid that what they do is none of anybody's damn business?  It's not.  MYOB.


It's not?
Why do I have to wear clothes then? Could I just walk around naked and tell people who object "It's none of your business!"?
 
2013-02-01 04:06:22 PM  

stonicus: A Cristmas tree on public land while not allowing other religious holiday icons=OHMYGODTHISISANOUTRAGEWHARGARBLBEL!
Two people performing exhibitionist acts on public land=Anyone who thinks this is inappropriate is a bigot and a dumbass!


I strongly advocate putting up pagan holiday icons.  I have never met a group of people wanting to be oppressed more than neo pagans, and the sooner we just mainstream them the sooner it won't be fun for them anymore.
 
2013-02-01 04:08:41 PM  

stonicus: EnglishMan: Do you think anyone should have to put up with people acting like douche bags?

Yes... that's the very essence of a free society.


YEAH!! fark life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. All i hear is act like a big farkwad.

And wtf is the deal about the holiday icons? I have heard plenty of similar stories that didn't involve someone else trying to put up a menorah or a green crescent moon...
 
2013-02-01 04:10:04 PM  

mikefinch: why is it that the weirdos of the world get to dictate what age my kids are when they come into contact with this crap?

I know kids ask questions and those questions need to be answered honestly. I get that.

dopekitty74: Just tell the kid people are different and some people like the way the collar looks and feels.

WHY? WHY? WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY??? is the incessant cry of the child. And "because" isnt going to cut it. If you cant give them an answer they will take it to a teacher or something similar: "Teacher - why does the girl outside my house like the way collars feel?"  Its not so simple as just brushing their questions away with dumbed down answers.

What they are doing is just plain rude. Whats wrong with polite discourse? The worst thing that can happen is the girl keeps walking her friend in some misguided defiance of your request.

Be polite. Explain WHY its an issue and try to give an alternate option that is reasonable and not some backhanded compromise. Try to find someway to put them into your shoes and let them see things from your perspective. The whole explaining in a nonthreatening manner and then trying to compromise thing can be uncomfortable -- but it works. For some reason i can't explain; acting like a kind, reasonable, considerate and intelligent human being who is willing to listen WORKS.

Its uncomfortable and WAY harder to do than it sounds but it gets really great results. You just need them to sit back for even a half a second to ask themselves "Am i being a jerk?"  and allot of people will feel guilty about causing such a nice person such discomfort. but lets look at what can go right and wrong-
1: The girl agrees and changes her schedule. You thank them. Your child plays innocent and happy.
2: The crazy biatch snaps and bites your nose off like a crazy Saigon whore... You call the police and she is arrested and good thing to because seriously who does that?
3: they flip you off with a rude comment and continue their doggy walks. Noth ...


Take some advice from someone smarter than you (substitute gays with anything that "freaks" you out)

"It doesn't have any effect on your life. What do you care?! People try to talk about it like it's a social issue. Like when you see someone stand up on a talk show and say, "How am I supposed to explain to my children that two men are getting married?... I dunno. It's your sh*tty kid. You f*ckin' tell 'em. Why is that anyone else's problem? Two guys are in LOVE and they can't get married because you don't want to talk to your ugly child for five f*ckin' minutes?" - Louis C.K.
 
2013-02-01 04:12:39 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: It's not?
Why do I have to wear clothes then? Could I just walk around naked and tell people who object "It's none of your business!"?


Yeah -- And then THEY would be the chumps for feeling weird that they were talking to a naked dude. What freaks.
 
2013-02-01 04:13:16 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: sandi_fish: How about telling your kid that what they do is none of anybody's damn business?  It's not.  MYOB.

It's not?
Why do I have to wear clothes then? Could I just walk around naked and tell people who object "It's none of your business!"?


Well. it is against the law wear no clothing in public.  What they are doing is not illegal.  Do you see the difference there genius?
 
2013-02-01 04:14:54 PM  
You just tell your kid "Those people are crazy.  Stay away from them".

The same way you would with the Blacks, Jews, Gays, etc.
 
2013-02-01 04:43:27 PM  

stonicus: EnglishMan: Do you think anyone should have to put up with people acting like douche bags?

Yes... that's the very essence of a free society.


We don't live in free societies, there are limits.
 
2013-02-01 04:49:05 PM  

CrazyCracka420: "It doesn't have any effect on your life. What do you care?! People try to talk about it like it's a social issue. Like when you see someone stand up on a talk show and say, "How am I supposed to explain to my children that two men are getting married?... I dunno. It's your sh*tty kid. You f*ckin' tell 'em. Why is that anyone else's problem? Two guys are in LOVE and they can't get married because you don't want to talk to your ugly child for five f*ckin' minutes?" - Louis C.K.


wait wait wait wait wait. Thats a whole other barrel of fish. Nobody is stepping on anyone's civil rights here.

I'm fine with talking to the kid. If they want to be kinky thats fine. I do however find their behavior a bit offputting and i think i am entirely justified in walking up to them and politely explaining why i would like them to change what they are doing.

I honestly dont mind having that talk with my kid. Just because my son knows about male anatomy doesn't mean his grandpa gets to let his old balls hang out of his grandpa boxers while my kid is in the room. Just because you can talk to your kid about something and give them a healthy outlook on life doesn't mean you just let them hang around it and being exposed to it no longer matters.

The problem isnt that people cant talk to their kids. Its that unless its explicitly stated as illegal it apparently should be ok to do in public places where children are expected to be at play. And that even politely requesting they alter their behavior gets people up in arms about how rude to ask people to change like that while not even touching the fact that their behavior is equally if not more rude.

Just seems wildly idealistic and out of touch with reality to me.
 
2013-02-01 05:02:06 PM  

Richard C Stanford: So just to review:

A Cristmas tree on public land=OHMYGODTHISISANOUTRAGEWHARGARBLBEL!
Two people performing exhibitionist acts on public land=Anyone who thinks this is inappropriate is a bigot and a dumbass!


if that's how you choose to frame the issue then it's no wonder the world looks very strange to you.

A different way of framing it might be:

Things done by the state are held to different standards than things done by private individuals.
 
2013-02-01 05:02:24 PM  
It's not their problem you're offended.  So it is rude to ask them to change their behavior which is perfectly acceptable.  Walking someone on a leash has no effect on you or your children.  None.
 
2013-02-01 05:06:47 PM  

sandi_fish: Bedstead Polisher: sandi_fish: How about telling your kid that what they do is none of anybody's damn business?  It's not.  MYOB.

It's not?
Why do I have to wear clothes then? Could I just walk around naked and tell people who object "It's none of your business!"?

Well. it is against the law wear no clothing in public.  What they are doing is not illegal.  Do you see the difference there genius?


Absolutely, but they are both IN PUBLIC. Anything you do in public affects those around you. I'm pretty sure that's the point of what they're doing, public humiliation. They're doing it in public which makes it everyone's business.
I'm reminded of this girl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S32bgx36G-0  Sometimes people make it hard to mind their own business when you shove your business in their face.
 
2013-02-01 05:12:35 PM  
Tell the kid if he ends up fat, he'll be farked in the head as bad as they are.
 
2013-02-01 05:25:15 PM  
Really, BDSM is fat people's way of dealing with the fact that they hate themselves. But whatever. I'd just ignore tell my kids they're acting weird if they ask.

Kids don't listen to you anyway. They watch your reaction. My kids never listen to my "logic", but they know me better than I know myself. So I just ignore people I don't like when I'm around them. No doubt they've seen through that too.
 
2013-02-01 05:46:35 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: sandi_fish: Bedstead Polisher: sandi_fish: How about telling your kid that what they do is none of anybody's damn business?  It's not.  MYOB.

It's not?
Why do I have to wear clothes then? Could I just walk around naked and tell people who object "It's none of your business!"?

Well. it is against the law wear no clothing in public.  What they are doing is not illegal.  Do you see the difference there genius?

Absolutely, but they are both IN PUBLIC. Anything you do in public affects those around you. I'm pretty sure that's the point of what they're doing, public humiliation. They're doing it in public which makes it everyone's business.
I'm reminded of this girl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S32bgx36G-0  Sometimes people make it hard to mind their own business when you shove your business in their face.


I didn't watch the video you linked.  Because of social networking goes, everything today is practically public.  Doesn't mean I have to watch it.

 As far as life goes I am live and let live.  It has no negative impact on my life, so I tend to focus on the positiver rather than get all judgmental. I have no outrage or moral contempt for them, they can do as they please.
 
2013-02-01 06:28:59 PM  
The whole issue is about humiliation, not rights.  it is D&S, not S&M.

I cannot even finish my post.  But for those who think this public exposure is an expression of rights, where would you draw the line?
 
2013-02-01 07:02:49 PM  

Nanuk-the White Bear: The whole issue is about humiliation, not rights.  it is D&S, not S&M.

I cannot even finish my post.  But for those who think this public exposure is an expression of rights, where would you draw the line?


Where do you draw the line? Be exact please.

Or don't sit back amd ask unanswerable questions.
 
2013-02-01 09:24:13 PM  

I drunk what: this thread:

[p.twimg.com image 600x448]

you guys need to tone down the bigoted hate speech, and mind your own business

kudos on the cute couples with leashes and their fabulous choice of public displays of affection

you go girls!


This is your brain on stupid.
 
2013-02-01 10:24:41 PM  

Smackledorfer: Where do you draw the line? Be exact please.

Or don't sit back amd ask unanswerable questions.


I draw the line at someone creating a huge uncomfortable inconvenience just because they feel they have a right to use those around them as boner fuel.

An exact line will never exist. The question really is kind of unanswerable. That doesnt mean the law has all the answers. It used to be completely legal and justified to tell black people to screw off of the whites water fountain... IT WAS THE LAW GODDAMNIT!!!! So justifying something as a decent way of behaving in public just because it has the support of the law isnt exactly the strongest position considering all the ways it has been twisted to screw people in the past.

Its not unreasonable to politely ask these people to stop or change what their doing a bit. Reasonalbe human beings do it all the time. Neighbours kid wants to practice his drums? I should be able to request of his parents that he keep it down at a certain time of day if i needed to sleep for a nightshift, or i needed to have a meeting on the phone. Nobody would bat an eye at that request... Or someone might ask me to stop flushing a toilet after 1AM because it wakes up the people iun the suite under mine. Its a reasonable request that while i have no reason to oblige i still do my best to accomodate their wishes when i can.

Its called talking to people like fellow adults and being civil. Ignoring people who are trying to get a rise out of you is a nice way of not dealing with the problem and hoping it goes away. Its a whole 'nother thing when you can come to someone and try to exchange points of view and empathy. If they can see you care its a 10:1 shot that they are going to try to care too.

Ignoring the attention whore is just bullying of a different shade.
 
2013-02-01 10:49:14 PM  
0/10, eh?

What that really means is you have no answer as to why two people who weren't breaking any laws whatsoever shouldn't be left alone. Or why they owe anyone anything.
 
2013-02-01 11:20:40 PM  

The Dangerous Toy: What that really means is you have no answer as to why two people who weren't breaking any laws whatsoever shouldn't be left alone. Or why they owe anyone anything.


Just because what you are doing isnt breaking any laws doesnt mean its not pissing off large tracts of the general public and generally disrespecting your fellow man.

They owe nothing. They are not obliged to listen -- however... It would be socially conscious for them to do so. If someone tells me a cliff is slippery and steep i have no obligation to listen and i can go dance out on that ledge all i want. Sometimes listening to people has benefits.
 
2013-02-01 11:31:56 PM  

mikefinch: The Dangerous Toy: What that really means is you have no answer as to why two people who weren't breaking any laws whatsoever shouldn't be left alone. Or why they owe anyone anything.

Just because what you are doing isnt breaking any laws doesnt mean its not pissing off large tracts of the general public and generally disrespecting your fellow man.

They owe nothing. They are not obliged to listen -- however... It would be socially conscious for them to do so. If someone tells me a cliff is slippery and steep i have no obligation to listen and i can go dance out on that ledge all i want. Sometimes listening to people has benefits.


Sometimes just walking by with a sigh or shake of the head does too.

Keeps one's stress down at least.
 
2013-02-01 11:38:41 PM  

mikefinch: The Dangerous Toy: What that really means is you have no answer as to why two people who weren't breaking any laws whatsoever shouldn't be left alone. Or why they owe anyone anything.

Just because what you are doing isnt breaking any laws doesnt mean its not pissing off large tracts of the general public and generally disrespecting your fellow man.

They owe nothing. They are not obliged to listen -- however... It would be socially conscious for them to do so. If someone tells me a cliff is slippery and steep i have no obligation to listen and i can go dance out on that ledge all i want. Sometimes listening to people has benefits.


So, someone dressing in a fashion that you find disagreeable is the equivalent of placing yourself in mortal danger?

This is no different than mohawk haircuts or hoodies.

It's a lifestyle choice that effects you or anyone else in no conceivable way whatsoever. Other than requiring you to occasionally share space with them.
 
2013-02-02 12:08:50 AM  

mikefinch: used to be completely legal and justified to tell black people to screw off of the whites water fountain


Now THAT'S an uncomfortable public display of kink right there.

I agree with you for the most part, FWIW. The couple has the right to AW as they are. People who are annoyed by it have the right to ask them to stop being annoying. What's the problem?
 
2013-02-02 12:20:33 AM  

milkyshirt: What's the problem?


We only grow when we face the suffering of life head on. I just really dont like the idea of brushing the whole thing off and treating them like pariahs. It makes me feel like someone who is watching on the sidelines while some kid gets bullied and not doing anything.
 
2013-02-02 12:25:34 AM  
cdn-www.i-am-bored.com
 
2013-02-02 12:44:41 AM  
By minding your own damned business and not looking.
 
2013-02-02 01:34:08 AM  

mikefinch: milkyshirt: What's the problem?

We only grow when we face the suffering of life head on. I just really dont like the idea of brushing the whole thing off and treating them like pariahs. It makes me feel like someone who is watching on the sidelines while some kid gets bullied and not doing anything.


You are insane.

Walking past a couple of lesbians with one leashing the other is now compared to allowing bullying?

And coexisting with people you don't care for without asking them to conform is making them pariahs?

Asking them to conform is suffering?

You must be trolling.
 
2013-02-02 02:28:39 AM  

mikefinch: milkyshirt: What's the problem?

We only grow when we face the suffering of life head on. I just really dont like the idea of brushing the whole thing off and treating them like pariahs. It makes me feel like someone who is watching on the sidelines while some kid gets bullied and not doing anything.


Saying it's a form of bullying is extreme, don't you think?

The couple playing their game is being pretty douchey without considering their neighbors' feelings (or considering them and just not giving a shiat). It's sort of passive-aggressive. I think they'd probably like someone to approach them about it. I have a strong disdain for attention whores so I'm not sure if I'd personally handle this situation civilly or if I'd just tell them to knock that shiat off, it's stupid. Either way, I would bet they'd like the attention. Perhaps ignoring them *is* best.
 
2013-02-02 02:31:40 AM  
And before this thread is 100% dead...

KITH's Buddy Cole and his male slave
 
2013-02-02 02:41:55 AM  

Smackledorfer: And coexisting with people you don't care for without asking them to conform is making them pariahs?


Nobody is asking them to conform. If it bothers you whats wrong with asking them to change? imean -- If they feel like they should be walking around like that dont you feel like you are equally entitled to ask them not to?

if something bothers you you should confront it rather than pretend its not there. Its rude to them. It says you dont respect them enough to treat them like adults. Disapproving of something silently just seems pathetic. At least try going to the table to try to work something out. Who knows -- maybe these girls never even thought about the children aspect of it. What if you explained yourself honestly and they said -- hey -- we get it -- and maybe they are just out for a good time and they dont actually want to be jerks to some polite neighbour with some cute little kids. Maybe you find out that they are very nice girls in a weird relationship that really seems to work. Who knows. Maybe the kink is just a little fun thing they do and they are pretty normal. Maybe they would make great babysitters? Who knows. Even if they tell you to fark off you are just in the same place you were 10 minutes ago. And you made your position known. Cant really go wrong.

If you are riding on a bus and someone is singing the hamster dance at the top of their lungs it wouldn't be a jerk thing to ask them to tone it down a bit would it?

Im not really trolling -- more like a day at the driving range than the fish pond. I just think if it really bugs you then not saying anything about it makes you a bit of a pussy.
 
2013-02-02 02:52:10 AM  
And if they are attention whores then approach it with as little drama as possible. Verbal judo those dikes.
 
2013-02-02 07:29:45 AM  

mikefinch: i dont think you got my point.


No.  I don't think you had a point.

Unless that point was "I have little to no understanding of how human endeavors function".
 
2013-02-02 08:19:51 AM  

Fano: WhippingBoy: I drunk what: this thread:

[p.twimg.com image 600x448]

you guys need to tone down the bigoted hate speech, and mind your own business

kudos on the cute couples with leashes and their fabulous choice of public displays of affection

you go girls!

What the hell? This whole thread is about how we shouldn't tell people what to do, and here you are telling people what to do...

Oh, you must be just meeting IDW. Usually he keeps to evolution threads.


This is Evolution.

The evolution of human progress.  In fact the only thing that is stopping it is conservative-republican-christian bigots.  But we are making progress in removing that retardation out of the equation.  For example, you'll notice that fewer of their posts remain.  This is not by accident.

It is by Evolution.

Here is to Progress: *raises glass*  cheers.

Thanks for doing your part, it is greatly appreciated.  We are pleased.
 
2013-02-02 08:42:57 AM  

No_Good_Name: Are you for real?


i'm ok you're ok

Novart: This is your brain on stupid.


i'm ok you're ok

Savage Bacon: Heh, trolling it is.

*joins in brofisting goodness*


oh so you were just trolling? whew thank goodness, for a moment there i was worried that you were being serious

lolz, it's scary to know people actually think like that :D

*brofisting*
 
2013-02-02 08:51:21 AM  

No_Good_Name: How is two adults wearing a leash equal a predator?


no person is illegal
 
2013-02-02 12:09:05 PM  

mikefinch: And if they are attention whores then approach it with as little drama as possible. Verbal judo those dikes.


Ah, there we go. No more hiding behind the "children". Just naked bigotry.

I knew we'd get there if we just let it play out.
 
2013-02-02 06:03:38 PM  

The Dangerous Toy: mikefinch: And if they are attention whores then approach it with as little drama as possible. Verbal judo those dikes.

Ah, there we go. No more hiding behind the "children". Just naked bigotry.

I knew we'd get there if we just let it play out.


? the hell? The children are what inspired the guy to get annoyed. They are the whole reason the guy had a problem in the first place. Children, religion, yourself... IF SOMETHING GETS ON YOUR NERVES FOR SOME REASON THEN farkING SAY SOMETHING. If you like a person you wont get anywhere unless you step up to bat. If someone is pissing you off for some reason say something.

People need to get over the idea that confronting someone politely about their behavior in public is bigoted. Is it really impossible to disagree with anything without hating it? Are you a bigot if you ask a coworker who doesnt shower nearly enough to go have a shower because their smell is disgusting?

SkunkWerks: mikefinch: i dont think you got my point.

No.  I don't think you had a point.

Unless that point was "I have little to no understanding of how human endeavors function".


I belive my point was  you can't really raise a child without printing yourself onto them. Its not something that can be avoided  Nor should it be. It is the nature of itself and it is what it is. Thinking you can raise a child without printing your values all over them is no crazier than thinking you can raise a gay kid straight and make it work.

Some things are the way they are and cannot be changed. You cannot make a raisin without a grape. The process of making one requires the other and no amount of technology short of replicators can change that. Its not a question of attitude its a question of THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE. 1+1=2. If you feel like that is a go nowhere attitude that stifles innovation then fine.
 
2013-02-02 07:20:33 PM  

SpaceBison: [happybabysolutions.com image 480x480]


In her defense, there are redheaded twins involved.
 
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