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(WTOP)   The DC area is bracing for a winter storm of gargantuan proportions that is expected to bring the morning commute to its knees and turn the entire region into an icy hell of snarled traffic and human misery. Total accumulation? Eh, about an inch   (wtop.com) divider line 112
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2013-02-01 06:52:57 AM
Long headline is long.
 
2013-02-01 06:54:00 AM
I'm a Buffalo, NY native, transplanted to DC.  People here go insane about absolutely trivial accumulations on a regular basis.  Part of the problem is the complete lack of infrastructure (plows, salt piles, etc).  Whenever a "snowpocalypse" or "snowmaggedon" or whatever hits they end up importing equipment and manpower from Baltimore.  Still, that doesn't mean you have to drive like a moron, DC drivers need to get their shiat together.
 
2013-02-01 06:54:22 AM
If the government shuts down for a day or two, would anyone even notice?
 
2013-02-01 06:54:45 AM
Speaking as a Floridian, one inch of snow can be seriously damaging if you are not equipped for it as a municipality and very dangerous if the majority of your citizens have no idea how to handle it.

Sandy was a nothing hurricane for Florida, but put it up in New York and it is a serious disaster. Local context is very important.
 
2013-02-01 06:55:21 AM
That's about right for the Nova-D.C. 'burban clusterfark.
Next step: Go to nearest supermarket and buy every single bit of the bread, milk, water, ice melt, and snow shovels.

/I do not miss that farkity farking hellish shiat hole of a place.
 
2013-02-01 06:55:48 AM
I need to GTFO this area. I'm used to lake-effect snow stormswhere "oh its snowing!" ends with "...oh." an hour later when there is a foot of snow. in an hour. Yet an inch here is crazy cause apparently my city uses molasses and sand instead of salt.
 
2013-02-01 06:56:24 AM
Christ, and I have to drop the dog off at the kennel and then drive to upstate NY this morning.

I mean, I lived in the midwest for 3 years, so it doesn't worry me.  The other drivers worry me.  A lot.
 
2013-02-01 06:56:34 AM
Crap, I went out in this to catch my bus... and my bus never showed up. I waited from 6:15 to 6:45 for the damn thing. There were no tire tracks in the snow so I didn't miss it. It sucked.
 
2013-02-01 06:56:50 AM

MysteryMachine: I'm a Buffalo, NY native, transplanted to DC.  People here go insane about absolutely trivial accumulations on a regular basis.  Part of the problem is the complete lack of infrastructure (plows, salt piles, etc).  Whenever a "snowpocalypse" or "snowmaggedon" or whatever hits they end up importing equipment and manpower from Baltimore.  Still, that doesn't mean you have to drive like a moron, DC drivers need to get their shiat together.


I live in Georgia, and have no idea how to drive in snow. But we only get to practice one or two days every three years or so.
 
2013-02-01 06:59:48 AM
Tis snowing. Yay!!
 
2013-02-01 07:00:23 AM
As someone about to start my morning commute in Nova I'm getting a kick.
 
2013-02-01 07:01:43 AM

Darke: I need to GTFO this area. I'm used to lake-effect snow stormswhere "oh its snowing!" ends with "...oh." an hour later when there is a foot of snow. in an hour. Yet an inch here is crazy cause apparently my city uses molasses and sand instead of salt.


Around here they use some kind of brine mixture [maybe ground fish carcasses?] with the sand on the roads. It. Is. Nasty. After the snow and ice melts. The cars are actually oily and sticky until they get washed or it rains.
 
2013-02-01 07:01:53 AM

MysteryMachine: I'm a Buffalo, NY native, transplanted to DC.  People here go insane about absolutely trivial accumulations on a regular basis.  Part of the problem is the complete lack of infrastructure (plows, salt piles, etc).  Whenever a "snowpocalypse" or "snowmaggedon" or whatever hits they end up importing equipment and manpower from Baltimore.  Still, that doesn't mean you have to drive like a moron, DC drivers need to get their shiat together.


Part of the problem is also the sheer amount of traffic here. There's so much traffic that things are really slow on a good day, so it doesn't take much to mess it up.

And DC drivers need to get their stuff together, like you said. Being a moron doesn't make it better. :(
 
2013-02-01 07:02:35 AM
I grew up in Western Mass. School wasn't canceled for less than a foot of snow unless there was a lot of ice.
I now live about two hours south west of DC and the school my daughter attends cancels or delays for everything. They have closed twice this year because "the forecast looks bad". And nothing happened. One of those days was the day before Sandy hit. We got a quarter inch of rain...
They had a two hour delay yesterday due to high wind. Another two hour delay today because it's almost accumulating.
/gtf my lawn. I'm cranky.
 
2013-02-01 07:02:37 AM
Well, it's -12 here in Minneapolis this morning.
 
2013-02-01 07:02:52 AM
/In Nova, traffic gets snarled because of low-angle  sunshine.
//No joke.
 
2013-02-01 07:03:22 AM
Some schools in N. MN are closed because of the cold, some places are -25 and worse.
 
2013-02-01 07:03:39 AM
It's just like driving on regular road but with more sliding and crashing.....
 
2013-02-01 07:09:31 AM

Target Builder: As someone about to start my morning commute in Nova I'm getting a kick.


I'm so sorry you have to drive in NOVA at this time in the morning. I make mine at 430AM... and it still sucks.
 
2013-02-01 07:09:41 AM
this snow mess added 15 minutes to my 25 minute commute to Annapolis.  i hate people. ;)
 
2013-02-01 07:11:38 AM
It was snowing here in Lexington Ky earlier. The snow and gale force winds made it impossible to drive in.
 
2013-02-01 07:11:58 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: /In Nova, traffic gets snarled because of low-angle  sunshine.
//No joke.


I was driving behind this idiot yesterday who was driving IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD because apparently that's where the lines looked like they were in the 2PM setting sunshine.  Every day is an exercise is patience and control of road rage.
 
2013-02-01 07:13:32 AM
As someone who recently moved into DC from north of Baltimore, I feel expertly prepared to comment on things here:
1) Everyone who is not you sucks at driving.
2) The driving mantra in this area seems to be 'do whatever you can you eff as many other people as possible.'
3) It's not so much that no one around here knows to drive in the snow, it's that a few people don't know and then they flip out and it literally ripples throughout the area. One person being stupid on Mass Ave effects Nevada, which effects Wisconsin, which slows down the exit ramp on the beltway, which messes up the beltway, which slows down 95, etc.
4) I'm going to work now.
 
2013-02-01 07:14:03 AM
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2013-02-01 07:14:28 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: MysteryMachine: I'm a Buffalo, NY native, transplanted to DC.  People here go insane about absolutely trivial accumulations on a regular basis.  Part of the problem is the complete lack of infrastructure (plows, salt piles, etc).  Whenever a "snowpocalypse" or "snowmaggedon" or whatever hits they end up importing equipment and manpower from Baltimore.  Still, that doesn't mean you have to drive like a moron, DC drivers need to get their shiat together.

I live in Georgia, and have no idea how to drive in snow. But we only get to practice one or two days every three years or so.


People who live in DC don't know how to drive on dry pavement, let alone on ice and snow.
 
2013-02-01 07:18:21 AM

MysteryMachine: I'm a Buffalo, NY native, transplanted to DC.  People here go insane about absolutely trivial accumulations on a regular basis.  Part of the problem is the complete lack of infrastructure (plows, salt piles, etc).  Whenever a "snowpocalypse" or "snowmaggedon" or whatever hits they end up importing equipment and manpower from Baltimore.  Still, that doesn't mean you have to drive like a moron, DC drivers need to get their shiat together.


Did you happen to make it to Baltimore during the winter of 2010?  Cuz 80-some inches in under two weeks was certainly more than "trivial".  It's just that that kind of thing only happens once every 8 or ten years down there, so the trauma continues to affect people for several winters afterward.
 
2013-02-01 07:21:43 AM
Look all you snarkasauruses, the roads aren't even 100% clear and they didn't even delay schools.

We're getting tougher.

forget about the schools being closed on Monday because it was wet outside.
 
2013-02-01 07:23:59 AM
I read that as "storm of orangutang proportions" and it made more sense. I need to go back to bed.
 
2013-02-01 07:25:55 AM
I am certainly not trying to defend DC drivers here, but a little perspective is needed:

DC/NoVa/MD Counties that hug DC has one of the highest concentrations of transplants/non-native born residents in the country.  So people bring their locale's bad driving habits and driving styles to them.  Now compound literally thousands of regional/local driving styles into the DC metro area and add a few million people onto the road, and there you go, the craziness that is driving around here.

/From SoCal so I am used to defensive driving
//The beltway is terrifying to me
///If I were pressed to describe the driving style for the DC area, I would say it is selfish - very "me first, me first, I got to the light first/merged first, I win!!!!"
 
2013-02-01 07:27:10 AM
Snow? Meh, you should see Southern California drivers trying to drive in the rain.

I grew up in Upstate NY and have no problem driving in rain/snow/sleet/etc. We had to get more than 6" of snow or they wouldn't cancel school, just put chains on the bus tires. In San Diego drivers would go off the road during a rain shower. Scary stuff.

/of course you could go literally months without rain there at times
 
2013-02-01 07:29:49 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: MysteryMachine: I'm a Buffalo, NY native, transplanted to DC.  People here go insane about absolutely trivial accumulations on a regular basis.  Part of the problem is the complete lack of infrastructure (plows, salt piles, etc).  Whenever a "snowpocalypse" or "snowmaggedon" or whatever hits they end up importing equipment and manpower from Baltimore.  Still, that doesn't mean you have to drive like a moron, DC drivers need to get their shiat together.

I live in Georgia, and have no idea how to drive in snow. But we only get to practice one or two days every three years or so.


Slow, careful, add another 1-2 car lengths between you and the next guy (depending on speed), don't make sharp turns, if you start to fishtail don't try to slam on the brakes or yank the wheel, just take your foot off the accelerator and keep the wheel steady.  Start your stops way earlier than usual, to give yourself additional time and to give sufficient warning to the people behind you.  It's very easy to sail past the turn you wanted to make because you didn't start the braking process in time, don't underestimate it.
 
2013-02-01 07:31:25 AM
I just moved to MD from Western NY, that was one of the heaviest storms I've driven through. People here just aren't equipped to handle snowfall like that. Stop being stupid subby.
 
2013-02-01 07:34:03 AM
As someone who grew up in a DC suburb and moved back after college I can tell you that natives can drive just fine. It's everyone else who brought their bad habits with them that sucks. Remember, this region is filled with transplants.
 
2013-02-01 07:34:58 AM
Living in WNY, I'm getting a kick out of this. BTW, it's snowing 1"/hr. right now.
 
2013-02-01 07:41:03 AM

Target Builder: As someone about to start my morning commute in Nova I'm getting a kick.


Heading out in about an hour, curious to see how things are then
 
2013-02-01 07:43:09 AM

KatjaMouse: As someone who grew up in a DC suburb and moved back after college I can tell you that natives can drive just fine. It's everyone else who brought their bad habits with them that sucks. Remember, this region is filled with transplants.


As someone who lived there for years can tell you, no.  No they cannot.  The natives are just as damned stupid as the rest of them when snowflakes hit the ground.
 
2013-02-01 07:46:07 AM
When I was a kid I lived in far northern Canada. One time it snowed 1 ft/s for five days straight! We didn't even blink an eye! We put on our snow shoes, walked to the snowmobile and went about our business.

I really don't get why people who live in places where it doesn't snow that often don't know exactly how to deal with it. It's a real mystery to me.

/Because I'm an idiot.
 
2013-02-01 07:49:14 AM
It's not the snow causing the issues, it's the people.
 
2013-02-01 07:49:23 AM
The entire transportation system is on the verge of collapse on a good day. Add any problem and you are screwed.
 
2013-02-01 07:50:01 AM
Wait.... farkers have jobs?!
 
2013-02-01 07:50:55 AM
I understand that driving in snow can be an acquired skill.

But what part of 'slow down in a lower friction environment' do people not understand?

/This goes for rain too.
 
2013-02-01 07:53:06 AM
Also... farkers choose to move back to Virginia?!!!?
 
2013-02-01 07:54:34 AM

Enemabag Jones: I understand that driving in snow can be an acquired skill.

But what part of 'slow down in a lower friction environment' do people not understand?

/This goes for rain too.


The problem in my opinion is that people slow down way too much and hesitate a lot more when making decisions.
 
2013-02-01 07:59:51 AM
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Enemabag Jones: I understand that driving in snow can be an acquired skill.
But what part of 'slow down in a lower friction environment' do people not understand?
/This goes for rain too.
The problem in my opinion is that people slow down way too much and hesitate a lot more when making decisions.


I see plenty of people driving much too slow too, and just hold up traffic because they don't see to want to go anywhere when driving.

/Called texting when driving or old person driving, often conditioned by irrational law enforcement.
 
2013-02-01 08:03:06 AM

MysteryMachine: I'm a Buffalo, NY native, transplanted to DC.  People here go insane about absolutely trivial accumulations on a regular basis.  Part of the problem is the complete lack of infrastructure (plows, salt piles, etc).  Whenever a "snowpocalypse" or "snowmaggedon" or whatever hits they end up importing equipment and manpower from Baltimore.  Still, that doesn't mean you have to drive like a moron, DC drivers need to get their shiat together.


About 90% of the drivers here are from other parts of the world. Many have no clue how to drive in snow, so even the littlest accumulation does have that effect. And it's not so much the lack of road clearing equipment, but rather there is so much traffic on the roads that it renders the equipment ineffective. That's what happened when the last snowfall hit.
 
2013-02-01 08:04:07 AM
OMG!! everyone run and buy all the bread, milk and eggs you can
 
2013-02-01 08:05:48 AM

Enemabag Jones: I understand that driving in snow can be an acquired skill.

But what part of 'slow down in a lower friction environment' do people not understand?

/This goes for rain too.


Lots of disposable income in the DC area means people by big fancy cars "With Traction Control™" (BMW, Audi, Mercedes) or giant SUVs/Pick-Ups with 4x4 and for some reason think that because their car was marketed to them has having auto sensing stability control and 4 wheel drive that means they can drive as they normally do if not harder and the car will take care of itself.

tl;dr - People are idiots
 
2013-02-01 08:06:50 AM

MysteryMachine: Zarquon's Flat Tire: MysteryMachine: I'm a Buffalo, NY native, transplanted to DC.  People here go insane about absolutely trivial accumulations on a regular basis.  Part of the problem is the complete lack of infrastructure (plows, salt piles, etc).  Whenever a "snowpocalypse" or "snowmaggedon" or whatever hits they end up importing equipment and manpower from Baltimore.  Still, that doesn't mean you have to drive like a moron, DC drivers need to get their shiat together.

I live in Georgia, and have no idea how to drive in snow. But we only get to practice one or two days every three years or so.

Slow, careful, add another 1-2 car lengths between you and the next guy (depending on speed), don't make sharp turns, if you start to fishtail don't try to slam on the brakes or yank the wheel, just take your foot off the accelerator and keep the wheel steady.  Start your stops way earlier than usual, to give yourself additional time and to give sufficient warning to the people behind you.  It's very easy to sail past the turn you wanted to make because you didn't start the braking process in time, don't underestimate it.


Well said I got to practice all that way more than I wanted to when I was living in Nashville. In one winter I ended up driving on snow and ice more than I ever had in my life. I remembered all that was still nervous as hell though.
 
2013-02-01 08:07:16 AM
Is being a Nestor obscure?
/I like grapes, in a bunch
 
2013-02-01 08:07:30 AM

JollyMagistrate: Speaking as a Floridian, one inch of snow can be seriously damaging if you are not equipped for it as a municipality and very dangerous if the majority of your citizens have no idea how to handle it.

Sandy was a nothing hurricane for Florida, but put it up in New York and it is a serious disaster. Local context is very important.


I was going to ask if you're retarded, but I see you're volunteering the fact you're from Florida.
 
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