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(The Business Journals)   Lobbying consultant says that big businesses don't spend enough money lobbying the government   (bizjournals.com ) divider line 25
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2013-02-01 06:48:23 AM  
To be fair, I think she's saying something closer to: "these farkers are so easy to buy off - especially for businesses that yell about jobs - that you're stupid NOT to lobby them."

And that is probably true...
 
2013-02-01 06:48:51 AM  
So, he wants a deeper vault of gold to swim in?

(didn't click)
 
2013-02-01 06:51:24 AM  
TL:dr.

That kind of money is chicken feed for the mega-corporations so yeah, probably in their eyes it is too little.
 
2013-02-01 06:56:06 AM  
Given that successful lobbying can have a ROI of 50,000% or more while also closing off your market to newcomers, and given how cheaply many of our congresscritters can be bought, it would be in a lot of companies interests to lobby more. I mean, it would suck for the rest of us but be great for the folks paying out the bribes.
 
2013-02-01 06:58:37 AM  

Target Builder: Given that successful lobbying can have a ROI of 50,000% or more while also closing off your market to newcomers, and given how cheaply many of our congresscritters can be bought, it would be in a lot of companies interests to lobby more. I mean, it would suck for the rest of us but be great for the folks paying out the bribes.


All the while they can talk hypocritically about how great the 'free market' is, as they bribe the competition out of existence.
 
2013-02-01 07:00:48 AM  
Can we please start calling them "bribes" and at least be honest with ourselves?
 
2013-02-01 07:05:54 AM  
Lobbying consultant says that big businesses don't spend enough money lobbying bribing the government

FTFY, subby.
 
2013-02-01 07:11:29 AM  
For example: The Military Industrial Complex
                      Wall Street
                      The Insurance Companies

No. They haven't had any lobbying power or influence on policy over the past half century.
 
2013-02-01 07:22:12 AM  
Also, they're not donating enough money to Presidential campaigns.
 
2013-02-01 08:05:39 AM  
These people disgust me...

Best government money can buy.
 
2013-02-01 08:14:13 AM  
I'm sure they spend plenty, its just that some of them spend far more than others.

/I wish we could stop it, but any legislation to do so will obviously be tainted by lobbyist and political influence.
/It becomes more about who can hide their method of corruption best, and who can block their opponents money source.
/Looking for the newsletter that suggests how to cut all the heads of this hydra at once, so we don't end up stuck with the hungriest one last.
 
2013-02-01 08:29:50 AM  

way south: I'm sure they spend plenty, its just that some of them spend far more than others.

/I wish we could stop it, but any legislation to do so will obviously be tainted by lobbyist and political influence.
/It becomes more about who can hide their method of corruption best, and who can block their opponents money source.
/Looking for the newsletter that suggests how to cut all the heads of this hydra at once, so we don't end up stuck with the hungriest one last.


Here's my plan.

TL;DR: make the voters the funders through Patriot Dollars, a massive, decentralized funding stream.

The longer version: Every American contributes at least $50 to federal revenues, whether it be through income taxes, FICA taxes, alcohol taxes, phone fees, etc. Take those first $50 and let each American contribute money to a political candidate or a political party (the default option). Tell political candidates and political parties that if they agree to restrict themselves to only using Patriot Dollars, they get 100% anonymity in their political contributions and expenditures. If they wish to collect more than $50 per donor, they can do so, but they do not get to collect Patriot Dollars, and they must conspicuously publish the names of all donors of any value within 24 hours of receiving the donation, and every political expenditure that results in some tangible call for people to vote for a candidate (a pamphlet, a TV ad, a website, etc.) must include the identities of the X largest contributors.
 
2013-02-01 08:54:58 AM  
My local Domino's doesn't think I order pizza often enough either.

I wonder if the two things are related.
 
2013-02-01 09:00:15 AM  
Dear Mr. Consultant:
fark you.
 
2013-02-01 09:12:29 AM  
Elections need to be publicly financed.  Period, end of story.  Our democracy is so f-ed up right now, with asinine politicians making decisions based on who's propping them up.  It's sick and stupid and needs to end.
 
2013-02-01 09:14:09 AM  
Seems legit, who else knows just how easy it is to buy a politician.
 
2013-02-01 09:16:05 AM  
What Republican is going to go after lobbyists for price fixing?

Once lobbyists realize they can get the same results for half the price, especially if they organize, only the lobbyists missing the expensive restaurants and junkets will complain.    As aging whores what's congress to do?
 
2013-02-01 09:36:12 AM  

Citrate1007: Seems legit, who else knows just how easy it is to buy a politician.


Oh yeah, we've already got one. It's very nice. We all take turns and form policy with it.
 
2013-02-01 10:23:06 AM  
Can we PLEASE make Term Limits an issue and Lobbying illegal?
 
2013-02-01 10:35:11 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Can we PLEASE make Term Limits an issue and Lobbying illegal?


No

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 
2013-02-01 10:46:14 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: HAMMERTOE: Can we PLEASE make Term Limits an issue and Lobbying illegal?

No

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Maybe just make it illegal to staple a five or six figure check to a petition.
 
2013-02-01 12:25:05 PM  

Deneb81: To be fair, I think she's saying something closer to: "these farkers are so easy to buy off - especially for businesses that yell about jobs - that you're stupid NOT to lobby them."

And that is probably true...



This.  And don't be mad at the lobbyist.  The American people are to blame for not demanding that their government get money out of politics.  Instead, we just sit back and watch as the flood gates opened, and continue to flow.
 
2013-02-01 12:28:33 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: HAMMERTOE: Can we PLEASE make Term Limits an issue and Lobbying illegal?

No

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



I generally don't oppose lobbying.  What I do oppose is the incestuous amount of money in politics.  Whether it's campaign contributions/political spending, or congressmen who push a bill through congress promoting an industry, then get a cushy "consulting" job in that industry thereafter, there are countless ways that our current system facilitates corruption.

It was bad enough 5 years ago... so I was flabbergasted when the Supreme Court bent over backward in Citizens United to find a constitutional "right" to spend unlimited money on political campaigns.
 
2013-02-01 02:28:40 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: HAMMERTOE: Can we PLEASE make Term Limits an issue and Lobbying illegal?

No

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


I get where you're coming from and why, and you are correct.   Its not illegal for businessmen to lobby politiciansand proving corruption is difficult under normal circumstance.  More laws just don't work for some issues.

Similarly, nothing prevents us from making the act of selling out more despised than kiddy diddling.
The public itself could enforce term limits or ethics by simply not choosing these candidates once they've crossed that line.

Maybe we don't need law so much as a new political philosophy.   Influence enough voters in enough areas and these rules become better than law. They become part of Americanculture.

/We see something similar in effect with gun control,  racism, and sexual misconduct.
/Touching certain issues makes politicians unelectable faster than threatening them with legal action.
/The question is how you popularize a new code of ethics among the masses, who are themselves easily influenced by handouts and lofty promises.
 
2013-02-01 04:39:07 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: HAMMERTOE: Can we PLEASE make Term Limits an issue and Lobbying illegal?

No

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Next time I get pulled over I'm going to "lobby" the police officer in the same way that corporations lobby congress.  I'm sure no charges of bribery will be brought because its free speech right?
 
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