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(Sydney Morning Herald)   New study shows that vegetarians are 32% less likely to suffer from heart disease, 96% more likely to be insufferable   (smh.com.au) divider line 20
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2013-02-01 04:36:29 AM
3 votes:
As a vegetarian every time I go out to eat in a group I have to justify myself to overly defensive meat-eaters. In my experience the amount of militant meat eaters massively dwarfs the amount of militant vegetarians (and they are generally short term ones who quit after 3 months).

Also what is it with dog threads? The minute someone is mean to a dog everyone is clamouring for their heads, then spend a few hundred posts bashing the sort of people who are against animal abuse?
 

And everyone hates Peta.
2013-02-01 01:34:28 AM
3 votes:
172% more likely to fart all the time and look vaguely sick and malnourished
2013-02-01 04:10:22 AM
2 votes:

miniflea: . Vegetarians and vegans don't bother me as long as they aren't pushy and condescending, which most of them aren't. I also dislike the sort who act all gung ho about their meat eating and come into these threads and are just as pushy as those they complain about.


Like every other fark vegetarian thread, this will consist of 100 or more people insulting and belittling vegetarians, all while paradoxically claiming vegetarians act uppity.  There will, like every other thread, be a few polite vegetarians who will never, even once, insult the omnivores.  It's weird.
2013-02-01 04:00:51 AM
2 votes:
Some vegetarians I know always seem to be sick more often than other people. Same can be said for people that seemingly make it a point to exercise and eat right all the time.
Never did understand that.

People can be vegetarians all they want but I don't want to have a conversation with you about it as you spout off your righteous diatribe. I put that on the same level as people that want to show you their baby pictures. I absolutely do.not.care.

/Yes, I am fun at parties. Why do you ask?
2013-02-01 03:28:22 AM
2 votes:
Vegetarians are 32 per cent less likely to be hospitalised or die from heart disease than people who eat meat and fish, scientists at England's Oxford University say.

My problem with this is that they are putting big macs and fresh flounder in the same category.
2013-02-01 02:50:54 AM
2 votes:
Newsflash: 78% of vegetarians aren't vegetarians.

/ yup, grew that salmon in my garden
2013-02-01 02:07:00 AM
2 votes:
News Flash: Vegetarians who claim that being a vegetarian makes you healthy lead lives with healthy habits.
2013-02-01 08:39:26 PM
1 votes:

meep3d: The reality is that the majority of animals destined for food, especially poultry, are treated incredibly badly, kept in cramped conditions and often suffer traumatic and horrible deaths, largely due to consumers pressing for 'cheaper'.


This is an amazing thing to me. One cow can provide thousands of delicious meals, warm and durable clothing, and various components for medical purposes. These animals should be treated magnificently for the sacrifice they make and the benefit they provide.

Instead, there's this.
2013-02-01 07:37:34 PM
1 votes:

ansius: Interesting analysis of the effects of a vegetarian diet and of modern farming practices used to grow vegetables for your table:

It takes somewhere between two to ten kilos of plants, depending on the type of plants involved, to produce one kilo of animal. Given the limited amount of productive land in the world, it would seem to some to make more sense to focus our culinary attentions on plants, because we would arguably get more energy per hectare for human consumption. Theoretically this should also mean fewer sentient animals would be killed to feed the ravenous appetites of ever more humans.

But before scratching rangelands-produced red meat off the "good to eat" list for ethical or environmental reasons, let's test these presumptions.

Published figures suggest that, in Australia, producing wheat and other grains results in:

at least 25 times more sentient animals being killed per kilogram of useable protein
more environmental damage, and
a great deal more animal cruelty than does farming red meat.


I've seen this industry drek spouted by many paid shills. The problem is that the "sentient animal" category seems to include everything from a grasshopper to a chimpanzee. Also, when you eat a "kilogram of protein" through vegetarian sources, you're getting a lot more than protein.  Compare calories to calories and then come back to the discussion.

If you need a quick lesson on how much of a lunatic you have to be to believe this, visit the factory farms in the South some time, and see exactly what is happening to the land and water as a result of them.
2013-02-01 02:26:59 PM
1 votes:

ZeroPly: Snakeophelia: I went vegetarian four months ago for health/GI reasons.  I try my best not to be insufferable and don't mention my diet unless someone asks.  My diet is really 90% vegan, but I can't force myself to use that word.  Too many negative connotations.  I say my diet is "raw plant based" and stick with that.  I live in a big city with a lot of varied cuisines, so it's probably easier for me to be on this diet than for others.

Yeah, as soon as people hear "vegan", it's some sort of dog whistle for them to jump in and save you from starving to death. Which is sometimes funny. One of the programmers I worked with was vegan and was a sub-3 marathon runner, I remember at a Xmas party one of the other guys lecturing him that it was impossible to have any energy on a vegan diet because amino-acid-canine-teeth-protein-evolution-wharrgarrbl...


I'm sure his response was like "Energy, oh yeah you're right, I do get tired after running 26.2 miles."
The protein argument usually stops once I enter the conversation.

/5ft 10in, sub 12% bf, 230 pounds
//please tell me I can't put on muscle without eating meat
2013-02-01 11:10:36 AM
1 votes:

Lith: quietwalker:
If you're going to be a vegetarian, do it for justifiable reasons, like morality or conservation.


Incredibly well put.  But there is no justifiable reason for what is simply a lifestyle choice. One's morality is not another's and some of the best conservationist are avid hunter and meat eaters, they want their game to be around and health for generations to come to pass on a sport and a traditional link to our food.


I was referring to conservation in that raising animals for meat is a somewhat inefficient use of the land.  We could produce more food with less time and effort, and less usage of natural resources (water, nutrients, etc) if we avoided livestock.  On a literal level, we're being wasteful.
2013-02-01 09:31:18 AM
1 votes:

To Wish Impossible Things: It's not so much eating no meat, as it is eating far less meat, IMO.

Humans evolved as lousy hunters, and the meat we did get achieve was pretty lean.  We tended to eat a lot of plants to make up for our hunting skills.  Vegetarians come closer to this diet (less fat with their protein, far more vegetables) than the standard American diet.  Thus their bodies are better adapted to their diet.


Your post is nonsense. Humans are actually extremely good hunters. Traditionally, we ate far more meat than we did vegetables, as growing vegetables require staying in one place for long periods of time. Lean meat comes from fast-moving animals; if we were poor hunters, we would have only caught the slow, fat animals.

Promote eating less meat all you like, but don't lie.
2013-02-01 05:21:57 AM
1 votes:
"vegetarian", isn't that Proto-Afroasiatic for "bad hunter"?
2013-02-01 05:18:50 AM
1 votes:

log_jammin: meep3d: I don't really see the difference between a pet dog and a pet goat

I do.

we domesticated dogs something like 30,000 years ago. and not because we thought they were tasty, but because both species found the relationship to be mutually beneficial. Mankind in a sense back a part of the dogs pack just as much as they became a part of ours. and right up until today that relations ship continues.

goats were domesticated for food leather and whatever parts of the animal we could use.


meep3d: From a moral standpoint if you think it's 'wrong' to eat dog, you shouldn't eat any other animals.

from that standpoint you shouldn't eat any animals unless your willing to eat humans as well. unless you're saying humans are a "special" animal.


Animals are 'lesser creatures' not capable of what we think of as higher thought, which humans are not. And I see your 'dog pack' argument, but in reality that has not been the case for generations for the majority of people (the beneficial part).  People keep dogs and cats because they are cute and fun (to them). Other people keep other animals of all stripes for the same reason.  Thus you can make a personal judgement about eating/cruelty to dogs, but saying someone else being cruel to dogs is immoral isn't rational as the special protection afforded to dogs is relevant only to you.
2013-02-01 04:44:48 AM
1 votes:
It is the vegan variety of vegetarian which is the most insufferable.  Those who eat dairy and eggs are not so bad.
2013-02-01 03:22:00 AM
1 votes:
Have they done any studies regarding the long-term effects of only eating vegetarians?
2013-02-01 03:14:06 AM
1 votes:
I like to think I am a live and let live sort of guy. Vegetarians and vegans don't bother me as long as they aren't pushy and condescending, which most of them aren't. I also dislike the sort who act all gung ho about their meat eating and come into these threads and are just as pushy as those they complain about.

I like meat and unless the elixir of immortality involves giving it up I won't. One of the most enjoyable things in life for me is sitting around meat cooking over an open flame with good company and good beer.
2013-02-01 03:04:26 AM
1 votes:
When you show me a 150 year old vegan, I'll give up the cute little animals for dinner. Deal?
2013-02-01 02:52:51 AM
1 votes:
Work with quite a few Indian engineers who are vegetarian, and not a one of them is the least bit uppity about it. Had a conversation or two about it, started by me, talking about cultural differences and such and asking about how they manage to do it. Ive made red bean and lentil curry with naan a time or two for pitch ins for them. They appreciated it.
2013-02-01 12:28:16 AM
1 votes:
More like 128%, least for Americans. The Indians I know (quite a lot) manage to pull it off without the insufferability vibe.
 
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