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(The Atlantic)   "What the gun industry, the oil business, and the NFL have in common is that they'll never reform without outside regulation"   (theatlantic.com) divider line 17
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2013-01-31 09:12:02 PM  
5 votes:
A killer, a spiller, and a thriller
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2013-01-31 11:07:25 PM  
3 votes:
2013-02-01 08:17:51 AM  
2 votes:

unlikely: Livingroom: i generally carry 46 rounds of 9mm on my person at all times, some times more and some times less

Wow, you must live with a lot of fear.



lol- I have close to a hundred coat hangers in my closet. I must be terrified of a fetus uprising!
2013-02-01 12:24:57 PM  
1 votes:

ronaprhys:

I'm appalled that someone in a modern country would feel that it's appropriate to entrust their personal safety to others rather than themselves.

Safety from what? The omnipresent threat of gun violence that necessitates self-protection is a local phenomenon; we don't live in that kind of fear here. We've had exactly one drive-by murder. Ask anyone in this town over thirty about "the drive-by" and I will give you a beer if that person can't come up with the name of Nicholas Battersby as the victim. Gun violence is extermely rare here and the few shootings that do happen are gang-on-gang. Their target discrimination is pretty good (even if their aim is not, as anyone from Toronto could expand upon) and that makes the shooters ridiculously easy to catch and throw in jail. Our police are pretty effective in that regard.

ronaprhys: 1 - see the bolded part. You have sucky maintenance of your vehicles or sucky roads.


I had a neighbour who was a farkwit and didn't count the nails he was using at the end of his driveway. I can't speak for all of those other muppets though, but statistically, in this place, someone is more likely to get a flat than they are to get a hole in the head.

Spare tires, tool sets, fire extinguishers, seat belts, home alarms, and all sorts of items that are designed to prevent or less the impact of a bad situation exist. Firearms (and personal carry) are no different. One does this because it's possible that something could go wrong. It might be a once in a lifetime event - or it might not happen at all. That doesn't mean appropriate preparations shouldn't be available if a person elects to take them.

Possible and probable are two different things. It is possible just about anywhere. It is not probable here so it is not what we do. That doesn't make it objectively wrong to continue to do it in places where getting shot at is probable.

Either way that's not a bell you can un-ring now. Some guys in your government a long time ago thought it would be a good idea to arm the public. The public is made of people, lots of people are stupid, greedy, careless or insane and they're using these weapons to kill each other. The only two solutions are to remove all civilian weapons from the entire country and beat them into ploughshares like a good Christian nation, or to make sure literally every single person in the country has a loaded AR-15 and at least one backup pistol just in case a Mexican kid pulls a three-pointer in the driveway. That first one just simply isn't going to happen, so you'd may as well just step back and let the public have whatever firearms they think they need to protect themselves from each other. Seriously that part isn't hyperbole, banning a kind of rifle or mag or a round that explodes into boiling hot radioactive acid and bees will just leave the public less able to defend themselves and that's not fair.

The rest of us can look on with horrified pity for the ordinary people who honestly (truthfully or otherwise) believe they require a gun to survive the day and say that it shouldn't be that way. That's what I'm doing.
2013-02-01 12:17:29 PM  
1 votes:

LargeCanine: I live in an area of the country in which there are 3 firearms for every 2 people. Open carry of guns is legal and concealed carry permits are Shall Issue. I carry a gun every day much like I do my cell phone or wallet.

Crime is very low. Muggings are unhead of, house break ins are vanishingly rare. Children play unsupervised. People are friendly and strangers talk to eachother in the park or supermarket.

Polite. Law abiding. Armed.


You live in South Dakota. There are like three people in the entire state. Of course you're polite.
2013-02-01 09:41:48 AM  
1 votes:

CthulhuCalling: Flakeloaf: CthulhuCalling: unlikely: Livingroom: i generally carry 46 rounds of 9mm on my person at all times, some times more and some times less

Wow, you must live with a lot of fear.

That's about 3 mags for a 9mm, depending on size. Not exactly going off to war.

If needing to reload twice is a reasonably foreseeable situation, maybe it's time to move.

I carry 3 mags, but I use a 1911 which is sort of short on ammo to start. The main reason I carry 3 mags is because I have a double mag holder. While not everyone is as gifted a marksman as I, nothing says a person can carry only X rounds. It's prudent to carry as much as you can or what you feel comfortable carrying. Even I miss, and there's always the possibility of encountering more than one hostile. I'd rather carry extra ammo and not need it than need it and not have it. Besides I don't dictate the particulars such as the location of a hostile encounter, the bad guys do.


Don't you have somewhere to be in 26 minutes?
2013-02-01 08:42:11 AM  
1 votes:

Flakeloaf: CthulhuCalling: unlikely: Livingroom: i generally carry 46 rounds of 9mm on my person at all times, some times more and some times less

Wow, you must live with a lot of fear.

That's about 3 mags for a 9mm, depending on size. Not exactly going off to war.

If needing to reload twice is a reasonably foreseeable situation, maybe it's time to move.


I carry 3 mags, but I use a 1911 which is sort of short on ammo to start. The main reason I carry 3 mags is because I have a double mag holder. While not everyone is as gifted a marksman as I, nothing says a person can carry only X rounds. It's prudent to carry as much as you can or what you feel comfortable carrying. Even I miss, and there's always the possibility of encountering more than one hostile. I'd rather carry extra ammo and not need it than need it and not have it. Besides I don't dictate the particulars such as the location of a hostile encounter, the bad guys do.
2013-02-01 08:21:17 AM  
1 votes:

wedun: Livingroom: I'm trying to figure out why the "gun industry" "needs reform" it's simple, we have a right to guns, it doesn't matter the kind, the caliber, or the magazine capacity. And don't give me the usual horseshiat about "we can't have nuclear weapons" those aren't guns, farkstain. I can go right now and with enough money buy a 20mm cannon, or a 30 cal minigun, just like Obama has following his motorcade. It's perfectly legal, the only real restriction is cost.

Do you honestly believe that criminals and the mentally ill have a constutional right to purchase firearms? or are you just spouting bellicose bombast?

My next door neighbor owns a tub filled with those god damn bananna clip mags and enough pistols and rifles to arm the whole damn block. and ever HE thinks that there should be federally enforced background checks for gun purchases.


I assume you are refering to the "gun show loophole". People have to right to sell their private property without government interference. There are many dangerous objects in this world. Whether it's a gun, knife, or car - requiring private citizens to run background checks on other citizens to sell them a piece of metal is not acceptable.
2013-02-01 08:12:16 AM  
1 votes:

Livingroom: I'm trying to figure out why the "gun industry" "needs reform" it's simple, we have a right to guns, it doesn't matter the kind, the caliber, or the magazine capacity. And don't give me the usual horseshiat about "we can't have nuclear weapons" those aren't guns, farkstain. I can go right now and with enough money buy a 20mm cannon, or a 30 cal minigun, just like Obama has following his motorcade. It's perfectly legal, the only real restriction is cost.


Do you honestly believe that criminals and the mentally ill have a constutional right to purchase firearms? or are you just spouting bellicose bombast?

My next door neighbor owns a tub filled with those god damn bananna clip mags and enough pistols and rifles to arm the whole damn block. and ever HE thinks that there should be federally enforced background checks for gun purchases.
2013-02-01 08:10:21 AM  
1 votes:
Livingroom: wall of derp


You sound derpy with a mix of paranoia, and possibly a side of smallcox
2013-01-31 10:54:51 PM  
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread will suck for anyone wiling to sacrifice the rights of the lawful for the idea that they can legislate criminals into being lawful.

It already sucks for anyone willing to read that sentence.

Your vote is counted.

Congratulations, you're a dumbass.


Sucks when you forget what alt you're logged in as
2013-01-31 10:25:39 PM  
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread will suck for anyone wiling to sacrifice the rights of the lawful for the idea that they can legislate criminals into being lawful.

It already sucks for anyone willing to read that sentence.

Your vote is counted.

Congratulations, you're a dumbass.


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2013-01-31 09:52:26 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread will suck for anyone wiling to sacrifice the rights of the lawful for the idea that they can legislate criminals into being lawful.

It already sucks for anyone willing to read that sentence.


Your vote is counted.
2013-01-31 09:44:15 PM  
1 votes:

Lt. Cheese Weasel: This thread will suck for anyone wiling to sacrifice the rights of the lawful for the idea that they can legislate criminals into being lawful.


It already sucks for anyone willing to read that sentence.
2013-01-31 09:43:00 PM  
1 votes:

manwithplanx: maxalt:  I don't like soccer I think it's a sissy sport,
And Football is for morons who just want to see bodies collide in an unorganized mess.

/likes both
//Football has as much tactical/strategic depth as Soccer has ferocity


And wrestling is for people who want to indulge in their childhood homoerotic fantasies of muscular, sweaty, oily men rubbing eachother.
2013-01-31 09:17:24 PM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: maxalt: I worked in the oil industry, pollution monitoring and control since 1984. Believe me the oil industry is regulated beyond belief. Oil spills like the one in the Gulf last year will be in court for years and cost BP close to ½ trillion Euros. Of course they will just pass the cost on to us, and trial lawyers will become ultra rich. If one considers how much oil is used and how much is spilled the number is minuscule. EPA a*sholes are there from the crude stage to the final usage and everything is monitored. As for guns over 250,000,000 are in the hands of private citizens and ≈ 15000 are used for harm, (more than half from the drug war) about 0.00006% of all privately owned guns are used in crime. So I suspect that the author of the article is full of something odoriferous and has an ax to grind.


Wow you are Mr Creative.
2013-01-31 09:05:49 PM  
1 votes:

maxalt: I worked in the oil industry, pollution monitoring and control since 1984. Believe me the oil industry is regulated beyond belief. Oil spills like the one in the Gulf last year will be in court for years and cost BP close to ½ trillion Euros. Of course they will just pass the cost on to us, and trial lawyers will become ultra rich. If one considers how much oil is used and how much is spilled the number is minuscule. EPA a*sholes are there from the crude stage to the final usage and everything is monitored. As for guns over 250,000,000 are in the hands of private citizens and ≈ 15000 are used for harm, (more than half from the drug war) about 0.00006% of all privately owned guns are used in crime. So I suspect that the author of the article is full of something odoriferous and has an ax to grind.

 
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