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2013-01-31 06:45:22 PM  
6 votes:
Counting or not counting that Superman is a lame superhero in the first place?
2013-01-31 08:56:08 PM  
5 votes:

wee: The only Superman worth watching/reading/etc is the one in Miller's The Dark Knight Returns.


I would argue that MIller is partially responsible for the ruination of comics today. Dark Knight Returns was exceptional and a good piece of comics literature, but the problem is that with the success of DKR and Watchmen, 'deconstruction' became far too popular. Suddenly, every character had to deal with vastly amplified problems. Comics from the big two became less and less about action and adventure and more about how much torment a hero can take. When Stan Lee wanted to give superheroes real-world problems, he never intended it to go to the extreme that is has these days. It's no longer enough to have Peter Parker worry about making the rent or Aunt May's health; now, he has to get beaten to a bloody pulp, framed for murder and suffer through a Daily Bugle smear campaign all while Aunt May lies comatose in Manhattan General ICU.

Comics have gone from the 'Saturday Morning Matinee' type of stories to the 'Saw Torture Porn' type of stories.
2013-01-31 09:13:53 PM  
3 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: NeedlesslyCanadian: Counting or not counting that Superman is a lame superhero in the first place?

This.  I never saw the appeal of the character.  Every bit of it is flawed.  Ridiculous underwear on the outside costume with unnecessary cape, a secret identity a fetus in a jar could figure out, piled on attributes and backstory, more powers, last survivor of Krypton becomes one of many, different kinds of Kryptonite for different effects, some truly horrible villains, powers that make the JLA obsolete but he still joins..and on and on.


I never liked the fact that the dick can hang out in space, listening to everything on Earth, and instead of tracking down terrorist groups or serial killers or drug gangs massacring huge swathes of certain areas of Mexico, he decides to stop...a bank robbery.
2013-01-31 10:30:33 PM  
2 votes:
As lame as Superman is, this was the best cartoon ever:

upload.wikimedia.org

//Hotlinks are hot.
2013-01-31 09:06:29 PM  
2 votes:

HeartBurnKid: scottydoesntknow: I find 99% of Superman stuff to be horribly boring. BUT the one piece of Superman media that I do love (and will watch anytime) is when he finally gets to unleash all his power and deliver an epic beatdown to Darkseid.

That man won't quit as long as he can still draw a breath. None of my teammates will. Me? I've got a different problem. I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard. Always taking constant care not to break something. To break someone. Never allowing myself to lose control, even for a moment, or someone could die. But you can take it, can't ya, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose, and show you just how powerful I really am!

Youtube

The whole Timm/Dini animated canon is just plain awesome, but JLU might be the most awesome of the awesome.  I'm of the opinion that JLU Season 2, taken as a whole, is one of the greatest superhero stories ever told.


Clash is a GLORIOUS episode, with Captain Marvel and Superman absolutely WRECKING a city, AND Superman is wrong. And Batman knows they've been set up.
2013-01-31 08:41:33 PM  
2 votes:

scottydoesntknow: I find 99% of Superman stuff to be horribly boring. BUT the one piece of Superman media that I do love (and will watch anytime) is when he finally gets to unleash all his power and deliver an epic beatdown to Darkseid.

That man won't quit as long as he can still draw a breath. None of my teammates will. Me? I've got a different problem. I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard. Always taking constant care not to break something. To break someone. Never allowing myself to lose control, even for a moment, or someone could die. But you can take it, can't ya, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose, and show you just how powerful I really am!

Youtube


The whole Timm/Dini animated canon is just plain awesome, but JLU might be the most awesome of the awesome.  I'm of the opinion that JLU Season 2, taken as a whole, is one of the greatest superhero stories ever told.
2013-01-31 08:20:23 PM  
2 votes:
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wee [TotalFark]
2013-01-31 06:59:08 PM  
2 votes:
The only Superman worth watching/reading/etc is the one in Miller's The Dark Knight Returns.
2013-02-01 01:03:21 PM  
1 votes:

Pyynk: For Superman, even more than most superheroes, the suspense should tend to arise from the possibility that Superman will be unable or unwilling to prevent some harm to others, not from Superman's own physical peril.

Bingo. Superman's greatest weakness isn't kryptonite or magic. It's his friends, his family, and his city.


And his rigid moral code. How many times have we seen this?

MegaUberEvilOverlordman: Haha! I have killed dozens of innocent bystanders, and will kill hundreds more!
Superman: The only way to stop him is... to kill him! What should I do???

(The answer, by the way, is to use your superspeed to fly off and fetch somebody with a less stupid moral code, use your superstrength to break them into MegaUberEvilOverlordman's lair, and shield them with your invulnerable body while they care of business. A SWAT officer or a Marine sniper would be good choices.)

Amongst his greatest weaknesses are such diverse elements as kryptonite, magic, his personal affections, his moral code... I'll go out and come back in...

And yet, still, none of that is very interesting in story terms because he doesn't risk or sacrifice himself to save his friends, his family or his city. As I suggested in another post, he's more like a force of nature than a character.
2013-02-01 10:47:41 AM  
1 votes:
those reasons are all true.
however you'll never really get Superman untill you've read Grant Morrisons All Star Superman. One of the best comics ever written IMO.
the reason he's crap is he's generally given crappy writers relying on crappy powers to save the crappy story.
2013-02-01 10:43:08 AM  
1 votes:

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Don't be fatuous, czetie.


Being fatuous is my superpower. Taking me seriously is my kryptonite.

For Superman, even more than most superheroes, the suspense should tend to arise from the possibility that Superman will be unable or unwilling to prevent some harm to others, not from Superman's own physical peril.

Yes, that's kind of my point, thank you. That's precisely what makes it so hard to make a Superman story interesting. The suspense that arises from Superman being unable to prevent some harm is, frankly, a very second rate kind of suspense. It's a Saturday Morning kind of suspense, not a Sunday Night kind of suspense.

What makes Batman infinitely more interesting is that he chooses to put himself in peril to prevent harm to others. (One of the themes of TDKR is Alfred's suggestion that Wayne is obsessively putting himself in harm's way, and that only actually suffering harm will satisfy his need to feel that he has done all he can.) Captain America embodies the ethos of putting himself in harm's way, lampshaded by the fact that his iconic weapon is a shield -- especially in the movie adaptation, beginning with his determination to sign up, his behavior in basic training, his mission to rescue the PoWs, all the way to his final self-sacrifice. Even the Thor movie understands this, making the central moment of the story a de-powered Thor's willingness to sacrifice himself to prevent harm to others. (Contrast Superman II, where a de-powered Superman is willing to... go and get his powers back.)

From a story telling perspective Superman is uninteresting precisely because he has nothing personally at risk (unless you take away his powers or kidnap Lois Lane). He's like the mirror image of a Natural Disaster movie: as a protagonist, he is about as interesting as a meteor or a tidal wave or a volcano is as an antagonist.
2013-02-01 02:47:39 AM  
1 votes:
I always kinda liked the Superman-Wonder Woman thing. At least he's found someone he can bang without worrying about accidentally tearing her in half. And their outfits don't clash.
2013-01-31 11:49:27 PM  
1 votes:
13. Superman 64
2013-01-31 11:13:43 PM  
1 votes:
The Silver Age was just a dark time for comics in general. Nothing but enforced sweetness and fluff, taking every last bit of testicular fortitude out of comics.

That's how we ended up with 75% of the list.
2013-01-31 11:01:32 PM  
1 votes:
when done well, there are some exceptionally good Superman stories. Except those are few and far between the filler.

Red Son, Birthright, Secret Identity, Kingdom Come, All-Star Superman.

and yes, no more origin stories needed, if you don't know it by now, this is all you need to know:

img190.imageshack.us
2013-01-31 10:53:07 PM  
1 votes:
farm5.staticflickr.com
2013-01-31 09:24:27 PM  
1 votes:

Fano: Apos: doglover: Number 1

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You've lost me. Why is this being trotted out?

I think it's Comet, the Wonder Horse that deflowered Kara Zor-El


paul.rutgers.edu

You did what?
2013-01-31 09:23:34 PM  
1 votes:
Re: #12...

This was the outcome, so more power to it I say!

www.anime.com
2013-01-31 09:07:07 PM  
1 votes:
io9 ruined Superman because io9 ruins everything.
2013-01-31 08:45:38 PM  
1 votes:

NeedlesslyCanadian: Counting or not counting that Superman is a lame superhero in the first place?


This.  I never saw the appeal of the character.  Every bit of it is flawed.  Ridiculous underwear on the outside costume with unnecessary cape, a secret identity a fetus in a jar could figure out, piled on attributes and backstory, more powers, last survivor of Krypton becomes one of many, different kinds of Kryptonite for different effects, some truly horrible villains, powers that make the JLA obsolete but he still joins..and on and on.
2013-01-31 08:42:41 PM  
1 votes:
13.  Superman takes up horse back riding.
2013-01-31 08:24:56 PM  
1 votes:
The only Superman analysis/critique worth reading was written over 40 years ago, and it's right here:  http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html
2013-01-31 06:55:13 PM  
1 votes:
I find 99% of Superman stuff to be horribly boring. BUT the one piece of Superman media that I do love (and will watch anytime) is when he finally gets to unleash all his power and deliver an epic beatdown to Darkseid.

That man won't quit as long as he can still draw a breath. None of my teammates will. Me? I've got a different problem. I feel like I live in a world made of cardboard. Always taking constant care not to break something. To break someone. Never allowing myself to lose control, even for a moment, or someone could die. But you can take it, can't ya, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to cut loose, and show you just how powerful I really am!

Youtube
 
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