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2013-01-31 09:11:49 PM
I wish that when he was queried on whether the government of Iran was legitimate he had responded, "I mean legitimate in the same sense that Republicans mean that term when they talk about legitimate rape."
 
2013-01-31 09:13:56 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: jehovahs witness protection: Uranus Is Huge!: jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.

Cry moar.

Looks like you and the other libtards are doing the crying.

In your native language, does the word for 'to mock' look and sound like the word for 'to cry'? Because then, you'd almost make sense.


Try "to blave."
 
2013-01-31 09:14:07 PM
You want to beat up on a fellow Republican who was awarded medals for his service to his country in Vietnam (as enlisted infantry none the less)? Please proceed.

Let's see how these ass-hats claim that Obama is the obstructionist when they can't even confirm someone from their own damn party.
 
2013-01-31 09:15:32 PM
DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.
 
2013-01-31 09:16:27 PM

FishyFred: Even more damaging was the brilliant - there is no other word for it - interrogation from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) who challenged him to name one senator "intimidated" by the "Jewish lobby" and to name "one dumb thing" the United States did as a result of that intimidation. He couldn't.

Oh fark you. Anyone who denies the gravity exerted on politicians by organizations like AIPAC is living in a fantasy world. It's not an easy question to answer. They don't force anyone to do anything. They just drag the discourse in their general direction and let everyone else do the work.


Wait a minute -- you mean there isn't a public roster in DC where senators all write down which organizations have subtly (or not-so-subtly) influenced them?  And Hagel hasn't memorized it?
 
2013-01-31 09:18:36 PM

Stile4aly: The surge put whipped cream and a cherry on a plate of shiat and McCain's trying to convince us that made it a delicious ice cream sundae.


Hey it only took like 10 years.. but it worked... kinda.... not really....  ok Iraq is still a shiatty mess
 
2013-01-31 09:19:52 PM

PsiChick: Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?

THIS. We may not like them, they may be Nazi Germany's literal reincarnation, but legitimacy is a completely separate question from whether they're our enemies. Far as I'm aware, Iran's government is as legitimate as any other.


Iran isn't Nazi Germany. shiat, they're barely 1910 era Schlesswig-Holstein
 
2013-01-31 09:20:30 PM
Jennifer Rubin...dumbest, most shameless liar currently pretending to be a journalist, and that's really saying something.
 
2013-01-31 09:23:40 PM

raatz01: Jennifer Rubin...dumbest, most shameless liar currently pretending to be a journalist, and that's really saying something.


Well, she didn't say the quote. That faceless anonymous person who wished to remain nameless, but was definitely a Democrat in the Capitol who speaks to directly to her, an openly partisan hack for the GOP, said it.

That's credibility you can't question.
 
2013-01-31 09:24:22 PM

TheDebbieDee: DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.


McCain's aircraft was next to the A-4 that got hit by the rocket not the one that launched it.
Not sure if serious....
 
2013-01-31 09:38:55 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!


That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
www.centauri-dreams.org
 
2013-01-31 09:40:00 PM
Jennifer Rubin, that neocon fellating extremist.

What a piece of crap. How she has a job at paper like Washington Post says a lot about American jorunalism.

Hagel took an unnecessary thrashing over Israel.  That is total bullshiat,
 
2013-01-31 09:40:08 PM

Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?


Yep.  Either that or you're in bed with Ahmadinejad and having breakfast with Guardian Council.  It's based on the malleability of the word "legitimate."  It works like this:   I would interpret the question whether Iran's government is "legitimate" as asking whether the Iranian government is generally recognized as representing the soveriegn state known as (the Islamic Republic of) Iran.  Since Iran is a member of the United Nations, the answer to that question is "yes."  Then Senator Derpitty Derp (R-Derp) pretends that "legitimate" is really only synonymous with "good," and shoves a bucket of tacks down my throat for being all lovey-dovey with the bunch of murderous tyrants that run Iran.

///agree they are a bunch of murderous tyrants
//don't like Congressional Republicans a whole lot better
 
2013-01-31 09:42:32 PM

Hickory-smoked: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]


nice reference
 
2013-01-31 09:57:23 PM
It would be appropriate if John McCain would have a lethal myocardial infarction soon. Very soon. Bye John.
 
2013-01-31 09:57:35 PM

namatad: Hickory-smoked: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]

nice reference


Seconded.

/Falling Outside The Normal Moral Constraints
 
2013-01-31 10:00:02 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Uranus Is Huge!: If Hagel can't get confirmed, President Obama should just go into full troll mode and nominate Rand Paul

Ha! And I think he has actually stood by his position to cut defense spending.


Unfortunately, he has other positions as well.  Just wait until he's invading the entire middle east.  "They looked at Israel funny!  They had it coming!"
 
2013-01-31 10:03:09 PM
The readers are hammering her, in the comments section, at about a 60-1 ratio.

At what point does the Post get so much blowback that they finally terminate his feces flinger?
 
2013-01-31 10:04:28 PM
At what point does the Post get so much blowback that they finally terminate this feces flinger?

Dammit, preview is our friend.
 
2013-01-31 10:05:44 PM

jigger: What have you people got against Jennifer Rubin?

[www.rhyolitesite.com image 480x473]

[2media.nowpublic.net image 238x476]


Yeah really, the druggie girl from Nightmare on Elm Street 3? She was nice.
 
2013-01-31 10:08:08 PM

jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.


Somehow, I don't think you'll be bringing the potato salad either.
 
2013-01-31 10:08:26 PM

chairmanoohmowmow: lefists



What is this, El Salvador?
 
2013-01-31 10:11:19 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: TheDebbieDee: DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.

McCain's aircraft was next to the A-4 that got hit by the rocket not the one that launched it.
Not sure if serious....


Yes, I was serious. The story I read was that McCain, in a fit of impatient, uncontrolled rage, fired the thrusters/afterburners whatever (I'm completely unfamiliar with jet plane terminology) on his jet and ignited the jet behind his.
 
2013-01-31 10:13:38 PM
Can anyone please explain to me, in layman's terms why John McCain has such a hard on for Iran? I don't quite understand it.
 
2013-01-31 10:16:35 PM

lawboy87: The readers are hammering her, in the comments section, at about a 60-1 ratio.

At what point does the Post get so much blowback that they finally terminate his feces flinger?


Welcome to the state of American journalism.

At best you have the range from a full neoconservative lackey (ex Rubin - Kristol-Krauthammer) or an ex AIPAC lobbyist (Wolf Blitzer), to those who are neutral.

Now try to be a US journalist a a top level paper or on television, covering the middle east, and tilt past neutral towards the Arabs.  See how that works out for you.  (Ex, see Octavia Nasr and how she got fired).
 
2013-01-31 10:17:08 PM

lawboy87: The readers are hammering her, in the comments section, at about a 60-1 ratio.

At what point does the Post get so much blowback that they finally terminate his feces flinger?


Hey, it gets unique visitors, doesn't it?
 
2013-01-31 10:19:27 PM

Mistymtnhop: Can anyone please explain to me, in layman's terms why John McCain has such a hard on for Iran? I don't quite understand it.


John McCain has been tied in with the neoconservatives for a long time.  They have had a hard on for Iran since just after the first gulf war.

Interestingly, the neoconservatives were eager to support Iran when Saddam actually posed a real threat to the Israelis before he was neutered after the early 1990's.
 
2013-01-31 10:20:14 PM
He ugly.
 
2013-01-31 10:22:41 PM
He was elected as a Republican. There is a maximum cognitive ability limit for that.
 
2013-01-31 10:30:39 PM

TheDebbieDee: Doktor_Zhivago: TheDebbieDee: DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.

McCain's aircraft was next to the A-4 that got hit by the rocket not the one that launched it.
Not sure if serious....

Yes, I was serious. The story I read was that McCain, in a fit of impatient, uncontrolled rage, fired the thrusters/afterburners whatever (I'm completely unfamiliar with jet plane terminology) on his jet and ignited the jet behind his.


A rocket got fired accidentally by an F-4 (McCain flew the A-4) because the jackass in charge of the aircraft carrier decided to remove the safety pins that keep dangerous voltage surges from going to the weapons as the plane is switched from ship power to its own power, as a way of speeding up take offs and landings.  When the backup safety measure failed one of the rockets was launched from an F-4 into the wing mounted disposable fuel tank of an A-4 next to John McCain's aircraft.  The rocket did not detonate but the violent collision caused the fuel to ignite.  McCain actually tried to rescue another pilot before the bombs loaded onto their planes(which were WWII surplus and made from a very dangerous unstable explosive mix that **surprise** no one got told about) started bursting apart and exploding.

/dude may be an asshole politician but lets not start making things up.
//not sure when he gave up his gigantic brass balls to become a shiatty right wing cheerleader, it's sad.
 
2013-01-31 10:37:51 PM

SnakeLee: Uranus Is Huge!: President Obama should just go into full troll mode and nominate Rand Paul

I have been sort of thinking Obama should hire him for this role because the main reason that Obama wants Hagel is to oversee spending cuts in the defense sector.  Putting Rand Paul in charge of it would be the Republicans' worst nightmare, but at the same time, our defense department is too important to put a loon in charge.  The heads of the GOP just learned that lesson for all of us, unfortunately.


Hagel has actual defense chops. Rand Paul has nothing - literally nothing - to bring to the table.

/is that the joke dot jpeg
 
2013-01-31 10:37:56 PM
It's about f*cking time a NonCom had their ass in that seat.

It's his seat. Deal with it.
 
2013-01-31 10:38:08 PM

TheDebbieDee: Doktor_Zhivago: TheDebbieDee: DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.

McCain's aircraft was next to the A-4 that got hit by the rocket not the one that launched it.
Not sure if serious....

Yes, I was serious. The story I read was that McCain, in a fit of impatient, uncontrolled rage, fired the thrusters/afterburners whatever (I'm completely unfamiliar with jet plane terminology) on his jet and ignited the jet behind his.


No. Not even remotely close. There is even video tape of the incident. It was a Zuni rocket that accidentally fired from another aircraft on the flight deck.
 
2013-01-31 10:40:29 PM

fusillade762: namatad: Hickory-smoked: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]

nice reference

Seconded.

/Falling Outside The Normal Moral Constraints


Thirded:  I always preferred "Now Look What You Made Me Do" and "Killing Time" for ship names, but I have to admit that the FOtNMC had the best avatar

/Demeisen for SecDef.  I'd enjoy watching him toy with the Senators
 
2013-01-31 10:47:45 PM

Raoul Eaton: Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?

Yep.  Either that or you're in bed with Ahmadinejad and having breakfast with Guardian Council.  It's based on the malleability of the word "legitimate."  It works like this:   I would interpret the question whether Iran's government is "legitimate" as asking whether the Iranian government is generally recognized as representing the soveriegn state known as (the Islamic Republic of) Iran.  Since Iran is a member of the United Nations, the answer to that question is "yes."  Then Senator Derpitty Derp (R-Derp) pretends that "legitimate" is really only synonymous with "good," and shoves a bucket of tacks down my throat for being all lovey-dovey with the bunch of murderous tyrants that run Iran.

///agree they are a bunch of murderous tyrants
//don't like Congressional Republicans a whole lot better


Not to defend the inane obstructionism of the GOP, but on this point I think you're taking much too narrow a view of political legitimacy. There's a lot of ground between "Member of UN? Y/N" and "Super Good Guys? Y/N" and neither one of those is a particularly good criterion. Although one isn't necessarily wrong to say that the Iranian government is (in some sense) "legitimate," it also isn't outlandish to disagree with that or question it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)
 
2013-01-31 10:54:03 PM

Thrag: beta_plus: Oh poor little libbies, not only will they not be bringing  the potato salad to the next Mensa picnic, they won't get to stick their dick in the mashed potatoes of America's military like they fantasized.

Um, I don't know how to break this to you, and you might want to sit down while you hear this, but Hagel is a Republican.


Um, I don't know how to break this to you, but regardless this reflects badly on your Messiah.  In fact it makes it worse.
 
2013-01-31 11:05:17 PM

beta_plus: this reflects badly on your Messiah.


Hey, dickwad... How much time behind the trigger do you have running a squad in combat? I'm willing to bet it is less than Mr. Hagel.

How about you chew the peanuts out of his sh*t?

He's not polished? Awww... You're quaint. Mr McCain caught him in a L-Shaped word ambush over the surge?

Go F yourself.
 
2013-01-31 11:11:07 PM
Wow. Jennifer Rubin really is always wrong. Always. You have to admire that kind of consistency.
 
2013-01-31 11:15:21 PM

beta_plus: Um, I don't know how to break this to you, but regardless this reflects badly on your Messiah. In fact it makes it worse.


Because he picked a Republican to be Secretary of Defense?
 
2013-01-31 11:25:19 PM

fusillade762: I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]

nice reference

Seconded.

/Falling Outside The Normal Moral Constraints


is there a list somewhere of ship names?
Because some of them were quite inspired
 
2013-01-31 11:27:28 PM

one0nine: Fark you for making me click on a Jennifer Rubin link.


This.
 
2013-01-31 11:28:55 PM

namatad: fusillade762: I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]

nice reference

Seconded.

/Falling Outside The Normal Moral Constraints

is there a list somewhere of ship names?
Because some of them were quite inspired


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spacecraft_in_the_Culture_serie s
 
2013-01-31 11:34:51 PM
Good.  Enough with the clumsy attempts at bipartisanship.  Get a democrat in there.   Until the GOP can start behaving like grownups (instead of potato-counting anti-science terrorist obstructionist closet 'mos), let's just freeze them out.
 
2013-01-31 11:36:50 PM

people: Mistymtnhop: Can anyone please explain to me, in layman's terms why John McCain has such a hard on for Iran? I don't quite understand it.

John McCain has been tied in with the neoconservatives for a long time. They have had a hard on for Iran since just after the first gulf war. Interestingly, the neoconservatives were eager to support Iran when Saddam actually posed a real threat to the Israelis before he was neutered after the early 1990's.



Sorry for the long winded wall of text, but it is a bit hard to boil down JMcC into a single line that does not take into account other issues. Oddly similar to the same way today, that Hagel could not answer that question about The Surge in a single sentence.

John McCain has done quite a few great things, let's start with that. There is no question that he has put his arse out there on more than a few occasions for the country and that can never be taken away from him. He has shown himself to be a decent guy as well. The problem is that as of late, he seems to have been slipping and it is a problem.

He seems to have a overwhelming desire to cement a notable place in history for himself. Start with he is an pretty arrogant individual and has been chomping at the bit for over a decade for a position of note. Of course in 2008 he had that chance and a combination of being an idiot in terms of his choices (VP among others), simply being a bit too out of touch with the pulse of the country and an opponent who was in a transformative position, he lost his chance at the big chair. So instead he has spent his time wondering about what could have been and as of late, has increasingly become something of the whip-meister for the GOP when they need a "get off my lawn" old man to yell at the kids across the street.

In Iraq, he felt it was to be his neoconservative swansong to beat down the scourge of radical Islam and prove to the world that America was right by god to rid the planet of those horrible people who speak funny and kneel down several times a day. Instead, Iraq turned out to be a bust, Afghanistan got fixed without his help and the black dude in the WH pinched OBL and somehow misplaced JMcC's phone number that night and never called for a consult. JMcC was left out in the cold devoid of the destiny he probably thought would earn him a place in the pantheon of Americans who saved the world once again.

So JMcC, seriously wants to gnash his teeth and get something going on in Iran at all costs because it is his one last best chance to fulfil his neocon vision of White, Christian, Might Is Right With Jesus At My Side vision of the world order where he has had influence. What makes this look so stupid is that he is not in charge, completely out of the loop when it comes to foreign policy and has been shown to be just plain childish in his approach to the entire region.

The thing about NeoConservatives is that they really believe they have an almost god given right to impose their will on the world. What more, when god is not good enough, they will go as far as speaking for god so as to align god's supposed teachings to match their ambitions. I know....sounds weird....and it is...but that really is about how it plays out. (I am sure there are others who could elaborate better btw). So with this manifest destiny firmly in hand, NeoCons roll forth with their agenda to dominate the world or blow up those parts that do not listen to them and fall into line.

And Iran is the perfect foil at this time to accomplish this task and create one's legacy. That is if one is the in the position to make that happen. Unfortunately for McCain, he is not in that position and I believe, it burns him up to no end. But that is why he has the hard-on for Iran.

If you want to learn more about why JMcC is what he is, this BBC documentary is a pretty good primer about neoconservatism (not JMcC specifically). It is long (3, one hour episodes) but worth the time if you have it. While a bit dated (2004 I believe) it still carries enough relevance to be worthwhile to watch.

The Power of Nightmares - 1 of 3
The Rise of the Politics of Fear - Baby It's Cold Outside - (youtube)

The Power of Nightmares - 2 of 3
The Rise of the Politics of Fear - The Phantom Victory - (youtube)

The Power of Nightmares - 3 of 3
The Rise of the Politics of Fear - The Shadows in the Cave - (youtube)
 
2013-01-31 11:41:17 PM

Insatiable Jesus: From Netanyahu's mouth to Jennifer Rubin's ear


Skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet

Or the other way around. Either way.
 
2013-01-31 11:41:36 PM

homelessdude: If you want to learn more about why JMcC is what he is


John survived 6 years in that Hanoi pit of hell and still thinks Vietnam and Iraq were just and noble wars.

That is really all you need to know about him.
 
2013-01-31 11:42:55 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Raoul Eaton: Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?

Yep.  Either that or you're in bed with Ahmadinejad and having breakfast with Guardian Council.  It's based on the malleability of the word "legitimate."  It works like this:   I would interpret the question whether Iran's government is "legitimate" as asking whether the Iranian government is generally recognized as representing the soveriegn state known as (the Islamic Republic of) Iran.  Since Iran is a member of the United Nations, the answer to that question is "yes."  Then Senator Derpitty Derp (R-Derp) pretends that "legitimate" is really only synonymous with "good," and shoves a bucketof tacks down my throat for being all lovey-dovey with the bunch of murderous tyrants that run Iran.

///agree they are a bunch of murderous tyrants
//don't like Congressional Republicans a whole lot better

Not to defend the inane obstructionism of the GOP, but on this point I think you're taking much too narrow a view of political legitimacy. There's a lot of ground between "Member of UN? Y/N" and "Super Good Guys? Y/N" and neither one of those is a particularly good criterion. Although one isn't necessarily wrong to say that the Iranian government is (in some sense) "legitimate," it also isn't outlandish to disagree with that or question it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)



I think it's crazy to look at a government that's been governing its people for over 30 years and not think it is legitimate. It's like our silly approach with Cuba. Pretending Cuba's commie government does not exist ignores the 50+ years of their government existing. We can want them to be removed from power, but debating legitimacy is a waste of time.
 
2013-01-31 11:45:31 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: TheDebbieDee: Doktor_Zhivago: TheDebbieDee: DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.

McCain's aircraft was next to the A-4 that got hit by the rocket not the one that launched it.
Not sure if serious....

Yes, I was serious. The story I read was that McCain, in a fit of impatient, uncontrolled rage, fired the thrusters/afterburners whatever (I'm completely unfamiliar with jet plane terminology) on his jet and ignited the jet behind his.

A rocket got fired accidentally by an F-4 (McCain flew the A-4) because the jackass in charge of the aircraft carrier decided to remove the safety pins that keep dangerous voltage surges from going to the weapons as the plane is switched from ship power to its own power, as a way of speeding up take offs and landings.  When the backup safety measure failed one of the rockets was launched from an F-4 into the wing mounted disposable fuel tank of an A-4 next to John McCain's aircraft.  The rocket did not detonate but the violent collision caused the fuel to ignite.  McCain actually tried to rescue another pilot before the bombs loaded onto their planes(which were WWII surplus and made from a very dangerous unstable explosive mix that **surprise** no one got told about) started bursting apart and exploding.

/dude may be an asshole politician but lets not start making things up.
//not sure when he gave up his gigantic brass balls to become a shiatty right wing cheerleader, it's sad.


I felt much the same about accusations that Bush 41 was a wimp. I was no fan of his, but he piloted a TBM Avenger to a heavily defended target, and completed his bomb run, resulting in damage to the TBM so severe that he had to ditch near the island. He narrowly escaped being captured by the Japanese, and was picked up by a U.S. submarine. Whatever he was, the elder Bush was not a wimp.
 
2013-01-31 11:51:53 PM

NewportBarGuy: elessdude: If you want to learn more about why JMcC is what he is

John survived 6 years in that Hanoi pit of hell and still thinks Vietnam and Iraq were just and noble wars.

That is really all you need to know about him.


Your first sentence: Yes

Your second sentence: Yes and no. It does figure broadly into who he is, but the NeoCon ideology is not the same as it used to be just as the world in general is not. Today's NCs are almost Hyper-NeoCons in part due to them having more toys to be who they are. At the same time, the world has learned how to fight back better against the aggression with methods that were not in the playbook 50 years ago. You cannot look at McCain and just talk about 2 wars as a definition of who he is. There is so much more that has transpired since his time at the Hanoi Hilton or the issues surrounding Iraq.
 
2013-01-31 11:56:21 PM
I love how the same shiat heads that said the Iraq war was so important to fight because of WMDs now think others made foolish decisions about the war.
 
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