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2013-01-31 05:10:22 PM  
John McCain is a mean asshole. If Hagel were nominated by a GOP prez, he'd have spent his time talking about how great Hagel was.
 
2013-01-31 05:13:18 PM  
They were definitely being dicks to Hagel.  But it wasn't the best performance on his part either.  We all knew what he'd be facing in these hearings.
 
2013-01-31 05:19:03 PM  
That's gotta be a Jennifer Rubin blog. Hadn't seen her posted here in a while. I'd thought, perhaps optimistically, she'd gone away.
Shame on the Washington Post for continuing to publish her in any form. Next up, the New York Times hires Pamella Geller.
 
2013-01-31 05:42:29 PM  
Even more damaging was the brilliant - there is no other word for it - interrogation from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) who challenged him to name one senator "intimidated" by the "Jewish lobby" and to name "one dumb thing" the United States did as a result of that intimidation. He couldn't.

Oh fark you. Anyone who denies the gravity exerted on politicians by organizations like AIPAC is living in a fantasy world. It's not an easy question to answer. They don't force anyone to do anything. They just drag the discourse in their general direction and let everyone else do the work.
 
2013-01-31 05:43:03 PM  
She may be entirely correct, but the article is invalid because Jennifer Rubin.
 
2013-01-31 05:46:54 PM  
If Hagel can't get confirmed, President Obama should just go into full troll mode and nominate Rand Paul or Mitt Romney or John McCain, and then sit back and watch the feeding frenzy commence.

Also, Jennifer Rubin's farts from her mouth and poops through her keyboard.
 
2013-01-31 05:47:53 PM  

Nadie_AZ: John McCain is a mean asshole.


ATTENTION Sarah Palin (and her teatard fan base):

What McCain was doing?  THAT is a fkn "gotcha" question.

/have you stop beating your wife, Senator?  YES or NO!!1!
 
2013-01-31 05:50:05 PM  
I'm not thrilled with the Hagel nomination*, but Nadie_AZ is totally correct.

I'm not going to read a bunch of Jennifer Rubin crap, but it's my understanding that at one point in the questioning, noted intellect Ted Cruz played a clip of Hagel appearing on Al-Jazeera taking questions from a caller. Apparently, Hagel didn't refute something the caller said and that was Cruz's evidence that Hagel hates America and Israel or something.. That's some fine politicking, Ted.

/*I don't like nominating a Republican to the position and reinforcing the idea that Democrats shouldn't hold that job or that Democrats need a Republican to do it for them.
 
2013-01-31 05:53:33 PM  
Jennifer Rubin

Bwahahahahaha.

She's lucky to still be employed. Coont.
 
2013-01-31 06:07:26 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: President Obama should just go into full troll mode and nominate Rand Paul


I have been sort of thinking Obama should hire him for this role because the main reason that Obama wants Hagel is to oversee spending cuts in the defense sector.  Putting Rand Paul in charge of it would be the Republicans' worst nightmare, but at the same time, our defense department is too important to put a loon in charge.  The heads of the GOP just learned that lesson for all of us, unfortunately.
 
2013-01-31 06:11:19 PM  

FishyFred: Even more damaging was the brilliant - there is no other word for it - interrogation from Sen. Lindsey Graham


There is no other word for it! She writes like a goddamned gossip columnist.

And yes, clearly the lobbyists Hagel was referring to wield little to no power, as demonstrated by a former Republican Senator having confirmation trouble with current Republican Senators because he dared mention their existence once.
 
2013-01-31 06:18:14 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: If Hagel can't get confirmed, President Obama should just go into full troll mode and nominate Rand Paul


Ha! And I think he has actually stood by his position to cut defense spending.
Only problem is, McConnell...  Bunning... then Paul... I'm not sure I want to see what Kentucky shiats at the rest of us next.
 
2013-01-31 06:18:17 PM  
Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger

Don't do the danger!
 
2013-01-31 06:24:02 PM  
It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.
 
2013-01-31 06:25:57 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.


Cry moar.
 
2013-01-31 06:29:53 PM  
*Wince* He was that appalling? Both POTUS and Panetta probably have deep forehead indentations from all the smacks they've done today.
 
2013-01-31 06:33:22 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.

Cry moar.


Looks like you and the other libtards are doing the crying.
 
2013-01-31 06:35:54 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.


Oh?

Prove it.
 
2013-01-31 06:40:34 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Uranus Is Huge!: jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.

Cry moar.

Looks like you and the other libtards are doing the crying.


In your native language, does the word for 'to mock' look and sound like the word for 'to cry'? Because then, you'd almost make sense.
 
2013-01-31 07:01:49 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: If Hagel can't get confirmed, President Obama should just go into full troll mode and nominate Rand Paul or Mitt Romney or John McCain, and then sit back and watch the feeding frenzy commence.

Also, Jennifer Rubin's farts from her mouth and poops through her keyboard.


I like this
 
2013-01-31 07:02:09 PM  
If Jennifer Rubin is agin it, I'm fer it.
 
2013-01-31 07:05:12 PM  
Even more damaging was the brilliant - there is no other word for it - interrogation from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) who challenged him to name one senator "intimidated" by the "Jewish lobby"

The correct answer is "most of them".
 
2013-01-31 07:06:06 PM  
Gotta love it when they eat their own.
 
2013-01-31 07:06:42 PM  
I never really realized what a vapid partisan hack Jennifer Rubin is.
 
2013-01-31 07:08:13 PM  
Jennifer Rubin impugning another person's intellect.

HA HA HA, OH WOW.
 
2013-01-31 07:09:50 PM  
I was about to read this and then I saw the byline.......
Right Turn : Jennifer Rubin's take from a conservative perspective

Well, no need to read that article. It is just a spin of her last 50 literary tripes with the names changed.

Good ole Jen babe....still spewing after being shown (again) to be a total knucklehead during and after the election. This clownette feasts on derp mutton morning, noon and night and rarely, if ever, even comes close to getting it right.

She is the WashPo's img1.fark.net resident blogger.
 
2013-01-31 07:12:18 PM  
Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?
 
2013-01-31 07:12:55 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: If Hagel can't get confirmed, President Obama should just go into full troll mode and nominate Rand Paul or Mitt Romney or John McCain, and then sit back and watch the feeding frenzy commence.

Also, Jennifer Rubin's farts from her mouth and poops through her keyboard.


Susan Rice would be a fun pick.
 
2013-01-31 07:13:32 PM  

FishyFred: Even more damaging was the brilliant - there is no other word for it - interrogation from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) who challenged him to name one senator "intimidated" by the "Jewish lobby" and to name "one dumb thing" the United States did as a result of that intimidation. He couldn't.

Oh fark you. Anyone who denies the gravity exerted on politicians by organizations like AIPAC is living in a fantasy world. It's not an easy question to answer. They don't force anyone to do anything. They just drag the discourse in their general direction and let everyone else do the work.


I would think that the answer would be 1) Senator Hagel and 2) Having a candidate for Secretary of State grilled on whether or not he's sufficiently loyal to Israel.
 
2013-01-31 07:13:37 PM  

JerseyTim: I'm not thrilled with the Hagel nomination*, but Nadie_AZ is totally correct.

I'm not going to read a bunch of Jennifer Rubin crap, but it's my understanding that at one point in the questioning, noted intellect Ted Cruz played a clip of Hagel appearing on Al-Jazeera taking questions from a caller. Apparently, Hagel didn't refute something the caller said and that was Cruz's evidence that Hagel hates America and Israel or something.. That's some fine politicking, Ted.

/*I don't like nominating a Republican to the position and reinforcing the idea that Democrats shouldn't hold that job or that Democrats need a Republican to do it for them.


It is possible that this is a bait and switch for the position, but I doubt it.
 
2013-01-31 07:13:38 PM  
I enjoy Jennifer Rubin articles. The entire comment section more or less consists of people telling her off.
 
2013-01-31 07:13:48 PM  
Republicans would attack Jesus if he shook Obama's hand

/they already ignore everything he said anyway
 
2013-01-31 07:15:33 PM  
From Netanyahu's mouth to Jennifer Rubin's ear to your "American" news media. Why is 5% of our population creating 90% of the anti-Obama derp?
 
2013-01-31 07:15:57 PM  
www.curtaincalltv.net
 
2013-01-31 07:16:28 PM  
I might be off on this, but typical Mensa meetings are not "picnics".  Seems like someone wants to make themselves sound smarter than they are.
 
2013-01-31 07:17:17 PM  
Was Hagel wrong in his assessment of the surge being the worst disaster since Vietnam, yes he was.

Was the surge a success, absolutely not. It was an utter failure. It failed to achieve its stated goals in the stated timeline. It did have a positive effect on the overall outcome of the war but that does not change the fact that it failed in its goals.

It doesn't matter that you wrote a good solid B paper when you hand it in a year after the due date and it isn't even on the assigned subject. You still get an F for the assignment.
 
2013-01-31 07:17:26 PM  
I still maintain this has almost nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with the Holy Defense Budget (Praise be unto its name).
 
2013-01-31 07:19:24 PM  

RexTalionis: I enjoy Jennifer Rubin articles. The entire comment section more or less consists of people telling her off.


I never enabled scripts on their site before.  The comments are quite entertaining.
 
2013-01-31 07:20:15 PM  
Of course he won't. Mensa meetings have egg salad, dumbass.
 
2013-01-31 07:22:58 PM  

fusillade762: I still maintain this has almost nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with the Holy Defense Budget (Praise be unto its name).


Except the House GOP is fine with the cuts, as long as they hurt Obama and the Democrats in 2014 and 2016.
 
2013-01-31 07:26:17 PM  
I'm pretty certain most modern GOPers won't be invited to the Mensa meeting, so there's that.
 
2013-01-31 07:26:32 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: From Netanyahu's mouth to Jennifer Rubin's ear to your "American" news media. Why is 5% of our population creating 90% of the anti-Obama derp?


There is some Pareto Principal action going on there...reverse or otherwise I am not sure.

To answer the 5% question - because 25% of the country is estimated to have mental illness. Of that 25%, 4 out of 5 don't have computers and the other fifth are related to Jennifer Rubin. Or something like that.

Mental Illness: Facts And Numbers (pdf)
 
2013-01-31 07:27:21 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.


He's nominated to be the Secretary of Defense, he'll execute the policies of the President... if you were asking whether or not the guy was someone for whom I would vote as a represenative or Senator, the answer is probably not... but this guy is not nominated for those jobs. He can't go to war on his own, he doesn't decide whether or not the US imposes unilateral sanctions, and he can't tell the sun not to come up in the morning, you disingenuous fark.
 
2013-01-31 07:28:22 PM  
FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

/I'll bring the count-to-potato salad
 
2013-01-31 07:29:25 PM  

fusillade762: I still maintain this has almost nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with the Holy Defense Budget (Praise be unto its name).


McCain is just pissed off at Hagel, just like he was at Susan Rice for daring to criticize McCain's foreign policy judgement. The man can hold a grudge like no other. Graham does whatever McCain does, but he also feasts at the trough of the defense budget massively.
 
2013-01-31 07:31:09 PM  
Danger ...The Chicken Hawks are circling.
 
2013-01-31 07:31:32 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: FishyFred: Even more damaging was the brilliant - there is no other word for it - interrogation from Sen. Lindsey Graham

There is no other word for it! She writes like a goddamned gossip columnist.


Nothing Lindsey Graham has ever done has been "brilliant".
 
2013-01-31 07:32:17 PM  
I say we deport McCain over to Israel.
Then he can make sweet sweet man love to Nutty Yahoo Zee Master and ruler of people who are getting tired of his murderous rampage against the people of Palestine and the rest of the middle east.

/Or rake McCain and his co-conspirators over the coals on charges of Treason against the U.S.A.

//Hagel is considered to be a pacifist.
///McCain is considered to be senile, just like Reagans second term. Whar medical brain comprehension tests?Wahr?
 
2013-01-31 07:38:12 PM  
www.peteykins.com
 
2013-01-31 07:40:03 PM  
Fark you for making me click on a Jennifer Rubin link.
 
2013-01-31 07:42:54 PM  
Hagel doesn't have to be brilliant, but he does have to have some integrity.  There are some pretty good people behind him to execute the downsizing of the military - which better proceed at a slow pace, lest we get ahead of ourselves. (The Defense Industry downsizing does have a lot of secondary effects, similar to what happens when the Auto Industry was in jeopardy.) He seems to have enough sense to understand that Iraq was a poor idea, after going along like everyone else - at least he had the nuts to say so before most other Republicans did.  He seems to think that the State Department should have the lead in dealing with Iran, which I agree with.  And the Pro-Israeli lobby should have doubters - they certainly have plenty of "Yes" men.  Having a couple of "Let's hold on here" folks is not unwarranted.

He's not a great choice but he's far from the worst choice.  People seem to forget that John Kerry was President Obama's first choice for SECDEF.  I think that Republicans are thrilled that a Democrat from the Senate was lost to fill a cabinet position, and would have loved to see another Democrat leave the Senate for another role, such as SECDEF.  Hagel is actually a Republican fall guy, in that sense.

The hard work of executing policy change (Gays in the military and Women in combat) has turned the corner, and there will be folks who have been studying these issues for years behind him; they were there before he gets there and they'll be there after he's gone.  All he has to do is keep the wheels turning and show that he's steady and relatively dependable.
 
2013-01-31 07:45:55 PM  
Watched/listened to the whole thing. Beyond respect and admiration for one's service to their country, they all recognize the special and historic bond between the U.S. and Israel. Get a room.

//also, republicans suck
 
2013-01-31 07:46:57 PM  
Poor old John McCain. Still trying to live up to his daddy's expectations. Sadly, he never will. He'll just keep getting angrier and more irrelevant and then fade away and die.
 
2013-01-31 07:49:20 PM  
I can't believe this is the same person who founded Def Jam in his NYU dorm room.
 
2013-01-31 07:50:48 PM  
Jennifer Rubin ain't exactly going to any Mensa events, either.  http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/07/wapos-jennifer-rubin-admits-sh e-misled-her-read/191214
 
2013-01-31 07:51:48 PM  
You know the deal stinks when lefists throw their support behind a republican or visa versa.
 
2013-01-31 07:52:14 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Uranus Is Huge!: jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.

Cry moar.

Looks like you and the other libtards are doing the crying.


You geniuses DO realize that the GOP got trounced in the last election, right?
 
2013-01-31 07:55:42 PM  

bronyaur1: jehovahs witness protection: Uranus Is Huge!: jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.

Cry moar.

Looks like you and the other libtards are doing the crying.

You geniuses DO realize that the GOP got trounced in the last election, right?


No, they got raped.  Just like they wanted it.  Because RAPEublican
 
2013-01-31 07:55:44 PM  
What have you people got against Jennifer Rubin?

www.rhyolitesite.com

2media.nowpublic.net
 
2013-01-31 07:56:58 PM  
Hmmm.  Jennifer Rubin.  Well, ok then.
 
2013-01-31 07:57:22 PM  
The view from the Washington Post's resident right-wing hack.  Who cares what Hagel thinks?  The important issue is that whatever he thinks is on the same page as the Obama Administration.  Reject his nomination and they will just appoint nominate else who will implement the Obama policy.  If policy is the issue they should just come right out and say it.  I guess Obama's center- right policies just are not right-wing enough for these guys.   And of course John McCain who has been wrong on just about every bit of foreign policy this century.   So let's heed his advice.
 
2013-01-31 07:58:41 PM  

RexTalionis: I enjoy Jennifer Rubin articles. The entire comment section more or less consists of people telling her off.


Heh.

Too often, you confuse your own wishes with reality. This is not a very enjoyable style.

Why not write the reality, which is that you wish for his nomination to "sink"?

Had you employed this latter technique during the Presidential campaign, rather than the former, you would have had a different reception.



Yeah, not too bad. Though her reputation was shiat well before the Post ended up in such a clusterfark of a situation where they actually ended up hiring her.
 
2013-01-31 07:59:33 PM  
Earlier today, a bunch of Washington Post people were frantically sending out statements pointing out that Jennifer Rubin is not a reporter.  Farking losers.  If you are embarrassed by the shiat she says (and you SHOULD be), then don't farking hire her to write for your goddamn paper.
 
2013-01-31 07:59:41 PM  

FishyFred: Even more damaging was the brilliant - there is no other word for it - interrogation from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) who challenged him to name one senator "intimidated" by the "Jewish lobby" and to name "one dumb thing" the United States did as a result of that intimidation. He couldn't.

Oh fark you. Anyone who denies the gravity exerted on politicians by organizations like AIPAC is living in a fantasy world. It's not an easy question to answer. They don't force anyone to do anything. They just drag the discourse in their general direction and let everyone else do the work.


Like every lobbying organization and political party in their history. What makes this one worth singling out?
 
2013-01-31 07:59:48 PM  

LoveAllServeAll: Poor old John McCain. Still trying to live up to his daddy's expectations. Sadly, he never will. He'll just keep getting angrier and more irrelevant and then fade away and die.


One has to wonder how long he can keep up the angry old man routine. If not for his health than for the fact that, at some point, he will get brushed to the side. I suppose his little tirades of being "very concerned" about everything that "wherever he goes, people are telling him" this or that is wrong (TorT being whatever is the current Democrat issue for that day) still has some traction. However, I also think he is reaching a point of diminishing returns with this self-proclaimed renegade-ness and sage political wisdom. Aside from being an angry white dude who yells a lot, he does not appear to be too effective a politician.

I guess the GOP will drive the McCain mobile along with the steam coming out of the hood until the engine seizes or the transmission gives out. Then they will take the plates off, file down the VIN , leave it at the roadside and call a cab for the rest of the trip.
 
2013-01-31 08:00:02 PM  
Rush was right; the job is meaningless.

Obama will make the strategic decisions (as he should) and the generals will make the tactical decisions.
 
2013-01-31 08:00:32 PM  

chairmanoohmowmow: You know the deal stinks when lefists throw their support behind a republican or visa versa.


Go on.

You have some logic in there right?
 
2013-01-31 08:02:06 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: If Hagel can't get confirmed, President Obama should just go into full troll mode and nominate Rand Paul or Mitt Romney or John McCain, and then sit back and watch the feeding frenzy commence.


This got you smart-ed.

Also, Jennifer Rubin's farts from her mouth and poops through her keyboard.

This got you funny-ed.
 
2013-01-31 08:07:49 PM  

Glancing Blow: www.peteykins.com


Oh you son of a biatch! My eyes!


/The fugly! It burns!
 
2013-01-31 08:11:08 PM  
Not gonna quote that jehova imbecile but how can someone be jimmy carter with an r before his name, and a democrat who ran as a republican, and still be against everything liberals stand for? Wouldn't that last part make him a republican?

???!!!???
 
2013-01-31 08:11:36 PM  
A long-time Capitol Hill Democrat astounded by the hearing tells me, "It is very clear from the testimony that Sen. Hagel will not be bringing the potato salad to the next Mensa picnic."

OOOOOHH  SNAAAAAAAAAAPPP!!!

/Susan Rice and now this guy?
//Obama needs to fire his head of HR ASAP
///To steal an oldie but goldie Fark Headling
////We now know that Obama is not the second coming of Christ.  Jesus knew how to assemble a cabinet!
 
2013-01-31 08:18:40 PM  
Oh poor little libbies, not only will they not be bringing  the potato salad to the next Mensa picnic, they won't get to stick their dick in the mashed potatoes of America's military like they fantasized.
 
2013-01-31 08:19:28 PM  

beta_plus: Oh poor little libbies, not only will they not be bringing  the potato salad to the next Mensa picnic, they won't get to stick their dick in the mashed potatoes of America's military like they fantasized.


You're precious.
 
2013-01-31 08:20:38 PM  
Not to be to Machiavellian but I wonder how many of these candidates are selected specifically to be sacrificial.
 
2013-01-31 08:21:43 PM  

you are a puppet: Not gonna quote that jehova imbecile but how can someone be jimmy carter with an r before his name, and a democrat who ran as a republican, and still be against everything liberals stand for? Wouldn't that last part make him a republican?

???!!!???


remember, southern republicans are racist democrats the were shown the door, it is all rather incestual
 
2013-01-31 08:22:01 PM  
I may not like Hagel, but anyone that calls Sen. Graham "brilliant", needs to have their head examined.
 
2013-01-31 08:22:50 PM  

GoodyearPimp: I might be off on this, but typical Mensa meetings are not "picnics".


If you find them that hard, perhaps you shouldn't be attending.
 
2013-01-31 08:24:05 PM  
Has WaPo solved skeetghazi yet? That's the important thing
 
2013-01-31 08:24:33 PM  
Fark you subby for making me read a paragraph of Jennifer Rubin's drivel.
 
2013-01-31 08:27:30 PM  
FTFA Posted by Jennifer Rubin

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2013-01-31 08:28:56 PM  
After reading that excuse for an article I'm just going to have to find the hearing on C-Span and listen to it myself, because her tone is making my bullshiat detector spike pretty hard.
 
2013-01-31 08:31:25 PM  
Nine farking hours of watching a man being nominated to US Secretary of Defense have to explain why he wouldn't just drop down to his knees and suck the cawk of Israel when called.  Watching this display reminds me is the sheer jaw dropping exhibition of power Israel has over the US government.  I's farking frightening that a self believed sovreign nation and world's lone superpower could be so utterly wrapped around the little finger of another nation like this.
 
2013-01-31 08:32:31 PM  
Gosh, ease up on JWP. If you are going to criticize the creature as "disingenuous" at least provide citation. I feel that it actually believes everything that flows from it's keyboard to it's screen.

And it is right! Only a democrat would attempt to compromise at all. Even if the compromise is a weak republican.
 
2013-01-31 08:35:18 PM  

beta_plus: Oh poor little libbies, not only will they not be bringing  the potato salad to the next Mensa picnic, they won't get to stick their dick in the mashed potatoes of America's military like they fantasized.



Which they? The they? The them?

/just wanna be clear here.
 
2013-01-31 08:35:52 PM  
Anyone who wants to see for themselves whether this author is providing an accurate assessment of the hearings or not  can watch them here.
 
2013-01-31 08:38:18 PM  

beta_plus: Oh poor little libbies, not only will they not be bringing  the potato salad to the next Mensa picnic, they won't get to stick their dick in the mashed potatoes of America's military like they fantasized.


Um, I don't know how to break this to you, and you might want to sit down while you hear this, but Hagel is a Republican.
 
2013-01-31 08:43:19 PM  
lulz the washington post
www.topsecretwriters.com


"How are the mighty fallen, and the weapons of war perished!"
 
2013-01-31 08:45:28 PM  

FishyFred: Even more damaging was the brilliant - there is no other word for it - interrogation from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) who challenged him to name one senator "intimidated" by the "Jewish lobby" and to name "one dumb thing" the United States did as a result of that intimidation. He couldn't.

Oh fark you. Anyone who denies the gravity exerted on politicians by organizations like AIPAC is living in a fantasy world. It's not an easy question to answer. They don't force anyone to do anything. They just drag the discourse in their general direction and let everyone else do the work.


If this was actually about speaking the truth rather than a meaningless dog and pony show, Hagel would have said "All of you are intimidated by the Jewish Lobby.   That's why I'm sitting here answering 9 hours worth of questions about how willing I am to suck Israel's cawk when called upon as opposed to how I would protect Americans as Secretary of Defense.    This whole circus proceeding is nothing but an awe inspiring and frightening display of the influence and muscle that Israel has over the American Government and how America is nothing more than their little biatch.   Usually even the cheapest whore gets left cab fare on the night stand for a taxi ride home, we're the whore that actually pays the john."
 
2013-01-31 08:48:29 PM  

Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?


THIS. We may not like them, they may be Nazi Germany's literal reincarnation, but legitimacy is a completely separate question from whether they're our enemies. Far as I'm aware, Iran's government is as legitimate as any other.
 
2013-01-31 08:49:08 PM  

PsiChick: Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?

THIS. We may not like them, they may be Nazi Germany's literal reincarnation, but legitimacy is a completely separate question from whether they're our enemies. Far as I'm aware, Iran's government is as legitimate as any other.


*Given that the United States will outright support banana republics, anyway.

/Preview button, kiddies.
 
2013-01-31 08:51:35 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: That's gotta be a Jennifer Rubin blog. Hadn't seen her posted here in a while. I'd thought, perhaps optimistically, she'd gone away.
Shame on the Washington Post for continuing to publish her in any form. Next up, the New York Times hires Pamella Geller.


yeah Hagel's biggest flaw is that he doesn't seem to have his lips planted firmly enough on Bibi's ass for her.
 
2013-01-31 08:55:11 PM  

PsiChick: PsiChick: Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?

THIS. We may not like them, they may be Nazi Germany's literal reincarnation, but legitimacy is a completely separate question from whether they're our enemies. Far as I'm aware, Iran's government is as legitimate as any other.

*Given that the United States will outright support banana republics, anyway.

/Preview button, kiddies.


Any government we don't agree with we have to pretend it doesn't exist otherwise Reagan.  And Jesus.  Herp. Derp.
 
2013-01-31 08:55:16 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Of course he won't. Mensa meetings have egg salad, dumbass.


we always had tuna salad. hmm...
 
2013-01-31 08:55:33 PM  

beta_plus: Oh poor little libbies, not only will they not be bringing  the potato salad to the next Mensa picnic, they won't get to stick their dick in the mashed potatoes of America's military like they fantasized.


I am pretty sure the GOP fantasizes about dicks all day.
 
2013-01-31 09:01:01 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: That's gotta be a Jennifer Rubin blog. Hadn't seen her posted here in a while. I'd thought, perhaps optimistically, she'd gone away.
Shame on the Washington Post for continuing to publish her in any form. Next up, the New York Times hires Pamella Geller.


Pretty good post from the Atlantic about what an EPIC FAIL she's been for the Washington Post.
 
2013-01-31 09:06:40 PM  
Regardless, Hagel will be confirmed.
 
2013-01-31 09:07:15 PM  
this is cute. republicans are now eating their own.
 
2013-01-31 09:07:18 PM  

jigger: What have you people got against Jennifer Rubin?

[www.rhyolitesite.com image 480x473]

[2media.nowpublic.net image 238x476]


Too many kittens met their doom after I became aware of this woman
 
2013-01-31 09:08:58 PM  
 
2013-01-31 09:11:20 PM  
The surge put whipped cream and a cherry on a plate of shiat and McCain's trying to convince us that made it a delicious ice cream sundae.
 
2013-01-31 09:11:49 PM  
I wish that when he was queried on whether the government of Iran was legitimate he had responded, "I mean legitimate in the same sense that Republicans mean that term when they talk about legitimate rape."
 
2013-01-31 09:13:56 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: jehovahs witness protection: Uranus Is Huge!: jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.

Cry moar.

Looks like you and the other libtards are doing the crying.

In your native language, does the word for 'to mock' look and sound like the word for 'to cry'? Because then, you'd almost make sense.


Try "to blave."
 
2013-01-31 09:14:07 PM  
You want to beat up on a fellow Republican who was awarded medals for his service to his country in Vietnam (as enlisted infantry none the less)? Please proceed.

Let's see how these ass-hats claim that Obama is the obstructionist when they can't even confirm someone from their own damn party.
 
2013-01-31 09:15:32 PM  
DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.
 
2013-01-31 09:16:27 PM  

FishyFred: Even more damaging was the brilliant - there is no other word for it - interrogation from Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) who challenged him to name one senator "intimidated" by the "Jewish lobby" and to name "one dumb thing" the United States did as a result of that intimidation. He couldn't.

Oh fark you. Anyone who denies the gravity exerted on politicians by organizations like AIPAC is living in a fantasy world. It's not an easy question to answer. They don't force anyone to do anything. They just drag the discourse in their general direction and let everyone else do the work.


Wait a minute -- you mean there isn't a public roster in DC where senators all write down which organizations have subtly (or not-so-subtly) influenced them?  And Hagel hasn't memorized it?
 
2013-01-31 09:18:36 PM  

Stile4aly: The surge put whipped cream and a cherry on a plate of shiat and McCain's trying to convince us that made it a delicious ice cream sundae.


Hey it only took like 10 years.. but it worked... kinda.... not really....  ok Iraq is still a shiatty mess
 
2013-01-31 09:19:52 PM  

PsiChick: Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?

THIS. We may not like them, they may be Nazi Germany's literal reincarnation, but legitimacy is a completely separate question from whether they're our enemies. Far as I'm aware, Iran's government is as legitimate as any other.


Iran isn't Nazi Germany. shiat, they're barely 1910 era Schlesswig-Holstein
 
2013-01-31 09:20:30 PM  
Jennifer Rubin...dumbest, most shameless liar currently pretending to be a journalist, and that's really saying something.
 
2013-01-31 09:23:40 PM  

raatz01: Jennifer Rubin...dumbest, most shameless liar currently pretending to be a journalist, and that's really saying something.


Well, she didn't say the quote. That faceless anonymous person who wished to remain nameless, but was definitely a Democrat in the Capitol who speaks to directly to her, an openly partisan hack for the GOP, said it.

That's credibility you can't question.
 
2013-01-31 09:24:22 PM  

TheDebbieDee: DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.


McCain's aircraft was next to the A-4 that got hit by the rocket not the one that launched it.
Not sure if serious....
 
2013-01-31 09:38:55 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!


That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
www.centauri-dreams.org
 
2013-01-31 09:40:00 PM  
Jennifer Rubin, that neocon fellating extremist.

What a piece of crap. How she has a job at paper like Washington Post says a lot about American jorunalism.

Hagel took an unnecessary thrashing over Israel.  That is total bullshiat,
 
2013-01-31 09:40:08 PM  

Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?


Yep.  Either that or you're in bed with Ahmadinejad and having breakfast with Guardian Council.  It's based on the malleability of the word "legitimate."  It works like this:   I would interpret the question whether Iran's government is "legitimate" as asking whether the Iranian government is generally recognized as representing the soveriegn state known as (the Islamic Republic of) Iran.  Since Iran is a member of the United Nations, the answer to that question is "yes."  Then Senator Derpitty Derp (R-Derp) pretends that "legitimate" is really only synonymous with "good," and shoves a bucket of tacks down my throat for being all lovey-dovey with the bunch of murderous tyrants that run Iran.

///agree they are a bunch of murderous tyrants
//don't like Congressional Republicans a whole lot better
 
2013-01-31 09:42:32 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]


nice reference
 
2013-01-31 09:57:23 PM  
It would be appropriate if John McCain would have a lethal myocardial infarction soon. Very soon. Bye John.
 
2013-01-31 09:57:35 PM  

namatad: Hickory-smoked: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]

nice reference


Seconded.

/Falling Outside The Normal Moral Constraints
 
2013-01-31 10:00:02 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Uranus Is Huge!: If Hagel can't get confirmed, President Obama should just go into full troll mode and nominate Rand Paul

Ha! And I think he has actually stood by his position to cut defense spending.


Unfortunately, he has other positions as well.  Just wait until he's invading the entire middle east.  "They looked at Israel funny!  They had it coming!"
 
2013-01-31 10:03:09 PM  
The readers are hammering her, in the comments section, at about a 60-1 ratio.

At what point does the Post get so much blowback that they finally terminate his feces flinger?
 
2013-01-31 10:04:28 PM  
At what point does the Post get so much blowback that they finally terminate this feces flinger?

Dammit, preview is our friend.
 
2013-01-31 10:05:44 PM  

jigger: What have you people got against Jennifer Rubin?

[www.rhyolitesite.com image 480x473]

[2media.nowpublic.net image 238x476]


Yeah really, the druggie girl from Nightmare on Elm Street 3? She was nice.
 
2013-01-31 10:08:08 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.


Somehow, I don't think you'll be bringing the potato salad either.
 
2013-01-31 10:08:26 PM  

chairmanoohmowmow: lefists



What is this, El Salvador?
 
2013-01-31 10:11:19 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: TheDebbieDee: DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.

McCain's aircraft was next to the A-4 that got hit by the rocket not the one that launched it.
Not sure if serious....


Yes, I was serious. The story I read was that McCain, in a fit of impatient, uncontrolled rage, fired the thrusters/afterburners whatever (I'm completely unfamiliar with jet plane terminology) on his jet and ignited the jet behind his.
 
2013-01-31 10:13:38 PM  
Can anyone please explain to me, in layman's terms why John McCain has such a hard on for Iran? I don't quite understand it.
 
2013-01-31 10:16:35 PM  

lawboy87: The readers are hammering her, in the comments section, at about a 60-1 ratio.

At what point does the Post get so much blowback that they finally terminate his feces flinger?


Welcome to the state of American journalism.

At best you have the range from a full neoconservative lackey (ex Rubin - Kristol-Krauthammer) or an ex AIPAC lobbyist (Wolf Blitzer), to those who are neutral.

Now try to be a US journalist a a top level paper or on television, covering the middle east, and tilt past neutral towards the Arabs.  See how that works out for you.  (Ex, see Octavia Nasr and how she got fired).
 
2013-01-31 10:17:08 PM  

lawboy87: The readers are hammering her, in the comments section, at about a 60-1 ratio.

At what point does the Post get so much blowback that they finally terminate his feces flinger?


Hey, it gets unique visitors, doesn't it?
 
2013-01-31 10:19:27 PM  

Mistymtnhop: Can anyone please explain to me, in layman's terms why John McCain has such a hard on for Iran? I don't quite understand it.


John McCain has been tied in with the neoconservatives for a long time.  They have had a hard on for Iran since just after the first gulf war.

Interestingly, the neoconservatives were eager to support Iran when Saddam actually posed a real threat to the Israelis before he was neutered after the early 1990's.
 
2013-01-31 10:20:14 PM  
He ugly.
 
2013-01-31 10:22:41 PM  
He was elected as a Republican. There is a maximum cognitive ability limit for that.
 
2013-01-31 10:30:39 PM  

TheDebbieDee: Doktor_Zhivago: TheDebbieDee: DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.

McCain's aircraft was next to the A-4 that got hit by the rocket not the one that launched it.
Not sure if serious....

Yes, I was serious. The story I read was that McCain, in a fit of impatient, uncontrolled rage, fired the thrusters/afterburners whatever (I'm completely unfamiliar with jet plane terminology) on his jet and ignited the jet behind his.


A rocket got fired accidentally by an F-4 (McCain flew the A-4) because the jackass in charge of the aircraft carrier decided to remove the safety pins that keep dangerous voltage surges from going to the weapons as the plane is switched from ship power to its own power, as a way of speeding up take offs and landings.  When the backup safety measure failed one of the rockets was launched from an F-4 into the wing mounted disposable fuel tank of an A-4 next to John McCain's aircraft.  The rocket did not detonate but the violent collision caused the fuel to ignite.  McCain actually tried to rescue another pilot before the bombs loaded onto their planes(which were WWII surplus and made from a very dangerous unstable explosive mix that **surprise** no one got told about) started bursting apart and exploding.

/dude may be an asshole politician but lets not start making things up.
//not sure when he gave up his gigantic brass balls to become a shiatty right wing cheerleader, it's sad.
 
2013-01-31 10:37:51 PM  

SnakeLee: Uranus Is Huge!: President Obama should just go into full troll mode and nominate Rand Paul

I have been sort of thinking Obama should hire him for this role because the main reason that Obama wants Hagel is to oversee spending cuts in the defense sector.  Putting Rand Paul in charge of it would be the Republicans' worst nightmare, but at the same time, our defense department is too important to put a loon in charge.  The heads of the GOP just learned that lesson for all of us, unfortunately.


Hagel has actual defense chops. Rand Paul has nothing - literally nothing - to bring to the table.

/is that the joke dot jpeg
 
2013-01-31 10:37:56 PM  
It's about f*cking time a NonCom had their ass in that seat.

It's his seat. Deal with it.
 
2013-01-31 10:38:08 PM  

TheDebbieDee: Doktor_Zhivago: TheDebbieDee: DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.

McCain's aircraft was next to the A-4 that got hit by the rocket not the one that launched it.
Not sure if serious....

Yes, I was serious. The story I read was that McCain, in a fit of impatient, uncontrolled rage, fired the thrusters/afterburners whatever (I'm completely unfamiliar with jet plane terminology) on his jet and ignited the jet behind his.


No. Not even remotely close. There is even video tape of the incident. It was a Zuni rocket that accidentally fired from another aircraft on the flight deck.
 
2013-01-31 10:40:29 PM  

fusillade762: namatad: Hickory-smoked: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]

nice reference

Seconded.

/Falling Outside The Normal Moral Constraints


Thirded:  I always preferred "Now Look What You Made Me Do" and "Killing Time" for ship names, but I have to admit that the FOtNMC had the best avatar

/Demeisen for SecDef.  I'd enjoy watching him toy with the Senators
 
2013-01-31 10:47:45 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?

Yep.  Either that or you're in bed with Ahmadinejad and having breakfast with Guardian Council.  It's based on the malleability of the word "legitimate."  It works like this:   I would interpret the question whether Iran's government is "legitimate" as asking whether the Iranian government is generally recognized as representing the soveriegn state known as (the Islamic Republic of) Iran.  Since Iran is a member of the United Nations, the answer to that question is "yes."  Then Senator Derpitty Derp (R-Derp) pretends that "legitimate" is really only synonymous with "good," and shoves a bucket of tacks down my throat for being all lovey-dovey with the bunch of murderous tyrants that run Iran.

///agree they are a bunch of murderous tyrants
//don't like Congressional Republicans a whole lot better


Not to defend the inane obstructionism of the GOP, but on this point I think you're taking much too narrow a view of political legitimacy. There's a lot of ground between "Member of UN? Y/N" and "Super Good Guys? Y/N" and neither one of those is a particularly good criterion. Although one isn't necessarily wrong to say that the Iranian government is (in some sense) "legitimate," it also isn't outlandish to disagree with that or question it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)
 
2013-01-31 10:54:03 PM  

Thrag: beta_plus: Oh poor little libbies, not only will they not be bringing  the potato salad to the next Mensa picnic, they won't get to stick their dick in the mashed potatoes of America's military like they fantasized.

Um, I don't know how to break this to you, and you might want to sit down while you hear this, but Hagel is a Republican.


Um, I don't know how to break this to you, but regardless this reflects badly on your Messiah.  In fact it makes it worse.
 
2013-01-31 11:05:17 PM  

beta_plus: this reflects badly on your Messiah.


Hey, dickwad... How much time behind the trigger do you have running a squad in combat? I'm willing to bet it is less than Mr. Hagel.

How about you chew the peanuts out of his sh*t?

He's not polished? Awww... You're quaint. Mr McCain caught him in a L-Shaped word ambush over the surge?

Go F yourself.
 
2013-01-31 11:11:07 PM  
Wow. Jennifer Rubin really is always wrong. Always. You have to admire that kind of consistency.
 
2013-01-31 11:15:21 PM  

beta_plus: Um, I don't know how to break this to you, but regardless this reflects badly on your Messiah. In fact it makes it worse.


Because he picked a Republican to be Secretary of Defense?
 
2013-01-31 11:25:19 PM  

fusillade762: I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]

nice reference

Seconded.

/Falling Outside The Normal Moral Constraints


is there a list somewhere of ship names?
Because some of them were quite inspired
 
2013-01-31 11:27:28 PM  

one0nine: Fark you for making me click on a Jennifer Rubin link.


This.
 
2013-01-31 11:28:55 PM  

namatad: fusillade762: I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]

nice reference

Seconded.

/Falling Outside The Normal Moral Constraints

is there a list somewhere of ship names?
Because some of them were quite inspired


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spacecraft_in_the_Culture_serie s
 
2013-01-31 11:34:51 PM  
Good.  Enough with the clumsy attempts at bipartisanship.  Get a democrat in there.   Until the GOP can start behaving like grownups (instead of potato-counting anti-science terrorist obstructionist closet 'mos), let's just freeze them out.
 
2013-01-31 11:36:50 PM  

people: Mistymtnhop: Can anyone please explain to me, in layman's terms why John McCain has such a hard on for Iran? I don't quite understand it.

John McCain has been tied in with the neoconservatives for a long time. They have had a hard on for Iran since just after the first gulf war. Interestingly, the neoconservatives were eager to support Iran when Saddam actually posed a real threat to the Israelis before he was neutered after the early 1990's.



Sorry for the long winded wall of text, but it is a bit hard to boil down JMcC into a single line that does not take into account other issues. Oddly similar to the same way today, that Hagel could not answer that question about The Surge in a single sentence.

John McCain has done quite a few great things, let's start with that. There is no question that he has put his arse out there on more than a few occasions for the country and that can never be taken away from him. He has shown himself to be a decent guy as well. The problem is that as of late, he seems to have been slipping and it is a problem.

He seems to have a overwhelming desire to cement a notable place in history for himself. Start with he is an pretty arrogant individual and has been chomping at the bit for over a decade for a position of note. Of course in 2008 he had that chance and a combination of being an idiot in terms of his choices (VP among others), simply being a bit too out of touch with the pulse of the country and an opponent who was in a transformative position, he lost his chance at the big chair. So instead he has spent his time wondering about what could have been and as of late, has increasingly become something of the whip-meister for the GOP when they need a "get off my lawn" old man to yell at the kids across the street.

In Iraq, he felt it was to be his neoconservative swansong to beat down the scourge of radical Islam and prove to the world that America was right by god to rid the planet of those horrible people who speak funny and kneel down several times a day. Instead, Iraq turned out to be a bust, Afghanistan got fixed without his help and the black dude in the WH pinched OBL and somehow misplaced JMcC's phone number that night and never called for a consult. JMcC was left out in the cold devoid of the destiny he probably thought would earn him a place in the pantheon of Americans who saved the world once again.

So JMcC, seriously wants to gnash his teeth and get something going on in Iran at all costs because it is his one last best chance to fulfil his neocon vision of White, Christian, Might Is Right With Jesus At My Side vision of the world order where he has had influence. What makes this look so stupid is that he is not in charge, completely out of the loop when it comes to foreign policy and has been shown to be just plain childish in his approach to the entire region.

The thing about NeoConservatives is that they really believe they have an almost god given right to impose their will on the world. What more, when god is not good enough, they will go as far as speaking for god so as to align god's supposed teachings to match their ambitions. I know....sounds weird....and it is...but that really is about how it plays out. (I am sure there are others who could elaborate better btw). So with this manifest destiny firmly in hand, NeoCons roll forth with their agenda to dominate the world or blow up those parts that do not listen to them and fall into line.

And Iran is the perfect foil at this time to accomplish this task and create one's legacy. That is if one is the in the position to make that happen. Unfortunately for McCain, he is not in that position and I believe, it burns him up to no end. But that is why he has the hard-on for Iran.

If you want to learn more about why JMcC is what he is, this BBC documentary is a pretty good primer about neoconservatism (not JMcC specifically). It is long (3, one hour episodes) but worth the time if you have it. While a bit dated (2004 I believe) it still carries enough relevance to be worthwhile to watch.

The Power of Nightmares - 1 of 3
The Rise of the Politics of Fear - Baby It's Cold Outside - (youtube)

The Power of Nightmares - 2 of 3
The Rise of the Politics of Fear - The Phantom Victory - (youtube)

The Power of Nightmares - 3 of 3
The Rise of the Politics of Fear - The Shadows in the Cave - (youtube)
 
2013-01-31 11:41:17 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: From Netanyahu's mouth to Jennifer Rubin's ear


Skeet skeet skeet skeet skeet

Or the other way around. Either way.
 
2013-01-31 11:41:36 PM  

homelessdude: If you want to learn more about why JMcC is what he is


John survived 6 years in that Hanoi pit of hell and still thinks Vietnam and Iraq were just and noble wars.

That is really all you need to know about him.
 
2013-01-31 11:42:55 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Raoul Eaton: Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?

Yep.  Either that or you're in bed with Ahmadinejad and having breakfast with Guardian Council.  It's based on the malleability of the word "legitimate."  It works like this:   I would interpret the question whether Iran's government is "legitimate" as asking whether the Iranian government is generally recognized as representing the soveriegn state known as (the Islamic Republic of) Iran.  Since Iran is a member of the United Nations, the answer to that question is "yes."  Then Senator Derpitty Derp (R-Derp) pretends that "legitimate" is really only synonymous with "good," and shoves a bucketof tacks down my throat for being all lovey-dovey with the bunch of murderous tyrants that run Iran.

///agree they are a bunch of murderous tyrants
//don't like Congressional Republicans a whole lot better

Not to defend the inane obstructionism of the GOP, but on this point I think you're taking much too narrow a view of political legitimacy. There's a lot of ground between "Member of UN? Y/N" and "Super Good Guys? Y/N" and neither one of those is a particularly good criterion. Although one isn't necessarily wrong to say that the Iranian government is (in some sense) "legitimate," it also isn't outlandish to disagree with that or question it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)



I think it's crazy to look at a government that's been governing its people for over 30 years and not think it is legitimate. It's like our silly approach with Cuba. Pretending Cuba's commie government does not exist ignores the 50+ years of their government existing. We can want them to be removed from power, but debating legitimacy is a waste of time.
 
2013-01-31 11:45:31 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: TheDebbieDee: Doktor_Zhivago: TheDebbieDee: DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.

McCain's aircraft was next to the A-4 that got hit by the rocket not the one that launched it.
Not sure if serious....

Yes, I was serious. The story I read was that McCain, in a fit of impatient, uncontrolled rage, fired the thrusters/afterburners whatever (I'm completely unfamiliar with jet plane terminology) on his jet and ignited the jet behind his.

A rocket got fired accidentally by an F-4 (McCain flew the A-4) because the jackass in charge of the aircraft carrier decided to remove the safety pins that keep dangerous voltage surges from going to the weapons as the plane is switched from ship power to its own power, as a way of speeding up take offs and landings.  When the backup safety measure failed one of the rockets was launched from an F-4 into the wing mounted disposable fuel tank of an A-4 next to John McCain's aircraft.  The rocket did not detonate but the violent collision caused the fuel to ignite.  McCain actually tried to rescue another pilot before the bombs loaded onto their planes(which were WWII surplus and made from a very dangerous unstable explosive mix that **surprise** no one got told about) started bursting apart and exploding.

/dude may be an asshole politician but lets not start making things up.
//not sure when he gave up his gigantic brass balls to become a shiatty right wing cheerleader, it's sad.


I felt much the same about accusations that Bush 41 was a wimp. I was no fan of his, but he piloted a TBM Avenger to a heavily defended target, and completed his bomb run, resulting in damage to the TBM so severe that he had to ditch near the island. He narrowly escaped being captured by the Japanese, and was picked up by a U.S. submarine. Whatever he was, the elder Bush was not a wimp.
 
2013-01-31 11:51:53 PM  

NewportBarGuy: elessdude: If you want to learn more about why JMcC is what he is

John survived 6 years in that Hanoi pit of hell and still thinks Vietnam and Iraq were just and noble wars.

That is really all you need to know about him.


Your first sentence: Yes

Your second sentence: Yes and no. It does figure broadly into who he is, but the NeoCon ideology is not the same as it used to be just as the world in general is not. Today's NCs are almost Hyper-NeoCons in part due to them having more toys to be who they are. At the same time, the world has learned how to fight back better against the aggression with methods that were not in the playbook 50 years ago. You cannot look at McCain and just talk about 2 wars as a definition of who he is. There is so much more that has transpired since his time at the Hanoi Hilton or the issues surrounding Iraq.
 
2013-01-31 11:56:21 PM  
I love how the same shiat heads that said the Iraq war was so important to fight because of WMDs now think others made foolish decisions about the war.
 
2013-01-31 11:59:07 PM  
If I was Hagel "Yes Senator McCain, now how about we talk about YOUR positions on the Iraq war..."
 
2013-01-31 11:59:44 PM  

homelessdude: You cannot look at McCain and just talk about 2 wars as a definition of who he is.


I can and I do. He's a deluded old man. Both of those wars were mistakes and killed millions for absolutely no reason. His point about the surge... there was no point. We tactically neutralized major attacks, yes. The answer is yes. The problem is... The real question is : "why the f*ck were we in Iraq at all?!"

That answer... I'm still waiting for Launchpad McQuack to answer.

I'm glad he survived imprisonment. Good for him. He's still wrong about pretty much everything.
 
2013-02-01 12:04:44 AM  

Mistymtnhop: Can anyone please explain to me, in layman's terms why John McCain has such a hard on for Iran? I don't quite understand it.


McCain likes to blow thing he up. He thinks that is the solution to everything. Thank god he didn't become president we would probably have thousands more dead today in senseless wars.
 
2013-02-01 12:09:25 AM  

Corvus: If I was Hagel "Yes Senator McCain, now how about we talk about YOUR positions on the Iraq war..."


This is a job interview. You treat them like mushrooms: Keep them in the dark and feed them hot sh*t.

Trust me, if Hagel f*cks up the job, I'll be the first one on here to bash him. I know he won't. He's doing what you and I and everyone else did to get their job. Dance, dance, dance.
 
2013-02-01 12:10:10 AM  
You know, you Americans should stop calling it "defense" spending. Last I checked screwing up third world countries on the other side of the world doesn't count as defense.
 
2013-02-01 12:17:44 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I can and I do. He's a deluded old man. Both of those wars were mistakes and killed millions for absolutely no reason. His point about the surge... there was no point. We tactically neutralized major attacks, yes. The answer is yes. The problem is... The real question is : "why the f*ck were we in Iraq at all?!"

That answer... I'm still waiting for Launchpad McQuack to answer.

I'm glad he survived imprisonment. Good for him. He's still wrong about pretty much everything.


Ok...I hear ya and agree in principal. In the larger picture, after the countless lives that were lost (countless because certain people have chosen not to really give us a solid number, not because there was not a count), JMcC's neocon ideology is a rather irrelevant in comparison. The easy answer to "why the f*ck were we in Iraq at all?!" is that it fits nicely into certain peoples misguided belief that only the US can free people from their chains. At the same time, those same people have learned to monetize war quite well.

We are both beating the same bush from different sides really. And you are exactly right - He is a deluded old man and I would say he has been that way for a long time to boot. Now that he has aged, the veneer is wearing really thin and what happened today with Hagel, really showed him for what he is - a crusty dude with a chip on his shoulder that he feels is more important to deal with than the running of the country. Maybe not quite a McCarthy moment (where we saw how horrible he was), but there were overtones of how inane it all was.

If he was smart, he would retire gracefully....but that probably won't happen. I see a long road tour of political buffoonery for McCain and unfortunately, we (the public both in the US and world) are going to bear the brunt of his stupidity and arrogance..
 
2013-02-01 12:20:08 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Nadie_AZ: John McCain is a mean asshole.

ATTENTION Sarah Palin (and her teatard fan base):

What McCain was doing?  THAT is a fkn "gotcha" question.

/have you stop beating your wife, Senator?  YES or NO!!1!


According to someone I know who lived near the family when JM was married to his first wife, back then the answer was NO.
 
2013-02-01 12:21:53 AM  

Jormungandr: You know, you Americans should stop calling it "defense" spending. Last I checked screwing up third world countries on the other side of the world doesn't count as defense.


Wow that's one of the most amusing thing I have read on FARK for a very long time. Now THIS is how to be snarky!
 
2013-02-01 12:22:36 AM  

Jormungandr: You know, you Americans should stop calling it "defense" spending. Last I checked screwing up third world countries on the other side of the world doesn't count as defense.


Be careful what you say.....we Merkins have a way of figuring out who the real troublemakers are.
 
2013-02-01 12:33:23 AM  

beta_plus: Thrag: beta_plus: Oh poor little libbies, not only will they not be bringing  the potato salad to the next Mensa picnic, they won't get to stick their dick in the mashed potatoes of America's military like they fantasized.

Um, I don't know how to break this to you, and you might want to sit down while you hear this, but Hagel is a Republican.

Um, I don't know how to break this to you, but regardless this reflects badly on your Messiah.  In fact it makes it worse.


No, this looks badly on McCain and all the war mongers like him.
 
2013-02-01 12:49:29 AM  
If he had been nominated under Bush, you liberal ball washer would have been jumping up and down saying what a POS Hagel was.  But, since your liberal hero nominated him, well, he's a pretty decent fellow.

Here are the reasons,

#1.  He's a self made man
#2.  He is very rich
#3.  He was the CEO of an investment bank.
#4.  He sits on several boards, including ones that democrats hate worse than anything, an oil company (Chevron)
Last but not least
#5.  He's a republican

I know you won't admit it, but it doesn't make it any less true.
 
2013-02-01 01:06:14 AM  

CPennypacker: Republicans would attack Jesus if he shook Obama's hand

/they already ignore everything he said anyway


You may have meant that partly in jest, but that's more true than you know. Remember Van Duzer, the pizza shop owner who was boycotted for hugging Obama in a moment of gratitude? Obama was there to congratulate him on his fine charity work ― proceeds from his pizza business as well as charitable donations went to a wide variety of charitable causes in their area.

I posted about this on another forum at the time. Read the response from the people who claim to be Christian. Just read them ― they kept it up even after I warned them, using their own Bibles, that if their religion was in fact true, they were in deadly danger of damnation of their souls and of losing what salvation they ever had. And still they persisted!
 
2013-02-01 01:16:25 AM  

Hickory-smoked: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]




images3.wikia.nocookie.net
"Alert the men, Kiff... I'm about to do an immense amount of danger."
 
2013-02-01 01:23:57 AM  

Troy McClure: Not to defend the inane obstructionism of the GOP, but on this point I think you're taking much too narrow a view of political legitimacy. There's a lot of ground between "Member of UN? Y/N" and "Super Good Guys? Y/N" and neither one of those is a particularly good criterion. Although one isn't necessarily wrong to say that the Iranian government is (in some sense) "legitimate," it also isn't outlandish to disagree with that or question it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)


I think it's crazy to look at a government that's been governing its people for over 30 years and not think it is legitimate. It's like our silly approach with Cuba. Pretending Cuba's commie government does not exist ignores the 50+ years of their government existing. We can want them to be removed from power, but debating legitimacy is a waste of time.


It may be a waste of time to debate it, but dismissing a claim of illegitimacy because they've been in place for a long time isn't much better than dismissing a claim of legitimacy because they're jerks. Myanmar has been under the same management for about 50 years and I'd think there'd be a strong argument against that regime's legitimacy (prior to the recent reforms, at any rate).
 
2013-02-01 01:25:51 AM  

DeltaPunch: Hickory-smoked: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x647]
"Alert the men, Kiff... I'm about to do an immense amount of danger."


Outstanding
 
2013-02-01 01:26:52 AM  

WaffleStomper: ...your liberal hero...
Someone telling me what "I" think/believe is the Bat-signal, if the Bat-signal meant "stop reading this instant, this person has nothing of value to contribute."

 
2013-02-01 01:58:13 AM  
Mini threadjack- Its so nice to see some folks refer to the Culture, one of the best science fiction ever written, imho. That really made me smile

end mini threadjack

Orbital Class Hold my beer and watch this
 
2013-02-01 02:06:14 AM  
Left the following message in the comments. Don't expect an answer, at least not from the author:

Why in the world would a "long-time Capitol Hill Democrat" give you, of all people, a quote like that? Name your source, Ms. Rubin, or be prepared to be considered a liar.
 
2013-02-01 02:12:15 AM  

WaffleStomper: If he had been nominated under Bush, you liberal ball washer would have been jumping up and down saying what a POS Hagel was.  But, since your liberal hero nominated him, well, he's a pretty decent fellow.

Here are the reasons,

#1.  He's a self made man
#2.  He is very rich
#3.  He was the CEO of an investment bank.
#4.  He sits on several boards, including ones that democrats hate worse than anything, an oil company (Chevron)
Last but not least
#5.  He's a republican

I know you won't admit it, but it doesn't make it any less true.


So because you believe Democrats would have been partisan that allows Republicans to stab in the back a fellow Republican just because he is Obama's pick?

Nice "self responsibility" there. I THINK THEY WOULD HAVE DONE THE SAME THING SO IT"S OK IF I DO IT!!!
 
2013-02-01 02:24:19 AM  
From the real Washington Post report of the Hagel confirmation hearing:

Hagel faced relatively few nuanced questions about the Afghan war or terrorist threats. Afghanistan was mentioned just 27 times, and al-Qaeda only twice, while Israel got 178 mentions and Iran 169.

From those numbers alone, I would suspect that the hearing was 90% GOP grandstanding and 10% substance.
 
2013-02-01 02:32:56 AM  

WaffleStomper: If he had been nominated under Bush, you liberal ball washer would have been jumping up and down saying what a POS Hagel was.


and once again we have a republican who is outraged about what has happened in an alternative timeline.
 
2013-02-01 02:55:07 AM  

WaffleStomper: If he had been nominated under Bush, you liberal ball washer would have been jumping up and down saying what a POS Hagel was.  But, since your liberal hero nominated him, well, he's a pretty decent fellow.

Here are the reasons,

#1.  He's a self made man
#2.  He is very rich
#3.  He was the CEO of an investment bank.
#4.  He sits on several boards, including ones that democrats hate worse than anything, an oil company (Chevron)
Last but not least
#5.  He's a republican

I know you won't admit it, but it doesn't make it any less true.


You've almost described my old boss, BillG, one of the richest men in the world. Am I supposed to hate him too, in your black and white world?
 
2013-02-01 03:01:19 AM  

WaffleStomper: If he had been nominated under Bush, you liberal ball washer would have been jumping up and down saying what a POS Hagel was.  But, since your liberal hero nominated him, well, he's a pretty decent fellow.

Here are the reasons,

#1.  He's a self made man
#2.  He is very rich
#3.  He was the CEO of an investment bank.
#4.  He sits on several boards, including ones that democrats hate worse than anything, an oil company (Chevron)
Last but not least
#5.  He's a republican

I know you won't admit it, but it doesn't make it any less true.


You left out the fact that he is a Combat wounded Vet.
Im am fairly on the left, but, I want the guy in chgarge of Defense of the country to have a good damn idea what those folks go through, from a personal perspective. IDC what party he is from.
Tool.
 
2013-02-01 03:18:03 AM  
Obama will just nominate whoever the GOP tells him to nominate.

- GOP: "Nominate John Kerry for SecState instead of Susan Rice."
-  Obama: "Yes, master."

-  GOP: "Nominate Chucky Hagel for SecDef instead of John Kerry."
-  Obama: "Yes, master."


It must be nice to have mind control over the president of the United States.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few days John Boener and Mitch McConnell come out and tell Obama to replace Chuck Hagel's nomination with Ted Nugent and have Obama immediately comply.

President Barack Obama: house negro of the GOP
 
2013-02-01 03:31:26 AM  
Chuck Hagel has publicly stated that starting a war with Iraq in 2003 was as catastrophic a mistake as Vietnam. That alone would earn him my support.
 
2013-02-01 03:35:28 AM  

alienated: WaffleStomper: If he had been nominated under Bush, you liberal ball washer would have been jumping up and down saying what a POS Hagel was.  But, since your liberal hero nominated him, well, he's a pretty decent fellow.

Here are the reasons,

#1.  He's a self made man
#2.  He is very rich
#3.  He was the CEO of an investment bank.
#4.  He sits on several boards, including ones that democrats hate worse than anything, an oil company (Chevron)
Last but not least
#5.  He's a republican

I know you won't admit it, but it doesn't make it any less true.

You left out the fact that he is a Combat wounded Vet.
Im am fairly on the left, but, I want the guy in chgarge of Defense of the country to have a good damn idea what those folks go through, from a personal perspective. IDC what party he is from.
Tool.


Your argument is invalid.
fcw.com
 
2013-02-01 03:53:25 AM  

Serious Black: Chuck Hagel has publicly stated that starting a war with Iraq in 2003 was as catastrophic a mistake as Vietnam. That alone would earn him my support.


I heard a clip of him and Sen. McCain going at it.. Hagel seemed to have trouble admitting that in front of him.  Well, specifically admitting that the Surge was a mistake.
 
2013-02-01 04:16:00 AM  

Alphax: Serious Black: Chuck Hagel has publicly stated that starting a war with Iraq in 2003 was as catastrophic a mistake as Vietnam. That alone would earn him my support.

I heard a clip of him and Sen. McCain going at it.. Hagel seemed to have trouble admitting that in front of him.  Well, specifically admitting that the Surge was a mistake.


There's a difference between getting into the war in the first place and deploying an additional 30,000 troops once we've already been at war for four or five years. The latter is very debatable, and John McCain pretending it isn't makes a mockery of just how difficult counterinsurgency and nation building are. It's also dependent on whether you're asking that question based on the information we had at the time or based on what we know now.

As for whether OIF was a good idea, if you still think that, there is nothing I could say or do that would even begin to change your mind, and you are a warmonger hellbent on extending the American Empire around the globe by any means necessary. Period.
 
2013-02-01 04:23:28 AM  

Hickory-smoked: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]


That is an awesome illustration of Larry Niven's Ringworld.  I keep hoping someone will get off their ass and making a miniseries, movie or TV show from it.  At least an adult cartoon, like by Warner Brothers.
 
2013-02-01 04:28:10 AM  

John Henry Eden: - GOP: "Nominate John Kerry for SecState instead of Susan Rice."
- Obama: "Yes, master."

- GOP: "Nominate Chucky Hagel for SecDef instead of John Kerry."
- Obama: "Yes, master."


so you're saying the GOP wanted Kerry, but just in a different Cabinet post?
 
2013-02-01 05:05:55 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: TheDebbieDee: DIAF, John "Five Planes" McCain, just DIAF!

DIAF that is as hot as the one you started on the USS Forrestal that killed and maimed dozens of Navy shipmen.

McCain's aircraft was next to the A-4 that got hit by the rocket not the one that launched it.
Not sure if serious....


FTFY
 
2013-02-01 05:39:28 AM  
  Jennifer Rubin is an American neo-conservative columnist and a blogger for the Washington Post. Previously she worked at Commentary Magazine, the Pajamas Media, Human Events, and the Weekly Standard.

She also once spent a month impersonating Mark Knopfler in order to convince Eric Clapton that she was Edward James Olmos with a stolen Sylvia Plath mask.
 
2013-02-01 05:40:47 AM  
rightweb.irc-online.org  Jennifer Rubin is an American neo-conservative columnist and a blogger for the Washington Post. Previously she worked at Commentary Magazine, the Pajamas Media, Human Events, and the Weekly Standard.

She also once spent a month impersonating Mark Knopfler in order to convince Eric Clapton that she was Edward James Olmos with a stolen Sylvia Plath mask.
 
2013-02-01 05:42:57 AM  

thamike: She also once spent a month impersonating Mark Knopfler in order to convince Eric Clapton that she was Edward James Olmos with a stolen Sylvia Plath mask.


you magnificent bastard
 
2013-02-01 05:58:36 AM  

log_jammin: thamike: She also once spent a month impersonating Mark Knopfler in order to convince Eric Clapton that she was Edward James Olmos with a stolen Sylvia Plath mask.

you magnificent bastard


Spoiler alert:  She's also Dexter's brother.
 
2013-02-01 06:25:30 AM  
Name a senator who isn't intimidated by AIPAC. Name a senator who hasn't done a dumb thing.
 
2013-02-01 06:36:49 AM  
Heh... That's rich coming from a dumbass like Rubin.

I'm not a huge fan of Hagel, and he stumbled a bit, but, my god, this Rubin woman is such a shameless partisan shill, I'm embarrassed for her every time I read one of her "articles".
 
2013-02-01 06:42:22 AM  

keylock71: t, but, my god, this Rubin woman is such a shameless partisan shill,


I have always felt that JR was angling for a position in a Romney administration and focused all her efforts (and that of the Washington Post) to make sure that happened.

Just one small part of her cunning plan was flawed. It depended on.........?
 
2013-02-01 07:04:34 AM  

Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?


Yeah... Not only that, why are they asking this guy foreign policy questions? Shouldn't they be addressed to Kerry?
 
2013-02-01 07:08:39 AM  

InmanRoshi: Nine farking hours of watching a man being nominated to US Secretary of Defense have to explain why he wouldn't just drop down to his knees and suck the cawk of Israel when called.  Watching this display reminds me is the sheer jaw dropping exhibition of power Israel has over the US government.  I's farking frightening that a self believed sovreign nation and world's lone superpower could be so utterly wrapped around the little finger of another nation like this.


Why don't the Republicans drop the schrade and just give the Israeli Ministry of Defense direct control of DOD. Make them a branch of the State Department while they're at it, with Seldon Adleston as Director.
 
2013-02-01 07:21:57 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.


Sounds like you goose-steppers would be singing his praises if george w. bush had nominated hiim.

img267.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-01 07:31:10 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I never really realized what a vapid partisan hack Jennifer Rubin is.


Really?
 
2013-02-01 08:12:28 AM  
Worst sod ever!
 
2013-02-01 09:19:49 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: I never really realized what a vapid partisan hack Jennifer Rubin is.


Thanks a lot. You broke my sarcasm meter.
 
2013-02-01 09:27:12 AM  

DeltaPunch: Hickory-smoked: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x647]
"Alert the men, Kiff... I'm about to do an immense amount of danger."


This thread is now officially epic.
 
2013-02-01 09:27:49 AM  

Uranus Is Huge!: jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.

Cry moar.


I'm having a hard time not loving everything about this.  I'm not a huge fan of Hagel.  He's hardly a Jimmy Carter with an R, and voted lockstep with Republicans through the Bush years.  I think he recently scooted towards Obama (or stays still while Obama scooted towards him... hard to tell these days), but all in all... very "shmeh" candidate.

As such, I don't really care if he is absolutely *eviscerated*.  It could happen to some more deserving people, but I'm not exactly losing sleep over it.  Meanwhile, watching republicans tear a loyal republican to pieces for daring to have his name besmirched by a nomination by a democratic president?  Priceless.  What message does *THAT* send to the GOP rank and file?

Even if you fall in line, do everything the way we say to do it, vote the way we want you to, and do good committee work for us, we won't hesitate to destroy you for being recognized by that ... that... DEMOCRAT!

Why would an aspiring politician want to join that party?
 
2013-02-01 09:43:13 AM  

BeesNuts: Why would an aspiring politician want to join that party?


They have all of the good parking spaces?
 
2013-02-01 09:49:14 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: BeesNuts: Why would an aspiring politician want to join that party?

They have all of the good parking spaces?


Well at least that explains Chris Christie.

/hiyo!
//he's fat.
 
2013-02-01 10:06:12 AM  
More rape talk from a republican. If a woman gets her mensa, then the rape didn't impregnate her. No harm, no foul.
 
2013-02-01 10:37:15 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: It's funny how you liberals will defend a republican as long as he is basically Jimmy Carter with an R before his name. The moron is a democrat who ran as a republican in order to win a seat from democrats who were even dumber than he was.
His Iranian ass kissing is unacceptable, but keep on sucking up. You realize he is against women's' rights, homosexuality, etc...
You know, everything liberals stand for.


Elections have consequences. Maybe you guys should win more elections.
 
2013-02-01 11:07:48 AM  
Ostensibly McCain has potato duty.
and... anybody else wanted to punch Lindsey Graham in the face?
 
2013-02-01 11:20:33 AM  

NateGrey: Elections have consequences. Maybe you guys should win more elections.


They're working on it.  Voter suppression efforts don't implement themselves.
 
2013-02-01 11:25:45 AM  

Glockenspiel Hero: fusillade762: namatad: Hickory-smoked: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: FTFA: "Sen. Deb Fischer (R-Neb.) did an immense amount of danger"

I'm going to use this for all my drunken shouting needs. It'll sound awesome.

I AM DOING AN IMMENSE AMOUNT OF DANGER!

That would also be an acceptable name for a  General Offensive Unit from Culture.
[www.centauri-dreams.org image 300x197]

nice reference

Seconded.

/Falling Outside The Normal Moral Constraints

Thirded:  I always preferred "Now Look What You Made Me Do" and "Killing Time" for ship names, but I have to admit that the FOtNMC had the best avatar



Mine would be, "Just The Tip"
 
2013-02-01 11:28:15 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Raoul Eaton: Troy McClure: Wait a second...  So saying the government of Iran is legitimate is something that has to be denied?

WTF?

Yep.  Either that or you're in bed with Ahmadinejad and having breakfast with Guardian Council.  It's based on the malleability of the word "legitimate."  It works like this:   I would interpret the question whether Iran's government is "legitimate" as asking whether the Iranian government is generally recognized as representing the soveriegn state known as (the Islamic Republic of) Iran.  Since Iran is a member of the United Nations, the answer to that question is "yes."  Then Senator Derpitty Derp (R-Derp) pretends that "legitimate" is really only synonymous with "good," and shoves a bucket of tacks down my throat for being all lovey-dovey with the bunch of murderous tyrants that run Iran.

///agree they are a bunch of murderous tyrants
//don't like Congressional Republicans a whole lot better

Not to defend the inane obstructionism of the GOP, but on this point I think you're taking much too narrow a view of political legitimacy. There's a lot of ground between "Member of UN? Y/N" and "Super Good Guys? Y/N" and neither one of those is a particularly good criterion. Although one isn't necessarily wrong to say that the Iranian government is (in some sense) "legitimate," it also isn't outlandish to disagree with that or question it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)


You are absolutely right.  You are also being thoughtful and reasonable about the topic.  I was pointing out the ways in which demagogues manipulated the terminology in a way that is not reasonable, which is a very different thing.
 
2013-02-01 11:37:49 AM  

NewportBarGuy: homelessdude: If you want to learn more about why JMcC is what he is

John survived 6 years in that Hanoi pit of hell and still thinks Vietnam and Iraq were just and noble wars.

That is really all you need to know about him.




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2013-02-01 11:45:03 AM  

Jormungandr: You know, you Americans should stop calling it "defense" spending. Last I checked screwing up third world countries on the other side of the world doesn't count as defense.


Oh god, the canucks always get their underoos in a twist.
Go blow a beaver.
 
2013-02-01 12:45:07 PM  

Maud Dib: Jormungandr: You know, you Americans should stop calling it "defense" spending. Last I checked screwing up third world countries on the other side of the world doesn't count as defense.

Oh god, the canucks always get their underoos in a twist.
Go blow a beaver.


I'm Canadian and I support the Americans blowing shiat up as long as it isn't us.
 
2013-02-01 02:00:48 PM  
I miss McCain 2000.  He was awesome before the neocons got him.  Now he's just a sad, pathetic, old shell of a man.  I left the Republican party because of what Rove did to him in South Carolina, as well as the shenanigans after 9/11.

And now look at him.  Its a damned shame, he used to be one of the few non-partisan voices in the senate.  God, the modern Republican party is awful...
 
2013-02-01 04:17:20 PM  

mrshowrules: Maud Dib: Jormungandr: You know, you Americans should stop calling it "defense" spending. Last I checked screwing up third world countries on the other side of the world doesn't count as defense.

Oh god, the canucks always get their underoos in a twist.
Go blow a beaver.

I'm Canadian and I support the Americans blowing shiat up as long as it isn't us.


Especially when they fly farking airplanes into got-damn buildings.
I didn't agree with invading Iraq. Totally supported Afghanistan. And now that Osama sleeps with the fishes, we should train the local forces then GTFO.
 
2013-02-01 05:09:32 PM  
Lindsey Graham is still not going to sleep with you, Jennifer.
 
2013-02-01 05:34:32 PM  

cc_rider: Lindsey Graham is still not going to sleep with you, Jennifer.


media.washingtonpost.com

"Can we just cuddle?"

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