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(My Fox Memphis)   And for today's school shooting we have... Atlanta. 14-year old in hospital with gunshot wound to the head, one faculty member injured   (myfoxmemphis.com ) divider line
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2013-01-31 03:19:56 PM  
5 votes:

ox45tallboy: With only two victims, I guess we don't have to reset the "mass shooting" clock.


If only we could find the particle that gives shootings mass.
2013-01-31 05:54:15 PM  
4 votes:
1478 since Sandy Hook.

Also, did you know that 40% of felons obtained their guns at gun shows where there are often no background checks? You are Soft on Crime if you don't support changing the law to change this.
2013-01-31 05:57:55 PM  
3 votes:

jchic: EatenTheSun: jchic: AdolfOliverPanties: ox45tallboy: I'm not in favor of gun control, but this is just getting ridiculous. Is there any solution out there which:

1.) Doesn't force everyone to hand in all of their guns
2.) Doesn't put kids further at risk by putting more guns in schools

and

3.) At least lowers the frequency and number of victims of gun violence.

I know there is no magic solution which will eliminate it, but how can we at least reduce it enough so that I'm not tempted to make jokes about a 14-year-old kid fighting for his life after being shot in the head while at school, exactly where he's supposed to be?

Not if you're not in favor of gun control.  That shiat needs to be heavily regulated.  Background checks and attention toward mental health are a necessity.

It won't stop these things from happening, but it could dramatically lower their frequency.

Or at least regulate guns at least as much as you do cars.  Licenses and insurance.

How exactly do you think that would stop things like this from happening?

Never said it would.  But then again how many automobile fatalities have been prevented by having operators restricted/licensed?  You can't say that X or Y would have prevented Z but you can decide that an item whose sole purpose is to destroy should be at least as regulated as many other items in our daily lives.


Why don't you come out to Los Angeles.

You're quite likely to get in an accident with an unlicensed illegal, who usually takes off after the accident so he won't get arrested for being unlicensed and uninsured.

They're deliberately doing something illegal.

As for guns, the cat is out of the bag.  Several more cats will be coming out of the same bag as 3D CNC machining picks up.  Anyone and everyone will be able to print weapons.  Go look around the Internet for plans to the AR-15 and AK-47.  They're out there.  I've seen them.  If you have a copy of the file, you can make one.

If you're upset about violence, well, me too.  But I'm not going to chase my tail with feelgood nonsense that makes no difference at all.

This is a mental health and celebrity issue.  Mental health needs lots and lots and lots of funding.  Second, the press has to be restrained from playing up the celebrity angle.  When they go into 24 hour coverage and turn the shooter into a celebrity, it encourages others.  How many school shooters can you name?  How many victims can you name?  Exactly.
2013-01-31 03:32:01 PM  
3 votes:

Relatively Obscure: Plus it's not very catchy.


There's a 14-year old kid in the hospital with a gunshot wound to the head, and probably a couple of very distraught parents or other family members, and I'm considering making a joke about it because I'm becoming so jaded.

I'm not in favor of gun control, but this is just getting ridiculous. Is there any solution out there which:

1.) Doesn't force everyone to hand in all of their guns
2.) Doesn't put kids further at risk by putting more guns in schools

and

3.) At least lowers the frequency and number of victims of gun violence.

I know there is no magic solution which will eliminate it, but how can we at least reduce it enough so that I'm not tempted to make jokes about a 14-year-old kid fighting for his life after being shot in the head while at school, exactly where he's supposed to be?
2013-01-31 08:49:24 PM  
2 votes:

jchic: EatenTheSun: jchic: AdolfOliverPanties: ox45tallboy: I'm not in favor of gun control, but this is just getting ridiculous. Is there any solution out there which:

1.) Doesn't force everyone to hand in all of their guns
2.) Doesn't put kids further at risk by putting more guns in schools

and

3.) At least lowers the frequency and number of victims of gun violence.

I know there is no magic solution which will eliminate it, but how can we at least reduce it enough so that I'm not tempted to make jokes about a 14-year-old kid fighting for his life after being shot in the head while at school, exactly where he's supposed to be?

Not if you're not in favor of gun control.  That shiat needs to be heavily regulated.  Background checks and attention toward mental health are a necessity.

It won't stop these things from happening, but it could dramatically lower their frequency.

Or at least regulate guns at least as much as you do cars.  Licenses and insurance.

How exactly do you think that would stop things like this from happening?

Never said it would.  But then again how many automobile fatalities have been prevented by having operators restricted/licensed?  You can't say that X or Y would have prevented Z but you can decide that an item whose sole purpose is to destroy should be at least as regulated as many other items in our daily lives.


You make it sound like guns actually played a role in choosing their own targets.

The sole purpose of a gun is a controlled environment in which the resultant energy of combustion can be controlled and focused on a projectile and guide that projectile in a repeated direction.  It is the initiator of that combustion that decides upon the type of target and must, through a combination of sight and skill, orchestrate the direction in which the projectile is to take.

Hammers are tools designed to drive a nail as efficiently using available force, guns are a tool who's function is to direct a projectile using the energy of combustion.  How these tools are used and whether these tools are used properly is a decision belonging strictly to the user of these tools.
2013-01-31 06:12:33 PM  
2 votes:
AdolfOliverPanties

We need to arm all students.
Wow, 3 whole posts before this tired old hyperbole.

Gunowner say: Right to Keep and Bear arms
Hoplophobes Claim we said: You want to own Nuclear weapons!

Gunowner say: Arm guards or trained rational adults to protect schools
Hoplophobes Claim we said: Hand kindergardeners S&W 500's
**bonus points for this one as FARK Hypocrites (aka leftists) bashed the NRA when they called for it, yet ~4 days later when obmessiah called for it they fell to their knees in worship.**
2013-01-31 06:04:18 PM  
2 votes:

ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: Plus it's not very catchy.

There's a 14-year old kid in the hospital with a gunshot wound to the head, and probably a couple of very distraught parents or other family members, and I'm considering making a joke about it because I'm becoming so jaded.

I'm not in favor of gun control, but this is just getting ridiculous. Is there any solution out there which:

1.) Doesn't force everyone to hand in all of their guns
2.) Doesn't put kids further at risk by putting more guns in schools

and

3.) At least lowers the frequency and number of victims of gun violence.

I know there is no magic solution which will eliminate it, but how can we at least reduce it enough so that I'm not tempted to make jokes about a 14-year-old kid fighting for his life after being shot in the head while at school, exactly where he's supposed to be?


Not going to touch the gun control part, but there is the social and psychological reasons. Giving these shootings less press coverage and media frenzy would be a great step to prevent kids from getting the idea shooting someone in the way to glory/fame/infamy/etc.
2013-01-31 06:02:12 PM  
2 votes:
These shootings were happening all along, they just get news coverage now because of the general level of public outrage.
2013-01-31 05:57:29 PM  
2 votes:

The_Sponge: theorellior: At this point I just sit back and listen the increasingly shrill cries from the gun nuts out there about this God-given right to go on shooting rampages.

-10/10


More proof that gun nuts, are in, fact, nuts. Who have guns.
2013-01-31 05:56:49 PM  
2 votes:
We should definitely arm teachers, because they are incompetent in every way. So we should trust them with guns. Cut their pay, though, because they don't deserve to be rich of us taxpayers.
2013-01-31 05:52:31 PM  
2 votes:
At this point I just sit back and listen the increasingly shrill cries from the gun nuts out there about this God-given right to go on shooting rampages.
2013-01-31 05:42:31 PM  
2 votes:

whidbey: I think all gun threads at Fark should have to suddenly terminate after a 100 comment limit.


No one reads any farther than that, they just skip ahead until their comment posts and start reading there.
2013-01-31 05:36:48 PM  
2 votes:
I think all gun threads at Fark should have to suddenly terminate after a 100 comment limit.
2013-01-31 03:54:09 PM  
2 votes:

ox45tallboy: I'm not in favor of gun control, but this is just getting ridiculous. Is there any solution out there which:

1.) Doesn't force everyone to hand in all of their guns
2.) Doesn't put kids further at risk by putting more guns in schools

and

3.) At least lowers the frequency and number of victims of gun violence.

I know there is no magic solution which will eliminate it, but how can we at least reduce it enough so that I'm not tempted to make jokes about a 14-year-old kid fighting for his life after being shot in the head while at school, exactly where he's supposed to be?


Not if you're not in favor of gun control.  That shiat needs to be heavily regulated.  Background checks and attention toward mental health are a necessity.

It won't stop these things from happening, but it could dramatically lower their frequency.
2013-01-31 03:26:02 PM  
2 votes:
We should just ban schools.
2013-02-01 08:15:25 AM  
1 vote:

Aussie_As: My point, and no one seems to be disputing it, is that to say such a thing to an American gun owner is heresy. They won't hear of it. It's simply un-American. So there's no point trying to argue it. Perhaps there is a point, however, to thinking about how harm can be minimised if Americans are refusing to give up their guns. My thought is that it's worth trying the theory that allowing armed guards or teachers in schools and allowing concealed weapons in areas where they are currently restricted may help. Because the status quo certainly isn't helping.


It helps to understand that Australia's population is concentrated in mostly urban areas, while the United States has vast rural areas and frontiers. The divide is mostly rural vs. urban.

People who grew up and live in rural areas see guns as part of everyday tools. They have to deal with animals that can eat them, like bears and wolves, and a call to law enforcement might take an hour or more to arrive.

People in urban areas associate guns with robbery, gang activity -- as weapons solely to intimidate and commit crimes.
2013-02-01 07:20:26 AM  
1 vote:

Abacus9: A psychologist could see through it if the person had problems and just hadn't acted on them yet.


Bullshiat. People study psychology to solve their own problems. It's not a predictive science. It's reactive and statistical. Psychologists would get positive job reviews for the number of people they labeled unfit, regardless of the accuracy in doing so.
2013-02-01 12:44:08 AM  
1 vote:

Amos Quito: abhorrent1: Was an assault rifle used? If no, it's not news worthy.

^ THIS ^


abhorrent1: Was an assault rifle used? If no, it's not news worthy.

^ THIS ^


abhorrent1: Was an assault rifle used? If no, it's not news worthy.

^ THIS ^


abhorrent1: Was an assault rifle used? If no, it's not news worthy.

^ THIS ^


Hell, if you're gonna wait for an "Assault Rifle" to be used in a school shooting, you're might have to wait another year or two before that happens again.  Seriously!
What you're supposed to do is be outraged at every other shooting that happens and then demand that "Assault Rifles" are banned.
2013-01-31 11:27:24 PM  
1 vote:

Mike Chewbacca: craig328: Mike Chewbacca: Securitywyrm: Because licenses and insurance have done so much to stop the unlicensed and uninsured drivers out there that there isn't a specific line on all auto insurance forms for 'uninsured driver.'

Funny thing about that.

Last summer some dumb biatch made a left turn out of a parking lot right in front of me. I didn't have time to stop, and I hit her. My car was totalled, her car was damaged enough that it was pouring gasoline everywhere. I had a severely sprained ankle with an avulsion fracture. Turns out, the lady didn't have insurance. She got a $277 ticket for failing to yield the right of way and a $500 ticket for driving without insurance. She's also going to lose her license for three years because of Washington's Financial Responsibility Law (my insurer is suing her to recover the money they paid out to me through my uninsured motorist insurance). So because this driver was irresponsible and a) caused an accident and b) was uninsured, she's losing her driver's license for 3 years, and when she DOES finally get a car again, she'll be paying out the nose for auto insurance. There's not reason whatsoever that there shouldn't be a similar penalty for gun owners who are negligent.

So...when she hit you she was driving without insurance.  But you believe that since her license was suspended that she:

A/ Won't drive now.

B/ Will buy insurance and have to pay a lot for it when she gets her license back.

You don't see the disconnect there between people who abide by the laws and those who don't?  If so, your example was a poor one.

I don't know of a single state that allows a driver to get a license and vehicle without providing proof of insurance. Also, if driving without insurance hadn't been illegal, she'd have walked away without the additional $500 and the loss of her license for 3 years. These laws help deter unwanted behavior, and they also provide the law a way to punish people who do shiat like what that lady did.


You do know it's possible to buy insurance- provide "proof" long enough to register your vehicle and then cancel your insurance.

Laws do not prevent crime from happening- they merely define the crime once it has happened.  Only having good moral sense (knowing right from wrong) prevents crime.  Committing an act involving a weapon is not necessarily a crime however law defines which acts are legal and which ones are not (target shooting vs. hitting a liquor store).  Having a sense of right or wrong guides the user of a tool and determines whether that tool becomes a weapon or not.

Suggestion:  re-teaching the value of human life, the value of others vs our own property, etc.  Identifying individuals that are unable to grasp the basics of these concepts.  Mental health issues.

Creating more law is big business for legal beaurocracy, gives us lots of new definitions, but does little in the way of prevention.
2013-01-31 10:59:04 PM  
1 vote:

pedrop357: cegorach: Actually, you might want to check those statistics, especially the part about ' except for high rate of things like rape, etc. '.

But yes, very few mass shootings prior to the 'emotionally charged gun crusade'. Why? Because Australian gun owners are people who NEED them - ie farmers living in the outback- as opposed to pasty middle class suburbanites who get a kick out of wielding a killing weapon.

And following said gun 'crusade', considerably fewer mass shootings.

Is this meant to be a bad thing?

Because as an Australian who has no fear of being shot or raped and only a small fear of violent hand to hand assault in a very few well known locales, I don't see it as a bad thing.

I don't need the psychological security blanket of a killing weapon to make it through my day, unlike a significant percentage of Americans who choose to live with that fear.

Cute.

I notice you completely ignored the fact that New Zealand has had a similar drop in crime and non-mass killings, yet much less gun control

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime


Oh no, I am well aware of that. NZ has a considerably more progressively-oriented society than Australia and a much lower uptake of US cultural and political viewpoints, as well as a different rural situation with fewer depressed farmers and a different urban landscape with fewer imported organised crime families, so it's hardly surprising. I am unsure how that makes gun control in Australia a bad thing and a worse thing in the United States of Freedom?

FYI, before you post links, check your source as it has major issues (amongst which is that 'Wikipedia' is a primary source of its stats).

eg.
The ranking of "Bribe payers index by country" is upside-down.
A consequence is that on the "Australia" stats page, Australia is marked as 2nd on the list.
2013-01-31 10:48:30 PM  
1 vote:

whidbey: I don't think we can afford to be so cavalier about it anymore.


Why not?

That's why I'm asking about alcohol. Why has there been a line crossed with guns at 30,000 deaths/year (including the suicides, which are close to 2/3 of that total), but nobody is worried about something like alcohol, which also kills non-participants and participants alike at much greater numbers?
2013-01-31 08:42:16 PM  
1 vote:
Just wanted to point out that so far the anti gun folks have proposed

Background checks that crime stats show would not address the issue
Background checks that would not have prevented these shootings
Technological answers that they admit do not exist

Yet have refused to address the actual issue (mental health) and chosen to go after a symptom rather than looking for a cure.
2013-01-31 07:13:58 PM  
1 vote:
We should make a law where it's illegal to have a gun at school.  That'll fix it.
2013-01-31 06:59:11 PM  
1 vote:

atomicmask: I really do not think this is a gun issue, and I am starting to even wonder if its a mental health issue..

I think the counter to this is nothing more then more death. A good plague has not swept threw our culture in a long ass time, so at the moment, we are packed like rats on top of one another going ape shiat and fighting for a tiny little spot of peace in a world full of everyone trying to decide everyone elses business. Maybe if that happened, we could all get breathing room and not go nuthouse on the ones of us left alive.


Maybe this is the new plague?
2013-01-31 06:55:54 PM  
1 vote:
DYK:

17 states of 50 regulate private firearm sales at gun shows
Only 7 require background checks on all gun sales.

No background check, no guns. Simple, effective protection of YOUR family and keeping weapons out of the hands of felons.
2013-01-31 06:52:32 PM  
1 vote:

Princess Ryans Knickers: So you don't deny that 40% had no background checks and that by refusing to close this loophole that you are helping to arm gangsters?


1) Nice goalpost moving

2) How do you close it? I sincerely doubt criminals are just going to say "I'm willing to commit the crimes of buying while being a felon (plus whatever other crime I was going to commit with the gun), but ignoring a background check? I'm not going there. I'm a felon, not the devil."
2013-01-31 06:45:23 PM  
1 vote:

Princess Ryans Knickers: OnlyM3: Princess Ryans Knickers

1478 since Sandy Hook.

Also, did you know that 40% of felons obtained their guns at gun shows where there are often no background checks?
You need to phone in for new talking points. That lie was debunked weeks ago.
// not that the left has ever let little things like facts get in the way of their deranged ramblings.

Debunked how? Care to point to some actual facts? The 40% comes from the FBI which you can easily find on Google.


Lie.

The 40% falsehood is from a single poorly-conducted survey from before background checks were even in place under the Brady Act.  It included transactions between immediate family members, dealers buying from the public and from other dealers, and several other situations that can only be construed as "loopholes" with extraordinary intellectual dishonesty.

The actual figure for the type of transactions you're trying to represent is significantly less than 10%.

But I know you're not concerned with the whole "facts" thing... just emotions.  Like panic and fear.
2013-01-31 06:36:02 PM  
1 vote:
Maybe we should start using the Obvious tag for stories about shootings. Or Repeat.
2013-01-31 06:35:36 PM  
1 vote:

ItchyMcDoogle: I wonder if this the plan: Flood streets with guns, shootings just about every day, so therefore it always be too soon to talk about gun control


Not really. Gun violence is going down, and has been for a long time. Reporting, however, has gone up.
2013-01-31 06:07:02 PM  
1 vote:

whidbey: iheartscotch: Seriously! Stop reporting this shiat! It just spawns copycats.

Also; can we admit that guns are inanimate objects that wouldn't function without people?

It isn't a gun control issue; it's a PEOPLE control issue. Until you can ensure that everyone aren't going to become murderous sociopaths; you're just ignoring the actual issue

Yeah buh-buh I don't want Obummer to raise my taxes any more. Welfare DEADBEATS.
HURRR.


Ah I see; banana, wildebeest, snorkel. Does that clear up my position?

/ see? I can type random stuff too
2013-01-31 06:06:08 PM  
1 vote:
Take the time to go over Google's archived newspapers.  You'll see this has been going on for decades, except now, the media has an interest in creating outrage.

The same way they tried to create mass hysteria/ outrage with

SARS
H1N1
Mad Cow
AIDS
The 1%

etc

They always troll, because it works every damn time.
2013-01-31 06:05:44 PM  
1 vote:
Because gun free disarmed victim zones work
2013-01-31 06:04:14 PM  
1 vote:

grxymkjbn: Gun fetishists agree:  More guns = more safety.  Therefore, infinite number of guns = infinite amount of safety.

MORE GUNS - unless you HATE SAFETY!


An armed school is a polite school.
2013-01-31 06:02:19 PM  
1 vote:

iheartscotch: Seriously! Stop reporting this shiat! It just spawns copycats.


And here comes the Blame The Media crowd.....
2013-01-31 06:00:02 PM  
1 vote:

iheartscotch: Seriously! Stop reporting this shiat! It just spawns copycats.

Also; can we admit that guns are inanimate objects that wouldn't function without people?

It isn't a gun control issue; it's a PEOPLE control issue. Until you can ensure that everyone aren't going to become murderous sociopaths; you're just ignoring the actual issue


You sound like you want to arm criminals and terrorists... why do you hate Family Values and want to be Soft on Crime?
2013-01-31 05:59:16 PM  
1 vote:
Seriously! Stop reporting this shiat! It just spawns copycats.

Also; can we admit that guns are inanimate objects that wouldn't function without people?

It isn't a gun control issue; it's a PEOPLE control issue. Until you can ensure that everyone aren't going to become murderous sociopaths; you're just ignoring the actual issue
2013-01-31 05:56:12 PM  
1 vote:

theorellior: At this point I just sit back and listen the increasingly shrill cries from the gun nuts out there about this God-given right to go on shooting rampages.


-10/10
2013-01-31 04:59:07 PM  
1 vote:

EatenTheSun: jchic: AdolfOliverPanties: ox45tallboy: I'm not in favor of gun control, but this is just getting ridiculous. Is there any solution out there which:

1.) Doesn't force everyone to hand in all of their guns
2.) Doesn't put kids further at risk by putting more guns in schools

and

3.) At least lowers the frequency and number of victims of gun violence.

I know there is no magic solution which will eliminate it, but how can we at least reduce it enough so that I'm not tempted to make jokes about a 14-year-old kid fighting for his life after being shot in the head while at school, exactly where he's supposed to be?

Not if you're not in favor of gun control.  That shiat needs to be heavily regulated.  Background checks and attention toward mental health are a necessity.

It won't stop these things from happening, but it could dramatically lower their frequency.

Or at least regulate guns at least as much as you do cars.  Licenses and insurance.

How exactly do you think that would stop things like this from happening?


Never said it would.  But then again how many automobile fatalities have been prevented by having operators restricted/licensed?  You can't say that X or Y would have prevented Z but you can decide that an item whose sole purpose is to destroy should be at least as regulated as many other items in our daily lives.
2013-01-31 03:44:03 PM  
1 vote:

wxboy: If only prayer were allowed in public schools...


Jesus would have used an AR-15 instead of an AK-47 because he was NOT a godless commie.
2013-01-31 03:33:11 PM  
1 vote:

AdolfOliverPanties: We need to arm all students.


Or, hear me out here, we could amputate all students' arms.  Give 'em back after they graduate.  I bet it's hard to hit things with, like, toe guns and stuff.
2013-01-31 03:29:43 PM  
1 vote:

AdolfOliverPanties: We need to arm all students.


only solution.  The only thing that stops a a Bad Guy with a gun is a Good Guy with a gun.
2013-01-31 03:23:38 PM  
1 vote:

Relatively Obscure: If only we could find the particle that gives shootings mass.


The media seems to be identifying that particle as "the third victim", but that's not a great bit of comfort to the loved ones of the first two.
2013-01-31 03:15:31 PM  
1 vote:
With only two victims, I guess we don't have to reset the "mass shooting" clock.
 
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