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2013-01-31 06:58:50 PM  

whidbey: Dimensio: Gun owners are not gods. They are people, and you want them to be treated with more rights than people.

I have advocated no additional rights for firearm owners. Your claim is a lie, and your proposal of absolute liability without exception regardless of any precautions taken by a firearm owner remains entirely unreasonable.

You are insisting that gun owners not be held accountable for their property and you are loathe to allow the legal system be the arbiter in such cases.  You clearly  want special rights.


No, more like you want to do blanket punishments on people who never did anything wrong. But you're an authoritarian douche asshat, and we already know that.
 
2013-01-31 06:59:11 PM  

atomicmask: I really do not think this is a gun issue, and I am starting to even wonder if its a mental health issue..

I think the counter to this is nothing more then more death. A good plague has not swept threw our culture in a long ass time, so at the moment, we are packed like rats on top of one another going ape shiat and fighting for a tiny little spot of peace in a world full of everyone trying to decide everyone elses business. Maybe if that happened, we could all get breathing room and not go nuthouse on the ones of us left alive.


Maybe this is the new plague?
 
2013-01-31 06:59:26 PM  

ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: Plus it's not very catchy.

There's a 14-year old kid in the hospital with a gunshot wound to the head, and probably a couple of very distraught parents or other family members, and I'm considering making a joke about it because I'm becoming so jaded.

I'm not in favor of gun control, but this is just getting ridiculous. Is there any solution out there which:

1.) Doesn't force everyone to hand in all of their guns
2.) Doesn't put kids further at risk by putting more guns in schools

and

3.) At least lowers the frequency and number of victims of gun violence.

I know there is no magic solution which will eliminate it, but how can we at least reduce it enough so that I'm not tempted to make jokes about a 14-year-old kid fighting for his life after being shot in the head while at school, exactly where he's supposed to be?


we could close all the schools.
 
2013-01-31 06:59:52 PM  

whidbey: Wow, this thread was supposed to be shut down 93 comments ago.  Scandalous.


STFU or get out.
 
2013-01-31 06:59:54 PM  

highendmighty: Dimensio: highendmighty: Noticeably F.A.T.: whidbey: Guns are not like any other item on this planet.

Bull honkey.

whidbey: They should be held to the highest standard of responsibility.

How do you make something theft-proof?

Stimulate the economy by legislating biometric triggers on all existing firearms.  It wouldn't be theft proof, or insane-wielder proof, but it would prevent the unauthorized use.  Expensive?  Yes.  More valuable than innocent human lives?  We've spent more money on less noble causes...

How will you convince police agencies to adopt such firearms? Please demonstrate that such triggering systems are effective and that they are infallibly reliable.


There is technology for it.


Then you should be able to provide reference to it. Please do so.

Additionally, how will police be convinced to adopt such technology?


  And your argument is guns are otherwise infallible devices?  Never been a misfire?  Never been a bullet caught in the barrel?  Never had a safety jam?

Previous malfunctions of my carry firearm were corrected through proper cleaning. The firearm has functioned reliably since.
 
2013-01-31 07:00:00 PM  

ox45tallboy: With only two victims, I guess we don't have to reset the "mass shooting" clock.


Nah.  He couldn't aim worth a flip.
 
2013-01-31 07:00:07 PM  

whidbey: Farkage: whidbey: OnlyM3: whidbey

OnlyM3: So tel us oh enlightened one. How would a background check have stopped Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc...?

You mean how would this country have benefited from having a uniform system of standards regarding gun ownership if we had enacted policies decades ago, don't you?
I see you failed to answer the direct question. Care to try again?

I did answer it.

You didn't care for the answser.

If we had had a longtime system of standards for gun owners for decades,  neither incident might have even happened.

Gun enthusiasts and the NRA have made sure we haven't had one, and are now suffering as a society because of those efforts.

Sure.  Okay, so in your mind, that will stop psychos from killing people?  Especially when stuff like this is freely available all over the internet with a 2 second Google search?
http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/june2007/imhv3.pdf

Or this?
http://thehomegunsmith.com/pdf/Expedient-Homemade-Firearms-Vol-II-PA -L uty.pdf

Yeah, better make it tougher for the law abiding people like me to legally buy something.  That should fix it.

How would background checks stop "law-abiding people" from legally buying firearms?

Be specific.


I have nothing against background checks and I've never said otherwise.  I was referring to some of the other retarded proposals.
 
2013-01-31 07:00:38 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: highendmighty: Stimulate the economy by legislating biometric triggers on all existing firearms.

When they come up with one as reliable as the rest of my gun, I'll consider it. Until then I'm not going to decrease the reliability of something I may need to protect my life. You also will need to have them at a reasonable cost, SCOTUS has repeatedly ruled that laws that unreasonably increase the cost of gun ownership are de facto bans as they keep poor people from being able to afford them.


I hear your SCOTUS argument - and I am not an anti-gun guy.  I love guns.  The government has subsidised so much crap over the decades, I think this, at least, would be worth some subsidy money.
 
2013-01-31 07:01:08 PM  

muck4doo: whidbey: Dimensio: Gun owners are not gods. They are people, and you want them to be treated with more rights than people.

I have advocated no additional rights for firearm owners. Your claim is a lie, and your proposal of absolute liability without exception regardless of any precautions taken by a firearm owner remains entirely unreasonable.

You are insisting that gun owners not be held accountable for their property and you are loathe to allow the legal system be the arbiter in such cases.  You clearly  want special rights.

No, more like you want to do blanket punishments on people who never did anything wrong. But you're an authoritarian douche asshat, and we already know that.


He is also violent. He advocated beating a restaurant owner to death solely because the restaurant owner engaged in an unpopular (but legal) business practice.
 
2013-01-31 07:01:43 PM  

Click Click D'oh: gun shows, where background check are not performed.


Depends on the show. I'm unsure about other states, but in CO it's illegal for anyone (including private buyers/sellers) to transfer any gun without a check at a gun show, or on the property (to prevent private deals on the floor then making the sale in the parking lot).
 
2013-01-31 07:01:47 PM  

ox45tallboy: Relatively Obscure: Plus it's not very catchy.

There's a 14-year old kid in the hospital with a gunshot wound to the head, and probably a couple of very distraught parents or other family members, and I'm considering making a joke about it because I'm becoming so jaded.

I'm not in favor of gun control, but this is just getting ridiculous. Is there any solution out there which:

1.) Doesn't force everyone to hand in all of their guns
2.) Doesn't put kids further at risk by putting more guns in schools


Most likely. The biggest problem is discussing it. When both sides can maturely discuss the issue without going into complete hyperbolic bullshiat, than it might be possible. Sadly, we're not there yet.
 
2013-01-31 07:02:01 PM  

iheartscotch: It isn't a gun control issue; it's a PEOPLE control issue. Until you can ensure that everyone aren't going to become murderous sociopaths; you're just ignoring the actual issue


The same day as the Sandy Hook shooting a kid in a school in China went on a knife rampage and injured like 22 kids. INJURED them. Of course that's terrible, but luckily he didn't have a gun with which to completely destroy them as happened in Sandy Hook.

It's a people issue and a gun control issue.
 
2013-01-31 07:02:05 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Princess


17 states out of 50 regulate private gun sales. Guess where most of those occurred?
 
2013-01-31 07:02:09 PM  

whidbey: Dimensio: Gun owners are not gods. They are people, and you want them to be treated with more rights than people.

I have advocated no additional rights for firearm owners. Your claim is a lie, and your proposal of absolute liability without exception regardless of any precautions taken by a firearm owner remains entirely unreasonable.

You are insisting that gun owners not be held accountable for their property and you are loathe to allow the legal system be the arbiter in such cases.  You clearly  want special rights.


So if a criminal breaks into your locked garage, steals your car and kills someone with it, you go to jail because f*ck you.  That's what you're saying?
 
2013-01-31 07:02:37 PM  

img.photobucket.com 
It's ok libs, I'll keep your daughters safe.



Also, told ya so.
 
2013-01-31 07:02:41 PM  

OnlyM3: Mrtraveler01

OnlyM3: **bonus points for this one as FARK Hypocrites (aka leftists) bashed the NRA when they called for it, yet ~4 days later when obmessiah called for it they fell to their knees in worship.**

I'm what you call a "leftist" (in reality I'm probably more of a centrist in a global perspective, but alas), I have no problem having armed police officers in schools.

Makes more sense than having teachers packing heat in the classroom.
Really? Why? Who are the first adults these evil sob's encounter? Why not allow the first person (adult) on scene a chance to save lives? Please remember in your reply, that "training" was part of the proposition.

Lets say we go your way and have 1 cop on every campus. Hell make it two. How hard would it be for some loon to distract those 2 (or just wait till they're wandering in some other location) and have open season?


If guns save lives, how many have you saved or personally witnessed as saved? I have medical training - First Aid, CPR, AED, First Responder, Lifeguard Trainer, and Emergency Tracheotomy. I've used it twice, both times in a situation where someone was in peril (anaphylactic shock and a distressed child struggling to stay above water, in that order). I don't own a gun, and I'm a liberal.

If you've fired a gun at a human being with the sole purpose of saving the lives of people around you less than 2 times, then I'm winning that race. There are better means to save a life than carrying a projectile launcher.
 
2013-01-31 07:02:45 PM  
whidbey

OnlyM3: whidbey

OnlyM3: So tel us oh enlightened one. How would a background check have stopped Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc...?

You mean how would this country have benefited from having a uniform system of standards regarding gun ownership if we had enacted policies decades ago, don't you?
I see you failed to answer the direct question. Care to try again?

I did answer it.

You didn't care for the answser.

If we had had a longtime system of standards for gun owners for decades, neither incident might have even happened.

No, that's a lie, those firearms were sold via background checks and later taken by thieves. You're proving how uninformed and silly your side is. You throw out a "solution" that won't have any real affect. Lie about prior incidents and hope nobody calls you on it.

Well. You've been called on it.
 
2013-01-31 07:02:50 PM  

highendmighty: Noticeably F.A.T.: whidbey: Guns are not like any other item on this planet.

Bull honkey.

whidbey: They should be held to the highest standard of responsibility.

How do you make something theft-proof?

Stimulate the economy by legislating biometric triggers on all existing firearms.  It wouldn't be theft proof, or insane-wielder proof, but it would prevent the unauthorized use.  Expensive?  Yes.  More valuable than innocent human lives?  We've spent more money on less noble causes...


Anyone know how to root a Glock 17?
 
2013-01-31 07:03:16 PM  

pedrop357: OnlyM3: Princess Ryans Knickers

1478 since Sandy Hook.

Also, did you know that 40% of felons obtained their guns at gun shows where there are often no background checks?
You need to phone in for new talking points. That lie was debunked weeks ago.
// not that the left has ever let little things like facts get in the way of their deranged ramblings.

They also include suicides, while ignoring countries with similar suicide rates and much stricter gun control.


Gun violence is gun violence. Jesus would not approve.
 
2013-01-31 07:03:21 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: No background check, no guns. Simple, effective protection of YOUR family and keeping weapons out of the hands of felons.


How do you suggest it be implemented?  The NICS system came to a crashing halt recently with requests from FFL dealers.  How would it handle the uptick in private sales?  How would private sales even be able access it since a FFL number is needed to access the system?
 
2013-01-31 07:03:23 PM  

highendmighty: There is technology for it. And your argument is guns are otherwise infallible devices? Never been a misfire? Never been a bullet caught in the barrel? Never had a safety jam?


That guns are not infallible in no way justifies deliberately adding things that can significantly reduce its reliability rate.
 
2013-01-31 07:03:23 PM  

Dimensio: muck4doo: whidbey: Dimensio: Gun owners are not gods. They are people, and you want them to be treated with more rights than people.

I have advocated no additional rights for firearm owners. Your claim is a lie, and your proposal of absolute liability without exception regardless of any precautions taken by a firearm owner remains entirely unreasonable.

You are insisting that gun owners not be held accountable for their property and you are loathe to allow the legal system be the arbiter in such cases.  You clearly  want special rights.

No, more like you want to do blanket punishments on people who never did anything wrong. But you're an authoritarian douche asshat, and we already know that.

He is also violent. He advocated beating a restaurant owner to death solely because the restaurant owner engaged in an unpopular (but legal) business practice.


He is my IHOP buddy, so I know he better not be messing with IHOP.
 
2013-01-31 07:03:40 PM  

Dimensio: You are mistaken. Suicide rates of Japan, South Korea and Australia are higher than suicide rates in the United States of America.


Probably misquoted statistic. I think I've seen the numbers that suicide by gun is higher in America than pretty much all other countries. That's also where they get the huge number of "gun related deaths" in a lot of quotes.

Studies have shown that if guns are taken away from a group, it lowers suicides by gun in that group.
http://gsoa.feinheit.ch/media/medialibrary/2010/12/Lubin_10.pdf

I'm going to avoid any overgeneralization of that for how that could apply to the whole of USA.
 
2013-01-31 07:03:41 PM  

whidbey: Wow, this thread was supposed to be shut down 93 comments ago.  Scandalous.


Ahhhh....But this is a legitimate thread, and therefore expected.
 
2013-01-31 07:04:04 PM  

pedrop357: OnlyM3: Princess Ryans Knickers

1478 since Sandy Hook.

Also, did you know that 40% of felons obtained their guns at gun shows where there are often no background checks?
You need to phone in for new talking points. That lie was debunked weeks ago.
// not that the left has ever let little things like facts get in the way of their deranged ramblings.

They also include suicides, while ignoring countries with similar suicide rates and much stricter gun control.


Also, the numbers are ONLY for the US. Unlike some of the drunk driving claims posted here.
 
2013-01-31 07:05:36 PM  
whidbey
How would background checks stop "law-abiding people" from legally buying firearms?

Be specific.
What you're trying now is called moving the goal post. You made a claim. You were called on it. You have shown you are incapable of supporting your claim, even when given multiple chances. So now you try to change the argument and throw the burden onto your opponent. Debates don't work that way.
 
2013-01-31 07:06:42 PM  

muck4doo: whidbey: Dimensio: Gun owners are not gods. They are people, and you want them to be treated with more rights than people.

I have advocated no additional rights for firearm owners. Your claim is a lie, and your proposal of absolute liability without exception regardless of any precautions taken by a firearm owner remains entirely unreasonable.

You are insisting that gun owners not be held accountable for their property and you are loathe to allow the legal system be the arbiter in such cases.  You clearly  want special rights.

No, more like you want to do blanket punishments on people who never did anything wrong. But you're an authoritarian douche asshat, and we already know that.


I don't think you should be charged if your gun was stolen by a criminal, but if you knowingly gave a weapon to a criminal of your free will, then you deserved to be charged for something IMHO.
 
2013-01-31 07:06:57 PM  
Whidbey, where did the gun weilding IHOP touch you?

/Hope it wasn't anywhere special
 
2013-01-31 07:06:58 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: 17 states out of 50 regulate private gun sales. Guess where most of those occurred?


You aren't even forming full coherent sentences anymore.
 
2013-01-31 07:07:17 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: [img.photobucket.com image 800x600] 
It's ok libs, I'll keep your daughters safe.

Also, told ya so.


Are those Diamond "Strike Anywhere" matches by the ammo?  That's not very safe . . .
 
2013-01-31 07:07:33 PM  
highendmighty
Stimulate the economy by legislating biometric triggers on all existing firearms. It wouldn't be theft proof, or insane-wielder proof, but it would prevent the unauthorized use. Expensive? Yes. More valuable than innocent human lives? We've spent more money on less noble causes...
even those clowns on mythbusters were able to circumvent biometric locks. Care to try for a real world, non-sci-fi answer?
 
2013-01-31 07:07:43 PM  

Mrtraveler01: muck4doo: whidbey: Dimensio: Gun owners are not gods. They are people, and you want them to be treated with more rights than people.

I have advocated no additional rights for firearm owners. Your claim is a lie, and your proposal of absolute liability without exception regardless of any precautions taken by a firearm owner remains entirely unreasonable.

You are insisting that gun owners not be held accountable for their property and you are loathe to allow the legal system be the arbiter in such cases.  You clearly  want special rights.

No, more like you want to do blanket punishments on people who never did anything wrong. But you're an authoritarian douche asshat, and we already know that.

I don't think you should be charged if your gun was stolen by a criminal, but if you knowingly gave a weapon to a criminal of your free will, then you deserved to be charged for something IMHO.


Mind you, I'm not well versed in gun laws to see how a law like this can be designed without negatively impacting people whose guns are stolen but it's worth a shot.
 
2013-01-31 07:08:01 PM  

Dimensio: No, more like you want to do blanket punishments on people who never did anything wrong. But you're an authoritarian douche asshat, and we already know that.

He is also violent. He advocated beating a restaurant owner to death solely because the restaurant owner engaged in an unpopular (but legal) business practice.


I'm starting to wonder if you either have no sense of humor or you are suffering from some sort of personality disorder that would take such a colloquial expression that much to heart.

Either way, you're agreeing with a known troll who has a history of disrupting threads.
 
2013-01-31 07:08:10 PM  
So is the guarantee to a green just submit a story about a shooting, or does it have to be a school shooting.  Let me know.

...crap's getting old....
 
2013-01-31 07:08:25 PM  

highendmighty: And your argument is guns are otherwise infallible devices?


Mine isn't. My argument is that the current crop of (affordable) biometric devices are more fallible than my guns, which are pretty farking reliable. If you can give me a device that 1) doesn't reduce my gun's current reliability and 2) is at a reasonable cost and 3) isn't easily defeated*, I'll take it. Until then, it's not happening.

*I'm less worried about someone taking my gun off my person than I am them taking it from my safe. If all it takes is two minutes with a screwdriver to bypass it, you really haven't done much to improve the situation, it'll still be a target for theft.
 
2013-01-31 07:08:27 PM  
The Bureau of Justice Statistics reports that 80 percent of state inmates purchased guns from family, friends, a street buy or an illegal source. Those guns don't grow on trees. ATF trafficking investigations show that many of them come from trafficking from gun shows.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/backgroundchecks/gunshowloo ph ole#Harlow

Gun shows are a major trafficking channel according to ATF, with an average of 130 guns trafficked per investigation, and over 25,000 firearms trafficked in total over one 17-month period alone http://www.bradycampaign.org/legislation/backgroundchecks/gunshowloop h ole#ATF

Bush Attorney General Gonzales:  "...gun shows are a marketplace for felons and other prohibited persons to buy firearms from unlicensed sellers without background checks "
 
2013-01-31 07:08:51 PM  
What? No NEWS tag?
Damn FARK libs, you're slippin'.
 
2013-01-31 07:09:05 PM  

boomm: Dimensio: You are mistaken. Suicide rates of Japan, South Korea and Australia are higher than suicide rates in the United States of America.

Probably misquoted statistic. I think I've seen the numbers that suicide by gun is higher in America than pretty much all other countries. That's also where they get the huge number of "gun related deaths" in a lot of quotes.

Studies have shown that if guns are taken away from a group, it lowers suicides by gun in that group.
http://gsoa.feinheit.ch/media/medialibrary/2010/12/Lubin_10.pdf

I'm going to avoid any overgeneralization of that for how that could apply to the whole of USA.


Wow.  You completely missed the point.

Suicides by gun go down when people are deprived of guns?  What a farking shock!

Now the big question is, did they simply find another way to kill themselves?  If they did, then they simply substituted methods and no progress has been made in SAVING LIVES.  Gun control is not supposed to be an end unto itself.

If you only care about suicides where a gun was used and don't care if they switch to something else, then you are part of the problem
 
2013-01-31 07:10:25 PM  

Mrtraveler01: muck4doo: whidbey: Dimensio: Gun owners are not gods. They are people, and you want them to be treated with more rights than people.

I have advocated no additional rights for firearm owners. Your claim is a lie, and your proposal of absolute liability without exception regardless of any precautions taken by a firearm owner remains entirely unreasonable.

You are insisting that gun owners not be held accountable for their property and you are loathe to allow the legal system be the arbiter in such cases.  You clearly  want special rights.

No, more like you want to do blanket punishments on people who never did anything wrong. But you're an authoritarian douche asshat, and we already know that.

I don't think you should be charged if your gun was stolen by a criminal, but if you knowingly gave a weapon to a criminal of your free will, then you deserved to be charged for something IMHO.


Serial numbers can be taken out.
 
2013-01-31 07:10:34 PM  
The cat's out of the bag in the US when it comes to guns. There's a shiatload of them and they're not going away. No amount of background checks, registration or anything else is going to stop some psycho from shooting up a place if he really needs to.

It is pretty retarded though that we have all these background check laws and anyone can walk into a gun show and buy anything they want with no ID check whatsoever. I'm not saying the background checks help but if you're going to have them, don't leave such an obvious loophole.

Buy all the guns you want just shut up about the second amendment and how people have guns to protect themselves from the government. If Hilary Clinton wants in, she's coming in and no amount of assault rifles you bought at the Brandon Gun Expo is going to stop that. Enjoy your toys but don't act like you're some last line of defense against the oppressive State.
 
2013-01-31 07:10:55 PM  

OnlyM3: whidbey
How would background checks stop "law-abiding people" from legally buying firearms?

Be specific. What you're trying now is called moving the goal post. You made a claim. You were called on it. You have shown you are incapable of supporting your claim, even when given multiple chances. So now you try to change the argument and throw the burden onto your opponent. Debates don't work that way.


I've actually been quite consistent in my arguments here.

You clearly don't want this country to have any kind of uniform standards in place regarding firearms.   My point was that if we had, neither Columbine nor Sandy Hook might have occurred.

This is not "moving goalposts, this is you attempting to avoid the point altogether.
 
2013-01-31 07:10:58 PM  

OnlyM3: whidbey

OnlyM3: whidbey

OnlyM3: So tel us oh enlightened one. How would a background check have stopped Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc...?

You mean how would this country have benefited from having a uniform system of standards regarding gun ownership if we had enacted policies decades ago, don't you?
I see you failed to answer the direct question. Care to try again?

I did answer it.

You didn't care for the answser.

If we had had a longtime system of standards for gun owners for decades, neither incident might have even happened.
No, that's a lie, those firearms were sold via background checks and later taken by thieves. You're proving how uninformed and silly your side is. You throw out a "solution" that won't have any real affect. Lie about prior incidents and hope nobody calls you on it.

Well. You've been called on it.


It's a hypothetical situation. By definition, it can't be a lie because it's based on something that didn't happen in the first place. This is what I mean by saying that we're not mature enough to discuss this situation. We still care more about "scoring points" than doing anything about children getting shot.
 
2013-01-31 07:10:59 PM  

Dimensio: highendmighty: Dimensio: highendmighty: Noticeably F.A.T.: whidbey: Guns are not like any other item on this planet.

Bull honkey.

whidbey: They should be held to the highest standard of responsibility.

How do you make something theft-proof?

Stimulate the economy by legislating biometric triggers on all existing firearms.  It wouldn't be theft proof, or insane-wielder proof, but it would prevent the unauthorized use.  Expensive?  Yes.  More valuable than innocent human lives?  We've spent more money on less noble causes...

How will you convince police agencies to adopt such firearms? Please demonstrate that such triggering systems are effective and that they are infallibly reliable.


There is technology for it.

Then you should be able to provide reference to it. Please do so.

Additionally, how will police be convinced to adopt such technology?


  And your argument is guns are otherwise infallible devices?  Never been a misfire?  Never been a bullet caught in the barrel?  Never had a safety jam?

Previous malfunctions of my carry firearm were corrected through proper cleaning. The firearm has functioned reliably since.


Nothing mechanical is 100% reliable, not even your sparkling clean guns. (and i'm glad it didn't fail for you at a time when you might need it most). I will defer to your argument that the smart gun idea is not 100% there yet, but again, it's on the cusp and a little bit of time and money invested in such a prospect would save countless lives - not necessarily immediately, but in the very near future.  I'm thinking of a long-term, reasonable solution to a large part of a problem in a time when off-the-cuff ass-pulling-out-of seems to be the flavor of the day. (and i apologize for the mixing of metaphors).
 
2013-01-31 07:11:20 PM  
Just wait until the tinfoil brigade finds out all the most recent shooters were home-schooled.
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2013-01-31 07:11:22 PM  

TommyDeuce: Are those Diamond "Strike Anywhere" matches by the ammo? That's not very safe . . .


Why?
 
2013-01-31 07:11:33 PM  

Mugato: . No amount of background checks, registration or anything else is going to stop some psycho from shooting up a place if he really needs to.


Why bother?

Why bother with airbags, food safety, vaccines, safety checks on airplanes, car safety, etc... someone is going to die anyway.
 
2013-01-31 07:12:17 PM  

Farkage: whidbey: Dimensio: Gun owners are not gods. They are people, and you want them to be treated with more rights than people.

I have advocated no additional rights for firearm owners. Your claim is a lie, and your proposal of absolute liability without exception regardless of any precautions taken by a firearm owner remains entirely unreasonable.

You are insisting that gun owners not be held accountable for their property and you are loathe to allow the legal system be the arbiter in such cases.  You clearly  want special rights.

So if a criminal breaks into your locked garage, steals your car and kills someone with it, you go to jail because f*ck you.  That's what you're saying?


No,  you are saying that a gun should be equated with an automobile.  Which has nothing to do with my point.
 
2013-01-31 07:12:40 PM  
This sort of gun violence is inevitable when one has a large, heavily armed populace.  Can we all agree on one thing, though....that even more guns, more people armed at schools, cops, soldiers, etc. will solve all of these problems?  It's simple math, people.  Arm everyone and this will somehow sort itself out.
 
2013-01-31 07:12:47 PM  

Mugato: It is pretty retarded though that we have all these background check laws and anyone can walk into a gun show and buy anything they want with no ID check whatsoever. I'm not saying the background checks help but if you're going to have them, don't leave such an obvious loophole.


Citation needed.

Dealer sales, which are the overwhelming majority of gun sales at gun shows, ALWAYS require a background check.  If you want to ban all private sales, have the guts to come right out and call for it.  Don't hide behind "gun shows".

Gun shows do not have any special laws that exempt sales there vs other places.
 
2013-01-31 07:12:56 PM  

muck4doo: Mrtraveler01: muck4doo: whidbey: Dimensio: Gun owners are not gods. They are people, and you want them to be treated with more rights than people.

I have advocated no additional rights for firearm owners. Your claim is a lie, and your proposal of absolute liability without exception regardless of any precautions taken by a firearm owner remains entirely unreasonable.

You are insisting that gun owners not be held accountable for their property and you are loathe to allow the legal system be the arbiter in such cases.  You clearly  want special rights.

No, more like you want to do blanket punishments on people who never did anything wrong. But you're an authoritarian douche asshat, and we already know that.

I don't think you should be charged if your gun was stolen by a criminal, but if you knowingly gave a weapon to a criminal of your free will, then you deserved to be charged for something IMHO.

Serial numbers can be taken out.


And giant meteors can fall on your house tomorrow. Just because something can happen doesn't mean it always does.
 
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