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(My Fox Memphis)   And for today's school shooting we have... Atlanta. 14-year old in hospital with gunshot wound to the head, one faculty member injured   (myfoxmemphis.com) divider line 915
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2013-01-31 06:25:04 PM  

Click Click D'oh: If only there had been a policeman with a gun there, then he could have stopped this before it got out of hand!

"The suspect was disarmed and taken into custody by a school resource officer, according to Davis."


Oh...  Well, we should have laws against Middle School children owning guns!!!!


I agree, having armed police officers does help.

Is this the only lesson we should be learning from this?
 
2013-01-31 06:25:14 PM  

EatenTheSun: jchic: AdolfOliverPanties: ox45tallboy: I'm not in favor of gun control, but this is just getting ridiculous. Is there any solution out there which:

1.) Doesn't force everyone to hand in all of their guns
2.) Doesn't put kids further at risk by putting more guns in schools

and

3.) At least lowers the frequency and number of victims of gun violence.

I know there is no magic solution which will eliminate it, but how can we at least reduce it enough so that I'm not tempted to make jokes about a 14-year-old kid fighting for his life after being shot in the head while at school, exactly where he's supposed to be?

Not if you're not in favor of gun control.  That shiat needs to be heavily regulated.  Background checks and attention toward mental health are a necessity.

It won't stop these things from happening, but it could dramatically lower their frequency.

Or at least regulate guns at least as much as you do cars.  Licenses and insurance.

How exactly do you think that would stop things like this from happening?


I don't know, but a minor got his hands on a gun and ammunition and brought it to school and shot someone in the head with it. Maybe we should hold the owner of the gun and ammo at least partially responsible for this? Maybe then people will be a little more careful with their guns.
 
2013-01-31 06:26:24 PM  
Treygreen13

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Hrmmm, one student shot and one teacher shot, possibly while trying to protect said student.

You got gun thread in my bully thread!

The article:
That teacher was not shot.

You're not expecting honesty or literacy from these deranged fools are you?
 
2013-01-31 06:26:33 PM  

OnlyM3: So tel us oh enlightened one. How would a background check have stopped Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc...?


You mean how would this country have benefited from having a uniform system of standards regarding gun ownership if we had enacted policies  decades ago, don't you?
 
2013-01-31 06:26:38 PM  
What? Since she's black it's only "Sad"?  Only white kids get the "Newsflash"?
 
2013-01-31 06:27:14 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Maybe we should hold the owner of the gun and ammo at least partially responsible for this? Maybe then people will be a little more careful with their guns.


I like this idea.

But sadly a lot of people won't.
 
2013-01-31 06:28:22 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Mike Chewbacca: Maybe we should hold the owner of the gun and ammo at least partially responsible for this? Maybe then people will be a little more careful with their guns.

I like this idea.

But sadly a lot of people won't.


Seems fair enough to me.   What would be the objection?
 
2013-01-31 06:29:01 PM  

DittoToo: What? Since she's black it's only "Sad"?  Only white kids get the "Newsflash"?


I just think this whole thing is sad.

We got some wacko holding a kid hostage in Alabama and now this.

I'm just sick of it all. What the fark has happened to this country?
 
2013-01-31 06:29:02 PM  

jchic: AdolfOliverPanties: ox45tallboy: I'm not in favor of gun control, but this is just getting ridiculous. Is there any solution out there which:

1.) Doesn't force everyone to hand in all of their guns
2.) Doesn't put kids further at risk by putting more guns in schools

and

3.) At least lowers the frequency and number of victims of gun violence.

I know there is no magic solution which will eliminate it, but how can we at least reduce it enough so that I'm not tempted to make jokes about a 14-year-old kid fighting for his life after being shot in the head while at school, exactly where he's supposed to be?

Not if you're not in favor of gun control.  That shiat needs to be heavily regulated.  Background checks and attention toward mental health are a necessity.

It won't stop these things from happening, but it could dramatically lower their frequency.

Or at least regulate guns at least as much as you do cars.  Licenses and insurance.


You do realize that car insurance is to fix someone else s car if you cause an accident.  (Or pay their medical bills).  It doesn't even remotely decrease the frequency of accidents, so in this case, it's a f*cking "gun fee" plain and simple.
 
2013-01-31 06:29:26 PM  
whidbey

>>> OnlyM3: Gunowner say: Arm guards or trained rational adults to protect schools

I see. So you're just going to pretend that a bunch of gun nuts nationwide haven't called for the arming of teachers?

So you're just going to pretend that the fools I was responding too were saying we called for the arming children?

You're saying no teachers are not "rational adults"?
 
2013-01-31 06:30:14 PM  

The Larch: Somaticasual: Do we have to count gang shootings, one-off incidents, and 1 or 2 victims as "school shootings" now? Because it's going to have to big newspaper to serve houston and LA..

Why don't victims of gang shootings count?   Are they less dead?   Or do they have some other "demographic" that makes you think they're worth less than you?


Different motivations, and they'll require different tactics to counter. A "school shooter" is going for a body count and wants the location to be a heinous as possible. A gang shooting targets a specific individual (possibly individuals), and in this case (possibly, but it's looking like a gang shooting) just happened to be at a school.
 
2013-01-31 06:30:39 PM  

OnlyM3: whidbey

>>> OnlyM3: Gunowner say: Arm guards or trained rational adults to protect schools

I see. So you're just going to pretend that a bunch of gun nuts nationwide haven't called for the arming of teachers?
So you're just going to pretend that the fools I was responding too were saying we called for the arming children?

You're saying no teachers are not "rational adults"?


I think it's a pretty farked up idea to even consider arming teachers myself.

That's a liability waiting to happen.
 
2013-01-31 06:30:48 PM  

Farkage: jchic: AdolfOliverPanties: ox45tallboy: I'm not in favor of gun control, but this is just getting ridiculous. Is there any solution out there which:

1.) Doesn't force everyone to hand in all of their guns
2.) Doesn't put kids further at risk by putting more guns in schools

and

3.) At least lowers the frequency and number of victims of gun violence.

I know there is no magic solution which will eliminate it, but how can we at least reduce it enough so that I'm not tempted to make jokes about a 14-year-old kid fighting for his life after being shot in the head while at school, exactly where he's supposed to be?

Not if you're not in favor of gun control.  That shiat needs to be heavily regulated.  Background checks and attention toward mental health are a necessity.

It won't stop these things from happening, but it could dramatically lower their frequency.

Or at least regulate guns at least as much as you do cars.  Licenses and insurance.

You do realize that car insurance is to fix someone else s car if you cause an accident.  (Or pay their medical bills).  It doesn't even remotely decrease the frequency of accidents, so in this case, it's a f*cking "gun fee" plain and simple.


And? If someone's irresponsibility allowed someone else to be harmed by their firearm, shouldn't the victim be assured their losses will be covered?
 
2013-01-31 06:31:13 PM  
Mike Chewbacca:  I don't know, but a minor got his hands on a gun and ammunition and brought it to school and shot someone in the head with it. Maybe we should hold the owner of the gun and ammo at least partially responsible for this? Maybe then people will be a little more careful with their guns.

What makes you think they won't?  Every state I know the firearms laws in makes it a crime if a minor gains access to a firearm and hurts themselves or another person.
 
2013-01-31 06:31:16 PM  
I wonder if this the plan: Flood streets with guns, shootings just about every day, so therefore it always be too soon to talk about gun control
 
2013-01-31 06:31:28 PM  

OnlyM3: Princess Ryans Knickers

1478 since Sandy Hook.

Also, did you know that 40% of felons obtained their guns at gun shows where there are often no background checks?
You need to phone in for new talking points. That lie was debunked weeks ago.
// not that the left has ever let little things like facts get in the way of their deranged ramblings.


Debunked how? Care to point to some actual facts? The 40% comes from the FBI which you can easily find on Google.
 
2013-01-31 06:31:29 PM  
Remember the good-ol'-days when you would get into an argument with someone and you would get your ass thouroughly kicked?  I really miss those days.
 
2013-01-31 06:31:49 PM  

Mrtraveler01: DittoToo: What? Since she's black it's only "Sad"?  Only white kids get the "Newsflash"?

I just think this whole thing is sad.

We got some wacko holding a kid hostage in Alabama and now this.

I'm just sick of it all. What the fark has happened to this country?


I wouldn't be surprised if the loss of decent jobs and lowering of wages while huge corporations continue to profit massively might have something to do with it.

People are basically losing hope despite attempts at social progress.
 
2013-01-31 06:32:05 PM  

ambassador_ahab: wxboy: If only prayer were allowed in public schools...

Jesus would have used an AR-15 instead of an AK-47 because he was NOT a godless commie.


No, he was a Jew so he would likely prefer a Tavor, UZI, or a good old fashioned Desert Eagle.
 
2013-01-31 06:32:09 PM  

whidbey: Mrtraveler01: Mike Chewbacca: Maybe we should hold the owner of the gun and ammo at least partially responsible for this? Maybe then people will be a little more careful with their guns.

I like this idea.

But sadly a lot of people won't.

Seems fair enough to me.   What would be the objection?


Strict liability, without exception, would be objectionable. A defined minimum and reasonable standard of security which, if followed, renders a firearm owner immune to any liability if that security is bypassed by an unauthorized individual should address any rational objection.
 
2013-01-31 06:32:27 PM  

Kathrin: There is no gun show loophole.


False, NRA's LaPierre stated, and you can find this video on YouTube, to Congress that there IS a gun show loophole.
 
2013-01-31 06:32:41 PM  

OnlyM3: whidbey

>>> OnlyM3: Gunowner say: Arm guards or trained rational adults to protect schools

I see. So you're just going to pretend that a bunch of gun nuts nationwide haven't called for the arming of teachers?
So you're just going to pretend that the fools I was responding too were saying we called for the arming children?

You're saying no teachers are not "rational adults"?


They don't have any business carrying weapons, <B>OnlyM3</B>. For fark's sake.
 
2013-01-31 06:32:53 PM  

Herb Utsmelz

Can-stop-a-badguy-with-a-gun.jpg



Thankfully disarmed victims can... ohh.. wait.
 
2013-01-31 06:33:26 PM  

whidbey: Seems fair enough to me. What would be the objection?


Depends on how he got it. Did his folks/friends make no effort to keep it away from him? Charge them. Did they take reasonable precautions and he still managed to steal it? Leave them alone.
 
2013-01-31 06:34:52 PM  

Dimensio: whidbey: Mrtraveler01: Mike Chewbacca: Maybe we should hold the owner of the gun and ammo at least partially responsible for this? Maybe then people will be a little more careful with their guns.

I like this idea.

But sadly a lot of people won't.

Seems fair enough to me.   What would be the objection?

Strict liability, without exception, would be objectionable. A defined minimum and reasonable standard of security which, if followed, renders a firearm owner immune to any liability if that security is bypassed by an unauthorized individual should address any rational objection.


If your weapon caused a murder, then YOU should be also held accountable for it.

Guns are not like any other item on this planet.  They should be held to the highest standard of responsibility.
 
2013-01-31 06:35:15 PM  
DYK that convicted felons can legally purchase guns in Ohio? This is just one of MANY states that allow it.
 
2013-01-31 06:35:36 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: I wonder if this the plan: Flood streets with guns, shootings just about every day, so therefore it always be too soon to talk about gun control


Not really. Gun violence is going down, and has been for a long time. Reporting, however, has gone up.
 
2013-01-31 06:35:40 PM  

libranoelrose: Why does this keep happening?


Because people are assholes.

I mean, at the end of the day, all we have as a society and a species is to tell ourselves, "Hey, don't do that, it's bad."

People no longer do that.
 
2013-01-31 06:36:02 PM  
Maybe we should start using the Obvious tag for stories about shootings. Or Repeat.
 
2013-01-31 06:36:13 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: whidbey: Seems fair enough to me. What would be the objection?

Depends on how he got it. Did his folks/friends make no effort to keep it away from him? Charge them. Did they take reasonable precautions and he still managed to steal it? Leave them alone.


Disagree, obviously.  If the weapon ended up stolen, then whatever "reasonable precaution"  put in place didn't work.
 
2013-01-31 06:36:23 PM  

whidbey: Dimensio: whidbey: Mrtraveler01: Mike Chewbacca: Maybe we should hold the owner of the gun and ammo at least partially responsible for this? Maybe then people will be a little more careful with their guns.

I like this idea.

But sadly a lot of people won't.

Seems fair enough to me.   What would be the objection?

Strict liability, without exception, would be objectionable. A defined minimum and reasonable standard of security which, if followed, renders a firearm owner immune to any liability if that security is bypassed by an unauthorized individual should address any rational objection.

If your weapon caused a murder, then YOU should be also held accountable for it.

Guns are not like any other item on this planet.  They should be held to the highest standard of responsibility.


If a firearm owner secures his firearm in a secure locked storage unit, and a thief breaks into the owner's home, then breaks the locked storage unit and obtains the firearm, holding the firearm owner liable for criminal acts committed with use of the firearm is entirely unreasonable.
 
2013-01-31 06:36:28 PM  

whidbey: Guns are not like any other item on this planet.


Bull honkey.

whidbey: They should be held to the highest standard of responsibility.


How do you make something theft-proof?
 
2013-01-31 06:36:48 PM  

OnlyM3: Treygreen13

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Hrmmm, one student shot and one teacher shot, possibly while trying to protect said student.

You got gun thread in my bully thread!

The article:
That teacher was not shot.
You're not expecting honesty or literacy from these deranged fools are you?


Missed the part where I apologized for getting my information from an earlier news report did you?  Also, does making a joke automatically mean I am opposed to reasonable gun control?
 
2013-01-31 06:39:02 PM  
Mrtraveler01

OnlyM3: **bonus points for this one as FARK Hypocrites (aka leftists) bashed the NRA when they called for it, yet ~4 days later when obmessiah called for it they fell to their knees in worship.**

I'm what you call a "leftist" (in reality I'm probably more of a centrist in a global perspective, but alas), I have no problem having armed police officers in schools.

Makes more sense than having teachers packing heat in the classroom.

Really? Why? Who are the first adults these evil sob's encounter? Why not allow the first person (adult) on scene a chance to save lives? Please remember in your reply, that "training" was part of the proposition.

Lets say we go your way and have 1 cop on every campus. Hell make it two. How hard would it be for some loon to distract those 2 (or just wait till they're wandering in some other location) and have open season?
 
2013-01-31 06:39:18 PM  
If mental health issues were discovered and addressed early and more thoroughly this kind of thing would not happen as much. Oh but providing universal care would be socialist so forget that. Guns don't kill people. Angry, crazy people kill people with whatever weapon they get their hands on.
 
2013-01-31 06:39:25 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: whidbey: Guns are not like any other item on this planet.

Bull honkey.

whidbey: They should be held to the highest standard of responsibility.

How do you make something theft-proof?


If the item is something as dangerous as a firearm,  you had better think of something at least 99% effective,
 
2013-01-31 06:39:31 PM  
Isolated incident #1,000,780,987

USA USA USA
 
2013-01-31 06:39:44 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Debunked how? Care to point to some actual facts? The 40% comes from the FBI which you can easily find on Google.


Not quite true as represented.  The 40% number is for all transactions.  40% of gun sales are from private.  Not necessarily at gun shows, and not necessarily to felons.

http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

There's is the study where the factoid comes from.  Page 6.
 
2013-01-31 06:39:56 PM  
I hate guns, particularly handguns, and I do not think most people should be allowed to own them.
And I'm sorry that this kid got shot.

That being said, having lived through my share of crap from assholes while I was in school, I'm also going to say that my first thought in this case was "I bet the kid that got shot is a huge bully."
 
2013-01-31 06:40:05 PM  

The_Sponge: ghare: The_Sponge: theorellior: At this point I just sit back and listen the increasingly shrill cries from the gun nuts out there about this God-given right to go on shooting rampages.

-10/10

More proof that gun nuts, are in, fact, nuts. Who have guns.

Yeah, I'm a real nut case for calling out an obvious troll.


Part of me was trolling, part of me wasn't. I don't have a problem with guns, shooting or hunting. I do have a problem with nutso people who seem to think a tool designed for taking human life is a holy relic that should be treated with so much fetishistic respect that every other consideration becomes secondary to the Rights of the Gun.
 
2013-01-31 06:40:49 PM  
whidbey

OnlyM3: So tel us oh enlightened one. How would a background check have stopped Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc...?

You mean how would this country have benefited from having a uniform system of standards regarding gun ownership if we had enacted policies decades ago, don't you?

I see you failed to answer the direct question. Care to try again?
 
2013-01-31 06:40:53 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Mike Chewbacca:  I don't know, but a minor got his hands on a gun and ammunition and brought it to school and shot someone in the head with it. Maybe we should hold the owner of the gun and ammo at least partially responsible for this? Maybe then people will be a little more careful with their guns.

What makes you think they won't?  Every state I know the firearms laws in makes it a crime if a minor gains access to a firearm and hurts themselves or another person.


Oh, I don't know, history, maybe? Robyn Anderson bought Harris and Klebold 3 of the 4 guns used in the Columbine massacre. But because she had no knowledge of her plans, she was never charged with a crime. Mark Manes sold the fourth weapon and some ammo to Klebold and "was charged with one count of unlawfully providing or permitting a juvenile to possess a handgun. Manes was also charged with one count of possession of a dangerous or illegal weapon because he had gone shooting with Klebold and Harris in March 1999 and had shot one of their sawed off shotguns. "
 
2013-01-31 06:40:59 PM  

OnlyM3: Lets say we go your way and have 1 cop on every campus. Hell make it two. How hard would it be for some loon to distract those 2 (or just wait till they're wandering in some other location) and have open season?


So you don't support having police officers stationed on campus?
 
2013-01-31 06:41:13 PM  

Dimensio: Guns are not like any other item on this planet. They should be held to the highest standard of responsibility.

If a firearm owner secures his firearm in a secure locked storage unit, and a thief breaks into the owner's home, then breaks the locked storage unit and obtains the firearm, holding the firearm owner liable for criminal acts committed with use of the firearm is entirely unreasonable.


Seriously, tell that to the judge and jury.

It's unreasonable to assume that a gun owner would automatically  be immune from responsibility, even in the case of such unlikely events.
 
2013-01-31 06:41:20 PM  

Rufus Lee King: Herb Utsmelz: A culture of war

[ian.macky.net image 850x598]


Change the clothes and weapons and here we are.
 
2013-01-31 06:41:41 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Farkage: jchic: AdolfOliverPanties: ox45tallboy: I'm not in favor of gun control, but this is just getting ridiculous. Is there any solution out there which:

1.) Doesn't force everyone to hand in all of their guns
2.) Doesn't put kids further at risk by putting more guns in schools

and

3.) At least lowers the frequency and number of victims of gun violence.

I know there is no magic solution which will eliminate it, but how can we at least reduce it enough so that I'm not tempted to make jokes about a 14-year-old kid fighting for his life after being shot in the head while at school, exactly where he's supposed to be?

Not if you're not in favor of gun control.  That shiat needs to be heavily regulated.  Background checks and attention toward mental health are a necessity.

It won't stop these things from happening, but it could dramatically lower their frequency.

Or at least regulate guns at least as much as you do cars.  Licenses and insurance.

You do realize that car insurance is to fix someone else s car if you cause an accident.  (Or pay their medical bills).  It doesn't even remotely decrease the frequency of accidents, so in this case, it's a f*cking "gun fee" plain and simple.

And? If someone's irresponsibility allowed someone else to be harmed by their firearm, shouldn't the victim be assured their losses will be covered?


Yep.  Sue them, just like what happens now.  Do you own a hammer or club?  Maybe you should get insurance just in case.  After all, I don't know you or what you're capable of...
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/03/fbi-hammers-clubs-kill-mor e- people-than-rifles-shotguns/
 
2013-01-31 06:41:49 PM  

atomicmask: I really do not think this is a gun issue, and I am starting to even wonder if its a mental health issue..

I think the counter to this is nothing more then more death. A good plague has not swept threw our culture in a long ass time, so at the moment, we are packed like rats on top of one another going ape shiat and fighting for a tiny little spot of peace in a world full of everyone trying to decide everyone elses business. Maybe if that happened, we could all get breathing room and not go nuthouse on the ones of us left alive.


Well, when you gleefully encourage people to use chemical weapons on their own population on the virtue that brown people dying doesn't really matter a comment like this doesn't really shock people.
 
2013-01-31 06:41:54 PM  

The Larch: Somat


Ignoring the fact you're just trolling for racism, no. Their lives are no less as meaningful, but the intent is usually to kill one or more specific gang members in gang shootings- not over 20 random kids that just got killed for showing up that day because of one twisted spree shooter.
 
2013-01-31 06:42:17 PM  

texdent: We should just ban schools.


But if we ban schools then only fish will have schools. And don't think for a minute they won't use them.
 
2013-01-31 06:43:42 PM  

ambassador_ahab: AdolfOliverPanties: We need to arm all students.

only solution.  The only thing that stops a a Bad Guy with a gun is a Good Guy with a gun.



The other effective solution is to throw waves of children at the bad guy till he runs out of bullets. Brannigans war strategy for children.
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