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2013-01-31 03:26:32 PM
Too good to pass up.  Especially since Win8 Pro gives you the license to downgrade to Win7, or run it with client Hyper-V.  I think the upgrade option even worked from the free consumer preview version of Win8.
 
2013-01-31 03:29:36 PM
 
2013-01-31 03:31:45 PM
My Windows 7 laptop is barely two years old. I'm not going to "upgrade" to 8 anytime soon, and by the time I do I'll bet they'll almost be ready to release Windows 10.

To that extent, $15-$40 is still more than I want to spend on Windows 8.
 
2013-01-31 03:37:01 PM

syrynxx: Too good to pass up.  Especially since Win8 Pro gives you the license to downgrade to Win7, or run it with client Hyper-V.  I think the upgrade option even worked from the free consumer preview version of Win8.


How does that work? Do you need to install 8 and then downgrade or is it possible to install off my Win7 Pro DVD and then use the Win8 Pro license?
 
2013-01-31 03:39:39 PM
I think the XP box I built a few months ago to play Fallout 3/NV wouldn't play those games under 8. At least not as well as it has been.
 
2013-01-31 03:42:08 PM

Donnchadha: To that extent, $15-$40 is still more than I want to spend on Windows 8.


I recommended it to a friend not so much for Win8, but for the 'Pro' aspect.  She got a system with 32GB of RAM and only has Win7 Home on it.  Win7 Home only supports 16GB of RAM.  Pro also supports Remote Desktop, which is nice for me since I have a computer running my email fat client at the other end of the house.  I can remote into it and keep all my mail in the same place.  I am not at all a fan of the Metro UI, but as the headline says, this is a legal upgrade with an incredible amount of leeway as to what you're upgrading from.  I think it's also possible to legally upgrade from the free Consumer Release that came out last February:

To install the Windows 8 Pro upgrade, your PC must be running Windows XP SP3, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 Consumer Preview, or Windows 8 Release Preview. If your PC is running Windows 7, Windows 8 Consumer Preview, or Windows 8 Release Preview, your files, apps, and settings will easily transfer to Windows 8 Pro. If your PC is running Windows XP or Windows Vista, you'll need to reinstall your apps.

That was from my link which works if you copy the literal URL into a browser, but somehow seems to have been converted to an "update your browser" hyperlink.  Weird.
 
2013-01-31 03:43:20 PM
I'm quite satisfied with my LEGAL version of Windows 7 64-bit.  If Windows 8 was offered for free, I'd still say no.
 
2013-01-31 03:45:42 PM

Gig103: How does that work?


I'm not quite sure - I know that MSFT does as little as possible to encourage this.  They say it's legal, but you're entirely on your own to obtain the Win7 media.  I can't see how a Win8 license key would work if you happened to get a copy of Win7 install media somehow.  I don't work for MSFT at the moment but I used to and may again, so I'm not under any NDA but I also only have the same resources for info that anyone else does.
 
2013-01-31 03:53:33 PM
pass
 
2013-01-31 03:58:00 PM
That assumes I'd want to "upgrade" to Windows 8 to begin with.
 
wee [TotalFark]
2013-01-31 04:02:54 PM
As someone who was forced to spend an hour working with Windows Server 2012, don't farking bother.
 
2013-01-31 04:16:36 PM

gopher321: I'm quite satisfied with my LEGAL version of Windows 7 64-bit.  If Windows 8 was offered for free, I'd still say no.


Same here.
 
2013-01-31 04:20:26 PM

wee: As someone who was forced to spend an hour working with Windows Server 2012, don't farking bother.


Don't tell me they have "tiles" for a f*cking server OS... :/

/hasn't had the "fortune" to deal with Server 2012 yet
 
2013-01-31 04:22:58 PM
i'll pass
 
2013-01-31 04:23:52 PM
Why would I pay $15-$40 to make my PC practically unusable?
 
2013-01-31 04:24:15 PM
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-31 04:28:40 PM
I am typing this on Windows 8 right now.  It's not bad.  I don't see a huge difference from Windows 7. I guess I don't see that compelling reason to upgrade from Windows 7, but I was building a new pc.
 
2013-01-31 04:29:19 PM
1. d/l bootleg Win7
2. pay $15 for Win8
3. "downgrade" to Win7
4. Win.

Win8 is a non-entity.  It serves no legitimate purpose whatsoever.
And if M$ had a brain in their heads, they would just charge $15 for their OS to begin with.  If they did, nobody would bootleg it and everyone would use it.
 
2013-01-31 04:29:53 PM

xanadian: wee: As someone who was forced to spend an hour working with Windows Server 2012, don't farking bother.

Don't tell me they have "tiles" for a f*cking server OS... :/

/hasn't had the "fortune" to deal with Server 2012 yet


Here's the odd thing: They added Metro to server (stupid), but it's better implemented than Windows 8 (even more stupid). It's not as invasive as 8's Metro and doesn't trip me up nearly as much. It's still batshiat insane that they foisted it on server, though.
 
2013-01-31 04:30:08 PM

gopher321: I'm quite satisfied with my LEGAL version of Windows 7 64-bit.  If Windows 8 was offered for free, I'd still say no.


This.

Not even if they paid me.
 
2013-01-31 04:32:05 PM

xanadian: That assumes I'd want to "upgrade" to Windows 8 to begin with.


Yeah, exactly.  I've essentially stopped using the word "upgrade".  I'll say "update", but "upgrade" implies improvement, and I have to be convinced of that first.
 
2013-01-31 04:33:46 PM
I went from Vista x86 to Windows 8 x64, so I did a shiat to newer, 64 bit shiat upgrade.  It actually runs really well.  The aesthetic takes a bit getting used to and I installed StartIsBack as soon as it was up and running, but I'm actually happy with it, thus far.
 
2013-01-31 04:33:57 PM

amundb: Why would I pay $15-$40 to make my PC practically unusable?

tromoticons.files.wordpress.com

Not "practically unusable" in any, way shape or form.
I set up a friend's laptop, IIRC it took 2 clicks to get at the traditional desktop and that was enough to get the basics running for her.

/sticking with 7 as long as I can.
 
2013-01-31 04:35:46 PM
Windows 8 can suck my dick.
 
2013-01-31 04:36:52 PM

mainstreet62: Windows 8 can suck my dick.


Well, that's a reason to upgrade.
 
2013-01-31 04:37:28 PM
On one hand, continue running with great, working OS.

On other hand, pay any amount of money to upgrade to crappy, universally panned OS.

wat?
 
2013-01-31 04:38:59 PM
Too good to pass up.  Especially since Win8 Pro gives you the license to downgrade to Win7, or run it with client Hyper-V.

Looks like they found a way to boost Win8 sales figures
 
2013-01-31 04:40:53 PM
So as a gamer I have to ask: is exclusive DirectX 11.1 worth Win8 or should I stick with the slightly smaller bloat of Win7?
 
2013-01-31 04:42:58 PM
Microsoft, please stop treating a desktop PC like a mobile pad, and you'll win back the windows 95 to win 7 users.
You could have met us in the middle and kept the start bar, but you didn't.
You could have met us in the middle and not changed for change's sake, but you didn't.
Get back to computers, stop trying to rip off apple's own ripoffs, and be your nerdy accountant bad-boy self.
 
2013-01-31 04:43:22 PM

MightyPez: xanadian: wee: As someone who was forced to spend an hour working with Windows Server 2012, don't farking bother.

Don't tell me they have "tiles" for a f*cking server OS... :/

/hasn't had the "fortune" to deal with Server 2012 yet

Here's the odd thing: They added Metro to server (stupid), but it's better implemented than Windows 8 (even more stupid). It's not as invasive as 8's Metro and doesn't trip me up nearly as much. It's still batshiat insane that they foisted it on server, though.



you want insane..
ponder this for a momnet..

Major componet of server 2012 is power shell.
Power shell is basicly a very powerfull scripting for command line.

so why are you putting a touch screen interface on a command line system?
 
2013-01-31 04:44:00 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: [i.imgur.com image 530x413]
[i.imgur.com image 430x350]


I love how the argument for Windows 8 has now come down to "WELL YOU'RE JUST AFRAID OF CHANGE DURR~!"

It's an incremental upgrade at best, with a UI that's half-baked for tablets, and complete shiat for desktops, slathered on top.  Why would <I>anybody</I> want that kind of "change"?
 
2013-01-31 04:44:18 PM

syrynxx: I recommended it to a friend not so much for Win8, but for the 'Pro' aspect.  She got a system with 32GB of RAM and only has Win7 Home on it.  Win7 Home only supports 16GB of RAM.


I still don't understand that limitation. There's no reason to limit the amount of accessible RAM beyond the underlying architecture of the OS. I'm not a mindless MS hater, but that's just dumb.
 
2013-01-31 04:45:27 PM

mainstreet62: Windows 8 can suck my dick.


OK, so I must have missed that hot key combo, care to share?
 
2013-01-31 04:47:10 PM

NotARocketScientist: Too good to pass up.  Especially since Win8 Pro gives you the license to downgrade to Win7, or run it with client Hyper-V.

Looks like they found a way to boost Win8 sales figures


Here is a article on how to do it http://lifehacker.com/5974318/downgrade-your-new-windows-8-computer-t o -windows-7-for-free?utm_source=gawker.com&utm_medium=recirculation&utm _campaign=recirculation
/Average users might not even care to do it
 
2013-01-31 04:48:36 PM

HeartBurnKid: drjekel_mrhyde: [i.imgur.com image 530x413]
[i.imgur.com image 430x350]

I love how the argument for Windows 8 has now come down to "WELL YOU'RE JUST AFRAID OF CHANGE DURR~!"

It's an incremental upgrade at best, with a UI that's half-baked for tablets, and complete shiat for desktops, slathered on top.  Why would <I>anybody</I> want that kind of "change"?


What's wrong with using it on a desktop?
 
2013-01-31 04:49:51 PM

SDRR: mainstreet62: Windows 8 can suck my dick.

OK, so I must have missed that hot key combo, care to share?


hold alt ctrl and hit the keys 8====D~O. I think you need their extra keyboard though.
 
2013-01-31 04:51:26 PM

Mcavity: you want insane..
ponder this for a momnet..

Major componet of server 2012 is power shell.
Power shell is basicly a very powerfull scripting for command line.

so why are you putting a touch screen interface on a command line system?


It gets even worse when you device to run Server Core and need to make use of remote utilities...
 
2013-01-31 04:52:09 PM

casual disregard: syrynxx: I recommended it to a friend not so much for Win8, but for the 'Pro' aspect.  She got a system with 32GB of RAM and only has Win7 Home on it.  Win7 Home only supports 16GB of RAM.

I still don't understand that limitation. There's no reason to limit the amount of accessible RAM beyond the underlying architecture of the OS. I'm not a mindless MS hater, but that's just dumb.


They've always done weird things like that,like when they limited XP Home to one socket only even though the underlying code is the same as Pro. Ditch the outsell and just have one version that has everything available, giving the user the option to remove parts they don't need or want, like Media Center on a corporate system.
 
2013-01-31 04:52:23 PM

syrynxx: I recommended it to a friend not so much for Win8, but for the 'Pro' aspect.


I guess that's a legitimate reason -- I got 64 bit 7 Pro on my laptop to start and really wouldn't have considered "home" or any other lesser version. I forget that some people don't think that way.
 
2013-01-31 04:52:28 PM
How about "NO."  Win8 needs to die a slow agonizing death and be replaced by something people actually want and that isn't designed with the specific stated- even bragged about- intent to screw developers.

/former rabid MS fanboi
//learning all sorts of new technologies these days
///still not willing to check the "I like-like you" box on the note that Apple sent me
 
2013-01-31 04:53:33 PM

syrynxx: Too good to pass up.  Especially since Win8 Pro gives you the license to downgrade to Win7, or run it with client Hyper-V.  I think the upgrade option even worked from the free consumer preview version of Win8.


I don't think downgrade rights apply to upgrades. They apply to retail full, oem, and volume license last I checked.
 
2013-01-31 04:56:02 PM

amundb: Why would I pay $15-$40 to make my PC practically unusable?


Oh no, 90% of the OS is the same, it is faster, safer and has some really nice cloud integration but fark that the start menu changed that I barely used anyway on a desktop cause of pinning so it is unusable.
 
2013-01-31 04:56:26 PM
I will never get over the amazing, ignorance-fueled mass psychosis against this OS.
 
2013-01-31 04:58:09 PM
win8 noob question here.  If this OS has been designed to work well with tablets etc, does that mean that the OS has been streamlined a bit to run on lesser hardware?  Could it be a slight performance upgrade in return for the shiathouse UI?

/Still haven't even seen win8 in the wild.
 
2013-01-31 04:58:17 PM
does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.
 
2013-01-31 05:00:32 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: HeartBurnKid: drjekel_mrhyde: [i.imgur.com image 530x413]
[i.imgur.com image 430x350]

I love how the argument for Windows 8 has now come down to "WELL YOU'RE JUST AFRAID OF CHANGE DURR~!"

It's an incremental upgrade at best, with a UI that's half-baked for tablets, and complete shiat for desktops, slathered on top.  Why would <I>anybody</I> want that kind of "change"?

What's wrong with using it on a desktop?


You cannot boot directly to desktop mode
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the application launcher (Metro/Start Screen) in desktop mode (i.e. Start button or Windows flag button)
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the Charms bar
There is no indicator of what items in the Charms bar actually pertain to the app you're using
The application launcher that used to come up discreetly in the corner of the screen now takes up the full screen, breaking your workflow with no appreciable benefit
Tiles for installed apps are strewn haphazardly across Metro without rhyme or reason
The "Shut down" function is hopelessly obscured
Metro apps are nowhere near as simple to multitask as traditional Windows apps
Some desktop settings are only changeable through Metro
Some Metro settings are only changeable through the desktop

And that's just the obvious issues.
 
2013-01-31 05:01:46 PM

casual disregard: So as a gamer I have to ask: is exclusive DirectX 11.1 worth Win8 or should I stick with the slightly smaller bloat of Win7?


Consider the vast horde of poor bastards still running winXP as a gaming platform which makes the target directX9 at max and the number of games with exclusive DX11 engine based games can be counted with one's anus...no, not at all.  Avoid the stillborn mess and wait for 9.  DirectX advancements are constantly touted but again, until the XP truly dies off no sane engine will be exclusive DX10+.
 
2013-01-31 05:01:58 PM

pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.


You can only get the latest DX under windows 8. It also fully supports SSD drives, latest processor features, etc, etc.

So if you have a older machine probably not but if you have the latest hardware yes.
 
2013-01-31 05:02:13 PM

SJKebab: win8 noob question here.  If this OS has been designed to work well with tablets etc, does that mean that the OS has been streamlined a bit to run on lesser hardware?  Could it be a slight performance upgrade in return for the shiathouse UI?

/Still haven't even seen win8 in the wild.


Some people do see a slight improvement in boot times and general function on older hardware. It's not hugely different than 7, but if you need a legit key or want to come up from Vista or XP, I'd go for it. The Start Menu is really unobtrusive and not that big of a problem once you start using it overall.

pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.


Well, Windows 8 didn't go backwards on supporting your RAM or anything, if that's what you mean. I game on it all of the time, and it all seems to work flawlessly, but I wouldn't upgrade from 7 to 8 for gaming needs. Not a huge performance difference.
 
2013-01-31 05:02:32 PM
I just downloaded this. It works great. I can't wait to
 
2013-01-31 05:03:14 PM

pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.


The only advantage Win8 brings for gaming is that DirectX 11.1 is exclusive to it.  However, few games at present support DX11.1, so that's not much of an advantage.
 
2013-01-31 05:03:23 PM

pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.


Not really as of yet http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331 . html
 
2013-01-31 05:03:29 PM

BumpInTheNight: casual disregard: So as a gamer I have to ask: is exclusive DirectX 11.1 worth Win8 or should I stick with the slightly smaller bloat of Win7?

Consider the vast horde of poor bastards still running winXP as a gaming platform which makes the target directX9 at max and the number of games with exclusive DX11 engine based games can be counted with one's anus...no, not at all.  Avoid the stillborn mess and wait for 9.  DirectX advancements are constantly touted but again, until the XP truly dies off no sane engine will be exclusive DX10+.


Exclusive no, but most games now can run under the latest DX but offer DX9 as a shiat option.
 
2013-01-31 05:04:28 PM

xanadian: That assumes I'd want to "upgrade" to Windows 8 to begin with.


Windows 8 is the best version of Windows ever.

EVER.
 
2013-01-31 05:04:46 PM

HeartBurnKid: drjekel_mrhyde: [i.imgur.com image 530x413]
[i.imgur.com image 430x350]

I love how the argument for Windows 8 has now come down to "WELL YOU'RE JUST AFRAID OF CHANGE DURR~!"

It's an incremental upgrade at best, with a UI that's half-baked for tablets, and complete shiat for desktops, slathered on top.  Why would <I>anybody</I> want that kind of "change"?


Kind of a strange argument there that's for sure.  I just don't bother upgrading every release of windows, Went from 98> xp > 7, don't see much point in getting 8, I'll get the next version when it comes out.
 
2013-01-31 05:04:59 PM

pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.


Vista & Win7 only really shine for gaming with games that utilize multiple CPUs, GPUs or want more then 2GB of addressable memory (I'm looking at you, bethesda's games and Metro2033).  That said, XP is sorely outdated for many other things beyond the gaming...like you really don't want to use an SSD with one unless you like replacing them alot.
 
2013-01-31 05:06:18 PM

Mcavity: MightyPez: xanadian: wee: As someone who was forced to spend an hour working with Windows Server 2012, don't farking bother.

Don't tell me they have "tiles" for a f*cking server OS... :/

/hasn't had the "fortune" to deal with Server 2012 yet

Here's the odd thing: They added Metro to server (stupid), but it's better implemented than Windows 8 (even more stupid). It's not as invasive as 8's Metro and doesn't trip me up nearly as much. It's still batshiat insane that they foisted it on server, though.


you want insane..
ponder this for a momnet..

Major componet of server 2012 is power shell.
Power shell is basicly a very powerfull scripting for command line.

so why are you putting a touch screen interface on a command line system?


For the touchscreen servers, duh.

www.alphaonelabs.com


How else are you supposed to give the rabbit a flu shot?

/Hack The Planet!
 
2013-01-31 05:06:50 PM

LasersHurt: SJKebab: win8 noob question here.  If this OS has been designed to work well with tablets etc, does that mean that the OS has been streamlined a bit to run on lesser hardware?  Could it be a slight performance upgrade in return for the shiathouse UI?

/Still haven't even seen win8 in the wild.

Some people do see a slight improvement in boot times and general function on older hardware. It's not hugely different than 7, but if you need a legit key or want to come up from Vista or XP, I'd go for it. The Start Menu is really unobtrusive and not that big of a problem once you start using it overall.

pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.

Well, Windows 8 didn't go backwards on supporting your RAM or anything, if that's what you mean. I game on it all of the time, and it all seems to work flawlessly, but I wouldn't upgrade from 7 to 8 for gaming needs. Not a huge performance difference.


Everyone sees a boot increase since windows has a new boot method that keeps some if the kernel and user cached. Unless they have something blocking the support.

Windows 8 also fully supports 4k sector drives (you know the drives you can only get now over 512 for mechanical) removing a translation layer on the drives.
 
2013-01-31 05:07:08 PM
I see that <b>submitter</b> didn't mention a bootleg copy of Windows Vista in the headline. Which makes sense, I suppose, as pirating Vista is a bit like stealing cancer.


/my laptop shipped with Vista. And HD-DVD. Consequently it's been running XP for the last six years. And Blazing Saddles on HD-DVD is indeed glorious, by the way.
 
2013-01-31 05:08:01 PM
I'm going to wait until Windows 9 when they introduce transparent tiles.
 
2013-01-31 05:09:23 PM
Windows 8 looks like its design is contrary to my needs.
I'm never owning a Mac. Ever.
Ubuntu has gone loony with the whole "Unity" interface.

I guess it's time to start looking around for a decent Linux distro again.
 
2013-01-31 05:09:48 PM

HeartBurnKid: The "Shut down" function is hopelessly obscured


I agree with almost all of your criticisms, but I have to say that the Shut Down button really doesn't need to be prominent in any modern OS. Outside of OS upgrades or long-term storage, there is no reason to shut down a modern PC, especially considering how well Win 8 sleeps/hibernates compared to older versions. Even on Windows 7, a full shutdown/restart is something that I only do when required by an app. The rest of the time, I just use sleep mode.
 
2013-01-31 05:09:51 PM
It also gives you a true hypervisor for running VMs which makes them much snappier but not all OS are supported but Ubuntu is for example.
 
2013-01-31 05:10:45 PM

Mad_Radhu: Outside of OS upgrades


That should be updates.
 
2013-01-31 05:14:31 PM

HeartBurnKid: drjekel_mrhyde: HeartBurnKid: drjekel_mrhyde: [i.imgur.com image 530x413]
[i.imgur.com image 430x350]

I love how the argument for Windows 8 has now come down to "WELL YOU'RE JUST AFRAID OF CHANGE DURR~!"

It's an incremental upgrade at best, with a UI that's half-baked for tablets, and complete shiat for desktops, slathered on top.  Why would <I>anybody</I> want that kind of "change"?

What's wrong with using it on a desktop?

You cannot boot directly to desktop mode
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the application launcher (Metro/Start Screen) in desktop mode (i.e. Start button or Windows flag button)
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the Charms bar
There is no indicator of what items in the Charms bar actually pertain to the app you're using
The application launcher that used to come up discreetly in the corner of the screen now takes up the full screen, breaking your workflow with no appreciable benefit
Tiles for installed apps are strewn haphazardly across Metro without rhyme or reason
The "Shut down" function is hopelessly obscured
Metro apps are nowhere near as simple to multitask as traditional Windows apps
Some desktop settings are only changeable through Metro
Some Metro settings are only changeable through the desktop

And that's just the obvious issues.


Most of that was covered right after I installed it in the tutorial. Booting to desktop............. You click on desktop. the rest is pretty easy. The metro UI is just a over glorified start menu. My cousins who come over on weekends had nothing negative to say about it since none of them go on tech sites. i was sure they would have a problem logging on to the guest account after hibernation(would confuse most), but they didn't.
 
2013-01-31 05:14:58 PM
I upgraded from XP to 8 with this offer and can strongly recommend it. As long as you also get Classic Shell (free) to give you back the Start button.

On my two year old dual core machine (I had upgraded the mobo and chip) it runs far faster and smother, has useful stuff like auto backup, handles dual monitors better and is (apparently) far more secure. I upgraded my second PC, and older one, last week and that runs better as well.

It's a great deal, which MS would not have had to do had they made Metro an option instead of trying to ram it down our throats.
 
2013-01-31 05:15:09 PM
I'd be willing to pay 15-40 bucks to never have to work on another windoze box.
 
2013-01-31 05:17:56 PM

Nadie_AZ: I think the XP box I built a few months ago to play Fallout 3/NV wouldn't play those games under 8. At least not as well as it has been.


casual disregard: So as a gamer I have to ask: is exclusive DirectX 11.1 worth Win8 or should I stick with the slightly smaller bloat of Win7?


pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.


Folks, Windows 8 has lower system requirements than Windows 7.  And, from a kernel standpoint, it's virtually the same as 7, so no there are not be compatibility issues.  It's equal or faster than 7 in just about everything.

There are quite a few Win8 offers over other versions besides the start screen that everybody get stuck on.  Much faster startup time and faster file copying, to name a few.
 
2013-01-31 05:19:40 PM

OnlyM3: I'd be willing to pay 15-40 bucks to never have to work on another windoze box.


You know you can just stop, right?  It's free to just not continue doing what you're doing.

/Spelling it Windoze is edgy
//Linux sucks, get over it
 
2013-01-31 05:19:45 PM
I installed ShartBlock Pro on my computer just to make sure WinBlow 8 cannot be installed.

XP served me from late '03 till this past summer.  I'm sure 7 will suffice until 9 or possibly even 11 comes out.
 
2013-01-31 05:23:10 PM

HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks, get over it


It really doesn't. A comma should not be used to join two independent thoughts unless there's a conjunction of some sort.
 
2013-01-31 05:25:32 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: HeartBurnKid: drjekel_mrhyde: HeartBurnKid: drjekel_mrhyde: [i.imgur.com image 530x413]
[i.imgur.com image 430x350]

I love how the argument for Windows 8 has now come down to "WELL YOU'RE JUST AFRAID OF CHANGE DURR~!"

It's an incremental upgrade at best, with a UI that's half-baked for tablets, and complete shiat for desktops, slathered on top.  Why would <I>anybody</I> want that kind of "change"?

What's wrong with using it on a desktop?

You cannot boot directly to desktop mode
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the application launcher (Metro/Start Screen) in desktop mode (i.e. Start button or Windows flag button)
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the Charms bar
There is no indicator of what items in the Charms bar actually pertain to the app you're using
The application launcher that used to come up discreetly in the corner of the screen now takes up the full screen, breaking your workflow with no appreciable benefit
Tiles for installed apps are strewn haphazardly across Metro without rhyme or reason
The "Shut down" function is hopelessly obscured
Metro apps are nowhere near as simple to multitask as traditional Windows apps
Some desktop settings are only changeable through Metro
Some Metro settings are only changeable through the desktop

And that's just the obvious issues.

Most of that was covered right after I installed it in the tutorial.


The fact that there's a tutorial doesn't make them any less poor design choices.

Booting to desktop............. You click on desktop.

Which is still one more step than was needed before, with no way to get around it because Microsoft desperately wants you to use Metro.

the rest is pretty easy. The metro UI is just a over glorified start menu.

Yes, as I pointed out, it's a start menu that's ridiculously poorly organized, and takes over your entire screen and breaks your workflow every time you use it.

My cousins who come over on weekends had nothing negative to say about it since none of them go on tech sites. i was sure they would have a problem logging on to the guest account after hibernation(would confuse most), but they didn't.

Well, bully for them.
 
2013-01-31 05:25:51 PM
I'm pretty sure you can't buy the $40.00 win 8 just to be able to downgrade to Win 7.

You need to have the full version of Win 8 on a computer that came with it to get the downgrade rights.
 
2013-01-31 05:25:59 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: [i.imgur.com image 530x413]
[i.imgur.com image 430x350]


Nice trolling but those hardly apply in this case.  Windows 8 is simply not worth the upgrade effort (much less the cost).
 
2013-01-31 05:27:09 PM
syrynxx:

Pro also supports Remote Desktop, which is nice for me since I have a computer running my email fat client at the other end of the house.  I can remote into it and keep all my mail in the same place.

Offhand, why would you do this?  Email is amongst the simplest things to have available and have manageable from more than one location.  I can't think for the life of me why I'd ever use RDP to access mail.
 
2013-01-31 05:27:17 PM

syrynxx: client Hyper-V


Just a little note about that: Win8's own HyperV implementation has some particular CPU requirements associated with it, such that it won't run on any pre-Core i CPU or any CPU from Intel that's branded as a Pentium or Celeron, and support on AMD is also kind of random and spotty.

If you want to run Windows 8 in a VM, you need to be up to date with whatever hypervisor you're actually using because of some new stuff in the boot code. Stupid Windows 8 made me upgrade an ESXi machine last week. Grumble grumble.
 
2013-01-31 05:29:51 PM
spacebison.com
Still free.
 
2013-01-31 05:31:48 PM

GreenAdder: HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks; get over it.

It really doesn't. A comma should not be used to join two independent thoughts unless there's a conjunction of some sort.


Does the semicolon make you feel better?  And why did you stop at the comma?  I forgot a period at the end, as well.  English majors the world over can breathe easier now that they know you're here to stick up for the poor, defenseless written language.

/And Linux does suck.
//Hard!
 
2013-01-31 05:31:56 PM

likefunbutnot: syrynxx: client Hyper-V

Just a little note about that: Win8's own HyperV implementation has some particular CPU requirements associated with it, such that it won't run on any pre-Core i CPU or any CPU from Intel that's branded as a Pentium or Celeron, and support on AMD is also kind of random and spotty.

If you want to run Windows 8 in a VM, you need to be up to date with whatever hypervisor you're actually using because of some new stuff in the boot code. Stupid Windows 8 made me upgrade an ESXi machine last week. Grumble grumble.


It did?  Like just patching ESXi 5.0 or going up to 5.1?  Because I'm pretty sure I've got some Win8s on an ESXi 5.0 and I just inherently keep those boys patched.
 
2013-01-31 05:32:00 PM
$40. By today. Interesting proposition.

How much to just keep the bootleg copy of Windows 7?
How much additional for a bootleg copy of Windows 8, if there's ever a time when running Windows 8 seems like a good idea for some reason?
And what's the deadline on that?
 
2013-01-31 05:34:10 PM

Somaticasual: Microsoft, please stop treating a desktop PC like a mobile pad, and you'll win back the windows 95 to win 7 users.
You could have met us in the middle and kept the start bar, but you didn't.
You could have met us in the middle and not changed for change's sake, but you didn't.
Get back to computers, stop trying to rip off apple's own ripoffs, and be your nerdy accountant bad-boy self.


Perhaps Microsoft and the rest of the PC industry have discovered they're not making money off of the build-it-yourself-and-load-bootlegged-Windows-XP?  This isn't exactly news in 2013.
 
2013-01-31 05:34:32 PM
Windows 8 is the Mars of software.
 
2013-01-31 05:35:24 PM

Intrepid00: amundb: Why would I pay $15-$40 to make my PC practically unusable?

Oh no, 90% of the OS is the same, it is faster, safer and has some really nice cloud integration but fark that the start menu changed that I barely used anyway on a desktop cause of pinning so it is unusable.


Does it blow your fragile mind that others may feel differently about something so subjective?
 
2013-01-31 05:38:19 PM

CmndrFish: Nadie_AZ: I think the XP box I built a few months ago to play Fallout 3/NV wouldn't play those games under 8. At least not as well as it has been.

casual disregard: So as a gamer I have to ask: is exclusive DirectX 11.1 worth Win8 or should I stick with the slightly smaller bloat of Win7?

pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.

Folks, Windows 8 has lower system requirements than Windows 7.  And, from a kernel standpoint, it's virtually the same as 7, so no there are not be compatibility issues.  It's equal or faster than 7 in just about everything.

There are quite a few Win8 offers over other versions besides the start screen that everybody get stuck on.  Much faster startup time and faster file copying, to name a few.


I'll go out on a limb and believe you, so please tell me why MS is doing such a shiat job of marketing Win8? I kind of want to get a Win8 system just to tool around with it.
 
2013-01-31 05:38:53 PM

unyon: I can't think for the life of me why I'd ever use RDP to access mail.


Perhaps there are some security requirements for maintaining site security such that mail has to stay local?
Maybe he works one of those places where people email each other 200MB .PPTs or CD .ISOs?

HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks, get over it


Linux is really great, actually. It's a Swiss army knife of free functionality. Yes, it sucks that documentation isn't centralized and there's no standard for interfaces or presentation, but a Linux system in the right hands can work tens of thousands of dollars worth of miracles with minimal prodding, too.
 
2013-01-31 05:40:54 PM
Eh... I'll stick with Win7 64bit... There is no compelling reason for me to switch to Win8.
 
2013-01-31 05:44:13 PM

BumpInTheNight: It did? Like just patching ESXi 5.0 or going up to 5.1? Because I'm pretty sure I've got some Win8s on an ESXi 5.0 and I just inherently keep those boys patched.


EMC says it will run on patched 5.0, but it didn't work for me until I moved to 5.1.
 
2013-01-31 05:51:14 PM

likefunbutnot: unyon: I can't think for the life of me why I'd ever use RDP to access mail.

Perhaps there are some security requirements for maintaining site security such that mail has to stay local?
Maybe he works one of those places where people email each other 200MB .PPTs or CD .ISOs?

HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks, get over it

Linux is really great, actually. It's a Swiss army knife of free functionality. Yes, it sucks that documentation isn't centralized and there's no standard for interfaces or presentation, but a Linux system in the right hands can work tens of thousands of dollars worth of miracles with minimal prodding, too.


Windows = Autobots

Linux = Deceptiocons

Any idiot can fix and use Windows, even Bumble Bee. Linux though usually is overlay complicated and only that snarky asshole Rumble knows how it actually works.
 
2013-01-31 05:51:22 PM

likefunbutnot: unyon: I can't think for the life of me why I'd ever use RDP to access mail.

Perhaps there are some security requirements for maintaining site security such that mail has to stay local?
Maybe he works one of those places where people email each other 200MB .PPTs or CD .ISOs?


If there's a requirement that mail stays local, then you sure as hell wouldn't be permitted to RDP to it.  If it's absurdly large attachments like you've described, then they have bigger problems.  Besides, you could easily set up a local mail client to disregard large attachments unless download is requested.

Good effort, but I'm not buying either of those as possibilities.
 
2013-01-31 05:54:25 PM
Consider the vast horde of poor bastards still running winXP as a gaming platform which makes the target directX9 at max and the number of games with exclusive DX11 engine based games can be counted with one's anus...no, not at all.  Avoid the stillborn mess and wait for 9.  DirectX advancements are constantly touted but again, until the XP truly dies off no sane engine will be exclusive DX10+.

I'd have thought the XBox 360 is a bigger hold up on this than Windows XP. Seriously, if you're a PC "gamer" running an 11 year old operating system, your hardware can't be up to much, and you're not going to be spending big bucks on the latest games.

The 360's graphics are equivalent to DirectX 9, so cross platform games and engines are being written for that. When the next Xbox comes out, with the updated graphics API, then we should see PC games utilising DirectX 11.
 
2013-01-31 06:02:05 PM

simplicimus: mainstreet62: Windows 8 can suck my dick.

Well, that's a reason to upgrade.


Well played. VERY well played.
 
2013-01-31 06:03:14 PM
They're going to have to pay me a lot more than $40.
 
2013-01-31 06:28:38 PM
I have a legal XP CD licensed for 600 installations, so you can keep windows 8. Why go back to something that looks like Windows 3.11?

/loves Windows 7
 
2013-01-31 06:29:21 PM

Intrepid00: likefunbutnot: unyon: I can't think for the life of me why I'd ever use RDP to access mail.

Perhaps there are some security requirements for maintaining site security such that mail has to stay local?
Maybe he works one of those places where people email each other 200MB .PPTs or CD .ISOs?

HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks, get over it

Linux is really great, actually. It's a Swiss army knife of free functionality. Yes, it sucks that documentation isn't centralized and there's no standard for interfaces or presentation, but a Linux system in the right hands can work tens of thousands of dollars worth of miracles with minimal prodding, too.

Windows = Autobots

Linux = Deceptiocons

Any idiot can fix and use Windows, even Bumble Bee. Linux though usually is overlay complicated and only that snarky asshole Rumble knows how it actually works.


Apple = Gobots?
 
2013-01-31 06:42:16 PM
I'm waiting for Windows 9. Buy every other upgrade with windows.
 
2013-01-31 06:46:00 PM

unyon: Good effort, but I'm not buying either of those as possibilities.


Maybe he does not want to submit his personal mobile device to enterprise administration.
Or his work doesn't have a transport mechanism set up that lets him import their in-house SSL certs.
Or he's not licensed to use the same email client at home that he uses at work.

I can keep going. I'm not necessarily saying these are GOOD reasons, but syrynxx is generally clueful and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that it's justifiable.
 
2013-01-31 06:47:11 PM
Windows 8 sucks.

It is not even as useful as DOS when it comes to  usability.
 
2013-01-31 06:47:48 PM

syrynxx: I think this was the most direct link I found.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/buy?ocid=CPRP_r_january13 _n a_body_1_1


I just followed that link from Firefox on Linux, and got this (LMFAO):

It's time to upgrade your browser
You're using an outdated version of Internet Explorer. Many websites-including Windows.com-no longer support Internet Explorer 6, which means you won't be able to access the site until you upgrade your browser.
 
2013-01-31 06:47:49 PM

HeartBurnKid: Tiles for installed apps are strewn haphazardly across Metro without rhyme or reason


That is not actually true. The rhyme is:

Microsoft's apps get the first group
It there are more, they can flow
OEM apps get the next group
if there are more, Win8 says NO!
User apps are in the last group
unless they happen to be Metro
since Metro apps can join the first group
as long as there's a hole to go
Whichever square tile joins a group
past no wide tiles can it reflow
and if an app is some desktop poop
into last position it must go

/I'm pretty sure the reason is that the person who wrote the code was autistic
 
2013-01-31 06:50:48 PM
HeartBurnKid:

What's wrong with using it on a desktop?

You cannot boot directly to desktop mode
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the application launcher (Metro/Start Screen) in desktop mode (i.e. Start button or Windows flag button)
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the Charms bar
There is no indicator of what items in the Charms bar actually pertain to the app you're using
The application launcher that used to come up discreetly in the corner of the screen now takes up the full screen, breaking your workflow with no appreciable benefit
Tiles for installed apps are strewn haphazardly across Metro without rhyme or reason
The "Shut down" function is hopelessly obscured
Metro apps are nowhere near as simple to multitask as traditional Windows apps
Some desktop settings are only changeable through Metro
Some Metro settings are only changeable through the desktop

And that's just the obvious issues.


This is a good start. The biggest overarching message is that they've made a bunch of navigation changes that are completely non-intuitive. I took a friend - a former MS full time employee for 10+ years - to the store, showed her a demo laptop and asked her to do some simple things, like "Close this Window" and "Go back to the desktop" and she couldn't figure it out. This is someone who spent years living inside the Windows environment.

I recently made a business trip, and needed to connect to different wifi spots. The OS tried to handle the connection and failed every time. Each time I opened up an instance of Chrome and connected with no problem. I realize this is IE 10 compatibility issues, but they've made it look like part of the OS, so it makes it look like the OS is at fault. That's just sloppy.

And there's other strange behavior I can't really quantify. PDFs sometimes open in Acrobat, sometimes open in Metro, and sometimes won't open at all (in which case I open them in Chrome, which works fine.) There doesn't seem to be any clear reason for this. Lots of other apps have the same kind if inconsistency.

Somebody posted a link to a review of Office 2013 the other day that mentioned the problem with the controls being recolored to an 'unobtrusive' shade... which results in them being impossible to find. That's true of other controls inside Win8 as well.

Sure, the core OS is rock solid. It's all the shell decisions that make it annoying. And there isn't one single thing to point at, just a giant pile of "Why the hell did they do this?" I really hope they deploy a Win7 shell option soon.
 
2013-01-31 06:54:59 PM
shanrick:I just downloaded this. It works great. I can't wait to


Let it suck your dick?
Get your shill bonus from Microsoft?
Chuck your computer out the window?
Downgrade to Win 7 so you can finish your sentence?

Don't leave us in suspense.
 
2013-01-31 06:57:11 PM

BumpInTheNight: likefunbutnot: syrynxx: client Hyper-V

Just a little note about that: Win8's own HyperV implementation has some particular CPU requirements associated with it, such that it won't run on any pre-Core i CPU or any CPU from Intel that's branded as a Pentium or Celeron, and support on AMD is also kind of random and spotty.

If you want to run Windows 8 in a VM, you need to be up to date with whatever hypervisor you're actually using because of some new stuff in the boot code. Stupid Windows 8 made me upgrade an ESXi machine last week. Grumble grumble.

It did?  Like just patching ESXi 5.0 or going up to 5.1?  Because I'm pretty sure I've got some Win8s on an ESXi 5.0 and I just inherently keep those boys patched.


I'm wondering why why any one would want to use a Microsoft hyper-v. Seriously, why?
 
2013-01-31 07:12:53 PM

HatMadeOfAss: GreenAdder: HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks; get over it.

It really doesn't. A comma should not be used to join two independent thoughts unless there's a conjunction of some sort.

Does the semicolon make you feel better?  And why did you stop at the comma?  I forgot a period at the end, as well.  English majors the world over can breathe easier now that they know you're here to stick up for the poor, defenseless written language.

/And Linux does suck.
//Hard!


i18.photobucket.com
 
wee [TotalFark]
2013-01-31 07:13:43 PM

xanadian: Don't tell me they have "tiles" for a f*cking server OS... :/

/hasn't had the "fortune" to deal with Server 2012 yet


I've never used Windows 8, so I don't know if it's the same, but the UI looks like it was designed by a pack of half-blind, retarded monkeys recovering from crack and taught hide-and-seek in order to get their food pellets.
 
2013-01-31 07:22:14 PM
I just bit.

I'll play around with it on a secondary machine. My primary machine will stay on 7 for the foreseeable future.

/Mostly for FO3 and some other games that seem to have issues
 
2013-01-31 07:22:51 PM

likefunbutnot: unyon: Good effort, but I'm not buying either of those as possibilities.

Maybe he does not want to submit his personal mobile device to enterprise administration.
Or his work doesn't have a transport mechanism set up that lets him import their in-house SSL certs.
Or he's not licensed to use the same email client at home that he uses at work.

I can keep going. I'm not necessarily saying these are GOOD reasons, but syrynxx is generally clueful and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that it's justifiable.


I wasn't suggesting cluelessness, I'm legitimately interested in the business case.  Its not going to be a mobile device, since he wouldn't need Win8 for that.  It's unlikely to be the second, since it sounds like the system that he's remoting into is also a personal system, which presumably would have had the same cert issues.  The last one is a possibility, especially if it is a non-Outlook client.  It's a pretty rare Exchange setup that doesn't have OWA or its current variants available.  I can't think of any alternate or legacy clients where that would probably be the case, either.  I'll admit that this last one is a possibility, but I can think of at least 3 ways that that is a solvable issue that don't require RDP.

To be honest, I was also fishing for more detail because I'm pretty sure that bright minds like yours and likefunbut not might be able to offer a more elegant solution.
 
2013-01-31 07:26:02 PM

SpaceBison: [spacebison.com image 130x135]
Still free.


Yeah, but if you're too dumb to figure out how to turn off Metro, you're too dumb to figure out how to turn off Unity. Maybe Mint?
 
2013-01-31 07:27:44 PM
You could do that subby, but then you have two problems.
 
2013-01-31 07:32:00 PM
I built a htpc and put Windows 8 on it for several reasons I won't get into...

It's a little disappointing, aesthetically, jumping back and forth between Metro and the desktop but it's not the disaster people say.

That said I wouldn't recommend anyone upgrade to 8 from 7 mostly because I find 7 to be really solid and , why spend the money...
 
2013-01-31 07:33:38 PM
new business model: if no one is buying your product, raise the price drastically.

nothing could possibly go wrong
 
2013-01-31 07:39:58 PM
Im sticking with 7x64 pro. Hell, it cost me 180, and i dont have to muck about just trying to lock the compy or turn it off. Really MSFT ? 7 clicks to power down ?
 
2013-01-31 07:43:37 PM
Microsoft releases crappy, over-priced operating system.  STILL ALIVE
 
2013-01-31 07:46:21 PM
Love Windows 8. Besides the cheap price the fact no one has legitimately cracked its activation yet helped me to go legit too. Hunting down illegal KMS servers every 180 days is lame.

I love people are still regurgitating buzzword laced Windows 8 hat.e. "IT MAKES MY COMPUTER NOT USABLE!@# LOLOOL WIND)WS8SUX0rZ
 
2013-01-31 07:46:38 PM
If I had a touch screen on either my laptop or either of my desktop monitors, I would definitely do this, but as it is, Win7 is good enough for now.

I know it's the cool think to knock Win 8 right now, but it is actually pretty good from what I I've done with it, I just don't need a new PC now, and both my current systems are fine with Win7.
 
2013-01-31 07:51:14 PM

alienated: Im sticking with 7x64 pro. Hell, it cost me 180, and i dont have to muck about just trying to lock the compy or turn it off. Really MSFT ? 7 clicks to power down ?


It's actually only 3 but you can also have a 12 inch dick if you start taking measurements from your asshole
 
2013-01-31 07:51:24 PM

sammyk: I'm wondering why why any one would want to use a Microsoft hyper-v. Seriously, why?


Server-side, there's a very easy path to Microsoft's virtual desktop infrastructure, which is pretty nifty if you're into that sort of thing. It's also pretty easy to script and manage stuff with Powershell  rather than having to shell out for Vsphere or having to find a roll-your-own solution for damned near everything with ESXi.

Client side, Virtual PC files are smaller than VMware's. XP Mode is a free client license for virtualization purposes and client-installed apps are published transparently to your main Windows desktop so that end users don't have to know they're using a VM.
 
2013-01-31 07:54:50 PM
The Windows 8 Pro upgrade edition will be available online and at retail for $199.99 MSRP (U.S.).
The Windows 8 upgrade edition will be available online and at retail for $119.99 MSRP (U.S.).
The Windows 8 Pro Pack will cost $99.99 MSRP (U.S.).


media.comicvine.com
 
2013-01-31 07:57:04 PM

jso2897: HatMadeOfAss: GreenAdder: HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks; get over it.

It really doesn't. A comma should not be used to join two independent thoughts unless there's a conjunction of some sort.

Does the semicolon make you feel better?  And why did you stop at the comma?  I forgot a period at the end, as well.  English majors the world over can breathe easier now that they know you're here to stick up for the poor, defenseless written language.

/And Linux does suck.
//Hard!

[i18.photobucket.com image 400x353]


Something, something, your mother's a whore.

/She may not be
//But probably is
 
2013-01-31 07:58:06 PM

alienated: Hell, it cost me 180, and i dont have to muck about just trying to lock the compy or turn it off. Really MSFT ? 7 clicks to power down ?


Where the heck are you going to do that?  Move the mouse to the lower right, then click "settings" when the charms bar pops up, click "power", then click "shut down".  It's maybe one more click than before, and if that's too much trouble you can probably just tap the power button on whatever you're using and that'll shutdown or sleep or hibernate or whatever.
 
2013-01-31 08:03:53 PM

seanpg71: alienated: Hell, it cost me 180, and i dont have to muck about just trying to lock the compy or turn it off. Really MSFT ? 7 clicks to power down ?

Where the heck are you going to do that?  Move the mouse to the lower right, then click "settings" when the charms bar pops up, click "power", then click "shut down".  It's maybe one more click than before, and if that's too much trouble you can probably just tap the power button on whatever you're using and that'll shutdown or sleep or hibernate or whatever.


Yeah, I don't give a shiat if Widows 8 fails but it's weird how much backlash comes from people who have clearly never used it.
 
2013-01-31 08:11:14 PM
Alright. I just upgraded and I must say, I'm a little miffed.

All these months of whinging and screeching about the interface and then I'm faced with this upon first load:

- Simple image showing how to active sidebar
- The dreaded tiles
- Click away a couple annoying rolling news ones
- DESKTOP tile appears
- Click on Desktop

Well fark me sideways. It's my same Win 7 desktop, complete with display fusion, Rainmeter and every other customization, shortcut, mapped drive, etc.

So, what was all the fuss about again?
 
2013-01-31 08:13:26 PM

simplicimus: mainstreet62: Windows 8 can suck my dick.

Well, that's a reason to upgrade.


I've been laughing for 5 minutes at that...thanks.
 
2013-01-31 08:13:34 PM
*activate
 
2013-01-31 08:14:59 PM
A, um, person I heard about allegedly had a bootleg copy of W7 on his computer and he downloaded W8 for $40 and when it was finished installing it said:
Windows was not successfully installed, restoring back to the way it was.

And when I rebooted it was back to W7, but now it was a legitimate version, no more nag screens.
Oh, wait, I meant someone I know PRANK CALL!!! PRANK CALL!!! *click*
 
2013-01-31 08:16:22 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: shanrick:I just downloaded this. It works great. I can't wait to


Let it suck your dick?
Get your shill bonus from Microsoft?
Chuck your computer out the window?
Downgrade to Win 7 so you can finish your sentence?

Don't leave us in suspense.


are you flirting with me?
 
2013-01-31 08:22:39 PM
Not if they paid me.
 
2013-01-31 08:24:25 PM

Ed Finnerty: Alright. I just upgraded and I must say, I'm a little miffed.

All these months of whinging and screeching about the interface and then I'm faced with this upon first load:

- Simple image showing how to active sidebar
- The dreaded tiles
- Click away a couple annoying rolling news ones
- DESKTOP tile appears
- Click on Desktop

Well fark me sideways. It's my same Win 7 desktop, complete with display fusion, Rainmeter and every other customization, shortcut, mapped drive, etc.

So, what was all the fuss about again?



That's what those of us who upgraded at launch have been trying to tell people. It's Windows 7, but with a Start screen instead of a start menu. The ability to go to the Start screen and just start typing to bring up any app in the system is VERY handy, and a lot easier than hunting around on the old start menu for what you were looking for.

Otherwise, it's Windows 7, but slightly faster and (deep in the guts) more stable, with various streamlined updates to several things.

People hating on it have never used it beyond clicking around the Start screen for a while. They don't even mess with the rest of it-- They just play with Start and then freak out.

I've been happy with it. It works well.
 
2013-01-31 09:07:08 PM

wee: xanadian: Don't tell me they have "tiles" for a f*cking server OS... :/

/hasn't had the "fortune" to deal with Server 2012 yet

I've never used Windows 8, so I don't know if it's the same, but the UI looks like it was designed by a pack of half-blind, retarded monkeys recovering from crack and taught hide-and-seek in order to get their food pellets.


See, and this is what drives me nuts about Windows 8 bashers. The "UI" you're talking about isn't the primary UI. It's the damned Start screen. You don't need to use it.

THIS IS THE WINDOWS 8 USER INTERFACE:

cdn5.groovypost.com

The only difference is that you don't have a Start globe in the lower left. When you mouse over there, the Start Screen will become available to you if you click on it, and then you get this:

www.eightforums.com

And you can just start TYPING the name of an application here instead of picking one of those big icons. When you do that, the application you're looking for will pop up and you can run it directly, and yes, this applies to desktop programs and not just Windows 8 apps.

So if you want to find calculator, you can just type "calc" and it will pop up. Easy as pie.

If you really want the old Start menu back, so you can search for things the hard way, you can find many ways to get it for free if you do a Google search.

But most of the time, you'll be on that Desktop and never touch the Start Screen. When people cite the Start Screen as the reason they hate Windows 8, I know they haven't used it very long, if at all, because most of us on desktop systems have been ignoring it and using Windows 8 the EXACT SAME WAY we used Windows 7... Except that Windows 8 is faster and easier to Search in.
 
2013-01-31 09:07:10 PM

sammyk: BumpInTheNight: likefunbutnot: syrynxx: client Hyper-V

Just a little note about that: Win8's own HyperV implementation has some particular CPU requirements associated with it, such that it won't run on any pre-Core i CPU or any CPU from Intel that's branded as a Pentium or Celeron, and support on AMD is also kind of random and spotty.

If you want to run Windows 8 in a VM, you need to be up to date with whatever hypervisor you're actually using because of some new stuff in the boot code. Stupid Windows 8 made me upgrade an ESXi machine last week. Grumble grumble.

It did?  Like just patching ESXi 5.0 or going up to 5.1?  Because I'm pretty sure I've got some Win8s on an ESXi 5.0 and I just inherently keep those boys patched.

I'm wondering why why any one would want to use a Microsoft hyper-v. Seriously, why?


I would too, but this is the opposite, using a VMware hypervisor and housing a few Win8 VMs within.
 
2013-01-31 09:07:59 PM

ZeroCorpse: Ed Finnerty: Alright. I just upgraded and I must say, I'm a little miffed.

All these months of whinging and screeching about the interface and then I'm faced with this upon first load:

- Simple image showing how to active sidebar
- The dreaded tiles
- Click away a couple annoying rolling news ones
- DESKTOP tile appears
- Click on Desktop

Well fark me sideways. It's my same Win 7 desktop, complete with display fusion, Rainmeter and every other customization, shortcut, mapped drive, etc.

So, what was all the fuss about again?


That's what those of us who upgraded at launch have been trying to tell people. It's Windows 7, but with a Start screen instead of a start menu. The ability to go to the Start screen and just start typing to bring up any app in the system is VERY handy, and a lot easier than hunting around on the old start menu for what you were looking for.

Otherwise, it's Windows 7, but slightly faster and (deep in the guts) more stable, with various streamlined updates to several things.

People hating on it have never used it beyond clicking around the Start screen for a while. They don't even mess with the rest of it-- They just play with Start and then freak out.

I've been happy with it. It works well.


^ This..  It's one of my favorite versions of Windows yet..
 
2013-01-31 09:09:17 PM

HatMadeOfAss: jso2897: HatMadeOfAss: GreenAdder: HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks; get over it.

It really doesn't. A comma should not be used to join two independent thoughts unless there's a conjunction of some sort.

Does the semicolon make you feel better?  And why did you stop at the comma?  I forgot a period at the end, as well.  English majors the world over can breathe easier now that they know you're here to stick up for the poor, defenseless written language.

/And Linux does suck.
//Hard!

[i18.photobucket.com image 400x353]

Something, something, your mother's a whore.

/She may not be
//But probably is


Well, close enough for rock 'n roll.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-31 09:12:12 PM

shanrick: are you flirting with me?

Thanks for the TF, shanrick. Guess it's a date, then.
 
2013-01-31 09:15:41 PM
ZeroCorpse:  That's what those of us who upgraded at launch have been trying to tell people. It's Windows 7, but with a Start screen instead of a start menu. The ability to go to the Start screen and just start typing to bring up any app in the system is VERY handy, and a lot easier than hunting around on the old start menu for what you were looking for.

Otherwise, it's Windows 7, but slightly faster and (deep in the guts) more stable, with various streamlined updates to several things.

People hating on it have never used it beyond clicking around the Start screen for a while. They don't even mess with the rest of it-- They just play with Start and then freak out.

I've been happy with it. It works well.


Typing stuff at the start menu has been part of Windows since Vista, hasn't it? I don't remember the last time I went searching through the Start Menu.
 
2013-01-31 09:19:49 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: shanrick:I just downloaded this. It works great. I can't wait to


Let it suck your dick?
Get your shill bonus from Microsoft?
Chuck your computer out the window?
Downgrade to Win 7 so you can finish your sentence?

Don't leave us in suspense.


I think you missed the point .....
 
2013-01-31 09:22:14 PM
My crappy computer finally died last week so I bought a new one with win8. It took a while to figure out how to get it out of the stupid tablet mode and into a traditional desktop mode. There are other changes that kinda suck and things are moved around but I've made my peace with it.
I got home today and my wife asks where all the 'cooch shots' came from. I played dumb and she showed me the computer. When you look at pictures with the new image viewer it tiles random pics from your computer as a background. My porn stash is tastefully hidden several layers deep with file names that sound technical and system related and my wife is nearly computer illiterate so I never worried about it before. Thanks for busting me, Windows 8!
 
2013-01-31 09:23:59 PM
Oh, and for all you whiners complaining about how hard it is to reach Shutdown in Windows 8:

http://blog.laptopmag.com/how-to-shutdown-windows-8-in-just-one-clic k

That link pretty much speaks for itself. All you need is a shortcut to   shutdown /s /t 0

If you really miss that Start Menu, you can go here:  http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/download.asp

Start8 will not only give you the Windows 7 style Start Menu, it will give you the ability to boot into Desktop instead of Start.
 
2013-01-31 09:26:04 PM
Oh, yeah... And WINDOWS KEY + X will pop up a menu that has a bunch of Start's options on the desktop.

WINDOWS KEY + D will send you to Desktop from Start, or minimize all windows if you're already in Desktop.
 
2013-01-31 09:43:08 PM
I heard MS will offering it for $20 and including a free blowie if you wait until next month!
.
.
*free blowie not available in MS, AL, or KS. All blowies subject to dental dam restriction. Offer void in San Francisco for obvious reasons.
 
2013-01-31 09:50:17 PM
No.
 
2013-01-31 09:50:29 PM

leviosaurus: HeartBurnKid:

What's wrong with using it on a desktop?

You cannot boot directly to desktop mode
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the application launcher (Metro/Start Screen) in desktop mode (i.e. Start button or Windows flag button)
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the Charms bar
There is no indicator of what items in the Charms bar actually pertain to the app you're using
The application launcher that used to come up discreetly in the corner of the screen now takes up the full screen, breaking your workflow with no appreciable benefit
Tiles for installed apps are strewn haphazardly across Metro without rhyme or reason
The "Shut down" function is hopelessly obscured
Metro apps are nowhere near as simple to multitask as traditional Windows apps
Some desktop settings are only changeable through Metro
Some Metro settings are only changeable through the desktop

And that's just the obvious issues.

This is a good start. The biggest overarching message is that they've made a bunch of navigation changes that are completely non-intuitive. I took a friend - a former MS full time employee for 10+ years - to the store, showed her a demo laptop and asked her to do some simple things, like "Close this Window" and "Go back to the desktop" and she couldn't figure it out. This is someone who spent years living inside the Windows environment.

I recently made a business trip, and needed to connect to different wifi spots. The OS tried to handle the connection and failed every time. Each time I opened up an instance of Chrome and connected with no problem. I realize this is IE 10 compatibility issues, but they've made it look like part of the OS, so it makes it look like the OS is at fault. That's just sloppy.

And there's other strange behavior I can't really quantify. PDFs sometimes open in Acrobat, sometimes open in Metro, and sometimes won't open at all (in which case I open them in Chrome, which works fine.) There doesn't seem to be any clear re ...


+1 to both of these. I just built a new machine and thought I'd give Win8 a go. I hated it straight away for these reasons. Simple tasks are made more difficult for no good reason. The best thing I did was install ClassicShell. Now the OS looks like Windows 7, with the actual benefits of the new OS. I hate metro enough to disable it completely, if only I could figure out how.
 
2013-01-31 09:54:09 PM

Mazzic518: I think you missed the point .....


Someone's got to play along.
 
2013-01-31 09:55:45 PM
Also, why does the video rendering in Windows Media Player on Windows 8 look terrible? I mean, pixelly, blocky, absolutely atrocious, terrible? It's garbage.
 
2013-01-31 10:02:52 PM

SpaceBison: [spacebison.com image 130x135]
Still free.


If you put your time as having no value then sure..
 
2013-01-31 10:10:21 PM

redsquid: My crappy computer finally died last week so I bought a new one with win8. It took a while to figure out how to get it out of the stupid tablet mode and into a traditional desktop mode. There are other changes that kinda suck and things are moved around but I've made my peace with it.
I got home today and my wife asks where all the 'cooch shots' came from. I played dumb and she showed me the computer. When you look at pictures with the new image viewer it tiles random pics from your computer as a background. My porn stash is tastefully hidden several layers deep with file names that sound technical and system related and my wife is nearly computer illiterate so I never worried about it before. Thanks for busting me, Windows 8!


You couldn't see that big arse tile that say desktop? What the hell did you do to have your pics show up as a background? I'm betting you added you porn folder to your personalization options
 
2013-01-31 10:11:16 PM

gopher321: I'm quite satisfied with my LEGAL version of Windows 7 64-bit.  If Windows 8 was offered for free, I'd still say no.


A big ol' YUP from me too.

I'll hold off on upgrading until they've fixed that abortion of an OS.
 
2013-01-31 10:17:23 PM

ZeroCorpse: The ability to go to the Start screen and just start typing to bring up any app in the system is VERY handy, and a lot easier than hunting around on the old start menu for what you were looking for.


You mean the search bar that was introduced back in vista?
 
2013-01-31 10:25:03 PM

sammyk: I'm wondering why why any one would want to use a Microsoft hyper-v. Seriously, why?


Well it's free, so unless you feel like setting up ESXi it's a cheaper workstation option.  VMWare workstation for Windows is $250.

Otherwise, the only reason I've ever used it is to pass the MS exams.  My dreams of running XP in a VM so I could run some old, old games that wouldn't work in compatibility mode were dashed because Microsoft doesn't include a virtual audio driver for VMs.  Their workaround is to use Remote Desktop and port the sound to your client, but that's spotty at best.
 
2013-01-31 10:33:52 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: You couldn't see that big arse tile that say desktop? What the hell did you do to have your pics show up as a background? I'm betting you added you porn folder to your personalization options


It can pull images from your pictures library unless you tell it not to.  If you save your pr0n to a folder that gets indexed as part of your "library" - onto your desktop it goes.
 
2013-01-31 10:35:06 PM

Intrepid00: Exclusive no, but most games now can run under the latest DX but offer DX9 as a shiat option.


DX11:

img825.imageshack.us

DX9:

img803.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-31 11:42:39 PM
I bought a laptop in October, and they're only giving me until the end of today to buy Win8 for $15.

Of course, I could just download it for $15 now, and save it for when I want to put it on, say, a new PC.  Because, at least with 7, you can install clean from the upgrade disc if you know what you're doing.

But I really don't actually think I'll spend the $15 just yet.  My desktop is under 2 years old, my laptop under six months, I don't think I'll need a new OS for another 2+ years.
 
2013-01-31 11:43:18 PM
i857.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-31 11:45:32 PM
Had a code for the $15 upgrade offer and used it to upgrade the Win 7 VM inside of Parallels on my iMac. The big issue I can see here is that the hot corners don't work that great when the VM is full screened because Parallels has it's own hot corners.
 
2013-02-01 12:12:34 AM

DemonEater: I bought a laptop in October, and they're only giving me until the end of today to buy Win8 for $15.

Because, at least with 7, you can install clean from the upgrade disc if you know what you're doing.


You can with Windows 8 upgrade also... Burn ISO to USB and install as normal. It will still install on an empty drive even if it's an upgrade. Once installed and running you then change a single value in the registry from 0 to 1 and rearm the software licensing manager (C:\slmgr /rearm).. Reboot and your upgrade is now activated even though you installed it on an empty hard drive..
 
2013-02-01 12:24:02 AM
I am not changing the OS on my ancient PC until it can play Final Fantasy VII again. Damn you, XP.
 
2013-02-01 12:27:06 AM
You big jerk.  You had me worried.  I replaced the CPU on my PC and the auto windows 7 key registration doesn't work.

I don't feel like calling India.  My copy of 7 is legal but unregistered.  Virus schmirus.
 
2013-02-01 01:25:40 AM

Lsherm: drjekel_mrhyde: You couldn't see that big arse tile that say desktop? What the hell did you do to have your pics show up as a background? I'm betting you added you porn folder to your personalization options

It can pull images from your pictures library unless you tell it not to.  If you save your pr0n to a folder that gets indexed as part of your "library" - onto your desktop it goes.


Something is wrong because my pictures don't show up as a background unless I put them there. I have tons of fark type pictures that I would never want anyone to see.

Try this: Control panel then click personalization then click (at the bottom) Desktop Backgrounds, click uncheck all and see what's highlighted in picture location
 
2013-02-01 02:04:18 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Lsherm: drjekel_mrhyde: You couldn't see that big arse tile that say desktop? What the hell did you do to have your pics show up as a background? I'm betting you added you porn folder to your personalization options

It can pull images from your pictures library unless you tell it not to.  If you save your pr0n to a folder that gets indexed as part of your "library" - onto your desktop it goes.

Something is wrong because my pictures don't show up as a background unless I put them there. I have tons of fark type pictures that I would never want anyone to see.

Try this: Control panel then click personalization then click (at the bottom) Desktop Backgrounds, click uncheck all and see what's highlighted in picture location


Nah, it's the default install of 8 offers the pictures folders as a slideshow desktop background if you set it for your pictures.  He answered a wrong question somewhere.
 
2013-02-01 02:19:38 AM

Mcavity: MightyPez: xanadian: wee: As someone who was forced to spend an hour working with Windows Server 2012, don't farking bother.

Don't tell me they have "tiles" for a f*cking server OS... :/

/hasn't had the "fortune" to deal with Server 2012 yet

Here's the odd thing: They added Metro to server (stupid), but it's better implemented than Windows 8 (even more stupid). It's not as invasive as 8's Metro and doesn't trip me up nearly as much. It's still batshiat insane that they foisted it on server, though.


you want insane..
ponder this for a momnet..

Major componet of server 2012 is power shell.
Power shell is basicly a very powerfull scripting for command line.

so why are you putting a touch screen interface on a command line system?




Monitoring by less skilled.
 
2013-02-01 02:34:25 AM

Lsherm: My dreams of running XP in a VM so I could run some old, old games that wouldn't work in compatibility mode were dashed because Microsoft doesn't include a virtual audio driver for VMs.


I know your pain, and I'm a retro-gaming fan. You can hold out hope that GoG.com gets around to releasing those titles - which does happen. Some titles work in DOSbox or in Xen/VirtualBox - which does have some support for Direct3D, or you can do what I did, which is just assemble a system specifically for retro gaming on Windows 98.

I suggest the following:

* Some kind of late-model Pentium 4
Why a Pentium 4? Because you can still find new-in-box LGA775 motherboards that work with them. NIB AMD boards are super hard to find and have tons of driver weirdness. My system is built on an Intel board with an 865 chipset as I recall.

* 160GB hard drive. Technically, you can make Windows 98 work with bigger drives, but it's a hassle and you won't need that much space for games that old. Just for giggles I put an old SSD in mine. Yes, you can make a SATA drive work in Win98.

* 1GB RAM. Win98 won't use even that much. Whatever.

* nVidia 6x00 (probably a 6800) or ATI x800 or x850. These are the fastest cards that had official drivers from their manufacturers. Yes, PCIe graphics will work in Winodws 98. I suggest cleaning and oiling the fan assembly when you build the rig. It's not like those cards are easy to come by. My system has a Radeon 9800.

* Creative AWE64. They're super-common and very well supported by games. From a retro-gaming standpoint, all the extra MIDI voices and sound banks are handy.

If you're retro-gaming, you're better off with Win98 because there are games that barf if they detect that you're running on NT, and you always have the option to drop back to DOS for even more retro stuff. There is a huge challenge in finding working internet software and there's really no reason to bother with security software. Honestly, it's probably not worth the hassle to put that system online, but if you're a masochist, Firefox 2.0 will run on 98.
 
2013-02-01 02:48:08 AM

Mcavity: ponder this for a momnet..

Major componet of server 2012 is power shell.
Power shell is basicly a very powerfull scripting for command line.

so why are you putting a touch screen interface on a command line system?


1. You almost never see the start screen even on typical client systems once you get the Desktop set to your liking. If you don't know how to pin an app to the taskbar by now I'm sorry for all the ways your parents and teachers failed you.
2. The Glyphs on the lock screen and/or Live Tiles could be made super-handy for basic monitoring. Right now they aren't used that way, but there's nothing stopping somebody from making that software.
3. On the couple Server 2012 systems I have, my RAID monitor pops me to the Desktop the second I log in anyway. I don't even have to click the desktop tile. I've never run a Metro app on Server 2012, but I could see wanting one for something like log analysis. What's wrong with having that option?
4. I'm also fully capable of administering a *nix system entirely from a command line, but if CDE or Afterstep or GNOME happens to be present it's not like I'm going to get upset about it. It's not a challenge to my manhood to use a pointing device.
 
2013-02-01 02:56:16 AM
I see this thread didn't lack in people knocking down something they admittedly haven't even tried. Just riding the wave of "Windows 8 sucks" b/c it's the cool thing to do now.
 
2013-02-01 05:42:13 AM

meatofmystery: I see this thread didn't lack in people knocking down something they admittedly haven't even tried. Just riding the wave of "Windows 8 sucks" b/c it's the cool thing to do now.


Captain Obvious, welcome to the party son!  Now please, don't put your dick in the mash potatoes.
 
2013-02-01 06:52:55 AM
nope
 
2013-02-01 07:07:02 AM

likefunbutnot: Lsherm: My dreams of running XP in a VM so I could run some old, old games that wouldn't work in compatibility mode were dashed because Microsoft doesn't include a virtual audio driver for VMs.

I know your pain, and I'm a retro-gaming fan. You can hold out hope that GoG.com gets around to releasing those titles - which does happen. Some titles work in DOSbox or in Xen/VirtualBox - which does have some support for Direct3D, or you can do what I did, which is just assemble a system specifically for retro gaming on Windows 98.

I suggest the following:

* Some kind of late-model Pentium 4
Why a Pentium 4? Because you can still find new-in-box LGA775 motherboards that work with them. NIB AMD boards are super hard to find and have tons of driver weirdness. My system is built on an Intel board with an 865 chipset as I recall.

* 160GB hard drive. Technically, you can make Windows 98 work with bigger drives, but it's a hassle and you won't need that much space for games that old. Just for giggles I put an old SSD in mine. Yes, you can make a SATA drive work in Win98.

* 1GB RAM. Win98 won't use even that much. Whatever.

* nVidia 6x00 (probably a 6800) or ATI x800 or x850. These are the fastest cards that had official drivers from their manufacturers. Yes, PCIe graphics will work in Winodws 98. I suggest cleaning and oiling the fan assembly when you build the rig. It's not like those cards are easy to come by. My system has a Radeon 9800.

* Creative AWE64. They're super-common and very well supported by games. From a retro-gaming standpoint, all the extra MIDI voices and sound banks are handy.

If you're retro-gaming, you're better off with Win98 because there are games that barf if they detect that you're running on NT, and you always have the option to drop back to DOS for even more retro stuff. There is a huge challenge in finding working internet software and there's really no reason to bother with security software. Honestly, it's probably not worth the hassle to pu ...


This is pretty much what I have done - the wife and I both like retro games, so I set up a couple of old Dells with 500 & 700 mhz PIII chips, 512mb ram, and Sound Blasters and old nVidia AGP cards. Old Tombraider games, Lego Racers, Doom & Doom II, Duke3D - all the old Dos-era games play much better than I have ever been able to get them to perform on emulators. And they cost me nothing - the computers were discarded or given to me, and the parts were old leftovers. And getting them on the net is no problem - Firefox 2.0 will still render enough sites that you can D/L savegames or patches or whatever limited Internet stuff you need on a gaming box.
 
2013-02-01 07:55:23 AM

BumpInTheNight: meatofmystery: I see this thread didn't lack in people knocking down something they admittedly haven't even tried. Just riding the wave of "Windows 8 sucks" b/c it's the cool thing to do now.

Captain Obvious, welcome to the party son!  Now please, don't put your dick in the mash potatoes.


sorry, i don't live on the internet.  i hope you'll be alright
 
2013-02-01 08:34:48 AM
Here's the odd thing: They added Metro to server (stupid), but it's better implemented than Windows 8 (even more stupid). It's not as invasive as 8's Metro and doesn't trip me up nearly as much. It's still batshiat insane that they foisted it on server, though.

My guess is it's for remote access users.    I mean, the ability to remote manage a server using a tablet is pretty awesome (though not sure how practical it actually is.)

Bought a laptop in December that came with Win8 and it's fine once you get used to its UI quirks.  Most of the OS works well and I've only used two metro apps :iHeartRadio (since only the Metro version seems to work in Canada without fiddling with proxies) and Skulls of the Shogun (which is a pretty great game though sadly Win8/360/Windows Phone exclusive.)
 
2013-02-01 08:39:40 AM
Also, yes there's some pretty great performance increases over Win7.  It's very nice having a laptop booted up and logged in within 30 seconds.

I don't see the point of upgrading to Win8 from 7 after the cheap upgrade option expires, though.   It doesn't offer that much to the end user at this point.   If (and it's a big if) Microsoft's app store really kicks off or you own a Win8 phone or tablet as well then it might be worth the upgrade, but it doesn't provide enough to the typical user to be worth it.
 
2013-02-01 09:11:58 AM
I am not going to upgrade to windows 8 even if Microsoft PAYS ME $15-$40.
 
2013-02-01 09:44:13 AM

meatofmystery: I see this thread didn't lack in people knocking down something they admittedly haven't even tried. Just riding the wave of "Windows 8 sucks" b/c it's the cool thing to do now.


I'm running it.  It doesn't suck, but it's not really a compelling upgrade, either.  And the new UI is not good by any objective standard UNLESS you are running it on a touchscreen/tablet.

So for the vast majority of MS's existing customers, Win8 is not worth an upgrade, even for $40.
 
2013-02-01 09:49:32 AM

discgolfguru: I am not changing the OS on my ancient PC until it can play Final Fantasy VII again. Damn you, XP.


Not sure if you realize this, but they did a rerelease that works on modern systems.
 
2013-02-01 10:03:55 AM
Bought win 8 last night, ran the update.  Besides killing most of the live tiles that come as default, I only really notice two interesting things.  First, the text on the tabs in Firefox tends to get garbled for some reason.  Second, the games I run are giving me much higher frames per second for some reason.

I think I'll keep it.
 
2013-02-01 10:17:05 AM

cretinbob: pass


That pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter.
 
2013-02-01 10:43:40 AM
Keechrist. Not even on a bet. It's been available for a while now, and it's draggy piece of sh*t I won't install on any system.
 
2013-02-01 11:37:45 AM

LesserEvil: Windows 8 sucks.

It is not even as useful as DOS when it comes to  usability.


That video was painful... that guy spends ~20 minutes complaining about things he doesn't understand and ~3 minutes complaining about actual annoying parts of the OS. He needs to get his tech geek card revoked.
 
2013-02-01 01:29:29 PM

MikeSass: 1. d/l bootleg Win7
2. pay $15 for Win8
3. "downgrade" to Win7
4. Win.

Win8 is a non-entity.  It serves no legitimate purpose whatsoever.
And if M$ had a brain in their heads, they would just charge $15 for their OS to begin with.  If they did, nobody would bootleg it and everyone would use it.


My son's computer has a bootleg Win7 cause I hate Vista quite a bit(figured if I ran into trouble I could always reinstall vista)

Do you know if I would actually have to download Win8 or if I just go through the process, lie about the purchase date, and activate the new key on the 7 machine if that would work?
 
2013-02-01 02:42:40 PM

dmars: MikeSass: 1. d/l bootleg Win7
2. pay $15 for Win8
3. "downgrade" to Win7
4. Win.

Win8 is a non-entity.  It serves no legitimate purpose whatsoever.
And if M$ had a brain in their heads, they would just charge $15 for their OS to begin with.  If they did, nobody would bootleg it and everyone would use it.

My son's computer has a bootleg Win7 cause I hate Vista quite a bit(figured if I ran into trouble I could always reinstall vista)

Do you know if I would actually have to download Win8 or if I just go through the process, lie about the purchase date, and activate the new key on the 7 machine if that would work?


It doesn't come with the $40 upgrade license, and to make it work you need an existing Windows 7 DVD AND key.  Once you install Windows 7, you can call Microsoft and they will activate your Windows 7 installation with the Windows 8 key you give them over the phone.
 
2013-02-01 03:10:00 PM
Because it's been so well received at that low price point, clearly it can bear a much higher price tag.
 
2013-02-01 03:18:42 PM

ZeroCorpse: That link pretty much speaks for itself. All you need is a shortcut to shutdown /s /t 0


Or, you know, they could have not been complete knobgobblers, and just included a shutdown button.
 
2013-02-01 03:55:27 PM
I'm in the IT field, so I have it and have toyed around with it. However, I still primarily use Win7 and Lion, as that is what 98% of the company is running.
 
2013-02-01 04:04:57 PM

dmars: Do you know if I would actually have to download Win8 or if I just go through the process, lie about the purchase date, and activate the new key on the 7 machine if that would work?


An "upgrade" install of Windows 8 is functionally identical to a full install disc, except for the legal fiction necessary to use it. Windows XP and Vista can be "upgraded" to 8 by means of a completely fresh install. Windows 7 users are given a choice to have a fresh install or to retain their programs and user settings with an actual upgrade.
 
2013-02-01 04:08:37 PM

meatofmystery: I see this thread didn't lack in people knocking down something they admittedly haven't even tried. Just riding the wave of "Windows 8 sucks" b/c it's the cool thing to do now.


I'm honestly surprised to see so many people white knighting Win8.
 
2013-02-01 04:21:04 PM

simplicimus: mainstreet62: Windows 8 can suck my dick.

Well, that's a reason to upgrade.


$15-40 is a deal if it can do that!
 
2013-02-01 04:21:33 PM

leviosaurus: meatofmystery: I see this thread didn't lack in people knocking down something they admittedly haven't even tried. Just riding the wave of "Windows 8 sucks" b/c it's the cool thing to do now.

I'm honestly surprised to see so many people white knighting Win8.


There's a lot of contrarians on fark who exist only to go against the right opinion, regardless of how silly they look.
 
2013-02-01 05:19:21 PM

leviosaurus: I'm honestly surprised to see so many people white knighting Win8


Win8 has one single real problem: Metro on non-tablets

Under the hood, it's Win7 with optimizations - it boots faster, the kernel is apparently even more stable, it's a set of incremental improvements.

But Metro makes it so frustrating to use that everyone hates the hell out of it.  I know that's why I'm not picking it up just yet.  Plus I hate touch-screen interfaces, because I don't want finger smears all over my damn monitor.
 
2013-02-01 06:16:45 PM
i'll just stick with win 7 and daz loader
 
2013-02-01 06:46:11 PM
My desktop was running XP, and I have some experience with Windows 7.

I upgraded to Windows 8 Pro last night. I have no idea what the hate is about. Once you're in desktop mode, everything is nearly exactly the same. It's just as snappy as Windows 7, and obviously much moreso than XP. No lag with basic commands, installations, opening files. The search function is absurdly fast. The live tiles thing is gimmicky(I'm sure it's much better on phones and tablets), but really, I don't care about that at all. I actually feel like the experience is cleaner and more streamlined than previous versions of Windows.

I'm about to run a few games and see what the effect is. My suspicion is that nothing will change.
 
2013-02-01 06:59:56 PM

Ed Finnerty: I just bit.

I'll play around with it on a secondary machine. My primary machine will stay on 7 for the foreseeable future.

/Mostly for FO3 and some other games that seem to have issues


Have fun changing BACK to a previous version on that secondary machine. UEFI FTW.

Windows 8 will not allow you to boot from an optical drive or USB drive (other than the windows 8 DVD) unless you follow a long list of steps to disable their UEFI secure boot "feature". I just started a "downgrade" on a new Dell computer, and these are the steps I had to follow just to get the computer to boot from the Windows 7 DVD...

Press Windows key + W
Click "Settings"
Click "Change PC Settings"
Click "General"
Click "Advanced Start-up"
Click "Restart Now"
Click "Troubleshoot"
Click "Advanced Options"
Click "UEFI Firmware Settings"
Click "Restart"
This will actually allow you to get into the BIOS

In BIOS...
Go to either the "Advanced" tab or the "Boot" tab (depends on the computer)
Change "Secure Boot" to "Disabled"
If present, change "LaunchCSM" to "Always"
Set the first Boot Device to either "DVD" or "ODD" (whichever is there)
If present, set "Fast Boot" to "Disabled"
Exit and Save Changes

Only after all of this will it allow you to boot from a non-"secure boot" CD or DVD (or even USB, I think).

After all that, I discovered that the Windows 7 DVD Dell sent us doesn't have drivers for the integrated network card, so I'm having to download those from the Dell website on another computer and transfer them via USB flash drive... and now that I think about it, I hope THAT works.
 
2013-02-01 07:29:33 PM

Gig103: syrynxx: Too good to pass up.  Especially since Win8 Pro gives you the license to downgrade to Win7, or run it with client Hyper-V.  I think the upgrade option even worked from the free consumer preview version of Win8.

How does that work? Do you need to install 8 and then downgrade or is it possible to install off my Win7 Pro DVD and then use the Win8 Pro license?


I haven't done this with a Windows 8 -> 7 downgrade, but I've sold many PCs with the Windows 7 -> XP downgrade.

How it works is you use another copy of the installer. MS says it must be a legal copy, but copies from the Pirate Bay work just fine. You install it, and put in whatever license key you want. If it activates, no worries. If it doesn't activate, you call MS activation, and talk to a rep. You tell them that you're exercising your downgrade rights. They get your license key for the product that you're downgrading, and then give you a key to manually activate the older copy of Windows.

It's pretty sketchy, and MS highly discourages it. But a lot of companies are willing to pay a good amount for this, especially since the big sellers don't offer it any more. MS tolerates it because it's keeping a lot of businesses from looking for alternative OSes, for the time being.
 
2013-02-01 07:47:16 PM

leviosaurus: meatofmystery: I see this thread didn't lack in people knocking down something they admittedly haven't even tried. Just riding the wave of "Windows 8 sucks" b/c it's the cool thing to do now.

I'm honestly surprised to see so many people white knighting Win8.


I upgraded from XP and think it's great, as long as I have Classic Shell installed. Does that count?

/Bought W8 for my main PC, my second PC and my netbook. Classic Shell on all of them.
 
2013-02-02 01:45:41 PM

Mad_Radhu: HeartBurnKid: The "Shut down" function is hopelessly obscured

I agree with almost all of your criticisms, but I have to say that the Shut Down button really doesn't need to be prominent in any modern OS. Outside of OS upgrades or long-term storage, there is no reason to shut down a modern PC, especially considering how well Win 8 sleeps/hibernates compared to older versions. Even on Windows 7, a full shutdown/restart is something that I only do when required by an app. The rest of the time, I just use sleep mode.


I don't really care what you think, if  I want to shut down the computer I want to be able to shut down the computer.

Thank you.
 
2013-02-02 05:08:00 PM

Flint Ironstag: leviosaurus: meatofmystery: I see this thread didn't lack in people knocking down something they admittedly haven't even tried. Just riding the wave of "Windows 8 sucks" b/c it's the cool thing to do now.

I'm honestly surprised to see so many people white knighting Win8.

I upgraded from XP and think it's great, as long as I have Classic Shell installed. Does that count?

/Bought W8 for my main PC, my second PC and my netbook. Classic Shell on all of them.


I'm running classic shell on everything, too. I also use Chrome to get around all of the IE10 compatibility issues. The authorization model on Win8 is a pile of confusion, so if you need to use multiple accounts you never really know which skydrive you're saving into. I get around that by using Google Drive.

Notice a pattern? Win8's problems are solvable if you download external apps, frequently from Microsoft's competitors. Win8 is literally driving me (and the people I advise) away from Microsoft. Does that really sound like good design to you?
 
2013-02-02 06:32:39 PM

leviosaurus: Notice a pattern? Win8's problems are solvable if you download external apps, frequently from Microsoft's competitors. Win8 is literally driving me (and the people I advise) away from Microsoft. Does that really sound like good design to you?


No. The core OS of W8 is great but they screwed the pooch in trying to ram the Metro touchscreen interface down our throats.  I'm convinced that had they made Metro an option and kept the Desktop interface familiar to XP/W7 users then W8 would have been a hit and had huge positive press. A "future proof" Windows. A tablet and touchscreen ready OS that would make it easy for you to swap between your desktop and your tablet computers.

But they didn't. They removed Desktop functionality and forced people to use Metro, find controls literally hidden from view or learn non-intuitive keyboard shortcuts. Like buying a car to find they've hidden the ignition key in the glove box. Sure, you can find it and get used to it. But why should you?
 
2013-02-02 08:06:15 PM

Flint Ironstag: leviosaurus: Notice a pattern? Win8's problems are solvable if you download external apps, frequently from Microsoft's competitors. Win8 is literally driving me (and the people I advise) away from Microsoft. Does that really sound like good design to you?

No. The core OS of W8 is great but they screwed the pooch in trying to ram the Metro touchscreen interface down our throats.  I'm convinced that had they made Metro an option and kept the Desktop interface familiar to XP/W7 users then W8 would have been a hit and had huge positive press. A "future proof" Windows. A tablet and touchscreen ready OS that would make it easy for you to swap between your desktop and your tablet computers.

But they didn't. They removed Desktop functionality and forced people to use Metro, find controls literally hidden from view or learn non-intuitive keyboard shortcuts. Like buying a car to find they've hidden the ignition key in the glove box. Sure, you can find it and get used to it. But why should you?


If you have actually ever used windows 8 then there is no way you can be saying this with a straight face especially because it is the same baseless ongoing continual rant that everyone who has never used windows 8 plasters all over the internet.

I'm on this windows 8 machine right now and EVERYTHING you are saying is wrong.

There is no way in hell that you have ever used windows 8. Either you are using it and you are extremely retarded or you are not using it. I think that you are not using it because your argument and everything your are saying about it is exactly the same as trying to argue that having 6 Mbps internet speeds is better than 20 Mbps speeds. It's just stupid and defies logic. It's embarrassing listening to people like you. It is frightening. The difference between junking my old Pinto and getting a Rolls Royce.

Get over it. Windows 8 is the best operating system in existence.
 
2013-02-03 12:36:26 AM

Master Batorium: Flint Ironstag: leviosaurus: Notice a pattern? Win8's problems are solvable if you download external apps, frequently from Microsoft's competitors. Win8 is literally driving me (and the people I advise) away from Microsoft. Does that really sound like good design to you?

No. The core OS of W8 is great but they screwed the pooch in trying to ram the Metro touchscreen interface down our throats.  I'm convinced that had they made Metro an option and kept the Desktop interface familiar to XP/W7 users then W8 would have been a hit and had huge positive press. A "future proof" Windows. A tablet and touchscreen ready OS that would make it easy for you to swap between your desktop and your tablet computers.

But they didn't. They removed Desktop functionality and forced people to use Metro, find controls literally hidden from view or learn non-intuitive keyboard shortcuts. Like buying a car to find they've hidden the ignition key in the glove box. Sure, you can find it and get used to it. But why should you?

If you have actually ever used windows 8 then there is no way you can be saying this with a straight face especially because it is the same baseless ongoing continual rant that everyone who has never used windows 8 plasters all over the internet.

I'm on this windows 8 machine right now and EVERYTHING you are saying is wrong.

There is no way in hell that you have ever used windows 8. Either you are using it and you are extremely retarded or you are not using it. I think that you are not using it because your argument and everything your are saying about it is exactly the same as trying to argue that having 6 Mbps internet speeds is better than 20 Mbps speeds. It's just stupid and defies logic. It's embarrassing listening to people like you. It is frightening. The difference between junking my old Pinto and getting a Rolls Royce.

Get over it. Windows 8 is the best operating system in existence.


0/10

If he had said anything that wasn't, in fact, factual, you might have had a shot.
 
2013-02-03 01:33:05 AM

LesserEvil: Master Batorium: Flint Ironstag: leviosaurus: Notice a pattern? Win8's problems are solvable if you download external apps, frequently from Microsoft's competitors. Win8 is literally driving me (and the people I advise) away from Microsoft. Does that really sound like good design to you?

No. The core OS of W8 is great but they screwed the pooch in trying to ram the Metro touchscreen interface down our throats.  I'm convinced that had they made Metro an option and kept the Desktop interface familiar to XP/W7 users then W8 would have been a hit and had huge positive press. A "future proof" Windows. A tablet and touchscreen ready OS that would make it easy for you to swap between your desktop and your tablet computers.

But they didn't. They removed Desktop functionality and forced people to use Metro, find controls literally hidden from view or learn non-intuitive keyboard shortcuts. Like buying a car to find they've hidden the ignition key in the glove box. Sure, you can find it and get used to it. But why should you?

If you have actually ever used windows 8 then there is no way you can be saying this with a straight face especially because it is the same baseless ongoing continual rant that everyone who has never used windows 8 plasters all over the internet.

I'm on this windows 8 machine right now and EVERYTHING you are saying is wrong.

There is no way in hell that you have ever used windows 8. Either you are using it and you are extremely retarded or you are not using it. I think that you are not using it because your argument and everything your are saying about it is exactly the same as trying to argue that having 6 Mbps internet speeds is better than 20 Mbps speeds. It's just stupid and defies logic. It's embarrassing listening to people like you. It is frightening. The difference between junking my old Pinto and getting a Rolls Royce.

Get over it. Windows 8 is the best operating system in existence.

0/10

If he had said anything that wasn't, in fact, fac ...


Please. Stupid losers. Crying about and still calling it Metro. Get the fark over it. NOTHING he said was factual. Reading about it is tiresome and misleading.

Have you ever used anything in your life, absolutely loved it, and had to sit around watching people say shiat about it that is completely unfounded?

But they didn't. They removed Desktop functionality and forced people to use Metro, find controls literally hidden from view or learn non-intuitive keyboard shortcuts. Like buying a car to find they've hidden the ignition key in the glove box. Sure, you can find it and get used to it. But why should you?


What the hell does this even mean? WHAT DOES IT MEAN? This is ONE THOUSAND PERCENT WRONG. IF you haven't used the OS then just stop farking talking about it. If you have used the OS and you are talking like this and even backing up people who talk like this then you have some other kind of agenda and you FAIL to explain that agenda.

Right now I am rubbing the SMOOTHEST baby soft sexiest ass I have ever come across and you are telling me that I am scrapping my junk on sandpaper.

THAT is what this sounds like to me.
 
2013-02-03 03:32:57 AM

Mad_Radhu: HeartBurnKid: The "Shut down" function is hopelessly obscured

I agree with almost all of your criticisms, but I have to say that the Shut Down button really doesn't need to be prominent in any modern OS. Outside of OS upgrades or long-term storage, there is no reason to shut down a modern PC, especially considering how well Win 8 sleeps/hibernates compared to older versions. Even on Windows 7, a full shutdown/restart is something that I only do when required by an app. The rest of the time, I just use sleep mode.


This is what cheerleading Win8 by fanboys has come to: arguing you that shouldn't turn a computer off because the new OS is really shiatty about how you have to do it.

Sleep still drains the battery.  More importantly, even if you want the computer to go to sleep, you have to go through the same convoluted process to get to the power option.  Sure, you can use your power button on your machine, but what if you want to hibernate instead?  Oh, click, click, click.
 
2013-02-03 06:57:38 AM

BumpInTheNight: leviosaurus: meatofmystery: I see this thread didn't lack in people knocking down something they admittedly haven't even tried. Just riding the wave of "Windows 8 sucks" b/c it's the cool thing to do now.

I'm honestly surprised to see so many people white knighting Win8.

There's a lot of contrarians on fark who exist only to go against the right opinion, regardless of how silly they look.


Nonsense.

/Windows ME 4 life
 
2013-02-03 11:17:06 AM

Master Batorium: There is no way in hell that you have ever used windows 8.



My desktop.  http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8363/desktopvxa.jpg

Dual monitor setup. Note Classic Shell Start button right where the start button should be. The picture is my girlfriend. You wouldn't know her, she's Canadian.


/Okay, it's Summer Glau.
//Windows 8 on two PCs and my netbook.
 
2013-02-04 03:06:53 AM

Flint Ironstag: My desktop. http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/8363/desktopvxa.jpg


If you turn off Classic Shell, what happens on a dual monitor setup if you hit the Windows key? Metro over both? And if you are in Metro, does it still limit you to only two apps split? Is there a way to not use the entire height of the screen if you don't want to?

These are serious questions by the way, things I wonder since no in-store demo has dual monitors.
 
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