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2013-01-31 05:03:14 PM

pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.


The only advantage Win8 brings for gaming is that DirectX 11.1 is exclusive to it.  However, few games at present support DX11.1, so that's not much of an advantage.
 
2013-01-31 05:03:23 PM

pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.


Not really as of yet http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/windows-8-gaming-performance,3331 . html
 
2013-01-31 05:03:29 PM

BumpInTheNight: casual disregard: So as a gamer I have to ask: is exclusive DirectX 11.1 worth Win8 or should I stick with the slightly smaller bloat of Win7?

Consider the vast horde of poor bastards still running winXP as a gaming platform which makes the target directX9 at max and the number of games with exclusive DX11 engine based games can be counted with one's anus...no, not at all.  Avoid the stillborn mess and wait for 9.  DirectX advancements are constantly touted but again, until the XP truly dies off no sane engine will be exclusive DX10+.


Exclusive no, but most games now can run under the latest DX but offer DX9 as a shiat option.
 
2013-01-31 05:04:28 PM

xanadian: That assumes I'd want to "upgrade" to Windows 8 to begin with.


Windows 8 is the best version of Windows ever.

EVER.
 
2013-01-31 05:04:46 PM

HeartBurnKid: drjekel_mrhyde: [i.imgur.com image 530x413]
[i.imgur.com image 430x350]

I love how the argument for Windows 8 has now come down to "WELL YOU'RE JUST AFRAID OF CHANGE DURR~!"

It's an incremental upgrade at best, with a UI that's half-baked for tablets, and complete shiat for desktops, slathered on top.  Why would <I>anybody</I> want that kind of "change"?


Kind of a strange argument there that's for sure.  I just don't bother upgrading every release of windows, Went from 98> xp > 7, don't see much point in getting 8, I'll get the next version when it comes out.
 
2013-01-31 05:04:59 PM

pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.


Vista & Win7 only really shine for gaming with games that utilize multiple CPUs, GPUs or want more then 2GB of addressable memory (I'm looking at you, bethesda's games and Metro2033).  That said, XP is sorely outdated for many other things beyond the gaming...like you really don't want to use an SSD with one unless you like replacing them alot.
 
2013-01-31 05:06:18 PM

Mcavity: MightyPez: xanadian: wee: As someone who was forced to spend an hour working with Windows Server 2012, don't farking bother.

Don't tell me they have "tiles" for a f*cking server OS... :/

/hasn't had the "fortune" to deal with Server 2012 yet

Here's the odd thing: They added Metro to server (stupid), but it's better implemented than Windows 8 (even more stupid). It's not as invasive as 8's Metro and doesn't trip me up nearly as much. It's still batshiat insane that they foisted it on server, though.


you want insane..
ponder this for a momnet..

Major componet of server 2012 is power shell.
Power shell is basicly a very powerfull scripting for command line.

so why are you putting a touch screen interface on a command line system?


For the touchscreen servers, duh.

www.alphaonelabs.com


How else are you supposed to give the rabbit a flu shot?

/Hack The Planet!
 
2013-01-31 05:06:50 PM

LasersHurt: SJKebab: win8 noob question here.  If this OS has been designed to work well with tablets etc, does that mean that the OS has been streamlined a bit to run on lesser hardware?  Could it be a slight performance upgrade in return for the shiathouse UI?

/Still haven't even seen win8 in the wild.

Some people do see a slight improvement in boot times and general function on older hardware. It's not hugely different than 7, but if you need a legit key or want to come up from Vista or XP, I'd go for it. The Start Menu is really unobtrusive and not that big of a problem once you start using it overall.

pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.

Well, Windows 8 didn't go backwards on supporting your RAM or anything, if that's what you mean. I game on it all of the time, and it all seems to work flawlessly, but I wouldn't upgrade from 7 to 8 for gaming needs. Not a huge performance difference.


Everyone sees a boot increase since windows has a new boot method that keeps some if the kernel and user cached. Unless they have something blocking the support.

Windows 8 also fully supports 4k sector drives (you know the drives you can only get now over 512 for mechanical) removing a translation layer on the drives.
 
2013-01-31 05:07:08 PM
I see that <b>submitter</b> didn't mention a bootleg copy of Windows Vista in the headline. Which makes sense, I suppose, as pirating Vista is a bit like stealing cancer.


/my laptop shipped with Vista. And HD-DVD. Consequently it's been running XP for the last six years. And Blazing Saddles on HD-DVD is indeed glorious, by the way.
 
2013-01-31 05:08:01 PM
I'm going to wait until Windows 9 when they introduce transparent tiles.
 
2013-01-31 05:09:23 PM
Windows 8 looks like its design is contrary to my needs.
I'm never owning a Mac. Ever.
Ubuntu has gone loony with the whole "Unity" interface.

I guess it's time to start looking around for a decent Linux distro again.
 
2013-01-31 05:09:48 PM

HeartBurnKid: The "Shut down" function is hopelessly obscured


I agree with almost all of your criticisms, but I have to say that the Shut Down button really doesn't need to be prominent in any modern OS. Outside of OS upgrades or long-term storage, there is no reason to shut down a modern PC, especially considering how well Win 8 sleeps/hibernates compared to older versions. Even on Windows 7, a full shutdown/restart is something that I only do when required by an app. The rest of the time, I just use sleep mode.
 
2013-01-31 05:09:51 PM
It also gives you a true hypervisor for running VMs which makes them much snappier but not all OS are supported but Ubuntu is for example.
 
2013-01-31 05:10:45 PM

Mad_Radhu: Outside of OS upgrades


That should be updates.
 
2013-01-31 05:14:31 PM

HeartBurnKid: drjekel_mrhyde: HeartBurnKid: drjekel_mrhyde: [i.imgur.com image 530x413]
[i.imgur.com image 430x350]

I love how the argument for Windows 8 has now come down to "WELL YOU'RE JUST AFRAID OF CHANGE DURR~!"

It's an incremental upgrade at best, with a UI that's half-baked for tablets, and complete shiat for desktops, slathered on top.  Why would <I>anybody</I> want that kind of "change"?

What's wrong with using it on a desktop?

You cannot boot directly to desktop mode
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the application launcher (Metro/Start Screen) in desktop mode (i.e. Start button or Windows flag button)
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the Charms bar
There is no indicator of what items in the Charms bar actually pertain to the app you're using
The application launcher that used to come up discreetly in the corner of the screen now takes up the full screen, breaking your workflow with no appreciable benefit
Tiles for installed apps are strewn haphazardly across Metro without rhyme or reason
The "Shut down" function is hopelessly obscured
Metro apps are nowhere near as simple to multitask as traditional Windows apps
Some desktop settings are only changeable through Metro
Some Metro settings are only changeable through the desktop

And that's just the obvious issues.


Most of that was covered right after I installed it in the tutorial. Booting to desktop............. You click on desktop. the rest is pretty easy. The metro UI is just a over glorified start menu. My cousins who come over on weekends had nothing negative to say about it since none of them go on tech sites. i was sure they would have a problem logging on to the guest account after hibernation(would confuse most), but they didn't.
 
2013-01-31 05:14:58 PM
I upgraded from XP to 8 with this offer and can strongly recommend it. As long as you also get Classic Shell (free) to give you back the Start button.

On my two year old dual core machine (I had upgraded the mobo and chip) it runs far faster and smother, has useful stuff like auto backup, handles dual monitors better and is (apparently) far more secure. I upgraded my second PC, and older one, last week and that runs better as well.

It's a great deal, which MS would not have had to do had they made Metro an option instead of trying to ram it down our throats.
 
2013-01-31 05:15:09 PM
I'd be willing to pay 15-40 bucks to never have to work on another windoze box.
 
2013-01-31 05:17:56 PM

Nadie_AZ: I think the XP box I built a few months ago to play Fallout 3/NV wouldn't play those games under 8. At least not as well as it has been.


casual disregard: So as a gamer I have to ask: is exclusive DirectX 11.1 worth Win8 or should I stick with the slightly smaller bloat of Win7?


pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.


Folks, Windows 8 has lower system requirements than Windows 7.  And, from a kernel standpoint, it's virtually the same as 7, so no there are not be compatibility issues.  It's equal or faster than 7 in just about everything.

There are quite a few Win8 offers over other versions besides the start screen that everybody get stuck on.  Much faster startup time and faster file copying, to name a few.
 
2013-01-31 05:19:40 PM

OnlyM3: I'd be willing to pay 15-40 bucks to never have to work on another windoze box.


You know you can just stop, right?  It's free to just not continue doing what you're doing.

/Spelling it Windoze is edgy
//Linux sucks, get over it
 
2013-01-31 05:19:45 PM
I installed ShartBlock Pro on my computer just to make sure WinBlow 8 cannot be installed.

XP served me from late '03 till this past summer.  I'm sure 7 will suffice until 9 or possibly even 11 comes out.
 
2013-01-31 05:23:10 PM

HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks, get over it


It really doesn't. A comma should not be used to join two independent thoughts unless there's a conjunction of some sort.
 
2013-01-31 05:25:32 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: HeartBurnKid: drjekel_mrhyde: HeartBurnKid: drjekel_mrhyde: [i.imgur.com image 530x413]
[i.imgur.com image 430x350]

I love how the argument for Windows 8 has now come down to "WELL YOU'RE JUST AFRAID OF CHANGE DURR~!"

It's an incremental upgrade at best, with a UI that's half-baked for tablets, and complete shiat for desktops, slathered on top.  Why would <I>anybody</I> want that kind of "change"?

What's wrong with using it on a desktop?

You cannot boot directly to desktop mode
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the application launcher (Metro/Start Screen) in desktop mode (i.e. Start button or Windows flag button)
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the Charms bar
There is no indicator of what items in the Charms bar actually pertain to the app you're using
The application launcher that used to come up discreetly in the corner of the screen now takes up the full screen, breaking your workflow with no appreciable benefit
Tiles for installed apps are strewn haphazardly across Metro without rhyme or reason
The "Shut down" function is hopelessly obscured
Metro apps are nowhere near as simple to multitask as traditional Windows apps
Some desktop settings are only changeable through Metro
Some Metro settings are only changeable through the desktop

And that's just the obvious issues.

Most of that was covered right after I installed it in the tutorial.


The fact that there's a tutorial doesn't make them any less poor design choices.

Booting to desktop............. You click on desktop.

Which is still one more step than was needed before, with no way to get around it because Microsoft desperately wants you to use Metro.

the rest is pretty easy. The metro UI is just a over glorified start menu.

Yes, as I pointed out, it's a start menu that's ridiculously poorly organized, and takes over your entire screen and breaks your workflow every time you use it.

My cousins who come over on weekends had nothing negative to say about it since none of them go on tech sites. i was sure they would have a problem logging on to the guest account after hibernation(would confuse most), but they didn't.

Well, bully for them.
 
2013-01-31 05:25:51 PM
I'm pretty sure you can't buy the $40.00 win 8 just to be able to downgrade to Win 7.

You need to have the full version of Win 8 on a computer that came with it to get the downgrade rights.
 
2013-01-31 05:25:59 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: [i.imgur.com image 530x413]
[i.imgur.com image 430x350]


Nice trolling but those hardly apply in this case.  Windows 8 is simply not worth the upgrade effort (much less the cost).
 
2013-01-31 05:27:09 PM
syrynxx:

Pro also supports Remote Desktop, which is nice for me since I have a computer running my email fat client at the other end of the house.  I can remote into it and keep all my mail in the same place.

Offhand, why would you do this?  Email is amongst the simplest things to have available and have manageable from more than one location.  I can't think for the life of me why I'd ever use RDP to access mail.
 
2013-01-31 05:27:17 PM

syrynxx: client Hyper-V


Just a little note about that: Win8's own HyperV implementation has some particular CPU requirements associated with it, such that it won't run on any pre-Core i CPU or any CPU from Intel that's branded as a Pentium or Celeron, and support on AMD is also kind of random and spotty.

If you want to run Windows 8 in a VM, you need to be up to date with whatever hypervisor you're actually using because of some new stuff in the boot code. Stupid Windows 8 made me upgrade an ESXi machine last week. Grumble grumble.
 
2013-01-31 05:29:51 PM
spacebison.com
Still free.
 
2013-01-31 05:31:48 PM

GreenAdder: HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks; get over it.

It really doesn't. A comma should not be used to join two independent thoughts unless there's a conjunction of some sort.


Does the semicolon make you feel better?  And why did you stop at the comma?  I forgot a period at the end, as well.  English majors the world over can breathe easier now that they know you're here to stick up for the poor, defenseless written language.

/And Linux does suck.
//Hard!
 
2013-01-31 05:31:56 PM

likefunbutnot: syrynxx: client Hyper-V

Just a little note about that: Win8's own HyperV implementation has some particular CPU requirements associated with it, such that it won't run on any pre-Core i CPU or any CPU from Intel that's branded as a Pentium or Celeron, and support on AMD is also kind of random and spotty.

If you want to run Windows 8 in a VM, you need to be up to date with whatever hypervisor you're actually using because of some new stuff in the boot code. Stupid Windows 8 made me upgrade an ESXi machine last week. Grumble grumble.


It did?  Like just patching ESXi 5.0 or going up to 5.1?  Because I'm pretty sure I've got some Win8s on an ESXi 5.0 and I just inherently keep those boys patched.
 
2013-01-31 05:32:00 PM
$40. By today. Interesting proposition.

How much to just keep the bootleg copy of Windows 7?
How much additional for a bootleg copy of Windows 8, if there's ever a time when running Windows 8 seems like a good idea for some reason?
And what's the deadline on that?
 
2013-01-31 05:34:10 PM

Somaticasual: Microsoft, please stop treating a desktop PC like a mobile pad, and you'll win back the windows 95 to win 7 users.
You could have met us in the middle and kept the start bar, but you didn't.
You could have met us in the middle and not changed for change's sake, but you didn't.
Get back to computers, stop trying to rip off apple's own ripoffs, and be your nerdy accountant bad-boy self.


Perhaps Microsoft and the rest of the PC industry have discovered they're not making money off of the build-it-yourself-and-load-bootlegged-Windows-XP?  This isn't exactly news in 2013.
 
2013-01-31 05:34:32 PM
Windows 8 is the Mars of software.
 
2013-01-31 05:35:24 PM

Intrepid00: amundb: Why would I pay $15-$40 to make my PC practically unusable?

Oh no, 90% of the OS is the same, it is faster, safer and has some really nice cloud integration but fark that the start menu changed that I barely used anyway on a desktop cause of pinning so it is unusable.


Does it blow your fragile mind that others may feel differently about something so subjective?
 
2013-01-31 05:38:19 PM

CmndrFish: Nadie_AZ: I think the XP box I built a few months ago to play Fallout 3/NV wouldn't play those games under 8. At least not as well as it has been.

casual disregard: So as a gamer I have to ask: is exclusive DirectX 11.1 worth Win8 or should I stick with the slightly smaller bloat of Win7?

pute kisses like a man: does going from windows 7 to 8 offer any advantage to video gaming?  right now windows 7 is able to use all the memory and whatever that's on my computer.

Folks, Windows 8 has lower system requirements than Windows 7.  And, from a kernel standpoint, it's virtually the same as 7, so no there are not be compatibility issues.  It's equal or faster than 7 in just about everything.

There are quite a few Win8 offers over other versions besides the start screen that everybody get stuck on.  Much faster startup time and faster file copying, to name a few.


I'll go out on a limb and believe you, so please tell me why MS is doing such a shiat job of marketing Win8? I kind of want to get a Win8 system just to tool around with it.
 
2013-01-31 05:38:53 PM

unyon: I can't think for the life of me why I'd ever use RDP to access mail.


Perhaps there are some security requirements for maintaining site security such that mail has to stay local?
Maybe he works one of those places where people email each other 200MB .PPTs or CD .ISOs?

HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks, get over it


Linux is really great, actually. It's a Swiss army knife of free functionality. Yes, it sucks that documentation isn't centralized and there's no standard for interfaces or presentation, but a Linux system in the right hands can work tens of thousands of dollars worth of miracles with minimal prodding, too.
 
2013-01-31 05:40:54 PM
Eh... I'll stick with Win7 64bit... There is no compelling reason for me to switch to Win8.
 
2013-01-31 05:44:13 PM

BumpInTheNight: It did? Like just patching ESXi 5.0 or going up to 5.1? Because I'm pretty sure I've got some Win8s on an ESXi 5.0 and I just inherently keep those boys patched.


EMC says it will run on patched 5.0, but it didn't work for me until I moved to 5.1.
 
2013-01-31 05:51:14 PM

likefunbutnot: unyon: I can't think for the life of me why I'd ever use RDP to access mail.

Perhaps there are some security requirements for maintaining site security such that mail has to stay local?
Maybe he works one of those places where people email each other 200MB .PPTs or CD .ISOs?

HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks, get over it

Linux is really great, actually. It's a Swiss army knife of free functionality. Yes, it sucks that documentation isn't centralized and there's no standard for interfaces or presentation, but a Linux system in the right hands can work tens of thousands of dollars worth of miracles with minimal prodding, too.


Windows = Autobots

Linux = Deceptiocons

Any idiot can fix and use Windows, even Bumble Bee. Linux though usually is overlay complicated and only that snarky asshole Rumble knows how it actually works.
 
2013-01-31 05:51:22 PM

likefunbutnot: unyon: I can't think for the life of me why I'd ever use RDP to access mail.

Perhaps there are some security requirements for maintaining site security such that mail has to stay local?
Maybe he works one of those places where people email each other 200MB .PPTs or CD .ISOs?


If there's a requirement that mail stays local, then you sure as hell wouldn't be permitted to RDP to it.  If it's absurdly large attachments like you've described, then they have bigger problems.  Besides, you could easily set up a local mail client to disregard large attachments unless download is requested.

Good effort, but I'm not buying either of those as possibilities.
 
2013-01-31 05:54:25 PM
Consider the vast horde of poor bastards still running winXP as a gaming platform which makes the target directX9 at max and the number of games with exclusive DX11 engine based games can be counted with one's anus...no, not at all.  Avoid the stillborn mess and wait for 9.  DirectX advancements are constantly touted but again, until the XP truly dies off no sane engine will be exclusive DX10+.

I'd have thought the XBox 360 is a bigger hold up on this than Windows XP. Seriously, if you're a PC "gamer" running an 11 year old operating system, your hardware can't be up to much, and you're not going to be spending big bucks on the latest games.

The 360's graphics are equivalent to DirectX 9, so cross platform games and engines are being written for that. When the next Xbox comes out, with the updated graphics API, then we should see PC games utilising DirectX 11.
 
2013-01-31 06:02:05 PM

simplicimus: mainstreet62: Windows 8 can suck my dick.

Well, that's a reason to upgrade.


Well played. VERY well played.
 
2013-01-31 06:03:14 PM
They're going to have to pay me a lot more than $40.
 
2013-01-31 06:28:38 PM
I have a legal XP CD licensed for 600 installations, so you can keep windows 8. Why go back to something that looks like Windows 3.11?

/loves Windows 7
 
2013-01-31 06:29:21 PM

Intrepid00: likefunbutnot: unyon: I can't think for the life of me why I'd ever use RDP to access mail.

Perhaps there are some security requirements for maintaining site security such that mail has to stay local?
Maybe he works one of those places where people email each other 200MB .PPTs or CD .ISOs?

HatMadeOfAss: //Linux sucks, get over it

Linux is really great, actually. It's a Swiss army knife of free functionality. Yes, it sucks that documentation isn't centralized and there's no standard for interfaces or presentation, but a Linux system in the right hands can work tens of thousands of dollars worth of miracles with minimal prodding, too.

Windows = Autobots

Linux = Deceptiocons

Any idiot can fix and use Windows, even Bumble Bee. Linux though usually is overlay complicated and only that snarky asshole Rumble knows how it actually works.


Apple = Gobots?
 
2013-01-31 06:42:16 PM
I'm waiting for Windows 9. Buy every other upgrade with windows.
 
2013-01-31 06:46:00 PM

unyon: Good effort, but I'm not buying either of those as possibilities.


Maybe he does not want to submit his personal mobile device to enterprise administration.
Or his work doesn't have a transport mechanism set up that lets him import their in-house SSL certs.
Or he's not licensed to use the same email client at home that he uses at work.

I can keep going. I'm not necessarily saying these are GOOD reasons, but syrynxx is generally clueful and I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that it's justifiable.
 
2013-01-31 06:47:11 PM
Windows 8 sucks.

It is not even as useful as DOS when it comes to  usability.
 
2013-01-31 06:47:48 PM

syrynxx: I think this was the most direct link I found.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/buy?ocid=CPRP_r_january13 _n a_body_1_1


I just followed that link from Firefox on Linux, and got this (LMFAO):

It's time to upgrade your browser
You're using an outdated version of Internet Explorer. Many websites-including Windows.com-no longer support Internet Explorer 6, which means you won't be able to access the site until you upgrade your browser.
 
2013-01-31 06:47:49 PM

HeartBurnKid: Tiles for installed apps are strewn haphazardly across Metro without rhyme or reason


That is not actually true. The rhyme is:

Microsoft's apps get the first group
It there are more, they can flow
OEM apps get the next group
if there are more, Win8 says NO!
User apps are in the last group
unless they happen to be Metro
since Metro apps can join the first group
as long as there's a hole to go
Whichever square tile joins a group
past no wide tiles can it reflow
and if an app is some desktop poop
into last position it must go

/I'm pretty sure the reason is that the person who wrote the code was autistic
 
2013-01-31 06:50:48 PM
HeartBurnKid:

What's wrong with using it on a desktop?

You cannot boot directly to desktop mode
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the application launcher (Metro/Start Screen) in desktop mode (i.e. Start button or Windows flag button)
There is no visual indicator of how to bring up the Charms bar
There is no indicator of what items in the Charms bar actually pertain to the app you're using
The application launcher that used to come up discreetly in the corner of the screen now takes up the full screen, breaking your workflow with no appreciable benefit
Tiles for installed apps are strewn haphazardly across Metro without rhyme or reason
The "Shut down" function is hopelessly obscured
Metro apps are nowhere near as simple to multitask as traditional Windows apps
Some desktop settings are only changeable through Metro
Some Metro settings are only changeable through the desktop

And that's just the obvious issues.


This is a good start. The biggest overarching message is that they've made a bunch of navigation changes that are completely non-intuitive. I took a friend - a former MS full time employee for 10+ years - to the store, showed her a demo laptop and asked her to do some simple things, like "Close this Window" and "Go back to the desktop" and she couldn't figure it out. This is someone who spent years living inside the Windows environment.

I recently made a business trip, and needed to connect to different wifi spots. The OS tried to handle the connection and failed every time. Each time I opened up an instance of Chrome and connected with no problem. I realize this is IE 10 compatibility issues, but they've made it look like part of the OS, so it makes it look like the OS is at fault. That's just sloppy.

And there's other strange behavior I can't really quantify. PDFs sometimes open in Acrobat, sometimes open in Metro, and sometimes won't open at all (in which case I open them in Chrome, which works fine.) There doesn't seem to be any clear reason for this. Lots of other apps have the same kind if inconsistency.

Somebody posted a link to a review of Office 2013 the other day that mentioned the problem with the controls being recolored to an 'unobtrusive' shade... which results in them being impossible to find. That's true of other controls inside Win8 as well.

Sure, the core OS is rock solid. It's all the shell decisions that make it annoying. And there isn't one single thing to point at, just a giant pile of "Why the hell did they do this?" I really hope they deploy a Win7 shell option soon.
 
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