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(US Department of Justice)   Government Action we can all get behind: DoJ files lawsuit to protect beer prices   (justice.gov) divider line 55
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2013-01-31 02:00:52 PM  
If I remember correctly, we tried the "buck a beer" here in Ontario ($24 for a two-four) a while back, and the provincial government listened to the harpies at MADD and ruined it. Said it encouraged binge drinking.
 
2013-01-31 02:53:36 PM  

gopher321: If I remember correctly, we tried the "buck a beer" here in Ontario ($24 for a two-four) a while back, and the provincial government listened to the harpies at MADD and ruined it. Said it encouraged binge drinking.


Meh. Once you factor in provincial liquor taxes there's no way you'd be paying $24.
 
2013-01-31 02:53:45 PM  
Meh.  They're just trying to keep some Dutch company from monopolizing watered-down piss beer.
 
2013-01-31 03:12:23 PM  

gopher321: If I remember correctly, we tried the "buck a beer" here in Ontario ($24 for a two-four) a while back, and the provincial government listened to the harpies at MADD and ruined it. Said it encouraged binge drinking.


The fiancéeis Canadian. She came down to NC over Christmas and flipped. her. shiat. over alcohol prices down here. $1.78 for a bottle of wine? $.50 for a draft beer in a bar? $4 for a draft Guiness?

I didn't get it, until I went up there.

Holy. farking. shiat. 

It was like $8.50 for a draft Molson, and that was a  special.Canadian alcohol prices are insane, and if this will help prevent that, sign me up as a supporter.
 
2013-01-31 03:19:55 PM  

whistleridge: It was like $8.50 for a draft Molson, and that was a special.Canadian alcohol prices are insane, and if this will help prevent that, sign me up as a supporter.


Alcohol is heavily taxed, but that's part of the reason we have free healthcare.
 
2013-01-31 03:25:17 PM  

Rev.K: whistleridge: It was like $8.50 for a draft Molson, and that was a special.Canadian alcohol prices are insane, and if this will help prevent that, sign me up as a supporter.

Alcohol is heavily taxed, but that's part of the reason we have free healthcare.


But that still doesn't explain why the beer up there tastes so bad.
 
2013-01-31 03:32:54 PM  

Nabb1: Rev.K: whistleridge: It was like $8.50 for a draft Molson, and that was a special.Canadian alcohol prices are insane, and if this will help prevent that, sign me up as a supporter.

Alcohol is heavily taxed, but that's part of the reason we have free healthcare.

But that still doesn't explain why the beer up there tastes so bad.


i2.listal.com
 
2013-01-31 03:46:35 PM  

skinbubble: Nabb1: Rev.K: whistleridge: It was like $8.50 for a draft Molson, and that was a special.Canadian alcohol prices are insane, and if this will help prevent that, sign me up as a supporter.

Alcohol is heavily taxed, but that's part of the reason we have free healthcare.

But that still doesn't explain why the beer up there tastes so bad.

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1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-31 03:54:22 PM  

Nabb1: Rev.K: whistleridge: It was like $8.50 for a draft Molson, and that was a special.Canadian alcohol prices are insane, and if this will help prevent that, sign me up as a supporter.

Alcohol is heavily taxed, but that's part of the reason we have free healthcare.

But that still doesn't explain why the beer up there tastes so bad.


SO. MUCH. WIN.

/;^)
 
2013-01-31 03:58:33 PM  
Alcohol is heavily taxed, but that's part of the reason we have free healthcare.

So, then it's really not free, is it?

/prefer to pay for my beer and healthcare separately.
 
2013-01-31 04:23:20 PM  
Obviously the DoJ has its priorities in the right place. I definitely can't think of anything more pressing than the effect of marginally higher prices for average beer on the American people.
 
2013-01-31 04:28:50 PM  
i just can't believe that nattie light and busch light are so much closer in price to bud light these days...
 
2013-01-31 04:34:16 PM  

Nabb1: Meh.  They're just trying to keep some Dutch company from monopolizing watered-down piss beer.


It seems like they only make small efforts, like how they let Comcast take over NBC with only minor restrictions.

A place I used to work for was sold (in whole) to a foreign company who decided to break out of their continent and expand into 2 others.  So suddenly they're one of a few big players in the US.  In short order they were in talks with 2 of our competitors to buy them too.  DOJ said you can buy one but not the other and imposed a few other minor requirements of assets to be shifted around.  A year or so later they were at it again, only this time to buy another company of a similar size.

No problem with that one.  Many, if not most of you probably use their products all the time.

I think consumers were better off when the 2 companies  were 4 different companies.  (Don't worry, there's a couple of other competitors still out there - assuming they hadn't bought them since I left).

We need more competition, not less.
 
2013-01-31 04:37:23 PM  

Rev.K: whistleridge: It was like $8.50 for a draft Molson, and that was a special.Canadian alcohol prices are insane, and if this will help prevent that, sign me up as a supporter.

Alcohol is heavily taxed, but that's part of the reason we have free healthcare.


Not worth it.
 
2013-01-31 04:41:54 PM  

gopher321: If I remember correctly, we tried the "buck a beer" here in Ontario ($24 for a two-four) a while back, and the provincial government listened to the harpies at MADD and ruined it. Said it encouraged binge drinking.


MADD is like the NRA.  People fear (or feared) they're lobbying power, but they're now at the point where if you start a fight with them they'll shoot themselves in the foot with their rhetoric.
 
2013-01-31 05:21:29 PM  
Good. We don't need a beer company that's too big to ale
 
2013-01-31 05:26:50 PM  
Government should get out of our daily lives.  If I have to pay more for beer, so be it.  I don't need big brother telling companies what to do.  That's not capitalism or free market.

/Banning abortions is still cool though
 
2013-01-31 05:37:33 PM  

GanjSmokr: skinbubble: Nabb1: Rev.K: whistleridge: It was like $8.50 for a draft Molson, and that was a special.Canadian alcohol prices are insane, and if this will help prevent that, sign me up as a supporter.

Alcohol is heavily taxed, but that's part of the reason we have free healthcare.

But that still doesn't explain why the beer up there tastes so bad.

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Wet head!!!
 
2013-01-31 05:43:11 PM  
whistleridge:The fiancéeis Canadian. She came down to NC over Christmas and flipped. her. shiat. over alcohol prices down here. $1.78 for a bottle of wine? $.50 for a draft beer in a bar? $4 for a draft Guiness?

I love drinking in NC. It was my turn to buy this weekend, I bought 6 carbombs, 6 craft beers, 4 Pbr's, 2 vodka tonics, and a couple shots and was annoyed it cost me a whole $60.
 
2013-01-31 05:52:38 PM  
II am okay with this .
 
2013-01-31 05:58:01 PM  

haterade: i just can't believe that nattie light and busch light are so much closer in price to bud light these days...


Keystone Light still loves ya...$13,97 at the local Winco.

i.walmartimages.com
 
2013-01-31 07:19:24 PM  

Stone Meadow: haterade: i just can't believe that nattie light and busch light are so much closer in price to bud light these days...

Keystone Light still loves ya...$13,97 at the local Winco.

[i.walmartimages.com image 500x500]


You mean $6.99, at the local Food Lion? :p
 
2013-01-31 07:27:07 PM  

whistleridge: Stone Meadow: haterade: i just can't believe that nattie light and busch light are so much closer in price to bud light these days...

Keystone Light still loves ya...$13,97 at the local Winco.

[i.walmartimages.com image 500x500]

You mean $6.99, at the local Food Lion? :p


Don't come to Oregon...
 
2013-01-31 07:28:14 PM  

whistleridge: Stone Meadow: haterade: i just can't believe that nattie light and busch light are so much closer in price to bud light these days...

Keystone Light still loves ya...$13,97 at the local Winco.

[i.walmartimages.com image 500x500]

You mean $6.99, at the local Food Lion? :p


Hey, it's cheaper than bottled water, and tastes slightly better, too. *thumbsup*
 
2013-01-31 07:59:27 PM  

Stone Meadow: haterade: i just can't believe that nattie light and busch light are so much closer in price to bud light these days...

Keystone Light still loves ya...$13,97 at the local Winco.

[i.walmartimages.com image 500x500]



The name, the product endorsement.  Hey, I know you.

www.adweek.com
 
2013-01-31 08:31:47 PM  
"Justice Department Files Antitrust Lawsuit Challenging Anheuser-Busch Inbev's Proposed Acquisition of Grupo Modelo"

Subby is a liar. Those companies don't make beer, they make bitter fermented corn water.
 
2013-01-31 08:47:48 PM  
And this is why I've switched to drinking whiskey.  I absolutely refuse to pay $8-$10 for a 6 pack of decent stuff.
 
2013-01-31 09:09:34 PM  
Had one of these earlier
www.france44.com
Then one of these
draftmag.com
Then one of these
beergeno.me
Have fun with your shiatty budlight
 
2013-01-31 09:38:11 PM  
Well if they don't stop the monster that is Inbev at least I will always have my homebrew on tap. Until they use their monopoly on market power to lobby to re-illegalize hombrewing.
 
2013-01-31 10:52:00 PM  

InmanRoshi: And this is why I've switched to drinking whiskey.  I absolutely refuse to pay $8-$10 for a 6 pack of decent stuff.


Don't come to NY then, that's pretty much the standard on craft. I gave in a long time ago because I can't stand cheap beer anymore, and I don't particularly like hard liquor; even most NY wine (which is pretty much local to me) costs as much or more than a six pack anyway. I think something like 30% of the price is the state sneaking higher tax rates in over the last 4-5 years.

The other thing is though, clean water is becoming somewhat more scarce (see: Fracking companies fighting with farmers out in the west for WATER), and I'm sure multiple droughts have been driving up the price of hops. We could really use some years with good cyclical weather =/
 
2013-01-31 11:01:15 PM  

Stone Meadow: Keystone Light still loves ya...$13,97 at the local Winco.


Yay. Cheap 3.2% piss.

Pass.
 
2013-02-01 12:32:18 AM  
I long ago decided I'll just down bottles of dry wine before I suffer through another 30 rock of Keystone. God damn Keystone.
 
2013-02-01 01:07:17 AM  
Hey, does anyone know the alcohol content of Miller High Life, PBR, and Lone Star?

I won't get into it, but I've just down a round robin between the three, ditched each one for various personal reasons.  The Lonestar I can't do at home.  I just can't.

I love my IPA's and my Smithwicks,  but at home.  I want cheap.  Everything else reminds me of highschool.  I can't have that.

I'm drinking out of cans dammit.  $8 12 packs of cans.  That's my budget. More or less.

Sue me.

/still heartbroken. can't do lonestar.  I'm a pussy.
 
2013-02-01 01:57:32 AM  
With all the amazing microbrews/craft beer out there it's just sad that people elect to purchase/drink shiatty beer,
 
2013-02-01 02:27:51 AM  
I'm still pissed that inbev bought Spaten years ago, and just recently switched distributors here with NO plan in place to keep bars stocked with kegs.

So the old distro still has some, but can't deliver any to my local because this territory now belongs to the new distro. Meanwhile new distro is all 'wait, wut?' and has insufficient stock, and little in the pipeline, AND can't get the farking order right. My local asked for five kegs of Oktoberfest, got one keg, and four cases of bottled lager. They go through five kegs a WEEK of Oktoberfest.

I WANT MY GORRAM SPATEN OKTOBERFEST DRAFT, DAMNIT!!!

/and it's only $5 a half liter there
//$3.50 during happy hour!!!
 
2013-02-01 02:29:05 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: With all the amazing microbrews/craft beer out there it's just sad that people elect to purchase/drink shiatty beer,


Know any good micro/craft brews that aren't in a "how hoppy can you make it" contest and instead have a nice lightly hopped malty amber?
 
2013-02-01 02:32:05 AM  
...

Also, I can't understand why FARK of all sites would bury a beer thread in the seldom visited Business tab.
 
2013-02-01 07:26:24 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Hey, does anyone know the alcohol content of Miller High Life, PBR, and Lone Star?


4.6% for High Life. I'd assume the other two are in the same range.

Yes, High Life is my daily beer. No, I'm not particularly proud of that, but until the HEB starts carrying 30-packs of Icehouse, it's what I've got.
 
2013-02-01 07:45:53 AM  
The government is claiming there's insufficient competition in the American beer market?

That's absurd.
 
2013-02-01 08:05:07 AM  
Abuse of power, there is no way to justify the gov't stopping this transaction.  Obviously some competitor owns somebody in the administration.
 
2013-02-01 08:28:20 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: With all the amazing microbrews/craft beer out there it's just sad that people elect to purchase/drink shiatty beer,


I think for a lot of people, flavour doesn't even make it into the top 5 factors when it comes to choosing beer as an alcoholic beverage. I think most people are looking for something that is cheap, will get them moderately drunk,  that is available everywhere, they don't have to mix and isn't considered girly.  If that is all you cared about why wold you buy craft beer when bud light, or that super cheap Walgreens beer, meets all of your requirements especially the one about being cheap.
 
2013-02-01 08:33:00 AM  

gopher321: Said it encouraged binge drinking.


The scientific fact is that crabby mothers encourage binge drinking.
 
2013-02-01 08:55:37 AM  

doofusgumby: Know any good micro/craft brews that aren't in a "how hoppy can you make it" contest and instead have a nice lightly hopped malty amber?


I'm not the person you asked, but here are a few readily-available, not-overhopped beers that are also lighter in color:

New Belgium Fat Tire
Anchor Steam Beer
Goose Island Honker's Ale
Fuller's London Pride
Fuller's ESB
Brooklyn/Pennant Ale '55
Samuel Adams Boston Ale

Basically, to avoid anything you might think is excessively hoppy, stay away from American-style pale ales and IPAs and instead focus on Belgian-style and English-style beers. Generally speaking, American-style beers rely on hops for their character, English-style beers rely on malt and sometimes water with a high mineral content, and Belgian-beers rely on their yeast (there will be exceptions, of course).
 
2013-02-01 09:20:06 AM  

ladyfortuna: We could really use some years with good cyclical weather =/


This is NY, the weather is cyclical on a WEEKLY basis.
 
2013-02-01 09:38:50 AM  

Rev.K: Stone Meadow: Keystone Light still loves ya...$13,97 at the local Winco.

Yay. Cheap 3.2% piss.

Pass.


Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: I long ago decided I'll just down bottles of dry wine before I suffer through another 30 rock of Keystone. God damn Keystone.


No, no...you guys have the wrong attitude. Keystone is not "beer", it's "alternate hydration". Think of it as suitable for drinking while mowing the lawn, weeding the garden or performing other domestic chores. As such it keeps you hydrated without getting you so drunk you risk falling off the John Deer. But as you note, it's not really appropriate for enjoying with NFL games, sharing with friends as if it is a mark of your esteem for them, etc. ;^)
 
2013-02-01 10:13:32 AM  

justinguarini4ever: Obviously the DoJ has its priorities in the right place. I definitely can't think of anything more pressing than the effect of marginally higher prices for average beer on the American people.


Yeah, Because the DOJ is composed of only two lawyers who have to decide if they'll prosecute terrorism or price fixing and there is no divisions within the DOJ that are concerned with anti-trust matters and things of that nature.
 
2013-02-01 10:52:31 AM  
I like how Corona and Heinkein are in the "high end " section. More like "purchaser with more money than taste buds" one.
 
2013-02-01 11:47:21 AM  
I'm not a beer snob, but the only reason that I can think of for people to purchase Bud is if a store/restaurant is out of stock on Coors or Busch.
 
2013-02-01 12:23:47 PM  
The department said that the $20.1 billion transaction would substantially lessen competition in the market for beer in the United States as a whole and in 26 metropolitan areas across the United States, resulting in consumers paying more for beer and having fewer new products from which to choose.

I'm not much of a beer drinker, but is this really a likely problem? Every time I'm at the bar or at a liquor store grabbing a bottle of booze there are a ton of different beers. Isn't the micro-brewing scene large enough that there is usually no shortage of beer options? Or am I just spoiled living in an area where it's fairly prevalent (Chicago/NW Indiana)?
 
2013-02-01 12:47:04 PM  

doofusgumby: 7th Son of a 7th Son: With all the amazing microbrews/craft beer out there it's just sad that people elect to purchase/drink shiatty beer,

Know any good micro/craft brews that aren't in a "how hoppy can you make it" contest and instead have a nice lightly hopped malty amber?


Come to NYC. I have much to show you.
 
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