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(Philadelphia Magazine)   Going vegetarian may cut heart disease risk by a third. But in a world without bacon wrapped steak, is it really worth living?   (blogs.phillymag.com) divider line 91
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2013-01-31 09:24:17 AM
I bet a diet low in sugar would be better. Bring on the pig.
 
2013-01-31 09:25:36 AM
No, subby.  No it isn't.
 
2013-01-31 09:26:23 AM
I think most Farkers would answer subby with:

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2013-01-31 09:27:24 AM
Yes, it's just fine
 
2013-01-31 09:28:11 AM

Chabash: I bet a diet low in HFCS would be better. Bring on the pig.


ftfy
 
2013-01-31 09:28:20 AM
I don't think it's just meat, it's the type and quantity of meat. Vegetarians probably are healthier than people who start off each day with bacon and end it with a half pound hamburger, but what about people who eat modest portions of chicken and fish?
 
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2013-01-31 09:28:46 AM

PsyLord: I think most Farkers would answer subby with:

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2013-01-31 09:31:16 AM
Gotta balance your fats if you're a carnivore.  Plenty of fish and fish oil to balance out the red meat.  People talk about how healthy it is to be a vegetarian but I rarely hear about any vegetarians who actually get enough or the proper proportions of proteins (amino acids).  There are no vegetarians sources for complete protein - you have to mix and match and eats lots of different kinds of legumes.  I like veggies but I wouldn't want to subsist on them alone.
 
2013-01-31 09:33:19 AM
Maybe just moderate your meat eating a bit... You know, bacon wrapped steak every other day?
 
2013-01-31 09:36:57 AM
Is this why people who have been vegetarians for a long time look like crap? Who says animal fats are bad? It's the grains.

I'll keep my paleo diet thank you and my organic bacon. Yum!
 
2013-01-31 09:37:07 AM

ElwoodCuse: Chabash: I bet a diet low in HFCS would be better. Bring on the pig.

ftfy


No, any source of fructose needs to be in strict moderation.
 
2013-01-31 09:37:49 AM
Local grocery has baby back ribs (full rack) for 2.99 a lb. I got the last rack last night, they're getting another truck in tomorrow. Pass the bbq sauce.

/ate a banana and oatmeal for breakfast.
 
2013-01-31 09:38:40 AM
I am a vegetarian.  All of my food eats vegetables.
 
2013-01-31 09:39:43 AM
Portion control, FTW.
 
2013-01-31 09:39:58 AM
If we can only save one child, isnt it worth it to ban all meat?
 
2013-01-31 09:40:00 AM
Everything causes something, and, eventually, it will kill you. Get used to it.
 
2013-01-31 09:42:08 AM

dustygrimp: Portion control, FTW.

 
2013-01-31 09:42:28 AM

Joe Blowme: If we can only save one child, isnt it worth it to ban all meat?


No. The Constitution of the United States of America guarantees me the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Dead children are just the price we pay for happiness.
 
2013-01-31 09:42:31 AM
"the vegetarians in the study were, on average, 10 years younger than the meat-eaters, which could skew the results "

oh.  nevermind
 
2013-01-31 09:43:16 AM
no one gets out of here alive, don't be a pussy. eat meat.

The new meat council slogan
 
2013-01-31 09:43:23 AM

gja: PsyLord: I think most Farkers would answer subby with:

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I went vegan for a year two years ago. It sucked. I was hungry and hypoglycemic all the time, and I gained weight, going from the top of the overweight category into obesity. On the plus side, my triglycerides dropped from 300 to 150, and my cholesterol from 260 to 140.

I was miserable all the time, though, and hated it, so abandoned it in favor of a low-carb diet. Since then I've lost 40 pounds (down to the top of the normal range). My trigs are in the 80's. My total cholesterol is up just over 200, but my doc is not concerned since my HDL is 80, and my fasting blood sugar is 88 with no hypoglycemia.

Time for bacon and eggs... :)
 
2013-01-31 09:43:34 AM

acronym: "the vegetarians in the study were, on average, 10 years younger than the meat-eaters, which could skew the results "

oh.  nevermind


Forever young!!!!
 
2013-01-31 09:45:34 AM
So if you put milk in your coffee, or cereal are you still considered a true vegetarian?

I don't really care except for calling one a hypocrite when possible.
 
2013-01-31 09:49:49 AM
My wife is a vegan. I support her choice.

I am not a vegan...I eat dead animals every single day.

Who the fark am I? Doesn't matter. What matters is that vegans/vegetarians have a pretty solid leg up on us meat eaters when it comes to environmentalism and ethics.

Take an environmental geography class. Then take a statistics class. Then take a class on ethics. Then tell me how eating meat is making the world a better place.
 
2013-01-31 10:01:57 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So if you put milk in your coffee, or cereal are you still considered a true vegetarian?

I don't really care except for calling one a hypocrite when possible.


You're thinking of vegan.  Vegans don't eat any animal products (milk, eggs, cheese, etc).  Vegetarians just don't eat meat.
 
2013-01-31 10:02:37 AM

Carn: Gotta balance your fats if you're a carnivore.  Plenty of fish and fish oil to balance out the red meat.  People talk about how healthy it is to be a vegetarian but I rarely hear about any vegetarians who actually get enough or the proper proportions of proteins (amino acids).  There are no vegetarians sources for complete protein - you have to mix and match and eats lots of different kinds of legumes.  I like veggies but I wouldn't want to subsist on them alone.


In a western country, you should never hear of a vegetarian who DOESN'T get enough protein. It is very easy to get the full compliment of amino acids in the US. It takes almost no work, only a little thoughtfulness about what to eat.  The myth is that you have to eat meat to get enough protein.  A vitamin b12 deficiency is slightly more likely, but still not really for American vegetarians.
 
2013-01-31 10:02:43 AM

Freezingprocess: My wife is a vegan. I support her choice.

I am not a vegan...I eat dead animals every single day.

Who the fark am I? Doesn't matter. What matters is that vegans/vegetarians have a pretty solid leg up on us meat eaters when it comes to environmentalism and ethics.

Take an environmental geography class. Then take a statistics class. Then take a class on ethics. Then tell me how eating meat is making the world a better place.


*sigh* I don't care. No really I don't give a fark about starving brats in Africa those farkers have been starving all my life you would think they would be dead by now.

Yes raising crops vs. meat is a more efficient use of land and water resources, vegetable farming produces more calories per acre then cattle ranching. I still don't care, I like meat, it is a joy to eat, and I can afford to eat it.
 
2013-01-31 10:06:21 AM
I think I just need a common sense balance of meat and Vegetables.

But I will admit I'm starting to cut out bacon in the morning.    I'm trying a new trendy hipster diet, where
I just have Vodka and cold beets for breakfast.
 
2013-01-31 10:07:09 AM
Wellington Pork.   nuf said
 
2013-01-31 10:09:20 AM
There is, of course, a middle ground between eschewing meat totally and eating it constantly.
 
2013-01-31 10:10:15 AM

netcentric: I'm trying a new trendy hipster diet, where
I just have Vodka and cold beets for breakfast.

 
2013-01-31 10:10:51 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So if you put milk in your coffee, or cereal are you still considered a true vegetarian?

I don't really care except for calling one a hypocrite when possible.


As far as I know, vegetarians do eat animal products as milk, honey and eggs. They just don't eat meat.

Vegans are the ones who don't eat any animal product.

To be honest, you can have a vegetarian meal regularly and still feel satisfied, mainly because you still have proteins from the animal products.

Vegan dishes are really unappealing to me for the most part.
 
2013-01-31 10:12:08 AM
Bacon wrapped steak is sad. The steak should stand on its own merits. Save the bacon for wrapping grilled chorizo-stuffed jalapeños or for decorating a potato soup or for breakfast.
 
2013-01-31 10:13:18 AM

Mr. Right: I am a vegetarian.  All of my food eats vegetables.


That makes you a second-order vegeterian.  Personally I love all the vegans, more bacon for me.
 
2013-01-31 10:14:00 AM

Carn: Gotta balance your fats if you're a carnivore.  Plenty of fish and fish oil to balance out the red meat.  People talk about how healthy it is to be a vegetarian but I rarely hear about any vegetarians who actually get enough or the proper proportions of proteins (amino acids).   There are no vegetarians sources for complete protein - you have to mix and match and eats lots of different kinds of legumes.  I like veggies but I wouldn't want to subsist on them alone.


Quinoa would like a word with you.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinoa

Or just eat beans on a corn tortilla, and you're good. That's how the Mexicans stay healthy.

/works for a bean company.
//pass the bacon
///slashies
 
2013-01-31 10:14:56 AM

Joe Blowme: If we can only save one child, isnt it worth it to ban all meat?


That's why I steal the bacon off my daughter's plate. Out of love.
 
2013-01-31 10:15:06 AM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: So if you put milk in your coffee, or cereal are you still considered a true vegetarian?

I don't really care except for calling one a hypocrite when possible.


Vegetarian, yes.  Vegan, no.

I think, from my experience with actual people as well as interacting with you Farkers that the biggest problem with altering our (I mean American) diet to one that isn't over-consuming the world's resources while killing us is that people present it as an all-or-nothing proposition.  As someone said earlier:

dustygrimp: Portion control, FTW.


We could just eat less meat, instead of expecting meat&potatoesX3 types to give up everything for kale.  Part of it is psychology, in that to effect change in yourself a lot of people need to over-commit and so they go vegan when all they needed to do was eat smaller portions of meat with a few vegetarian meals/week thrown in.  When someone used to meatloaf is presented an option that sounds like "All you have to do is skip the meatloaf and instead have this steamed broccoli" they're not going to listen.  In fact, that just as often provokes the "for every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three HA HA HA!" reaction.

Example: There is a burger place here that I frequent.  They're great and the beer selection is killer.  However, all of their patties are 8 oz, though you can get turkey or bean patties, as well as having the option of chicken breast.  But it is a ton of food.  Why?  Because everyone's slinging huge portions to keep their sales totals up, and people have let themselves be convinced that a 1/2lb burger (or a double) is normal.  I'm not old and yet I remember when the "Quarter Pounder" was a big burger.
 
2013-01-31 10:16:09 AM

CatfoodSpork: Carn: Gotta balance your fats if you're a carnivore.  Plenty of fish and fish oil to balance out the red meat.  People talk about how healthy it is to be a vegetarian but I rarely hear about any vegetarians who actually get enough or the proper proportions of proteins (amino acids).  There are no vegetarians sources for complete protein - you have to mix and match and eats lots of different kinds of legumes.  I like veggies but I wouldn't want to subsist on them alone.

In a western country, you should never hear of a vegetarian who DOESN'T get enough protein. It is very easy to get the full compliment of amino acids in the US. It takes almost no work, only a little thoughtfulness about what to eat.  The myth is that you have to eat meat to get enough protein.  A vitamin b12 deficiency is slightly more likely, but still not really for American vegetarians.


You're right.  I've been a vegetarian for 13 years, a vegan for 1, and I'm healthier than I've ever been.  Yes, I take a multivitamin every day.  I have super low cholesterol levels, my cardiac output is 30% above average, and I'm in the best shape of my life.

The problem really is that in NA food is "meat, starch, veggie" and people cut out the meat and try to live on just the veggies and starch.  That's impossible.  Now, yes, you do require all the amino acids, but your body will synthesize all the protein it requires.  (I put about 10 pounds onto my chest and shoulders on a veggie diet.)  Unless you're eating the same thing every single day then you'll be fine.  Diet-based anemia is exceedingly rare even amongst vegetarians and vegans.

Both quinoa and soy have all of the amino acids.

But I'm sure everyone in this thread has a degree in nutrition.  Also, can someone post that picture of the cow saying that there's no such thing as a vegan?
 
2013-01-31 10:18:24 AM

CatfoodSpork: Carn: Gotta balance your fats if you're a carnivore.  Plenty of fish and fish oil to balance out the red meat.  People talk about how healthy it is to be a vegetarian but I rarely hear about any vegetarians who actually get enough or the proper proportions of proteins (amino acids).  There are no vegetarians sources for complete protein - you have to mix and match and eats lots of different kinds of legumes.  I like veggies but I wouldn't want to subsist on them alone.

In a western country, you should never hear of a vegetarian who DOESN'T get enough protein. It is very easy to get the full compliment of amino acids in the US. It takes almost no work, only a little thoughtfulness about what to eat.  The myth is that you have to eat meat to get enough protein.  A vitamin b12 deficiency is slightly more likely, but still not really for American vegetarians.


Very much this. I have been a vegetarian for 17 years now and have never put much effort into mixing and matching anything and have had no troubles at all. The closest I came to having to put effort in was when I got very into body building. Prior to being a vegetarian, I had to put just as much thought into eating when seriously working out, so it is a wash.
 
2013-01-31 10:22:28 AM
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All this talk about steak makes me want to get one for lunch.

/get in my belly already!
 
2013-01-31 10:22:54 AM

dchurch0: Carn: Gotta balance your fats if you're a carnivore.  Plenty of fish and fish oil to balance out the red meat.  People talk about how healthy it is to be a vegetarian but I rarely hear about any vegetarians who actually get enough or the proper proportions of proteins (amino acids).   There are no vegetarians sources for complete protein - you have to mix and match and eats lots of different kinds of legumes.  I like veggies but I wouldn't want to subsist on them alone.

Quinoa would like a word with you.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinoa

Or just eat beans on a corn tortilla, and you're good. That's how the Mexicans stay healthy.

/works for a bean company.
//pass the bacon
///slashies


I sit corrected.  How many Americans eat quinoa on a regular basis?  I didn't even know what it was until a couple of years ago.  The other is soy, which may be fine for women, but can cause estrogen increases and is generally not desirable for men.

I guess I'm just thinking of anecdotal evidence of women I used to work with who were vegetarian and by that they meant they ate lettuce and mostly carbs.  Cookies, cereal, whatever you eat is ok because it's not deadly red meat!  Paleo and similar diets seem like  the way to go for most of us.  Whether that's anything close to realistic for society as a whole is a different question (to which to the current answer is no).
 
2013-01-31 10:25:03 AM
Trust me, we Vegans can whip up mean "meaty" dishes that does NOT involve tofu on processed meats. Cookbooks like "The sexy vegan cookbook" are GREAT examples of this.

and as for the bacon thing, don't worry: We got that covered! Bac-Os (the store brand at least) are VEGAN, muahahah. Oh yeah, and then there's liquid smoke (which I put on all my portobello/bean burgers) that can really improve upon a dish.
 
2013-01-31 10:29:57 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: Yes, it's just fine


I seem to be getting along just fine without bacon.
 
2013-01-31 10:30:08 AM

Ima_Lurker: Mr. Right: I am a vegetarian.  All of my food eats vegetables.

That makes you a second-order vegeterian.  Personally I love all the vegans, more bacon for me.


second-order vegetarian or vegetarian once-removed?  All this scientific terminology is so hard to remember!
 
2013-01-31 10:31:18 AM
I save steak for special occasions - my birthday, Christmas, Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day, Easter, 4th of July, Flag Day, Labor Day, a good BM day, Saturday, Sunday...
 
2013-01-31 10:31:36 AM

mafiageek1980: Trust me, we Vegans can whip up mean "meaty" dishes that does NOT involve tofu on processed meats. Cookbooks like "The sexy vegan cookbook" are GREAT examples of this.

and as for the bacon thing, don't worry: We got that covered! Bac-Os (the store brand at least) are VEGAN, muahahah. Oh yeah, and then there's liquid smoke (which I put on all my portobello/bean burgers) that can really improve upon a dish.


I've always wondered why vegetarians and vegans work so hard to replicate what they eschew.
 
2013-01-31 10:33:11 AM

Freezingprocess: What matters is that vegans/vegetarians have a pretty solid leg up on us meat eaters when it comes to environmentalism and ethics.


Who cares about the moral high ground? It's not as if there is a flood coming in.
 
2013-01-31 10:33:46 AM
Extreme veganism often result in the early onset of osteoporosis.

Now barbeque me that cow.
 
2013-01-31 10:35:44 AM

KawaiiNot: Is this why people who have been vegetarians for a long time look like crap? Who says animal fats are bad? It's the grains.

I'll keep my paleo diet thank you and my organic bacon. Yum!


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Ya she looks terrible.

Here is a meat eater for ya.
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2013-01-31 10:35:45 AM

verbaltoxin: I save steak for special occasions - my birthday, Christmas, Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's Day, Easter, 4th of July, Flag Day, Labor Day, a good BM day, Saturday, Sunday...


I hear ya, i only have it on days that wnd in -ay
 
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