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2013-01-31 03:52:41 PM

Quaker: atomicmask: Quaker: Lee451: I agree with atomicmask. Thank God taking everyone's guns solves all crime and makes people safer. One of the invaders may have been hurt.

Given the fact that Britain's homicide rate makes the U.S. look like some Mad Max-style post-apocalyptic free-for-all by comparison, I would say that, yes, it has made people safer. Or are you saying that because it didn't eliminate 100% of violent crime then it's not worth doing at all?

Also, and I'm not sure about this, but aren't shotguns still relatively accessible to people in Britain?

Except that Violent crime is far worse in Britain then in the united states. you are more likely to die from violent crime in the us, but you have a far, far, far, far less chance of experiencing violent crime at all in the united states.

So I guess its up to you, do you like to be a perpetual victim that lives a long life being abused by thugs? Go to britain. Do you want to go threw life with little chance of violent crime happening to you but if it does you may die? Stay in the united states.

personally I rather have little chance of violent crime at all.

First of all, the difference between the two is not nearly as drastic as a "little chance of violent crime at all" versus being "a perpetual victim that lives a long life being abused by thugs".

That being said, while part of me might agree with you in principle, I can't help but think that trading a substantially higher overall violent crime rate for a substantially higher homicide rate means that many innocent people will die so I don't have to endure a higher risk of someone beating me up and taking my wallet. I don't think I could look those hypothetical dead peoples' loved ones in the eyes and tell them that.

That is, assuming that there is a direct causal relationship between the two. It's possible that the reasons behind the variations in the ratios of violent crime rates to homicide rates between the two countries are more complex than just the av ...


I could. I could also look people in the eye and tell them that giving up freedom and rights in exchange for security is equal to treason to me. I do not care if innocent people die, the fact is everyone on the planet dies. Every single one of us. I dislike that a person had to die, but to think I am willing to give up my right and ability to defend myself in exchange for someone elses tiny increase in security is insanity.
 
2013-01-31 04:45:09 PM

towatchoverme: Maybe it's just me, but i prefer not to dwell on the miniscule chance that someone might break into my house - while i was there - to rob me.

I'd rather spend that time thinking about the equally miniscule chance that Alyssa Milano and Jeri Ryan might be in a car together and have a breakdown outside my house while i just happened to be mixing up warm Jello in the hot tub.




Statistically speaking, the average american will have their home and/or business burglarized 2.3 times in their life... 33% of which will include the victim being present at the time.

Slightly more likely than your love scenario.
 
2013-01-31 04:53:21 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: whizbangthedirtfarmer: atomicmask: Good thing they didn't have any firearms, or else the home owner may have infringed on the robbers rights to threaten and harm his son and take his personal belongings. We gotta protect the rights of criminals.

If I had to choose, I'd rather have a criminal in my house with an axe or a knife rather than a gun, dumbass.

If I had to choose, I'd rather not have a criminal in my house. If one did happen to force their way in, I think I'd like to be in possession of a firearm, and not in the position of hoping they will show restraint with my families safety.

But that's just me.

I'd rather not live in a "law abiding gun owner" society if I have to answer the goddamned door holding a gun, dumbass.




I answered my door without a gun once... and got bum rushed by 3 crack heads who beat me, locked me in a closet, and spent quite awhile emptying my place of anything valuable.

I now answer the door with my CCW handy.

/True story
 
2013-01-31 05:47:26 PM
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2013-01-31 06:50:43 PM

Alonjar: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: whizbangthedirtfarmer: atomicmask: Good thing they didn't have any firearms, or else the home owner may have infringed on the robbers rights to threaten and harm his son and take his personal belongings. We gotta protect the rights of criminals.

If I had to choose, I'd rather have a criminal in my house with an axe or a knife rather than a gun, dumbass.

If I had to choose, I'd rather not have a criminal in my house. If one did happen to force their way in, I think I'd like to be in possession of a firearm, and not in the position of hoping they will show restraint with my families safety.

But that's just me.

I'd rather not live in a "law abiding gun owner" society if I have to answer the goddamned door holding a gun, dumbass.

I answered my door without a gun once... and got bum rushed by 3 crack heads who beat me, locked me in a closet, and spent quite awhile emptying my place of anything valuable.

I now answer the door with my CCW handy.

/True story


Seems like you might want to move.
 
2013-01-31 07:36:43 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Alonjar: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: whizbangthedirtfarmer: atomicmask: Good thing they didn't have any firearms, or else the home owner may have infringed on the robbers rights to threaten and harm his son and take his personal belongings. We gotta protect the rights of criminals.

If I had to choose, I'd rather have a criminal in my house with an axe or a knife rather than a gun, dumbass.

If I had to choose, I'd rather not have a criminal in my house. If one did happen to force their way in, I think I'd like to be in possession of a firearm, and not in the position of hoping they will show restraint with my families safety.

But that's just me.

I'd rather not live in a "law abiding gun owner" society if I have to answer the goddamned door holding a gun, dumbass.

I answered my door without a gun once... and got bum rushed by 3 crack heads who beat me, locked me in a closet, and spent quite awhile emptying my place of anything valuable.

I now answer the door with my CCW handy.

/True story

Seems like you might want to move.




Thats the same response I always get. I lived in a very nice, affluent, and honestly entirely white area. It was actually a gated neighborhood. They correctly assumed that I had nicer stuff to steal than people in the ghetto.
 
2013-01-31 08:14:23 PM

Alonjar: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Alonjar: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: whizbangthedirtfarmer: atomicmask: Good thing they didn't have any firearms, or else the home owner may have infringed on the robbers rights to threaten and harm his son and take his personal belongings. We gotta protect the rights of criminals.

If I had to choose, I'd rather have a criminal in my house with an axe or a knife rather than a gun, dumbass.

If I had to choose, I'd rather not have a criminal in my house. If one did happen to force their way in, I think I'd like to be in possession of a firearm, and not in the position of hoping they will show restraint with my families safety.

But that's just me.

I'd rather not live in a "law abiding gun owner" society if I have to answer the goddamned door holding a gun, dumbass.

I answered my door without a gun once... and got bum rushed by 3 crack heads who beat me, locked me in a closet, and spent quite awhile emptying my place of anything valuable.

I now answer the door with my CCW handy.

/True story

Seems like you might want to move.

Thats the same response I always get. I lived in a very nice, affluent, and honestly entirely white area. It was actually a gated neighborhood. They correctly assumed that I had nicer stuff to steal than people in the ghetto.


So now you live in perpetual fear and answer the door with a loaded weapon each time?  If not moving, then maybe you need counseling.
 
2013-01-31 11:17:35 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: So now you live in perpetual fear and answer the door with a loaded weapon each time?  If not moving, then maybe you need counseling.


I think its fascinating that people jump to such conclusions.  It isnt an emotional response at all, it is entirely logical to me.  If the chance of a threat being at the door is greater than zero... why take the risk?  Its not like it takes any more time or is inconvenient.  There is no real down side for me, only a benefit.  I dont say "Oh hey i've never had a car accident before, the chances of being killed in a wreck are pretty slim, I guess I dont need to wear a seat belt."

lol... counseling.  "Bad things can happen in the world, so if they happen to you, you should just accept being a victim."

Right.  You do that.
 
2013-02-01 12:28:37 AM

atomicmask: I do not care if innocent people die


This is a good example of why we call you "gun nuts".
 
2013-02-01 07:27:10 AM

Alonjar: whizbangthedirtfarmer: So now you live in perpetual fear and answer the door with a loaded weapon each time?  If not moving, then maybe you need counseling.

I think its fascinating that people jump to such conclusions.  It isnt an emotional response at all, it is entirely logical to me.  If the chance of a threat being at the door is greater than zero... why take the risk?  Its not like it takes any more time or is inconvenient.  There is no real down side for me, only a benefit.  I dont say "Oh hey i've never had a car accident before, the chances of being killed in a wreck are pretty slim, I guess I dont need to wear a seat belt."

lol... counseling.  "Bad things can happen in the world, so if they happen to you, you should just accept being a victim."

Right.  You do that.


From that perspective, you have a "greater than zero" chance of being struck by lightning, of being hit by a car while out for a walk, and, well, pretty much every nasty fate you can think of.  Do you bring a loaded weapon with you everywhere you can go?  Do you take precautions when you go out for a walk?  How obsessed with safety are you?  Or are you more willing to hide behind a gun and call it "normal" in an effort to avoid looking in the mirror?
 
2013-02-01 09:33:01 AM

Alonjar: towatchoverme: Maybe it's just me, but i prefer not to dwell on the miniscule chance that someone might break into my house - while i was there - to rob me.

I'd rather spend that time thinking about the equally miniscule chance that Alyssa Milano and Jeri Ryan might be in a car together and have a breakdown outside my house while i just happened to be mixing up warm Jello in the hot tub.

Statistically speaking, the average american will have their home and/or business burglarized 2.3 times in their life... 33% of which will include the victim being present at the time.

Slightly more likely than your love scenario.


Horsehockey.

2010 FBI Stats say the stats in suburban neighborhoods is 560 break-ins per 100,000 homes.  I don't know how that turns into the stat you cited, but i'm gonna take my chances with Jeri and Alyssa, thanks.
 
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