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(NJ.com)   NJ man murders neighbor using military-style compound bow equipped with high-capacity quiver   (nj.com) divider line 209
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2013-01-31 02:05:17 AM
Was it any of these guys?

www.nps.gov

Hotter than a buxom medieval chick
 
2013-01-31 02:45:10 AM
Bows don't kill people, Vikings do.
 
2013-01-31 04:51:01 AM
Long bows are considered to be artillery.
 
2013-01-31 07:19:17 AM
This illustrates the futility of bans on weapons:  Crossbows were first banned by Papal decree in 1139 AD.
 
2013-01-31 07:29:51 AM
I blame the Republicans!
 
2013-01-31 07:38:48 AM
i586.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-31 07:43:29 AM
i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-31 07:44:05 AM
Oh, is this the thread where we mistake anecdotes for statistical data because it's ideologically convenient? Cool I love those.
 
2013-01-31 07:57:19 AM

ib_thinkin: Oh, is this the thread where we mistake anecdotes for statistical data because it's ideologically convenient? Cool I love those.


No, this is the thread where we get righteous indignation at 7:44am on a website that features a squirrel with large nuts.
 
2013-01-31 07:59:40 AM

Frank N Stein: No, this is the thread where we get righteous indignation at 7:44am on a website that features a squirrel with large nuts.


My mistake; it's 9PM here.
 
2013-01-31 08:03:24 AM

ib_thinkin: Frank N Stein: No, this is the thread where we get righteous indignation at 7:44am on a website that features a squirrel with large nuts.

My mistake; it's 9PM here.


Pshh. Commie timezone.
 
2013-01-31 08:09:28 AM
Nuts? Where? I like nuts.
 
2013-01-31 08:10:24 AM

Frank N Stein: Pshh. Commie timezone.


All the clocks are red; it's weird.
 
2013-01-31 08:12:10 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Long bows are considered to be artillery.


Actually, longbows were the "assault weapons" of their day.
 
2013-01-31 08:16:06 AM

dittybopper: jehovahs witness protection: Long bows are considered to be artillery.

Actually, longbows were the "assault weapons" of their day.


Peasantry have no use for military style longbows. If you want protection, use an axe and register it with your lord.
 
2013-01-31 08:20:41 AM

Frank N Stein: [i47.tinypic.com image 685x600]


Can you stitch a tank and a F16 on that cloth?
 
2013-01-31 08:20:42 AM
Was it this guy? Because he can fire a crazy number of arrows.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-31 08:25:11 AM

dittybopper: jehovahs witness protection: Long bows are considered to be artillery.

Actually, longbows were the "assault weapons" of their day.


Normally I'd come down on your side by default (jwp too for that matter...), but here I think I'm going to have to agree with the 'artillery' side.  Most any picture, description, movie, etc that you see of a middle ages battle has the bowmen standing behind the infantry lobbing masses of arrows in a high arc into the other side's line.  More indirect fire than face to face infantry fighting where an assault rifle would be used.  In that case the sword would be a more accurate comparison.

As to the actual story itself, just lock up everyone mentioned just to be safe.  Of course the shooter heading off to the woods to hide the bow before calling for help is not going to help his case any (nor for that matter would telling the neighbors 'aw he's just drunk, let him sleep it off...' while he's bleeding out in the backyard).
 
2013-01-31 08:48:49 AM
Poor Legolas. He will have to use a sword now.
 
2013-01-31 08:54:33 AM

Recoil Therapy: In that case the sword would be a more accurate comparison.


Swords are great and many people even used them, but there's only one weapon that's stuck with humanity through thick and thin and that's the spear. Even guns today are just very long range spears. They still use the same general principle of maximum force to the minimum area at a safe distance.
 
2013-01-31 09:01:12 AM
Somebody needs to let Diane Feinstein know about this Assault Bow Threat right away!
 
2013-01-31 09:01:51 AM
Seriously, America, you guys really can't handle the responsibilities of being allowed to leave the house, can you?
 
2013-01-31 09:03:37 AM
Wayne LaPierre is somewhere masturbating furiously to this story.
 
2013-01-31 09:05:56 AM

Recoil Therapy: Normally I'd come down on your side by default (jwp too for that matter...), but here I think I'm going to have to agree with the 'artillery' side.  Most any picture, description, movie, etc that you see of a middle ages battle has the bowmen standing behind the infantry lobbing masses of arrows in a high arc into the other side's line.  More indirect fire than face to face infantry fighting where an assault rifle would be used.  In that case the sword would be a more accurate comparison.


Well, I'm going to have to disagree with you for a number of reasons.

First, longbows were commonly owned, and could be wielded by a single person, not just in the context of a battle, but also for hunting, target shooting, and for criminal misuse.  In fact, those last 3 cases were arguably more common than the military uses.

Second, when employed in battle, they were used both in indirect fire and direct fire modes, as the situation warranted.  This is no different than the infantrymen of the United Kingdom during WWI being trained to shoot their SMLE's in volley fire at area targets 1,000+ yards away in addition to being trained to shoot at discrete targets at closer distances.

Third, it was often the case that most casualties from longbows happened at relatively short range, especially after 1400:  As armor got better, it was harder for arrows from a longbow to penetrated it even at short range, and the ability of a man to pull a bow of ever-increasing pull weight was reaching it's limit.  This was a factor at Poitiers, where the English longbowmen couldn't penetrate the frontal armor of the French knights and their destriers sent to dislodge them, so they stood in the swamps by the side of the road and shot them where their armor was weaker, on the side and back.  By the time of Agincourt, you have many of the casualties happening at quite close range, because it was nigh on impossible for the average bodkin to penetrate the best armor, so the archers would fire galling volleys at long range, but the real action happened at close range where they could aim at chinks in the armor, especially in the face region.  A knight has to be able to see and breath, and that means there must be openings in the armor in that region.  Most of the French casualties at Agincourt seem to have been due to crowd collapse and to the archers, who were much more mobile and quick due to a lack of heavy plate armor, using weapons like the lead mallet to defeat the dismounted French knights.

Pretty much the only famous battle that I know of that was an out-and-out archery duel like you posit was the Battle of Towton, where the Lancastrian and Yorkist archers duked it out in a snowstorm, at  the edge of visibility to each other.

If you are interested in the subject, there is no better source for it than The Minister for Magic, Cornelius Fudge.   No, seriously, he is.
 
2013-01-31 09:06:00 AM
I looked for a quiver online and found maybe the most unfortunate product name I've ever seen:


Bohning Youth Tube Quiver, Pink
 
2013-01-31 09:06:26 AM

stevie1der: Wayne LaPierre is somewhere masturbating furiously to this story.


Really?  I always had him pegged as an Asian cheerleader enthusiast.
 
2013-01-31 09:07:10 AM
s3.hubimg.com

You have to ask yourself...
 
2013-01-31 09:08:41 AM
Oliver Queen wanted for questioning.
 
2013-01-31 09:09:08 AM
Nothing is perfect, so never do anything!
 
2013-01-31 09:09:16 AM
Uncle Tedly?
 
2013-01-31 09:12:41 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com

That man never runs out of arrows, and it's designed for military-use!

/really enjoying the new WYSIWYG editor
 
2013-01-31 09:15:42 AM
In b4 Deliverance.
 
2013-01-31 09:16:20 AM
Again, we are focusing on the longbow when the majority of medievel alley assaults used the smaller and easier to conceal dagger.  But since the law says it's ok to carry daggers let's all just focus on restriciting the scary-looking military assault longbow.

\amidoinitrite?
 
2013-01-31 09:19:58 AM
 
2013-01-31 09:20:01 AM
Henry V found some more French to wipe out in Jersey?

Tell me more.
 
2013-01-31 09:20:14 AM
When the founding fathers wrote the Constitution, they only had Atlatls.  If they would have know that something like a longbow would have existed, then they wouldn't have put the second amendment in the document!.
 
2013-01-31 09:20:54 AM

dittybopper: Well, I'm going to have to disagree with you for a number of reasons.... BBOIT (big block of interesting text) ....

If you are interested in the subject, there is no better source for it than The Minister for Magic, Cornelius Fudge.

Sadly I'm heading out the door to work otherwise we might be able to make an interesting threadjack from a dufus in NJ into a discussion on middle ages warfare.  Ah well, what could have been.  Suffice it to say that I'll agree with you overall.  In my defense I had just watched Gladiator again over the weekend & my mind flashed to the opening scenes where the archers were volley firing into the Germans/Saxons. With that in mind I completely disregarded later advances in armor & the need for much closer, more accurate fire (either that or coming up with a knight killer teflon arrow....) along with the more mundane day to day nonmilitary uses of the bow.  But thanks for the very good counter argument/defending your original position.

One thing I will never change my mind about though is seeing RH as Siegfried Farnon rather than Cornelius Fudge...
 
2013-01-31 09:21:06 AM
Boys will be boys, i guess.
 
2013-01-31 09:22:37 AM

LasersHurt: Nothing is perfect, so never do anything!


You have a point but if you are going to do something, make sure it has a chance of helping.

1....2....3....

that is how long it takes me to switch clips in my pistol and resume firing [sadly, this is not a euphemism].

If I can have 6 x 10 shot clips instead of 4 x 16 shot clips, it means that you delayed my massacre by 6 seconds.  The problem with gun control advocates is that they don't know shiat about guns (generally speaking of course).

I'm more interested in enhancing the background check approach as I think that has a better chance of making a difference.
 
2013-01-31 09:25:25 AM
forums.bowsite.com

Was it this guy?
 
2013-01-31 09:26:11 AM
Capable of mass murder with bow and arrow:
ironingboardcollective.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-31 09:26:49 AM

Arrows. They'll fark you up. I recall two murders where the murder weapons were bows and arrows, over a period of a couple of decades, in the district where I used to live. In one incident, some mentally ill street dude arrow shot an 80 something year old lady, and in another, out in the countryside, someone ambushed some church preacher and killed him by shooting him with an arrow, causing him to bleed out in the boonies. The killer was never caught, if I remember correctly.




That said:
i466.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-31 09:28:15 AM

Captain Meatsack: Again, we are focusing on the longbow when the majority of medievel alley assaults used the smaller and easier to conceal dagger.  But since the law says it's ok to carry daggers let's all just focus on restriciting the scary-looking military assault longbow.

\amidoinitrite?


Actually daggers are illegal in NY
 
2013-01-31 09:29:58 AM

Captain Meatsack: Again, we are focusing on the longbow when the majority of medievel alley assaults used the smaller and easier to conceal dagger.  But since the law says it's ok to carry daggers let's all just focus on restriciting the scary-looking military assault longbow.

\amidoinitrite?


Yudoinitrite.
 
2013-01-31 09:30:22 AM

blank_czech


The problem with gun control advocates is that they don't know shiat about guns (generally speaking of course).


This from a person who - despite the abundance of relevant Fark threads - still doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine.


unless you have a broomhandle Mauser, which I doubt
 
2013-01-31 09:31:21 AM
www.tokeofthetown.com
Imagine being killed by a bow and arrow, that would suck. An arrow killed you?: They would never solve the crime. "Look at that dead guy... let's go that way."
 
2013-01-31 09:31:59 AM
 That ex-girlfriend happens to be the sister of Canfield's current fiance, the attorney said.

This is getting so West Texas.
 
2013-01-31 09:32:40 AM

AmazinTim: [www.tokeofthetown.com image 400x350]
Imagine being killed by a bow and arrow, that would suck. An arrow killed you?: They would never solve the crime. "Look at that dead guy... let's go that way."


Think that's bad? Imagine if heroine killed you.
 
2013-01-31 09:33:01 AM
Zucker also said Paulsen had stalked his ex-girlfriend at the North Brill Road home, a claim he said is verified by several police reports. That ex-girlfriend happens to be the sister of Canfield's current fiance, the attorney said.

Zucker added that Paulsen had also secretly entered the house on occasion through a window. The attorney said he has reason to believe Paulsen told the ex-girlfriend he was HIV positive and threatened to infect the household with the illness using a needle.

In fact, Zucker continued, the accused thought Paulsen may have had a needle with him on the night of the killing.


I find this part more disturbing.
 
2013-01-31 09:35:39 AM
Thanks a lot Katniss.
 
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