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2013-01-31 01:42:09 AM
This phenomenon has an explanation. It is called the lack-of-attachment syndrome. This diagnosis, along with fetal alcohol syndrome, is attributed in the United States to adopted children, especially to those adopted from Russia.

Am I the only one who read that in a Rocky & Bullwinkle announcer voice?
 
2013-01-31 03:17:07 AM

davidphogan: Am I the only one who read that in a Rocky & Bullwinkle announcer voice?


Well, I didn't until you said that.
 
2013-01-31 07:27:03 AM
I blame the Republicans!
 
2013-01-31 07:34:11 AM
While I personally think attachment theory is crap because it basically blames the parents (mostly the mother) for everything, that article was off on the coo-coo train.
 
2013-01-31 07:49:17 AM
I've read lots of parenting books in my 21 years of child raising (I was going to say 'rearing', but I remembered where I was) I don't recall actual torture in any of those books. The worst I can remember is letting a baby cry it out. (That didn't work for me).
 
2013-01-31 07:57:35 AM
Oh great, a Pravda article. The only "news" source posted on here that's less believable than the Daily Fail.
 
2013-01-31 07:57:55 AM

Earpj: I've read lots of parenting books in my 21 years of child raising (I was going to say 'rearing', but I remembered where I was) I don't recall actual torture in any of those books. The worst I can remember is letting a baby cry it out. (That didn't work for me).


So they told you not to let your kids watch Barney?

/torture for the adults
 
2013-01-31 07:58:49 AM
Link appears to be farked. But considering its Pravda, I'm sure its a fair, reasonable, and accurate look at how things really are in the US.
 
2013-01-31 08:01:18 AM
Happy Hours:
So they told you not to let your kids watch Barney?

/torture for the adults


Gads! The hours of watching Barney! UGH.
Granted, when I was early pregnant with my 2nd, and exhausted 24/7, I could pop in "Barney Live" for my 2 yr old and snooze on the couch for 45 minutes. Only to be roused to rewind it or get her a drink.

/Everything has pros and cons.
 
2013-01-31 08:02:26 AM

davidphogan: This phenomenon has an explanation. It is called the lack-of-attachment syndrome. This diagnosis, along with fetal alcohol syndrome, is attributed in the United States to adopted children, especially to those adopted from Russia.

Am I the only one who read that in a Rocky & Bullwinkle announcer voice?


Natasha approves this message, comrade
 
2013-01-31 08:03:01 AM

Earpj: I've read lots of parenting books in my 21 years of child raising (I was going to say 'rearing', but I remembered where I was) I don't recall actual torture in any of those books. The worst I can remember is letting a baby cry it out. (That didn't work for me).



"Crying it out" only really works if they cry out in a few minutes, else it just becomes unpleasant for everyone.

I wonder if this lady had a husband who did these same things to her, if she'd think it unfair.
 
2013-01-31 08:04:18 AM
Pravda is Truth.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
 
2013-01-31 08:06:59 AM
www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net
 
2013-01-31 08:07:02 AM
DRTFA, but my first thought after reading the headline was, "authoritarian parenting".
 
2013-01-31 08:07:28 AM
In 2007, there were 4,726 children exported from Guatemala to the United States. In 2009, the number reduced to 754, in 2011 - to only 32. Vietnam also banned the "export" of its children. In 2007, U.S. citizens adopted 828 Vietnamese children, in 2010 - 9, in 2011 - 0. Even the Chinese export of children to the U.S. has decreased by 50% over the past five years.


I'm good with this. Would-be parents in the US should look for children in the US. There are plenty available. Oh wait, I forgot, they aren't all non-black.
 
2013-01-31 08:07:49 AM
Or maybe whoever handles adoptions in Russia could actually do background checks instead of handing over children to any foreign family that can write a check?
 
2013-01-31 08:09:06 AM
This is an anti-US adoption propoganda article. Attachment Therapy is horrible, yes, which is why it is illegal in many states and frowned upon by all but a whacked few. And the lady with the hot sauce and cold showers? HATED. Dr Phil (sorry...) even did a series of episodes ripping her a new one.

Yes this shiat happens. No it is not how America parents. Hey Russia? Do you want us taking a close-up look at how Russians parent? Because I'm sure it's not all sunshine and puppies. And take care of your own orphaned children and they wouldn't have to leave the country.
 
2013-01-31 08:12:57 AM
ftfa "serious head injuries incompatible with life"

Why does this description make me giggle?

/bad, bad me
 
2013-01-31 08:13:02 AM

namegoeshere: This is an anti-US adoption propoganda article. Attachment Therapy is horrible, yes, which is why it is illegal in many states and frowned upon by all but a whacked few. And the lady with the hot sauce and cold showers? HATED. Dr Phil (sorry...) even did a series of episodes ripping her a new one.

Yes this shiat happens. No it is not how America parents. Hey Russia? Do you want us taking a close-up look at how Russians parent? Because I'm sure it's not all sunshine and puppies. And take care of your own orphaned children and they wouldn't have to leave the country.


Yes, it's propaganda. It's pushing an agenda. The same thing the American media does.
 
2013-01-31 08:14:13 AM
Dreyelle:
I'm good with this. Would-be parents in the US should look for children in the US. There are plenty available. Oh wait, I forgot, they aren't all non-black.

This is true. Tho, I have heard that some are scared off b/c in America, there are horror stories of birth parents getting their kids back. In foreign countries, once the kid is adopted, that's it. 

Also, I've looked at lists of kids up for adoption in Texas. They're either large families or have serious disabilities that most people just aren't able to deal with.

/Disclaimer: This is what I've read, so it isn't known as fact to me, just an idea.
 
2013-01-31 08:19:28 AM
Asserting that Attachment Therapy is representative of US parenting is like claiming the "Three Guys One Hammer" maniacs are representative of Russian woodworking.
 
2013-01-31 08:19:47 AM

Dreyelle: In 2007, there were 4,726 children exported from Guatemala to the United States. In 2009, the number reduced to 754, in 2011 - to only 32. Vietnam also banned the "export" of its children. In 2007, U.S. citizens adopted 828 Vietnamese children, in 2010 - 9, in 2011 - 0. Even the Chinese export of children to the U.S. has decreased by 50% over the past five years.

I'm good with this. Would-be parents in the US should look for children in the US. There are plenty available. Oh wait, I forgot, they aren't all non-black.  perfect.

 
2013-01-31 08:22:20 AM
... incidents of child abuse entail a punishment of at least three years in prison. However, when it comes to children from Russia, the terms turn to probational ones.

Oh, get over yourselves. You're not special and you're not treated differently.

Buncha whiny white Christians.
 
2013-01-31 08:22:38 AM
Sure, blame the good American foster parents who rescued these poor damaged children.  Would you rather they stood in breadlines for days on end like all other Russians?  And be forced to call everyone 'Comrade'? Be given nothing but wodka in their bottles?  Being forced to trudge through miles kilometers of snow, year round, on their way to the salt mines?  Because that's what Russia is, I read it in a definitive news-like article nearly thirty years ago.
 
2013-01-31 08:23:29 AM

badhatharry: Yes, it's propaganda. It's pushing an agenda. The same thing the American media does.


I saw nothing nuttier than what I read here on a regular basis.  Their view of us may be a little less twisted than our own as the world's police.
 
2013-01-31 08:24:11 AM
Meh, my mom used to take me to K-Mart just so she could beat me.
 
2013-01-31 08:25:23 AM

mytdawg: badhatharry: Yes, it's propaganda. It's pushing an agenda. The same thing the American media does.

I saw nothing nuttier than what I read here in our news sources on a regular basis.  Their view of us may be a little less twisted than our own as the world's police.


Didn't mean "here" so much but it qualifies.
 
2013-01-31 08:27:58 AM
FTA: serious head injuries incompatible with life

I see someone already pointed it out, but it bears repeating:

[snort!]
 
2013-01-31 08:30:46 AM

namegoeshere: This is an anti-US adoption propoganda article. Attachment Therapy is horrible, yes, which is why it is illegal in many states and frowned upon by all but a whacked few. And the lady with the hot sauce and cold showers? HATED. Dr Phil (sorry...) even did a series of episodes ripping her a new one.

Yes this shiat happens. No it is not how America parents. Hey Russia? Do you want us taking a close-up look at how Russians parent? Because I'm sure it's not all sunshine and puppies. And take care of your own orphaned children and they wouldn't have to leave the country.


Or not parent, as the case may be.  I've been to orphanages in ex-Soviet countries where the kids are all failed abortions.  And yes, I mean that literally, and yes, they were just as depressing and soul crushing as you might think.  We may have our issues here, but they are nothing when compared to places in the world where the government can literally do whatever it wants and you can be thrown out of a window or just disappeared for questioning.
 
2013-01-31 08:34:37 AM

eKonk: Sure, blame the good American foster parents who rescued these poor damaged children.  Would you rather they stood in breadlines for days on end like all other Russians?  And be forced to call everyone 'Comrade'? Be given nothing but wodka in their bottles?  Being forced to trudge through miles kilometers of snow, year round, on their way to the salt mines?  Because that's what Russia is, I read it in a definitive news-like article nearly thirty years ago.


You are sorely out of touch with modern Russia.  it is not longer long trudges to salt mines.  From my hours of research, it is now one large game of Frogger where you have to avoid drunken motorists driving their little commie rattle trap cars.  The difficultly is that you are drunk too, even as child.  Because in Russia, everyone is always drunk.  But its okay as royalties from dashcam footage is now Russia's major source of income.  I know this from hours of fantastic YouTube and Break videos.
 
2013-01-31 08:35:06 AM

Old enough to know better: Link appears to be farked. But considering its Pravda, I'm sure its a fair, reasonable, and accurate look at how things really are in the US.


No extrapolation based on isolated incidents.  No siree!
 
2013-01-31 08:35:24 AM
We need to toughen these kids up for the civil war raging in Michigan.
 
2013-01-31 08:35:31 AM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Dreyelle: In 2007, there were 4,726 children exported from Guatemala to the United States. In 2009, the number reduced to 754, in 2011 - to only 32. Vietnam also banned the "export" of its children. In 2007, U.S. citizens adopted 828 Vietnamese children, in 2010 - 9, in 2011 - 0. Even the Chinese export of children to the U.S. has decreased by 50% over the past five years.

I'm good with this. Would-be parents in the US should look for children in the US. There are plenty available. Oh wait, I forgot, they aren't all non-black.  perfect.


I for one am shocked that the predominately white pool of adoptive parents might want to seek out children of their own race.  While most parents will inform the child later in life about their origins, I can't believe that many would want to have a child of a different race because it's easier to keep the lie going into adolescence and pretend that it "could be" their biological child.

Nah, what am I saying?  This is obviously a sign that Americans are racist and hate black kids, right?
 
2013-01-31 08:38:35 AM
I know a child who was adopted from Bulgaria. I've heard her story is very similar to Russian adoptions.

When she arrived in the US as a two-year old, she had some serious issues and PTSD from her treatment at the orphanage. It would take me a book to share all the stories and they'll just make me cry so I'll spare you. It took years for her to trust anyone and she will always be developmentally at least 2 years behind all her peers. Her mother went to support groups with other parents who had adopted from Bulgaria and Russia and they all shared similar horror stories and none of them ever discussed any of the methods described (except to mention that many of these "techniques" had been used on their children in the orphanages prior to adoption).

So you'll excuse me if I call hogwash.
 
2013-01-31 08:40:26 AM

Gwendolyn: While I personally think attachment theory is crap because it basically blames the parents (mostly the mother) for everything, that article was off on the coo-coo train.


Yeah, attachment theory is do stupid, what with their lame-brain idea that you can mess up your kids by being a bad parent.
 
2013-01-31 08:40:50 AM
what the hell is wrong with some people
 
2013-01-31 08:45:48 AM

Son of Thunder: Gwendolyn: While I personally think attachment theory is crap because it basically blames the parents (mostly the mother) for everything, that article was off on the coo-coo train.

Yeah, attachment theory is do stupid, what with their lame-brain idea that you can mess up your kids by being a bad parent.


And apparently I do stupid, what with my inability to type simple words.

(And for them what care, TFA's "attachment therapy" is representative of attachment theory in the same way that Korean-War-era brainwashing is representative of cognitive behavioral therapy)
 
2013-01-31 08:46:02 AM
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"Adop me, muthafuka."
 
2013-01-31 08:48:52 AM

Dreyelle: I'm good with this. Would-be parents in the US should look for children in the US. There are plenty available. Oh wait, I forgot, they aren't all non-black.


I agree with your first two sentences.  However, when I was starting the adoption process, the first place my wife and I visited had one of its workers (a black lady) counsel us (white people) on why it was morally abhorrent for us to ever consider adopting a black baby.  And she used "abhorrent" in that southern baptist preacher tone that Obama always slips into whenever he's speaking before an all- or mostly-black audience.

We were instructed that if we couldn't find a white baby (with no uncertainty that any white children would be meth- or crack-babies) that we should adopt a Mexican.

We got out of that place fast--they did not get a return phone call.
 
2013-01-31 08:54:09 AM
This reminds me of the old days when I listened to Radio Moscow. Some of the propaganda was hilarious.
 
2013-01-31 09:00:08 AM
I want a cute little Asian baby, he would get on splendidly with my labradoodle pup.
 
2013-01-31 09:05:11 AM
Wow, look at all that pravda.
 
2013-01-31 09:06:15 AM

dr.zaeus: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Dreyelle: In 2007, there were 4,726 children exported from Guatemala to the United States. In 2009, the number reduced to 754, in 2011 - to only 32. Vietnam also banned the "export" of its children. In 2007, U.S. citizens adopted 828 Vietnamese children, in 2010 - 9, in 2011 - 0. Even the Chinese export of children to the U.S. has decreased by 50% over the past five years.

I'm good with this. Would-be parents in the US should look for children in the US. There are plenty available. Oh wait, I forgot, they aren't all non-black.  perfect.

I for one am shocked that the predominately white pool of adoptive parents might want to seek out children of their own race.  While most parents will inform the child later in life about their origins, I can't believe that many would want to have a child of a different race because it's easier to keep the lie going into adolescence and pretend that it "could be" their biological child.

Nah, what am I saying?  This is obviously a sign that Americans are racist and hate black kids, right?


I said nothing about RACE.  I used PERFECT.  As in less than 8 weeks old, perfectly healthy, correct eye color, correct hair color, correct genetic markers.

YOU are the one who brought up race.  I'll thank you in advance to not put words down that I did not use.

So who's the racist now?  Hm?
 
2013-01-31 09:07:08 AM
was hospitalized with serious head injuries incompatible with life.

What does that mean? He died?
 
2013-01-31 09:09:09 AM
 
2013-01-31 09:10:51 AM

dr.zaeus: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Dreyelle: In 2007, there were 4,726 children exported from Guatemala to the United States. In 2009, the number reduced to 754, in 2011 - to only 32. Vietnam also banned the "export" of its children. In 2007, U.S. citizens adopted 828 Vietnamese children, in 2010 - 9, in 2011 - 0. Even the Chinese export of children to the U.S. has decreased by 50% over the past five years.

I'm good with this. Would-be parents in the US should look for children in the US. There are plenty available. Oh wait, I forgot, they aren't all non-black.  perfect.

I for one am shocked that the predominately white pool of adoptive parents might want to seek out children of their own race.  While most parents will inform the child later in life about their origins, I can't believe that many would want to have a child of a different race because it's easier to keep the lie going into adolescence and pretend that it "could be" their biological child.

Nah, what am I saying?  This is obviously a sign that Americans are racist and hate black kids, right?


Because when I think "white kids", I think of the Guatemalans, Chinese, and Vietnamese!

/derp
 
2013-01-31 09:11:39 AM
Russian kids I can understand abusing. The communism and Stalinesque ideals run deep, and the only known method of purifying their souls with capitalism and democracy is torture.
 
Xai
2013-01-31 09:13:15 AM

Target Builder: Meanwhile in Russia


so they are bad so it is ok that we are not quite as bad?

Great logic you have there.
 
2013-01-31 09:16:49 AM
Since when is Pravda filled with anti-American propaganda?
 
2013-01-31 09:17:15 AM
Seriously, wtfamireading.jpg

I've heard of a few idiots practicing 'Attachment Therapy' but anyone else with a functioning brain knows it's quackery at best and child abuse at worst. Acting like this is the rule rather than the exception is probably the most disingenuous and yellow 'journalism' I've seen since reefer madness.
 
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