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(Want China Times)   China missile test sinks simulated US aircraft carrier, although the photo clearly shows they need 3 more red pegs   (wantchinatimes.com) divider line 216
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2013-01-31 04:09:14 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: s1ugg0: spentmiles: long and crazy troll/joke attempt

*yawn* You're boring

In less hysterical news we'll be just fine.
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Wait. Thailand has an aircraft carrier?

Thailand has a NAVY?

I can only imagine what their version of the Village People singing 'In The Navy' looks like...


Meh, Navies don't impress me much after I found out Bolivia has one.  Extra bonus: it's not the only landlocked nation with one, nor particularly unique in its reasoning
 
2013-01-31 04:15:45 PM  
It's not that unlikely, honestly. Most nations seem to consider a blue naval force to be kind of passé due to the ability to field a cruise missile or twelve in a matter of seconds. No warning, just explosions. I'm not envious of our sailors.
 
2013-01-31 04:20:24 PM  

spentmiles: With the current administration pushing massive defense spending cuts (by way of refusing to make the cuts in entitlements), America will soon lose its ranking as the largest, most powerful military in the world.  We'll fall second to China, then third to India, and soon we'll be pillow fighting with the rest of the pre-teens at the bottom-of-the-list-sleepover.  We won't be sending forces to help quell the Greek riots or any other humanitarian or security missions.  We'll be welcoming Chinese soldiers to our gulf coasts and other disaster prone areas.  How does that make you feel?

How does the thought of a Chinese soldier laying his bayonet next to your daughter's bed make you feel?
How does the vision of your wife stir frying the household pets for the "visiting" platoon sound?
How does the sound of "OOOOHHHHAAAAAAAA...." beginning the answer to even simple questions make you feel?
How does that ping pong paddle feel in your hands as your forced to compete for rations?

Probably makes you a little sick, doesn't it?  Well, you could always join the American Armed Forces and do something about it - or, do something about it as a private citizen, while you still have your Second Amendment rights.

Or you could go back to bed and snuggle yourself to sleep in your warm comforter.  Tell me, American slave, was it sewn in the USA?

I didn't think so.


The US military budget is still more than every other country in the world combined.

Your argument is politically motivated nonsense
 
2013-01-31 04:21:36 PM  
And spentmiles continues to get bites.  Amazing.
 
2013-01-31 04:54:21 PM  
BillCo

I blame the Republicans!


Trying to decide which is funnier
A) That you've posted that in so many threads today
B) That the moderators are so cowardly that when someone posts "I blame Democrats" the post gets deleted.
 
2013-01-31 06:56:52 PM  

Thunderpipes: maggoo: Thunderpipes: Carriers operate alone too, with only maybe 1 ship around to help it, and no aircraft, no subs, and no means to defeat incoming missiles.

Obviously, the ships escorting the carrier are also magically immune to anything that might conceivabily be thrown at them, and China's military is expected to be packed with morons who can't pull a strategy out of their collective asses even if their lives depended on it.

No, I don't think they could. To actually hit one of our carriers would require an enormous effort, and assure that China no longer would have a military shortly afterwards.

This is Fark. People here think China, Russia, Brazil, Canada could somehow kick our asses with magic missiles and supersonic torpedoes and diesel-electric subs. Of course I expect this. You see a picture of a rumored Chinese stealth fighter and all of a sudden the F-15 and F-22 are doomed. The latest Russian tank is encountered in Iraq and the Abrams is doomed. Just never turns out that way.

China probably could damage a carrier if they focused thousands of units against it. It would have to be a surprise attack. Then what? No aircraft, no sub, no surface ship would be able to so much as leave port or take to the air without getting its ass kicked. A hundred million screaming Chinamen on the ground are no use. Nuclear war?


you're a racist lil prick aren't ya?
 
2013-01-31 08:36:04 PM  

mbillips: We "lost" the Vietnam war because we decided it was against our national interest to continue fighting it, not because our military was incapable of continuing to control the southern part of the country indefinitely.


www.slantmagazine.com
"Do we get to win this time?"
 
2013-01-31 08:42:15 PM  

sid244: Also, all China needs to do is stop making our stuff. Our business would collapse, the financial sector would go bankrupt and we would become a third world country in about a year.


I don't think that's quite right. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's quite wrong. There are lots of other countries to get cheap labor from; China's just really convenient.
 
2013-01-31 08:53:08 PM  
They are easy to sink, so we should sell them some carriers to pay off the debt and BO's vacations.
 
2013-01-31 09:54:14 PM  

taurusowner: I'm astonished how many people think we'd actually retaliate if one of our carriers were attacked. We'd probably apologize to China for our carrier being there in the first place, then ask to borrow some more money.


Probably. Plus Obama would bow to their Emperor Secretary General.
 
2013-02-01 07:37:23 AM  

dhandler: Zeno-25: Oh, scary. If only we had some way of shooting down ballistic missiles.
Oh wait, our Aegis-equipped destroyers and cruisers can already do that.

Yeah... imagine if that defenseless white square in the desert had a Phalanx CIWS protecting it.


I suspect if you got the missle high enough that it was basically a propelled bomb, it might be tough for some of these CIWS to be effective.
 
2013-02-01 07:50:13 AM  

g4lt: dittybopper: Zenith: but this sort of scenario didn't stop Germany in the first and second world wars.

Actually, Germany went out of the way to avoid getting the US involved in both WWI and WWII.  In both instances, the military (read: Kaiserliche Marine in WWI, and Kriegsmarine in WWII) was told in no uncertain terms by the political leadership to avoid incidents with US ships as much as possible.

Ask the _USS Reuben James_ how well the Kreigsmarine listened to that.  Sunk, Halloween, 1941  WW2 officially started 12/7/41.


Yep.  And guess what?  The USS Reuben James was hit at 05:25 on October 31st.  It was dark out.  Ever try to see a flag at night, with no lights?

The USS Reuben James was actively escorting a British convoy.  That alone is a violation of neutrality.  Even in October of 1941, U-boat commanders were told to avoid incidents with US ships, but that doesn't mean they were to avoid attacking convoys.
 
2013-02-01 07:51:28 AM  
I should point out that if you are going to argue with me about the finer points of the U-bootswaffe during WWII, you're probably going to lose unless you were actually there.   It's one of my "areas of interest".
 
2013-02-01 10:09:45 PM  

dittybopper: g4lt: dittybopper: Zenith: but this sort of scenario didn't stop Germany in the first and second world wars.

Actually, Germany went out of the way to avoid getting the US involved in both WWI and WWII.  In both instances, the military (read: Kaiserliche Marine in WWI, and Kriegsmarine in WWII) was told in no uncertain terms by the political leadership to avoid incidents with US ships as much as possible.

Ask the _USS Reuben James_ how well the Kreigsmarine listened to that.  Sunk, Halloween, 1941  WW2 officially started 12/7/41.

Yep.  And guess what?  The USS Reuben James was hit at 05:25 on October 31st.  It was dark out.  Ever try to see a flag at night, with no lights?

The USS Reuben James was actively escorting a British convoy.  That alone is a violation of neutrality.  Even in October of 1941, U-boat commanders were told to avoid incidents with US ships, but that doesn't mean they were to avoid attacking convoys.


Had that been an isolated incident, you might have a point, but the Reuben James was the second ship hit and the first sunk.
 
2013-02-02 12:25:48 AM  

g4lt: dittybopper: g4lt: dittybopper: Zenith: but this sort of scenario didn't stop Germany in the first and second world wars.

Actually, Germany went out of the way to avoid getting the US involved in both WWI and WWII.  In both instances, the military (read: Kaiserliche Marine in WWI, and Kriegsmarine in WWII) was told in no uncertain terms by the political leadership to avoid incidents with US ships as much as possible.

Ask the _USS Reuben James_ how well the Kreigsmarine listened to that.  Sunk, Halloween, 1941  WW2 officially started 12/7/41.

Yep.  And guess what?  The USS Reuben James was hit at 05:25 on October 31st.  It was dark out.  Ever try to see a flag at night, with no lights?

The USS Reuben James was actively escorting a British convoy.  That alone is a violation of neutrality.  Even in October of 1941, U-boat commanders were told to avoid incidents with US ships, but that doesn't mean they were to avoid attacking convoys.

Had that been an isolated incident, you might have a point, but the Reuben James was the second ship hit and the first sunk.


We were actively violating neutrality by escorting British ships.  Standing orders to the Ubootwaffe were to avoid attacking US flagged ships if possible.

Also, we fired first:   First shots the US fired in WWII were by the USS Niblack at a German U-boat in April of 1941, almost 6 moths before the Reuben James was sunk.
 
2013-02-02 01:10:43 AM  

dittybopper: g4lt: dittybopper: g4lt: dittybopper: Zenith: but this sort of scenario didn't stop Germany in the first and second world wars.

Actually, Germany went out of the way to avoid getting the US involved in both WWI and WWII.  In both instances, the military (read: Kaiserliche Marine in WWI, and Kriegsmarine in WWII) was told in no uncertain terms by the political leadership to avoid incidents with US ships as much as possible.

Ask the _USS Reuben James_ how well the Kreigsmarine listened to that.  Sunk, Halloween, 1941  WW2 officially started 12/7/41.

Yep.  And guess what?  The USS Reuben James was hit at 05:25 on October 31st.  It was dark out.  Ever try to see a flag at night, with no lights?

The USS Reuben James was actively escorting a British convoy.  That alone is a violation of neutrality.  Even in October of 1941, U-boat commanders were told to avoid incidents with US ships, but that doesn't mean they were to avoid attacking convoys.

Had that been an isolated incident, you might have a point, but the Reuben James was the second ship hit and the first sunk.

We were actively violating neutrality by escorting British ships.  Standing orders to the Ubootwaffe were to avoid attacking US flagged ships if possible.

Also, we fired first:   First shots the US fired in WWII were by the USS Niblack at a German U-boat in April of 1941, almost 6 moths before the Reuben James was sunk.


The first shots fired were also fired at what was NS Argentia, a US Naval base.  Not really what I'd call "avoid[ing] incidents with the US".
 
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