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(Think Progress)   Guess the ten states that have the most regressive tax structure. HINT: Four have no income tax, and one more only taxes interest and dividends   (thinkprogress.org ) divider line 174
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2013-01-31 07:49:53 AM  
If you want less of something, tax it. We want less poverty.
 
2013-01-31 07:51:30 AM  
I'm surprised Kansas isn't on the list, but perhaps the worst changes aren't in effect yet.
 
2013-01-31 07:54:27 AM  
If you've got a ton of people working off the books, sales taxes are the way to go.
 
2013-01-31 07:55:38 AM  
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http://www.ctj.org/pdf/taxday2012.pdf

Oh really?
 
2013-01-31 07:56:37 AM  
i47.tinypic.com

Yeesh, new system... sorry.
 
2013-01-31 07:59:19 AM  
It ain't easy, or cheap being poor.

But alas, beig rich evades me. Maybe I should vote Republican?

/Now I'm ashamed
 
2013-01-31 08:02:49 AM  
Texas no income tax. Article fail is failed.
 
2013-01-31 08:04:24 AM  
Throw NC as soon to enter that group. The Republican lead legislature and the Republican Governor have both said they want to raise the state sales tax, eliminate the corporate income tax and reduce or eliminate the personal income tax because the changes would be "better for business", "broaden the base of the tax structure" and "be more fair".

Except, NC is #2 in being most friendly to businesses (behind Texas) and a sales tax only revenue program is so regressive as to be almost punitive to the lower income brackets. Of course, that IMO is their plan; reduce state revenue so they can claim "the money isn't coming in any more, time to slash government size and spending!".
 
2013-01-31 08:07:55 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Texas no income tax. Article fail is failed.


I know you're an idiot. You've demonstrated it time and time again, so I'm not surprised you spouted this off. While technical true that Texas has no state income tax, it has the following wonderful taxes (which actually bring an average individuals tax burden up on the poorest people in Texas higher than California. Congrats Republicans, you finally beat the left coast on something).

 911 Emergency Service Fee
 911 Equalization Surcharge
 911 Prepaid Wireless Emergency Service Fee
 911 Wireless Emergency Service Fee
 Automobile Burglary and Theft Prevention Authority (ABTPA) Assessment
 Automotive Oil Sales Fee
 Bank Franchise
 Battery Sales Fee
 Boat & Boat Motor
 Cement Production
 Cigarette
 Cigar, Tobacco Products
 Cigarette/Tobacco Advertising Fee
 Coastal Protection
 Coin-Operated Machines Tax
 Controlled Substances
 Crude Oil
 Diesel Fuels
 Fireworks
 Franchise
 Gasoline
 Hotel
 Inheritance
 Insurance Maintenance Tax - Workers' Compensation Research
 Insurance Maintenance Taxes - Texas Department of Insurance
 Insurance Maintenance Tax - Division of Workers Compensation/Office of Injured Employees Counsel
 Insurance Premium Tax - Independently Procured
 Insurance Premium Tax - Licensed Insurers
 Insurance Premium Tax - Surplus Lines/Purchasing Groups
 Insurance Premium Tax - Unauthorized Insurance
 International Fuel Tax Agreement (IFTA)
 Liquefied Gas
 Loan Administration Fee
 Local Property
 Local Sales & Use
 Manufactured Housing
 Miscellaneous Gross Receipts
 Mixed Beverage Tax
 Motor Fuels Transporters
 Motor Vehicle - Gross Rental Receipts
 Motor Vehicle - Local Sports and Community Venue Sales and Use
 Motor Vehicle - Sales and Use
 Motor Vehicle - Seller-Financed Sales
 Motor Vehicle - Texas Emissions Reduction Plan (TERP) Registration Surcharge
 Motor Vehicle - Texas Emissions Reduction Plan (TERP) Surcharge
 Natural Gas
 Office of Public Insurance Counsel (OPIC) Assessment
 Oil & Gas Well Servicing
 Oyster Sales Fee
 Pari-Mutuel
 Petroleum Products Delivery Fee
 Property Tax
 Public Utility Gross Receipts Assessment
 Retail Charge Account Delinquency Fee
 Retaliatory Tax
 Sales & Use
 School Fund Benefit
 Sexually Oriented Business Fee
 Sulphur
 Texas Emissions Reduction Plan (TERP) - Off Road Heavy Duty Diesel Equipment Surcharge
 Telecommunications Infrastructure Fund (Repealed)
 Volunteer Fire Department Assistance Fund Assessment
 
2013-01-31 08:09:54 AM  
I'm embarrassed that Washington is #1. We're liberal about a lot of things, but people won't approve of new taxes, even if they replace sales tax. They wouldn't even vote to approve a 2% income tax only on those earning more than $400k a couple of years ago.
 
2013-01-31 08:10:28 AM  
Every time I read articles like this, I wonder how long it will be before these states find a way to make indentured servitude and true debtors prisons a reality again.

Hell, I'd wager if the Republicans were in charge of the nation, they'd be looking at ways to modify the 13th Amendment to do just that.
 
2013-01-31 08:11:28 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Texas no income tax. Article fail is failed.





That was the point of the article. Evil politicians confiscate mo money from the poor by having excessive sales tax rates. So the greedy politicians should scrap their sales tax system and place a 50% state income tax on anybody the people at Think Progress decide are able to afford it most. You know, for the poor.

s/o
 
2013-01-31 08:12:02 AM  
Maybe I didn't read tfa carefully enough, but I'd like to see some analysis of whether moving to regressive taxation has that profound effect on job creation like it's claimed it will, or not.

...not that conservatives will give up a cherished belief if it's shown that the world doesn't work that way, mind you.
 
2013-01-31 08:13:16 AM  
If only there was a way for the common man to elect state leaders and end this injustice! oh... there is? And people don't seem to care? Oh well, carry on.
 
2013-01-31 08:16:30 AM  
To really put the regressiveness in perspective, in some places of Alabama the sales tax is 10%, and it applies to everything, including groceries.
 
2013-01-31 08:17:57 AM  

randomjsa: [i47.tinypic.com image 655x420]

Yeesh, new system... sorry.


Did you miss the part where we're discussing State taxes?
 
2013-01-31 08:19:46 AM  
Meh. Having a slightly less regressivr state and local tax structure is ok when you consider how extremely progressive or federal tax structure is.

Also, sales taxes aren't a "culprit", they're a very prudent form of tax that we should have on a national level.

Just more think progress derp, as usual.
 
2013-01-31 08:20:18 AM  
Guns and bibles, bibles and guns. They have what they want, they voted for it.
 
2013-01-31 08:20:42 AM  
Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Colorado, Oregon, Idaho, Hawaii and South Dakota.  Was I close?
 
2013-01-31 08:23:06 AM  

CarnySaur: Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Colorado, Oregon, Idaho, Hawaii and South Dakota.  Was I close?


not really
 
2013-01-31 08:25:22 AM  
PA is 8th on the list.  PA doesn't tax food, clothing or shelter.  If you are truly poor, doesn't that cover just about all of your expenses?  How is that regressive?
 
2013-01-31 08:25:43 AM  
I was completely surprised when I heard various cities have their own income taxes as well. I'll just continue to enjoy paying sales and property taxes.
 
2013-01-31 08:26:13 AM  

Carth: CarnySaur: Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Colorado, Oregon, Idaho, Hawaii and South Dakota.  Was I close?

not really


How about Nevada, Washington, Maine, New Hampshire, Texas, North Carolina, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Louisiana and Tennessee?
 
2013-01-31 08:26:51 AM  
Maybe I'm dumb, but how can a tax system be regressive if it only taxes interest and dividends. Seems like only richer people would have that.
 
2013-01-31 08:28:07 AM  

DamnYankees: Maybe I'm dumb, but how can a tax system be regressive if it only taxes interest and dividends. Seems like only richer people would have that.


Republican doublethink, that's how. Words mean their opposites.
 
2013-01-31 08:28:07 AM  
Why is this a problem? The rich have earned that money, and they deserve to keep it.
 
2013-01-31 08:28:39 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: PA is 8th on the list.  PA doesn't tax food, clothing or shelter.  If you are truly poor, doesn't that cover just about all of your expenses?  How is that regressive?


Says they're paying 12% of their income as taxes.
 
2013-01-31 08:30:01 AM  

DamnYankees: Maybe I'm dumb, but how can a tax system be regressive if it only taxes interest and dividends. Seems like only richer people would have that.


States that have low or no income taxes generally make up the difference with high sales taxes.
 
2013-01-31 08:30:10 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Meh. Having a slightly less regressivr state and local tax structure is ok when you consider how extremely progressive or federal tax structure is.

Also, sales taxes aren't a "culprit", they're a very prudent form of tax that we should have on a national level.

Just more think progress derp, as usual.


Sales Taxes reduce consumption, which will hurt GDP.

Not sayin a federal sales tax is a bad idea, I'm just saying that you want to make sure the most people possible are participating in your economy, and discouraging people from consuming isn't a great idea when unemployment is just starting to creep back down.
 
2013-01-31 08:30:15 AM  
The article keeps conflating income with wealth. To use an analogy, income is like water coming from a fire hose, while wealth is a vast lake, and you could very well have a progressive tax structure that forces the wealthy to pay more without even looking at income.

For example, rich people tend to own large plots of land in convenient locations, and land ownership (by value)  is even more concentrated in the hands of the 1% than income, so a land value tax would be progressive. The same goes for natural resources of inherently fixed supply, like crude oil, natural gas, ores of various kinds, coal, or things often polluted, like clean air and water, plus even more esoteric things like geosynchronous orbits and radio frequencies, all of which can be taxed under a Georgist system. That's not even looking at monopolies (both natural and granted by government) and other forms of rent-seeking, all of which would be more fun to tax than just income.

/I would rather have Donald Trump whine and complain about taxes than a zombie Steve Jobs.

//Have to get in my plug for Henry George in such things.
 
2013-01-31 08:30:24 AM  

AurizenDarkstar: Every time I read articles like this, I wonder how long it will be before these states find a way to make indentured servitude and true debtors prisons a reality again.

Hell, I'd wager if the Republicans were in charge of the nation, they'd be looking at ways to modify the 13th Amendment to do just that.


well, prisons already provide 'slaves' to certain industries. we just don't call it 'slavery' nowadays.

/triangle trade anyone?
 
2013-01-31 08:30:36 AM  

Wyalt Derp: Why is this a problem? The rich have earned that money, and they deserve to keep it.


Yeah, the poor people must have stolen whatever money they have. Poor people steal stuff.
 
2013-01-31 08:30:53 AM  

DamnYankees: Maybe I'm dumb, but how can a tax system be regressive if it only taxes interest and dividends. Seems like only richer people would have that.


Because the biggest part of the taxes is the sales tax.
 
2013-01-31 08:31:55 AM  
Tennessee "almost" got a state income tax a little over 10 years ago (early 2000s). Gov. Sundquist attempted to get the Legislature to pass an income tax. I don't remember the full details but it turned into a stronger stream competition and the Legislature won. Did I Republican Governor Sundquist wanted income tax? And that part of his reasoning was revenue smoothing/guaranteed revenue (antithesis of "starve the beast")?

Of course, there's a fair amount of institutional resistance here to changes in taxes. The end result of the tax fight was that parts of the government got shut down and/or de-funded. I only knew about this because my father is a university professor at one of the state institutions. Obviously the reasonable response when the funding was turned back on was to ignore the college system until everyone else had their money back. That was on top of the capital building freeze indicative of the already present chronic underfunding of our state education system.

/Did I mention the big State U, UT-Knoxville, has a top 25 initiative?
//Because it does, and it's foolish without proper support.
///Also, TN Republicans used to be weird like that. See the Sen. Alexander thread below for my other comment.
 
2013-01-31 08:32:05 AM  

CarnySaur: Carth: CarnySaur: Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Colorado, Oregon, Idaho, Hawaii and South Dakota.  Was I close?

not really

How about Nevada, Washington, Maine, New Hampshire, Texas, North Carolina, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Louisiana and Tennessee?


You got 3 that time.
 
2013-01-31 08:32:30 AM  
Clearly the solution for people in those states is to stop being poor. Stop it! No!
 
2013-01-31 08:32:52 AM  

randomjsa: Oh really?


Your a idiot.
 
2013-01-31 08:32:55 AM  

FuturePastNow: DamnYankees: Maybe I'm dumb, but how can a tax system be regressive if it only taxes interest and dividends. Seems like only richer people would have that.

States that have low or no income taxes generally make up the difference with high sales taxes.


MisterBill: DamnYankees: Maybe I'm dumb, but how can a tax system be regressive if it only taxes interest and dividends. Seems like only richer people would have that.

Because the biggest part of the taxes is the sales tax.


Oh, I took that to mean no sales tax either. I interpreted the 'only' literally.
 
2013-01-31 08:32:56 AM  
I dont mind paying WV state income tax and state sales tax but the property tax system drives me nuts.
 
2013-01-31 08:34:02 AM  

CarnySaur: Carth: CarnySaur: Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Colorado, Oregon, Idaho, Hawaii and South Dakota.  Was I close?

not really

How about Nevada, Washington, Maine, New Hampshire, Texas, North Carolina, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Louisiana and Tennessee?


How is NH regressive in its taxes?  I gotta hear this one.
 
2013-01-31 08:34:21 AM  
I've got math.

With math I can make numbers show that my position is the best, and only correct, position.

/Math, because science.
 
2013-01-31 08:37:01 AM  
When you include states that no have state income tax, you're at that point just gaming numbers, or showing some kind of correlation between the income of a poor guy paying tax on a sandwich vs. the income of a rich guy buying a sandwich.
 
2013-01-31 08:38:39 AM  

Slam Dunkz: CarnySaur: Carth: CarnySaur: Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Colorado, Oregon, Idaho, Hawaii and South Dakota.  Was I close?

not really

How about Nevada, Washington, Maine, New Hampshire, Texas, North Carolina, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Louisiana and Tennessee?

How is NH regressive in its taxes?  I gotta hear this one.


I was puzzled by that too. They have a really high property tax, no sales tax and a tax on dividends and interest.
 
2013-01-31 08:42:37 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Meh. Having a slightly less regressivr state and local tax structure is ok when you consider how extremely progressive or federal tax structure is.

Also, sales taxes aren't a "culprit", they're a very prudent form of tax that we should have on a national level.

Just more think progress derp, as usual.


Our Federal tax structure isn't very progressive at all as compared to how income is distributed.
 
2013-01-31 08:42:40 AM  

Slam Dunkz: CarnySaur: Carth: CarnySaur: Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Colorado, Oregon, Idaho, Hawaii and South Dakota.  Was I close?

not really

How about Nevada, Washington, Maine, New Hampshire, Texas, North Carolina, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Louisiana and Tennessee?

How is NH regressive in its taxes?  I gotta hear this one.


9% sales tax is pretty beat.  I'm not sure where the cut-off for regressive is... and the implication that regressive taxation is a problem for the poor would be totally great!  If it were true.  Delaware has no sales tax at all!  But if you're poor your life isn't any better for it.  Because you probably live in Wilmington.  And your kids go to school 45 minutes away.  And you're not going to be able to afford to shop at the "real" stores because they all cater to lawyers and doctors anyway.  Apart from Christmas season when the state anticipates a large influx of PA and NJ and MD shoppers the prices go down a bit, but for the most part, the 6% difference between sales taxes in PA and NJ is made up for by the stores.

So ... idk... 6% regressive?  9%?  0%?  Which state's the best for the poor?  PA/NH/DE?

/It's not that they take your money, it's what they use it for.  Sales Tax generally goes to the General Fund.
//So they can use that money to build prisons... or schools...
 
2013-01-31 08:44:35 AM  

DamnYankees: FuturePastNow: DamnYankees: Maybe I'm dumb, but how can a tax system be regressive if it only taxes interest and dividends. Seems like only richer people would have that.

States that have low or no income taxes generally make up the difference with high sales taxes.

MisterBill: DamnYankees: Maybe I'm dumb, but how can a tax system be regressive if it only taxes interest and dividends. Seems like only richer people would have that.

Because the biggest part of the taxes is the sales tax.

Oh, I took that to mean no sales tax either. I interpreted the 'only' literally.


It was poorly worded. They need a skilled editor there.
 
2013-01-31 08:44:43 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Meh. Having a slightly less regressivr state and local tax structure is ok when you consider how extremely progressive or federal tax structure is.

Also, sales taxes aren't a "culprit", they're a very prudent form of tax that we should have on a national level.

Just more think progress derp, as usual.


So that chart above showing how NOT progressive our tax system is - you can't see that? Is it like a magic eye thing with you?
 
2013-01-31 08:44:53 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: PA is 8th on the list.  PA doesn't tax food, clothing or shelter.  If you are truly poor, doesn't that cover just about all of your expenses?  How is that regressive?


The issue is that the income tax is not progressive -- it's a flat 3%.

Property tax is kinda high in many places, but if you look at the data I suspect the real estate prices in Philadelphia and its suburbs are distorting statewide median prices.

Also, PA is a pretty popular place for people on a very fixed income to retire because it doesn't tax food or clothing, as you note, as well pension social security income. A lot of people move to places like Lancaster where the local taxes are very low, and you're still only 1.5 hours from Philadelphia.
 
2013-01-31 08:45:17 AM  

Carth: Slam Dunkz: CarnySaur: Carth: CarnySaur: Virginia, West Virginia, Wyoming, New Hampshire, Michigan, Colorado, Oregon, Idaho, Hawaii and South Dakota.  Was I close?

not really

How about Nevada, Washington, Maine, New Hampshire, Texas, North Carolina, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Louisiana and Tennessee?

How is NH regressive in its taxes?  I gotta hear this one.

I was puzzled by that too. They have a really high property tax, no sales tax and a tax on dividends and interest.


Christ, I don't know.  I was just throwing out names of states.  New Hampshire does take a good chunk of change for car regsitrations, though.
 
2013-01-31 08:46:29 AM  
ITT: Republicans who don't believe high sales taxes hurt poor people
 
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