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2013-01-30 11:03:29 PM  
That's truly repulsive and I'm astonished that it got on the App Store at all!

/fark you, appl. seriously.
 
2013-01-31 12:17:50 AM  
You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.
 
2013-01-31 12:24:27 AM  
If you can't tie him up, gag him and administer a good rodgering with a strap-on what's the point?
 
2013-01-31 12:26:19 AM  
She beats the app out of me.

- Cry for help.
 
2013-01-31 01:19:27 AM  
My ex-fiancee would get ragingly drunk.  One time she got into a fistfight with the neighbor, smashed a window and got arrested.  On the Night of the Flying Plates, she started throwing them at my head.  Fortunately, she was too drunk to have good aim.

Nice to see an app that encourages this sort of thing.

/happily single today
//lives with cats
 
2013-01-31 01:37:45 AM  
With some (a lot of) women, double standards are pretty standard stuff.
 
2013-01-31 01:49:13 AM  

fusillade762: If you can't tie him up, gag him and administer a good rodgering with a strap-on what's the point?


Have your people call my people. We must work something out.
 
2013-01-31 01:54:49 AM  
L.D. Ablo:
/happily single today
//lives with cats


I'm just not sure that those statements are compatible.
 
2013-01-31 02:14:45 AM  
Timmy and I are perfect for each other, once I horse-whip the shiat out of him until he stops doing things I dislike.
 
2013-01-31 02:15:41 AM  

jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.


Now it's at least 7 goats and an RV. Inflation is a biatch.
 
2013-01-31 02:29:30 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: That's truly repulsive and I'm astonished that it got on the App Store at all!

/fark you, appl. seriously.


HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
we should totally get it banned from the apple store
seriously
if the sexes were reversed, the internet would have melted already!!

farkEM
time to write that nasty letter to apple
 
2013-01-31 02:33:16 AM  

L.D. Ablo: On the Night of the Flying Plates


ooooooooooooooooooooo
you made me cry I laughed so hard

been there done that
my crazy mom was awesome at flying plate night
 
2013-01-31 03:45:08 AM  

Nofun: With some (a lot of) women, double standards are pretty standard stuff.


Here's a phrase from feminism: Rigid gender roles hurt everyone. This notion of "Oh, women can't REALLY hurt men" comes from gender existentialism. It's the same societal misconception that keeps male rape victims from being taken seriously.
 
2013-01-31 03:48:46 AM  
Somewhere, some feminist womyn is using this app and touching herself frantically because TEH PATRIARCHY is getting what they deserve, or something.

/In before the cries of ZOMG MISOGYNY because some posts have made comments inferring that womyn are not holy, sainted, perfect creatures that shiat light and pixie dust and that the evil old men should be thankful to be beaten by them.
 
2013-01-31 04:08:33 AM  
This happened in the kitchen?
 
2013-01-31 04:10:28 AM  

L.D. Ablo: My ex-fiancee would get ragingly drunk.  One time she got into a fistfight with the neighbor, smashed a window and got arrested.  On the Night of the Flying Plates, she started throwing them at my head.  Fortunately, she was too drunk to have good aim.

Nice to see an app that encourages this sort of thing.

/happily single today
//lives with cats


I still hate you.  Can't remember why, you must have done something though.  However, the fact that you're a cat person makes me hate you less than I did before  Don't get me wrong, I still hate you, but if you're a cat dude you can't be all bad.

/do you have any idea why I hate you.  There just has to be a reason.
 
2013-01-31 04:11:23 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: That's truly repulsive and I'm astonished that it got on the App Store at all!

/fark you, appl. seriously.


I'm not. The app store is a cess pool, from shiatty scammy apps to games that follow the Zynga "hit you up for money every 5 seconds" model.
 
2013-01-31 04:11:25 AM  
fap
 
2013-01-31 04:20:54 AM  

Teknowaffle: BarkingUnicorn: That's truly repulsive and I'm astonished that it got on the App Store at all!

/fark you, appl. seriously.

I'm not. The app store is a cess pool, from shiatty scammy apps to games that follow the Zynga "hit you up for money every 5 seconds" model.


I don't answer my phone any more.  You kids can keep your viruses, raves, and meningitis.
 
2013-01-31 04:23:47 AM  
Anybody know of a good app that teaches marmot abuse?
 
2013-01-31 04:26:19 AM  
Who cares? Seriously. What sort of raging psychotic gets their underwear all twisted out of shape over something so puerile?

If you're not adult enough to laugh this off you should be drugged up to the gills and institutionalised because the real world is apparently an alien planet...

I would rate the Shades of Gray, Harry Potter and Twilight fandoms as far more deserving of public derision and scorn than this rubbish....
 
2013-01-31 04:29:30 AM  
I don't see the problem. It's a game, it's not real, and it certainly isn't encouraging violence against men. Yes, if it was the other way around lots of people would be even more outraged because violence against women is a big problem. That doesn't make complaining about everything and trying to make a sterile world right, though. An eye for an eye leaves the world blind.

Let them have it, then when abuse against men doesn't skyrocket we can say "See? Crap in the media means nothing, there is just a subset of humans that are closely related to shiat, and as a result beat their partners. Not because of a game".
 
2013-01-31 04:31:02 AM  
You guys, you're so sensitive. It's just a game. Sand in your vag much?

/what the gentlemen of fark would say if roles were reversed
//the butthurt, deal with it
 
2013-01-31 04:37:39 AM  

kingoomieiii: Nofun: With some (a lot of) women, double standards are pretty standard stuff.

Here's a phrase from feminism: Rigid gender roles hurt everyone. This notion of "Oh, women can't REALLY hurt men" comes from gender existentialism. It's the same societal misconception that keeps male rape victims from being taken seriously.


Pretty much. It's also the same social stereotyping that says "There isn't abuse in lesbian relationships because women can't/don't/wouldn't abuse women" and "There isn't abuse in gay relationships because men really like the abuse or they wouldn't put up with it."

Abuse is abuse. It shouldn't be funny.
 
2013-01-31 04:38:21 AM  
Rockstar Games ought to take this concept  and run with it.
 
2013-01-31 04:39:10 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: fusillade762: If you can't tie him up, gag him and administer a good rodgering with a strap-on what's the point?

Have your people call my people. We must work something out.


Can I take the pictures?
 
2013-01-31 04:42:41 AM  

Gyrfalcon: kingoomieiii: Nofun: With some (a lot of) women, double standards are pretty standard stuff.

Here's a phrase from feminism: Rigid gender roles hurt everyone. This notion of "Oh, women can't REALLY hurt men" comes from gender existentialism. It's the same societal misconception that keeps male rape victims from being taken seriously.

Pretty much. It's also the same social stereotyping that says "There isn't abuse in lesbian relationships because women can't/don't/wouldn't abuse women" and "There isn't abuse in gay relationships because men really like the abuse or they wouldn't put up with it."

Abuse is abuse. It shouldn't be funny.


Really that's very true, unless it's consensual, or a show called the three stooges from what I've heard.
 
2013-01-31 04:45:45 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Abuse is abuse. It shouldn't be funny.


True. Unless you're abusing clowns.
 
2013-01-31 04:49:34 AM  
Abuse is OK when it's female on male!
 
2013-01-31 04:51:46 AM  
Virtual violence leading to the real thing? I thought we've moved past that with the exception of mass shootings. If it's a outlet that lets off some steam then who am I to argue.
 
2013-01-31 04:52:05 AM  
no Grand Theft Auto treatment-of-females comparisons yet?
 
2013-01-31 04:54:19 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: kingoomieiii: Nofun: With some (a lot of) women, double standards are pretty standard stuff.

Here's a phrase from feminism: Rigid gender roles hurt everyone. This notion of "Oh, women can't REALLY hurt men" comes from gender existentialism. It's the same societal misconception that keeps male rape victims from being taken seriously.

Pretty much. It's also the same social stereotyping that says "There isn't abuse in lesbian relationships because women can't/don't/wouldn't abuse women" and "There isn't abuse in gay relationships because men really like the abuse or they wouldn't put up with it."

Abuse is abuse. It shouldn't be funny.

Really that's very true, unless it's consensual, or a show called the three stooges from what I've heard.


Larry was codependent and Curly was a masochist.


SpdrJay: Anybody know of a good app that teaches marmot abuse?


No, but there may be one that teaches you how to spank your monkey.
 
2013-01-31 04:55:35 AM  
This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.
 
2013-01-31 04:58:49 AM  

super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.


Yep, only Men are the abusers! A woman is too weak to really threaten a man.

/That's what 'Women don't abuse/rape' arguments boil down to.
//Also, that attitude is what leads to a lot of female on male abuse not being reported, because it isn't taken seriously.
 
2013-01-31 05:01:45 AM  
See this app on your girlfriend's phone, you run for the hills, unless you're into bdsm

/which it's ok, if you're into that sorta thing
//but there's no girlfriend version of this app? Double standards, they're a vicious thing
 
2013-01-31 05:02:15 AM  
1: You see this on your girlfriends phone, RUN, she's a nutjob!
2: You see a cosmo magazine at her place, RUN. Don't stop until you're in the next state if it's a '# of ways to please your man' edition.
3: You see said cosmo has it's quizes filled out, dump her but sleep with a weapon, she cray-cray.

/You'll never find that crap in my apartment.
//But you might find the Cat Fanciers though...
///Who's my Shnookums Pitty pats?! You are, Babies!!
 
2013-01-31 05:04:28 AM  

super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.


Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.
 
2013-01-31 05:09:15 AM  

Gyrfalcon: kingoomieiii: Nofun: With some (a lot of) women, double standards are pretty standard stuff.

Here's a phrase from feminism: Rigid gender roles hurt everyone. This notion of "Oh, women can't REALLY hurt men" comes from gender existentialism. It's the same societal misconception that keeps male rape victims from being taken seriously.

Pretty much. It's also the same social stereotyping that says "There isn't abuse in lesbian relationships because women can't/don't/wouldn't abuse women" and "There isn't abuse in gay relationships because men really like the abuse or they wouldn't put up with it."

Abuse is abuse. It shouldn't be funny.


The worst, most destructive relationship I ever saw were two egomaniac, victim alcoholic lesbians. One is a cutter, the other ODs to beg for forgiveness.

Yeah.... No abuse... The local police blotter and the restraining order one of them ended up filing after getting her head out of her arse says otherwise.
 
2013-01-31 05:20:27 AM  
Tell me about the lesbians Dezilith.
 
2013-01-31 05:25:03 AM  

g4lt: super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.

Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.


I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.
 
2013-01-31 05:26:26 AM  
Subby wears a popped collar knock-off and has Bret Easton Ellis syndrome.
 
2013-01-31 05:26:30 AM  
My girlfriend of 10 years ago would occasionally hit me.

Afterwards, a number of avowed feminists told me flat-out that it didn't matter.

So much for the all-knowing power of Holy Feminist Theory in matters of flesh and blood.
 
2013-01-31 05:35:02 AM  

I sound fat: g4lt: super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.

Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.


I'm going to try to say this without saying you're a damn fool, it won't work.  I meant what I said about civilization failing, civilization is the distinct part of humanity that makes it so that we can determine if someone is suffering harm and alleviate it.  This is the part that is failing.  Blaming the victim DOESN'T WORK, get that through your pointy little head.  If someone is committing criminal acts, they shouldn't be the one to stay put while their victim has to quit the field, that is UNCIVILIZED, get it yet?
 
2013-01-31 05:37:28 AM  
Joke's on you, I don't even have a girlfriend to abuse me.

so alone
 
2013-01-31 05:38:21 AM  

jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.


A couple goats?

I'm trading good goats for a girl child. You get three chickens and one wheel of goat cheese, but only if she's got good teeth.
 
2013-01-31 05:52:02 AM  
kingoomieiii : Rigid gender roles hurt everyone.

And since rigid gender roles are, according to feminist theory, actually all men's fault... abused men who are laughed at are merely being hoisted by their own sexist petards!*

*I have ACTUALLY seen this argument made on feminist web-sites.
 
2013-01-31 05:59:06 AM  
A former female friend of mine and I went out drinking one night, and I got hit on by an attractive chick...after we left and got to where I was staying, the friend picked up a 10lb microphone stand and swung it at my head (I saw it out of the corner of my eye at the last minute and blocked it with my arm), called 911, police showed up, and even though she told them she was jealous and angry about me getting hit on and getting the chicks info police tried to blame me, and left without doing anything except making her leave.

/laughs at "equality"
 
2013-01-31 06:00:37 AM  
I was under the impression that violent video games don't influence people and lead them to believe violence is okay. What am I missing?
 
2013-01-31 06:06:34 AM  

Cyrus the Mediocre: Joke's on you, I don't even have a girlfriend to abuse me.

so alone


have you considered self-abuse?
 
2013-01-31 06:07:51 AM  
Don't see a problem.

I didn't get all outraged during the revelation that you could beat up hookers in GTA, either.  The more violence we channel into non-violent areas, the better.
 
2013-01-31 06:08:00 AM  
OhioUGrad: I was in a bar one time. A male and a female were having an argument. Suddenly, the female took a bottle and broke it over the dude's head.

Then, quick as lightning, bouncers came-up and started roughing-up THE MAN.

A bunch of onlookers interceded, saying "No, no, he didn't do anything! She hit him!" etc.

These thumb-headed bouncers sort of looked at each other, shrugged with a kind of: "All right, then" They released the man and walked-away. The dude they were handling had blood rolling-down his face too.

They roughed-up the victim. Pure insanity.
 
2013-01-31 06:10:01 AM  
I gotta say, that's actually pretty funny (and I'm a dude). Seeing men get butthurt about this is a lot like listening to white people complain about how "honkey" is OK, but the dreaded n-bomb isn't, unless you're black. Or rich people griping about some lucky ducky poor person not having to pay taxes. Protip: If you're the one holding most of the power, you don't actually get to complain about being the butt of the joke. But by all means, go right ahead and act like an enormous pussy and cry about some video game. It totally doesn't make you look like a sandy-vaged pussy.
 
2013-01-31 06:10:14 AM  

namatad: L.D. Ablo: On the Night of the Flying Plates

ooooooooooooooooooooo
you made me cry I laughed so hard

been there done that
my crazy mom was awesome at flying plate night


Did they use the Frisbee or the ninja star technique?
 
2013-01-31 06:11:12 AM  

Gyrfalcon: kingoomieiii: Nofun: With some (a lot of) women, double standards are pretty standard stuff.

Here's a phrase from feminism: Rigid gender roles hurt everyone. This notion of "Oh, women can't REALLY hurt men" comes from gender existentialism. It's the same societal misconception that keeps male rape victims from being taken seriously.

Pretty much. It's also the same social stereotyping that says "There isn't abuse in lesbian relationships because women can't/don't/wouldn't abuse women" and "There isn't abuse in gay relationships because men really like the abuse or they wouldn't put up with it."

Abuse is abuse. It shouldn't be funny.


lol
 
2013-01-31 06:12:14 AM  
I need to come up with an idea for a Rape app. That would be okay, right?
 
2013-01-31 06:12:34 AM  
Women initiate half of all domestic violence unfortunately, most juristictions in the US don't take women beating men as serious as men beating women.  The best way to handle domestic violence is to arrest both of them and bring them in front of a judge to find out what their problem is.  No one is innocent in a domestic violence incident.
 
2013-01-31 06:14:50 AM  

abhorrent1: I need to come up with an idea for a Rape app. That would be okay, right?


only if you add one more rape
 
2013-01-31 06:18:00 AM  

NameDot: Rockstar Games ought to take this concept  and run with it.


You know what'd really have livened up their games?  A female protagonist, finally a reason for all those clothing options.

/wanna play darts?
 
2013-01-31 06:18:47 AM  

abhorrent1: I need to come up with an idea for a Rape app. That would be okay, right?


No. You see, Apple has a way of shutting that whole thing down.
 
2013-01-31 06:20:30 AM  

g4lt: I sound fat: g4lt: super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.

Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.

I'm going to try to say this without saying you're a damn fool, it won't work.  I meant what I said about civilization failing, civilization is the distinct part of humanity that makes it so that we can determine if someone is suffering harm and alleviate it.  This is the part that is failing.  Blaming the victim DOESN'T WORK, get that through your pointy little head.  If someone is committing criminal acts, they shouldn't be the one to stay put while their victim has to quit the field, that is UNCIVILIZED, get it yet?


1.  "Civilization" doesn't mean what  you seem to think it means.

2.  Advising someone to get out of a dangerous situation is help, not blame.
 
2013-01-31 06:21:20 AM  

UncleStumpy: abhorrent1: I need to come up with an idea for a Rape app. That would be okay, right?

only if you add one more rape


www.seedland.com

Enough?
 
2013-01-31 06:21:43 AM  
Cool!
I bet my app "New Delhi Bus Adventures" would sell really well.
 
2013-01-31 06:22:28 AM  

boinkingbill: No one is innocent in a domestic violence incident.


Don't be farking ridiculous
 
2013-01-31 06:23:10 AM  
FTFA
Obviously, despite the app's implied "girl power" theme, it's not exactly flattering toward either sex. As Jezebel points out, the odds of this app remaining in the App Store if it encouraged you to put your girlfriend on a leash, choke her, and hammer her with a tennis racket are pretty low.

Anyone else immediately assume "hammer" meant vigorous penetration?
 
2013-01-31 06:24:54 AM  
Women in a nutshell.

/It's always cheaper to see a professional.
 
2013-01-31 06:25:16 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: g4lt: I sound fat: g4lt: super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.

Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.

I'm going to try to say this without saying you're a damn fool, it won't work.  I meant what I said about civilization failing, civilization is the distinct part of humanity that makes it so that we can determine if someone is suffering harm and alleviate it.  This is the part that is failing.  Blaming the victim DOESN'T WORK, get that through your pointy little head.  If someone is committing criminal acts, they shouldn't be the one to stay put while their victim has to quit the field, that is UNCIVILIZED, get it yet?

1.  "Civilization" doesn't mean what  you seem to think it means.


Yeah, I think I mentioned that's the problem, it doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean any more, so let's put it out of its misery...

2.  Advising someone to get out of a dangerous situation is help, not blame.

So telling someone to get out of a burning house is help, putting out the fire isn't?  Got it.
 
2013-01-31 06:25:55 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: abhorrent1: I need to come up with an idea for a Rape app. That would be okay, right?

No. You see, Apple has a way of shutting that whole thing down.


If women were better at shutting the hole thing down there would be a lot less rape.
 
2013-01-31 06:30:19 AM  

g4lt: BarkingUnicorn: g4lt: I sound fat: g4lt: super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.

Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.

I'm going to try to say this without saying you're a damn fool, it won't work.  I meant what I said about civilization failing, civilization is the distinct part of humanity that makes it so that we can determine if someone is suffering harm and alleviate it.  This is the part that is failing.  Blaming the victim DOESN'T WORK, get that through your pointy little head.  If someone is committing criminal acts, they shouldn't be the one to stay put while their victim has to quit the field, that is UNCIVILIZED, get it yet?

1.  "Civilization" doesn't mean what  you seem to think it means.

Yeah, I think I mentioned that's the problem, it doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean any more, so let's put it out of its misery...

2.  Advising someone to get out of a dangerous situation is help, not blame.

So telling someone to get out of a burning house is help, putting out the fire isn't?  Got it.


OK, when your house is on fire and your kids are asleep, just keep your mouth shut.
 
2013-01-31 06:33:01 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: g4lt: BarkingUnicorn: g4lt: I sound fat: g4lt: super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.

Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.

I'm going to try to say this without saying you're a damn fool, it won't work.  I meant what I said about civilization failing, civilization is the distinct part of humanity that makes it so that we can determine if someone is suffering harm and alleviate it.  This is the part that is failing.  Blaming the victim DOESN'T WORK, get that through your pointy little head.  If someone is committing criminal acts, they shouldn't be the one to stay put while their victim has to quit the field, that is UNCIVILIZED, get it yet?

1.  "Civilization" doesn't mean what  you seem to think it means.

Yeah, I think I mentioned that's the problem, it doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean any more, so let's put it out of its misery...

2.  Advising someone to get out of a dangerous situation is help, not blame.

So telling someone to get out of a burning house is help, putting out the fire isn't?  Got it.

OK, when your house is on fire and your kids are asleep, just keep your mouth shut.


Well, yeah, you can't fight a fire while you're gagging on smoke.  I hear wet towels also work, but what do I know, I think it's civilized to NOT FARKING BEAT ON YOUR SEX PARTNER
 
2013-01-31 06:38:22 AM  

mike_d85: FTFA
Obviously, despite the app's implied "girl power" theme, it's not exactly flattering toward either sex. As Jezebel points out, the odds of this app remaining in the App Store if it encouraged you to put your girlfriend on a leash, choke her, and hammer her with a tennis racket are pretty low.

Anyone else immediately assume "hammer" meant vigorous penetration?


The hammer is my penis.
 
2013-01-31 06:39:54 AM  
It's the Apple way, so shut up and take it.
 
2013-01-31 06:47:24 AM  

g4lt: So telling someone to get out of a burning house is help, putting out the fire isn't? Got it.


So in the context of a friend helping a woman in an abusive relationship, "help" can only mean... murdering the abuser??
 
2013-01-31 06:49:32 AM  

Nofun: With some (a lot of) women, double standards are pretty standard stuff.


Nailed it.
 
2013-01-31 06:49:51 AM  

vwarb: mike_d85: FTFA
Obviously, despite the app's implied "girl power" theme, it's not exactly flattering toward either sex. As Jezebel points out, the odds of this app remaining in the App Store if it encouraged you to put your girlfriend on a leash, choke her, and hammer her with a tennis racket are pretty low.

Anyone else immediately assume "hammer" meant vigorous penetration?

The hammer is my penis.


jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com

Approves
 
2013-01-31 06:53:23 AM  
I love how the thread consists of of approximately 50% 'omg men are so persecuted! feminazis! this is what feminists actually believe!' when if you read the article even JEZEBEL of all places was calling the app out on it's bullshiat.
 
2013-01-31 06:57:55 AM  
i184.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-31 07:04:12 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: I love how the thread consists of of approximately 50% 'omg men are so persecuted! feminazis! this is what feminists actually believe!' when if you read the article even JEZEBEL of all places was calling the app out on it's bullshiat.


Dude, so much this. What was this cross posted to the main page or something?
 
2013-01-31 07:11:37 AM  

Slaxl: An eye for an eye leaves the world blind


Hans: An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. 
Billy: No, it doesn't. There'll be one guy left with one eye. How's the last blind guy gonna take out the eye of the last guy left?  All that guy has to do is run away and hide behind a bush. Ghandi was wrong. It's just that nobody's got the balls to come out and say it.
 
2013-01-31 07:13:08 AM  
It seems pretty obvious that the Apple screening is more about security than content. They will block legitimate apps for doing things that could be an exploit in a shady app, but they usually don't catch the content problems until they get publicity.

I think their review process is too procedural, but it is likely due to the number of apps that they need to sort through. They need a priority queue of well-established developers who will get through faster and with more wiggle-room. It would be like the TSA program where they clear you ahead of time and you can get a simplified trip through security. There is no reason why Omni Group needs to be screened at the same level as "Ben Dover" with his "Improve You're Credit Rating Now!!!" app.
 
2013-01-31 07:15:33 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: That's truly repulsive and I'm astonished that it got on the App Store at all!

/fark you, appl. seriously.


I saw the headline and assumed they were overreacting, then I read the description of what you do in the game........holy f*ck
 
2013-01-31 07:16:09 AM  
There are plenty of men being abused by women as well as both genders being abused in same sex relationships. You don't hear about the men because they seldom come forward. Law enforcement usually doesn't take them seriously and their peers ridicule them and question their masculinity. It's silly to get your panties wadded over an app, but we as a society need to address all abuse and take measures to end the double standard.
 
2013-01-31 07:17:41 AM  

g4lt: I sound fat: g4lt: super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.

Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.

I'm going to try to say this without saying you're a damn fool, it won't work.  I meant what I said about civilization failing, civilization is the distinct part of humanity that makes it so that we can determine if someone is suffering harm and alleviate it.  This is the part that is failing.  Blaming the victim DOESN'T WORK, get that through your pointy little head.  If someone is committing criminal acts, they shouldn't be the one to stay put while their victim has to quit the field, that is UNCIVILIZED, get it yet?


Listen, im going to try and say... screw it, no im not.  learn to read jackhat...

Im not blaming the victim, im telling the "victim" to remove himself from the situation.  If you cant see that is the rational thing to do, there is ZERO hope for you, fair or not.
 
2013-01-31 07:19:07 AM  
If your girlfriend installs this app, uninstall her.
 
2013-01-31 07:20:56 AM  
There's a trope for that (Link goes to cybercrackhouse)
 
2013-01-31 07:21:20 AM  
Actually maybe you are right.  maybe the "victim" SHOULD stay and get beaten while waiting for the aggressor to leave cause, hey, that is more fair.    Perhaps this is natural selection at its finest.

If you arent man enough to protect yourself from your woman, perhaps you NEED to have an aggressive, strong woman as  your mate.  If you had both as aggressors, perhaps you end up with children who end up as menaces to society.

Is that better, man?  is that a better solution to the situation?  just stay and get beaten?

/ truly no hope....
 
2013-01-31 07:26:58 AM  

GoldSpider: g4lt: So telling someone to get out of a burning house is help, putting out the fire isn't? Got it.

So in the context of a friend helping a woman in an abusive relationship, "help" can only mean... murdering the abuser??


So the ONLY choices are "kill the biatch" or "do nothing"?  Dude, remember that whole "civilization" thing?  Surprisingly, it may have a third option, like "have the biatch arrested".  Interesting that you added a helper to the woman abuser here though.  This is typical in your experience, that when people see a person being abused, they pile on?
 
2013-01-31 07:28:01 AM  

BumpInTheNight: You know what'd really have livened up their games? A female protagonist, finally a reason for all those clothing options.




I'm disappointed that they haven't done this yet. It would have been so much fun, and would open up a whole 'nother vein of twisted humor.
 
2013-01-31 07:30:30 AM  
I don't know where you guys get the "cops don't believe the man" crap from.

My roommate was in an abusive relationship with this crazy chick. He finally had enough and kicked her out. She showed up with her equally f*cked up sister to move her stuff. My buddy just sat on the couch and tried to ignore them but they constantly tried to pick a fight with him every time they went by. He had enough so he gently placed her stuff right outside the door. She flipped out and called the cops. They show up and her and her sister are flipping out about how her stuff will get stolen and yadda yadda. He's kind of outnumbered and he loses it and blurts out that she hits him all the time (which is true, she did a lot) and the two girls start laughing about how he's a pussy and blah blah. The cop looks at her and says with a straight face, "Ma'am I don't find that funny at all and if he wants I'll arrest you right here". That shut them up.

Cops go to enough domestic disturbance calls to know that probably over half the time, it's the woman hitting the guy
 
2013-01-31 07:35:43 AM  
The perfect app for psychotic man-haters.
 
2013-01-31 07:36:09 AM  

I sound fat: g4lt: I sound fat: g4lt: super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.

Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.

I'm going to try to say this without saying you're a damn fool, it won't work.  I meant what I said about civilization failing, civilization is the distinct part of humanity that makes it so that we can determine if someone is suffering harm and alleviate it.  This is the part that is failing.  Blaming the victim DOESN'T WORK, get that through your pointy little head.  If someone is committing criminal acts, they shouldn't be the one to stay put while their victim has to quit the field, that is UNCIVILIZED, get it yet?

Listen, im going to try and say... screw it, no im not.  learn to read jackhat...

Im not blaming the victim, im telling the "victim" to remove himself from the situation.  If you cant see that is the rational thing to do, there is ZERO hope for you, fair or not.


It's only rational when there's no civilization to remove the abuser from the situation.  That is the entire point of a law enforcement apparatus, to get the person doing the unethical harm out of the situation and let the victim get on with their life.
 
2013-01-31 07:38:57 AM  

jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.


Odd, I've never been able to sell my daughter for anything.

Also, Karma is an amazingly idiotic concept.
 
2013-01-31 07:43:30 AM  

jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.


You also used to be able to sell your son, or the guy from the neighbouring tribe you captured. What exactly is your point here?
 
2013-01-31 07:43:58 AM  

dragonchild: Don't see a problem.

I didn't get all outraged during the revelation that you could beat up hookers in GTA, either.  The more violence we channel into non-violent areas, the better.


I generally agree, however the major difference is that GTA is rated M, and only intended for those 17 and older... While this stupid game is apparently "rated for players aged 4 and up", according to the article... I don't think a 4 year old playing GTA is a great idea, either...
 
2013-01-31 07:43:58 AM  

jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.


This is how of liberals actually think v
 
2013-01-31 07:45:06 AM  

thamike: Subby wears a popped collar knock-off and has Bret Easton Ellis syndrome.


Am I the only guy on Fark who actually enjoys reading Ellis' work? I particularly dig his short story compilations.

He is a jerk, though. But so are some of my favorite musicians, actors, and artists.
 
2013-01-31 07:51:07 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: That's truly repulsive and I'm astonished that it got on the App Store at all!

/fark you, appl. seriously.


doninone
 
2013-01-31 07:52:47 AM  

jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.


Nice liberal thinking you have there. Oh, and Karma? WTF, you really believe in that crap?
 
2013-01-31 07:52:58 AM  

Nemo's Brother: jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.

This is how of liberals actually think v


As a liberal, I actually think you are full of shiat.
 
2013-01-31 07:53:36 AM  

g4lt: It's only rational when there's no civilization to remove the abuser from the situation. That is the entire point of a law enforcement apparatus, to get the person doing the unethical harm out of the situation and let the victim get on with their life.


Yes, but that requires cooperation from the victim, in actually calling the cops, and then going through with pressing charges and testifying and all that... Many times, for whatever reason, they choose not to cooperate... In the case of guys hit by women, I think many of them don't want to admit to being abused for fear of being labeled weakling pussies... In the case of women hit by men, I think it's more often that they have a sort of Stockholm syndrome and blame themselves for the abuse rather than the abuser... But, in any case, if the victim won't cooperate with law enforcement, I'm not sure how you expect "civilization" to just swoop in and magically save the day (all while probably being cursed by the victim for their interference)...
 
2013-01-31 07:54:27 AM  

g4lt: Surprisingly, it may have a third option, like "have the biatch arrested".


And you expect the police to respond to a hearsay allegation from a not-neciessarily-neutral third party?

I suppose telling the victim to call the police is "blaming the victim" too.
 
2013-01-31 07:56:53 AM  
jaylectricity:  Karma is a biatch.

I don't recall the Gandhi "eye for an eye" quote going quite like that.
 
2013-01-31 08:00:48 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: Who cares? Seriously. What sort of raging psychotic gets their underwear all twisted out of shape over something so puerile?


The kind of person who get's upset over something like this is the kind of person who has been a victim of domestic abuse. When you make light of female on male domestic abuse it encourages it in society and enforces stereotypes that continue trends like under-reporting of female to male domestic abuse. It's like asking why people would get their underwear twisted up about burning crosses.

Slaxl: I don't see the problem. It's a game, it's not real, and it certainly isn't encouraging violence against men. Yes, if it was the other way around lots of people would be even more outraged because violence against women is a big problem


Violence against men is a big problem and it remains vastly under-reported. In this case the game explicitly encourages abuse against the man in the relationship. You know damn well Apple never would have approved this app if the roles were reversed.

I sound fat: If you arent man enough to protect yourself from your woman, perhaps you NEED to have an aggressive, strong woman as your mate.


My ex-wife liked to get physically abusive as she had a bad temper. I used to be a professional bouncer and could have easily "won", but I never once attempted to defend myself. Do you know what happens in the real world when the man defends himself against his wife attacking him? He goes to jail, she gets an OFP, the kids, the house and you lose a lot of your rights for the rest of your life. Protecting yourself inside your own home is nothing at all like protecting yourself when walking down the street.

I was afraid to walk away after hearing horror story upon horror story about how sexist the family court is and how hard it is for a man to get custody of kids in the real world. The result is that a /lot/ of men stay in abusive relationships because they are afraid of losing their kids to the divorce courts. By staying with her as long as I did I protected the kids from her wraith by and took most of her of her abuse instead of them taking it. As far as I am concerned my manhood is very much still intact.
 
2013-01-31 08:02:25 AM  

jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.


Only if she's hot.  As a general rule, daughters aren't particularly useful.  Maybe one or two, after you've had several sons to carry on your name.  But that's mainly so one can take over the cooking and cleaning duties after your current wife dies in childbirth.  Even that, however, is only temporary until you can get a replacement wife.
 
2013-01-31 08:03:55 AM  

roblarky: Slaxl: An eye for an eye leaves the world blind

Hans: An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. 
Billy: No, it doesn't. There'll be one guy left with one eye. How's the last blind guy gonna take out the eye of the last guy left?  All that guy has to do is run away and hide behind a bush. Ghandi was wrong. It's just that nobody's got the balls to come out and say it.


Actually, 'an eye for an eye' just leaves the criminals and the victims blind. The rest of us are just fine, thanks.
 
2013-01-31 08:04:08 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: There's a trope for that (Link goes to cybercrackhouse)


Well, fark. There goes the afternoon.
 
2013-01-31 08:04:25 AM  
Rather unshockingly the rate of abuse in relationships is about the same rather the couple is straight or gay and the rate in straight couples of female on male violence is the same as male on female violence . The difference is that when you get female on male violence the number of hospital visits is much lower on average than when male on female violence gets going. Frequencies are the same, outcomes are very different.
 
2013-01-31 08:05:59 AM  
Link
Well, it is. Always has been.
 
2013-01-31 08:08:52 AM  

I sound fat: Tip: If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE. You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not. You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment. If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl. I dont get this at ALL.


And yet pretty much the same can be said of women, for the most part. Hell, women at least have specialized shelters set up to protect them IN JUST THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. Sleeping behind a dumpster isn't even as much of a worry for them, because it's less likely!

I sound fat:

Im not blaming the victim, im telling the "victim" to remove himself from the situation.  If you cant see that is the rational thing to do, there is ZERO hope for you, fair or not.

ARe you willing to explain this same logic to women in abusive relationships? If the "victim" doesn't remove herself, that's baffling, and, well, there's zero hope for her so we shouldn't really care?
 
2013-01-31 08:11:08 AM  

onyxruby: I was afraid to walk away after hearing horror story upon horror story about how sexist the family court is and how hard it is for a man to get custody of kids in the real world. The result is that a /lot/ of men stay in abusive relationships because they are afraid of losing their kids to the divorce courts. By staying with her as long as I did I protected the kids from her wraith by and took most of her of her abuse instead of them taking it. As far as I am concerned my manhood is very much still intact.


Exactly this, and it is a common story.
 
2013-01-31 08:17:56 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: abhorrent1: I need to come up with an idea for a Rape app. That would be okay, right?

No. You see, Apple has a way of shutting that whole thing down.


Didn't you just run for the Senate as a Republican?
 
2013-01-31 08:19:22 AM  
Some people laugh when I say there's a war on men.  But when additives to foods and hygiene products f*ck with a person's testosterone (read up on what parabens do), and hearing stories like this,  you kind of have to wonder how true it is.

Oh.  And if you're suffering from depression, can't concentrate, have no get-up-and-go, etc, the doctor will prescribe Zoloft, Adderall, and a bunch of other drugs; but if you find your T is very low (but still in the "normal" range, which is a pretty wide range), farked if the doctor won't prescribe something for that.
 
2013-01-31 08:21:25 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: abhorrent1: I need to come up with an idea for a Rape app. That would be okay, right?

No. You see, Apple has a way of shutting that whole thing down.


Only if they truly didn't want the ap
 
2013-01-31 08:22:00 AM  

I sound fat: g4lt: super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.

Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.


Yeah, that doesn't really work when there's kids involved.
 
2013-01-31 08:25:50 AM  

jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.


exactly! it's perfectly ok to harass by depiction of violence and degradation people who live decades or centuries and hundreds if not thousands of miles away from events which are contemptible and in which they obviously never participated and very likely would condemn, simply on the basis of the accident of gender. guys should just "man up" (amitirite?) and take it.
 
2013-01-31 08:26:32 AM  

ajt167: I was under the impression that violent video games don't influence people and lead them to believe violence is okay. What am I missing?


Came here to say this. You can't argue that something is harmless and howl about how it threatens a group that includes you in the same breath.

Violence against men is a real thing that really exists and it is a problem. This problem is in no way related to pretend video game violence against an imaginary man any more than a "beat your wife" game creates or enhances actual violence against women. That said, subby is absolutely right that a Chris Brown simulator would bring out the torch and pitchfork brigade before it was even done compiling.
 
2013-01-31 08:29:20 AM  

Nemo's Brother: jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.

This is how of liberals actually think v


This is how conservatives actually talk.
 
2013-01-31 08:31:00 AM  

onyxruby: Violence against men is a big problem and it remains vastly under-reported.


100% correct. i was in a relationship in which i was battered and raped (never mind the emotional/verbal abuse) and i thought of reporting it, but it would be a he said - she said situation, and one guy who had gone to a rape crises center was, literally, laughed at.
 
2013-01-31 08:35:26 AM  

Flakeloaf: ajt167: I was under the impression that violent video games don't influence people and lead them to believe violence is okay. What am I missing?

Came here to say this. You can't argue that something is harmless and howl about how it threatens a group that includes you in the same breath.

Violence against men is a real thing that really exists and it is a problem. This problem is in no way related to pretend video game violence against an imaginary man any more than a "beat your wife" game creates or enhances actual violence against women. That said, subby is absolutely right that a Chris Brown simulator would bring out the torch and pitchfork brigade before it was even done compiling.


The issue here is the double standard. If this were a "Smack your biatch up" game, there would be an outcry. Either both are acceptable, or neither is.
 
2013-01-31 08:35:36 AM  
Oh, America. If it weren't for double standards, we'd have no standards at all.
 
2013-01-31 08:35:51 AM  

xanadian: Some people laugh when I say there's a war on men.  But when additives to foods and hygiene products f*ck with a person's testosterone (read up on what parabens do), and hearing stories like this,  you kind of have to wonder how true it is.

Oh.  And if you're suffering from depression, can't concentrate, have no get-up-and-go, etc, the doctor will prescribe Zoloft, Adderall, and a bunch of other drugs; but if you find your T is very low (but still in the "normal" range, which is a pretty wide range), farked if the doctor won't prescribe something for that.


T in this case meaning the tinfoil content of your hat.
 
2013-01-31 08:36:41 AM  

Voxper: My girlfriend of 10 years ago would occasionally hit me.

Afterwards, a number of avowed feminists told me flat-out that it didn't matter.

So much for the all-knowing power of Holy Feminist Theory in matters of flesh and blood.


Feminists don't condone relationship violence. I don't know what you'd call the people you talked to, but "avowed feminist" isn't it.

CSB time. I am at a university, and occasionally students are hired to work at a lab where heavy machinery is used. After complaining to one of the professors about the clear bias towards hiring males for the heavy machinery jobs and ignoring women's applications, I was told "They used to hire women, but they didn't work out. They tried, that's not good enough?" He found it perfectly acceptable that an entire class of people had been dismissed out of hand for what were either a few bad eggs or poor hiring decisions. Substitute "black", "Turkish", or any other minority and I'm sure he would find that appalling, but "women." Yeah, they just didn't work out. Nevermind that I'm actually certified to drive a forklift and I restore old cars for fun, I clearly don't deserve to be judged on my own merits.

Wash, rinse and repeat the above for your entire life and you get "avowed feminists" who think it's okay to abuse men.

In the immortal words of Chris Rock: I'm not saying it's right, just that I understand.
 
2013-01-31 08:38:10 AM  

LordJiro: Yep, only Men are the abusers! A woman is too weak to really threaten a man.


Crazy biatch once tried to brain me with a claw hammer.  I'm annoyed by the disparity in how domestic violence against men is treated.

/yes, yes, CSB, I know.
 
2013-01-31 08:40:14 AM  

jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.


...have you paid your slavery reparations yet?
 
2013-01-31 08:40:19 AM  
Sounds like the femmys want all the reward and none of the responsibility that "true equality" demands. You want to be treated as equals among men, you have to play by the same set of rules.
 
2013-01-31 08:40:33 AM  

mentula: 100% correct. i was in a relationship in which i was battered and raped (never mind the emotional/verbal abuse) and i thought of reporting it, but it would be a he said - she said situation, and one guy who had gone to a rape crises center was, literally, laughed at.


A gay male friend of mine was raped. The police laughed at him and all of the rape and crisis lines were literally only set up to support women. He received absolutely no support of any kind whatsoever, even though there was no doubt that he had been raped.

In the state I live in there isn't a single domestic abuse shelter that allows men to stay. Their is a system wide state of denial that domestic abuse against men exists in this country.
 
2013-01-31 08:40:54 AM  

MsIndy: In the immortal words of Chris Rock: I'm not saying it's right, just that I understand.


Brilliant usage.
 
2013-01-31 08:46:56 AM  

Deacon Blue: L.D. Ablo: My ex-fiancee would get ragingly drunk.  One time she got into a fistfight with the neighbor, smashed a window and got arrested.  On the Night of the Flying Plates, she started throwing them at my head.  Fortunately, she was too drunk to have good aim.

Nice to see an app that encourages this sort of thing.

/happily single today
//lives with cats

I still hate you.  Can't remember why, you must have done something though.  However, the fact that you're a cat person makes me hate you less than I did before  Don't get me wrong, I still hate you, but if you're a cat dude you can't be all bad.

/do you have any idea why I hate you.  There just has to be a reason.


Hate is for people who don't take their Fark handles from Steely Dan songs.
 
2013-01-31 08:46:56 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: Who cares? Seriously. What sort of raging psychotic gets their underwear all twisted out of shape over something so puerile?

If you're not adult enough to laugh this off you should be drugged up to the gills and institutionalised because the real world is apparently an alien planet...

I would rate the Shades of Gray, Harry Potter and Twilight fandoms as far more deserving of public derision and scorn than this rubbish....


What did Harry Potter ever do to you? Use this doll and show me where he's touched you.
 
2013-01-31 08:48:18 AM  

VonEvilstein: Flakeloaf: ajt167: I was under the impression that violent video games don't influence people and lead them to believe violence is okay. What am I missing?

Came here to say this. You can't argue that something is harmless and howl about how it threatens a group that includes you in the same breath.

Violence against men is a real thing that really exists and it is a problem. This problem is in no way related to pretend video game violence against an imaginary man any more than a "beat your wife" game creates or enhances actual violence against women. That said, subby is absolutely right that a Chris Brown simulator would bring out the torch and pitchfork brigade before it was even done compiling.

The issue here is the double standard. If this were a "Smack your biatch up" game, there would be an outcry. Either both are acceptable, or neither is.


Neither is, of course. The violence against women movement just has more momentum. Kinda like how the Bnai Brith is the first to scream when a guy gets his yarmulke knocked off in the subway, but someone walking around kicking Ukranian Orthodox Christians in the ankles might get a two-line finger wag from the local ACLU chapter in the "Missed Connections" section of the community ad-rag.
 
2013-01-31 08:50:14 AM  

super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.


I have never wanted to punch someone through the Internet until today.  Here we are.
 
2013-01-31 08:52:34 AM  
'Make me a sammich, biatch' app
 
2013-01-31 08:52:37 AM  

Flakeloaf: VonEvilstein: Flakeloaf: ajt167: I was under the impression that violent video games don't influence people and lead them to believe violence is okay. What am I missing?

Came here to say this. You can't argue that something is harmless and howl about how it threatens a group that includes you in the same breath.

Violence against men is a real thing that really exists and it is a problem. This problem is in no way related to pretend video game violence against an imaginary man any more than a "beat your wife" game creates or enhances actual violence against women. That said, subby is absolutely right that a Chris Brown simulator would bring out the torch and pitchfork brigade before it was even done compiling.

The issue here is the double standard. If this were a "Smack your biatch up" game, there would be an outcry. Either both are acceptable, or neither is.

Neither is, of course. The violence against women movement just has more momentum. Kinda like how the Bnai Brith is the first to scream when a guy gets his yarmulke knocked off in the subway, but someone walking around kicking Ukranian Orthodox Christians in the ankles might get a two-line finger wag from the local ACLU chapter in the "Missed Connections" section of the community ad-rag.


Exactly. I apologise, actually, as you were probably not the best person to quote to make this point.
 
2013-01-31 08:53:05 AM  

MsIndy: CSB time. I am at a university, and occasionally students are hired to work at a lab where heavy machinery is used. After complaining to one of the professors about the clear bias towards hiring males for the heavy machinery jobs and ignoring women's applications, I was told "They used to hire women, but they didn't work out. They tried, that's not good enough?" He found it perfectly acceptable that an entire class of people had been dismissed out of hand for what were either a few bad eggs or poor hiring decisions. Substitute "black", "Turkish", or any other minority and I'm sure he would find that appalling, but "women." Yeah, they just didn't work out. Nevermind that I'm actually certified to drive a forklift and I restore old cars for fun, I clearly don't deserve to be judged on my own merits.


It would be just fine if Black or Turkish people had a known history of being shiatty at operating heavy machinery and had caused a disproportionate number of accidents and or near misses. Since the are no real differences between races (race isn't even a real thing) and we happen to be a species with a fair degree of sexual dimorphism I would say that judging a person based on their sex is much more correct than judging someone based on their 'race'.
 
2013-01-31 08:53:13 AM  

onyxruby: Slaxl: I don't see the problem. It's a game, it's not real, and it certainly isn't encouraging violence against men. Yes, if it was the other way around lots of people would be even more outraged because violence against women is a big problem

Violence against men is a big problem and it remains vastly under-reported. In this case the game explicitly encourages abuse against the man in the relationship. You know damn well Apple never would have approved this app if the roles were reversed.


That's right they wouldn't have approved it, but my main point was that it doesn't promote violence in one way or the other, so let this app go, watch the violence rates remain the same, then we can talk about other causes, because it sure as hell isn't a game.
 
2013-01-31 08:53:39 AM  

Voxper: kingoomieiii : Rigid gender roles hurt everyone.

And since rigid gender roles are, according to feminist theory, actually all men's fault... abused men who are laughed at are merely being hoisted by their own sexist petards!*

*I have ACTUALLY seen this argument made on feminist web-sites.


As we live in a patriarchal society, I fail to see the obvious flaw in this (crude) statement.
 
2013-01-31 08:55:02 AM  

xxdangerbobxx: As we live in a patriarchal society, I fail to see the obvious flaw in this (crude) statement.


Actually, by law, we do not.
 
2013-01-31 08:56:40 AM  

onyxruby: I was afraid to walk away after hearing horror story upon horror story about how sexist the family court is and how hard it is for a man to get custody of kids in the real world. The result is that a /lot/ of men stay in abusive relationships because they are afraid of losing their kids to the divorce courts. By staying with her as long as I did I protected the kids from her wraith by and took most of her of her abuse instead of them taking it. As far as I am concerned my manhood is very much still intact.


There was a guy who worked for me for a short time who was in an abusive relationship.  I asked him to work late one night on a drop-in project for a customer and he allowed as how he would be beaten when he got home if he did.  He wondered if he could come in a few hours early the next morning instead.  After talking to him for a bit, he admitted that he was in an abusive relationship, that she hit him frequently because of an out-of-control temper (I daresay she was bipolar).  I asked him why he stayed and he allowed as how he thought of himself as a lightening rod between her and their two daughters.  He had tried the marriage counseling and other avenues but she could put on a great show for others so nothing changed and he was pretty sure it wouldn't.

Then one morning he came in with a black eye.  I invited him into my office and asked him about it.  His wife had always been careful not to leave a mark. He broke down and told me that his oldest daughter, then about 14, had thrown a temper tantrum because he didn't want her to start dating.  She hit him and his wife only encouraged her and said he deserved it.  A week later he wrapped a company car around an overpass support at about 75 mph.  Clear, dry conditions and no skid marks.

Definitely not a cool story, bro.
 
2013-01-31 08:57:44 AM  

untaken_name: xxdangerbobxx: As we live in a patriarchal society, I fail to see the obvious flaw in this (crude) statement.

Actually, by law, we do not.


Oh, well, if the law says it, it must be true.
 
2013-01-31 09:00:16 AM  
Egoy3k: Hoo boy, did you just step in it.

There are NO differences between women and men. Except in the ways that women are better than men.

Didn't you take Gender Ed in college?
 
2013-01-31 09:06:38 AM  
xxdangerbobxx: Because it's victim blaming. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to say to you.
 
2013-01-31 09:07:23 AM  

RobSeace: While this stupid game is apparently "rated for players aged 4 and up", according to the article... I don't think a 4 year old playing GTA is a great idea, either...


I don't think a 4-year-old would understand any malicious nuances of a beat-up-the-boyfriend game in the first place.  They'd probably have a lot of fun beating up their own faces, or something.  And if that would corrupt their innocent little minds, we might as well give up because I don't see how society is anything but doomed.  Fortunately, I think that slippery slope is way off base.  Children have to be actively taught to hate.
 
2013-01-31 09:09:38 AM  
Had an abusive wife so I'm getting a kick . . .
 
2013-01-31 09:11:10 AM  
What you people fail to see is that abuse is an institutional thing. You can't be an "abuser" if you're in the oppressed minority (e.g. a women). It goes the other way. The majority oppressors (men) are the ones who are abusive to the oppressed minority, not the other way around.
 
2013-01-31 09:15:14 AM  
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
 
2013-01-31 09:16:55 AM  
Entirely unamused.

/unless it shows Rihanna beating up Chris Brown
 
2013-01-31 09:18:48 AM  
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2013-01-31 09:25:47 AM  

WhippingBoy: What you people fail to see is that abuse is an institutional thing. You can't be an "abuser" if you're in the oppressed minority (e.g. a women). It goes the other way. The majority oppressors (men) are the ones who are abusive to the oppressed minority, not the other way around.


Not sure if serious, but either way, this post explains exactly why "group guilt" and "shared responsibility" folks don't get taken seriously. People need to be held responsible for their own actions, and no one else's. To do otherwise is scapegoating: a fundamentally unjust act.
 
2013-01-31 09:27:25 AM  

Voxper: xxdangerbobxx: Because it's victim blaming. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to say to you.


You might probably start by saying that meaningful debate or exploring statements given by others was never one of your strongest strengths.

The statement you were so quick to deride isn't false by any stretch of the imagination.  That by itself does not prove or disprove anything else, but it is very much a given. Your emphasis in the original statement shows your level of intellectual honesty and / or discourse.
 
2013-01-31 09:28:08 AM  
As a guy who was assaulted by two girls on the school bus back in the early '90's, I not amused by this app.  It started out as they were playfully poking at me and led up to one trying to kick my head in while the other was swinging for the outfield.  The bus driver refused to do anything, so I took it to his supervisor.  All three of us were given suspension from the bus.  I fought it and took it to the vice-principal.  He upheld the suspension and told me to call my 'mommy'.  My parents and I took it to the principal who dropped my suspension and expelled both girls who by then had a long record of this kind of thing.  During this both girls tried the doey eye attempt to drop it.
 
2013-01-31 09:35:32 AM  

Smock Pot: You guys, you're so sensitive. It's just a game. Sand in your vag much?

/what the gentlemen of fark would say if roles were reversed
//the butthurt, deal with it


It's not the app that's offensive, it's the double standard. If there was a app where you beat women I would say deal with it, but we all know it would never make it to the market like this one did.
 
2013-01-31 09:40:48 AM  
There is quite a double standard when it comes to tolerance of violence between the sexes. Some of that attitude is understandable due to the natural physical size difference, but it shouldn't be condoned either way.

Csb: Had an ex that was rather drunk and picked a verbal fight. I calmly ended it with a "whatever" and walked downstairs and watched tv. About a half hour later she comes down with a baseball bat screaming how she wants to beat me to death. She then grabs her car keys and starts to leave and I block her path to the door because she's drunk and in no condition to drive.

She takes a half hearted swing at me with the bat, I grab it out of her hands at which she starts screaming how she's going to call the police on me. At no point did I even raise my voice or threaten her. I did know that if she called the police it was me that would end up in jail no matter what I said. Eventually I talked her into just going to bed. The point here is that women know they have leverage to get away with a lot of crazy shiat and they use it. They are often given the benefit of the doubt, but are just as batshiat as men.
 
2013-01-31 09:41:51 AM  
Out of curiosity I tried the game in question. Yeah, it is abusive, but it also sucks. So, why make a big deal out of it. It's not like its going to turn into the next Angry Birds or whatever.

/had an abusive ex
 
2013-01-31 09:45:12 AM  

Millennium: WhippingBoy: What you people fail to see is that abuse is an institutional thing. You can't be an "abuser" if you're in the oppressed minority (e.g. a women). It goes the other way. The majority oppressors (men) are the ones who are abusive to the oppressed minority, not the other way around.

Not sure if serious, but either way, this post explains exactly why "group guilt" and "shared responsibility" folks don't get taken seriously. People need to be held responsible for their own actions, and no one else's. To do otherwise is scapegoating: a fundamentally unjust act.


That's exactly what I'd expect a patriarchal oppressor to say. A vain attempt to remain in power, under the guise of "personal responsibility".
 
2013-01-31 09:45:51 AM  

kingoomieiii: Nofun: With some (a lot of) women, double standards are pretty standard stuff.

Here's a phrase from feminism: Rigid gender roles hurt everyone. This notion of "Oh, women can't REALLY hurt men" comes from gender existentialism. It's the same societal misconception that keeps male rape victims from being taken seriously.


It is not a double standard because most women can't really hurt men without using weapons.  Have you ever seen a women's self defense final exam?  Have you ever wrestled a girlfriend?  Have you ever been hit by a woman?

This app is funny because the actions depicted don't happen in real life without the man's consent.
 
2013-01-31 09:47:07 AM  

g4lt: GoldSpider: g4lt: So telling someone to get out of a burning house is help, putting out the fire isn't? Got it.

So in the context of a friend helping a woman in an abusive relationship, "help" can only mean... murdering the abuser??

So the ONLY choices are "kill the biatch" or "do nothing"?  Dude, remember that whole "civilization" thing?  Surprisingly, it may have a third option, like "have the biatch arrested".  Interesting that you added a helper to the woman abuser here though.  This is typical in your experience, that when people see a person being abused, they pile on?


You ever tried to have a woman arrested in a domestic violence incident? They never get arrested unless they are dumb enough to commit battery right in front of the police, it is always the mans fault, always. Guy could have four bullets in him, be bleeding out, and the mouth breathing sub-100 IQ police would still say it is his fault.
 
2013-01-31 09:47:57 AM  

Nofun: With some (a lot of) women, double standards are pretty standard stuff.


You poor, poor, abused man.  I don't know how you've stayed so strong this long.

I guess you missed the part where Jezebel , that "bastion of man-hating feminist harpies," criticized the game.
 
2013-01-31 09:49:47 AM  

ciberido: Nofun: With some (a lot of) women, double standards are pretty standard stuff.

You poor, poor, abused man.  I don't know how you've stayed so strong this long.

I guess you missed the part where Jezebel , that "bastion of man-hating feminist harpies," criticized the game.


I know, right? The Patriarchal apologists are out in full force today.
 
2013-01-31 09:50:16 AM  

xxdangerbobxx: Voxper: kingoomieiii : Rigid gender roles hurt everyone.

And since rigid gender roles are, according to feminist theory, actually all men's fault... abused men who are laughed at are merely being hoisted by their own sexist petards!*

*I have ACTUALLY seen this argument made on feminist web-sites.

As we live in a patriarchal society, I fail to see the obvious flaw in this (crude) statement.


Real equality will be achieved when women can take a punch as well as men.
 
2013-01-31 09:52:12 AM  

MayoSlather: She takes a half hearted swing at me with the bat, I grab it out of her hands at which she starts screaming how she's going to call the police on me. At no point did I even raise my voice or threaten her. I did know that if she called the police it was me that would end up in jail no matter what I said. Eventually I talked her into just going to bed. The point here is that women know they have leverage to get away with a lot of crazy shiat and they use it. They are often given the benefit of the doubt, but are just as batshiat as men.


You should have let her call them. Being  drunk is worse for your case than being a dude in domestic disputes. Well it was in my experience anyway.

I called the cops to remove a drunken woman from my apartment once, she was a friend of my girlfriend and was being very rude towards me and my other guests. When I told her to leave she got violent. I told her to leave and she refused. I had two options at this point, leave myself and leave her in control of my property and possessions, forcibly remove her, or call the police. When the cops showed up to find a sober me standing by the door and her drunkenly raving about how I hit her and they should take me to jail the officer just laughed and slapped the cuffs on her. She's no longer friends with my wife.
 
2013-01-31 09:57:32 AM  

Nofun: With some (a lot of) all women, double standards are pretty standard stuff.


FTFY
 
2013-01-31 09:59:11 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: I love how the thread consists of of approximately 50% 'omg men are so persecuted! feminazis! this is what feminists actually believe!' when if you read the article even JEZEBEL of all places was calling the app out on it's bullshiat.


Shhhh!  The men are commiserating about how persecuted they are.  Don't interrupt men with your silly facts.
 
2013-01-31 10:03:36 AM  

ciberido: LowbrowDeluxe: I love how the thread consists of of approximately 50% 'omg men are so persecuted! feminazis! this is what feminists actually believe!' when if you read the article even JEZEBEL of all places was calling the app out on it's bullshiat.

Shhhh!  The men are commiserating about how persecuted they are.  Don't interrupt men with your silly facts.


Fight on! Brave Gender Warrior!!!
 
2013-01-31 10:04:02 AM  

Voxper: *I have ACTUALLY seen this argument made on feminist web-sites.

Voxper: Afterwards, a number of avowed feminists told me flat-out that it didn't matter.


Oh, come on. Let's be honest. You've never actually talked to a feminist or visited a feminist website. Except for that one, we wouldn't know her, she's from Canada.
 
2013-01-31 10:05:25 AM  

VonEvilstein: Nemo's Brother: jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.

This is how of liberals actually think v

As a liberal, I actually think you are full of shiat.


This is like the 5th thread where  Nemo's Brother has played the "This is what liberals actually believe " card, and he's been more full of crap each thread.  At this rate, in about 3 more threads he'll be claiming that liberals killed off the dinosaurs.
 
2013-01-31 10:09:05 AM  

Mr. Right: onyxruby: I was afraid to walk away after hearing horror story upon horror story about how sexist the family court is and how hard it is for a man to get custody of kids in the real world. The result is that a /lot/ of men stay in abusive relationships because they are afraid of losing their kids to the divorce courts. By staying with her as long as I did I protected the kids from her wraith by and took most of her of her abuse instead of them taking it. As far as I am concerned my manhood is very much still intact.

There was a guy who worked for me for a short time who was in an abusive relationship.  I asked him to work late one night on a drop-in project for a customer and he allowed as how he would be beaten when he got home if he did.  He wondered if he could come in a few hours early the next morning instead.  After talking to him for a bit, he admitted that he was in an abusive relationship, that she hit him frequently because of an out-of-control temper (I daresay she was bipolar).  I asked him why he stayed and he allowed as how he thought of himself as a lightening rod between her and their two daughters.  He had tried the marriage counseling and other avenues but she could put on a great show for others so nothing changed and he was pretty sure it wouldn't.

Then one morning he came in with a black eye.  I invited him into my office and asked him about it.  His wife had always been careful not to leave a mark. He broke down and told me that his oldest daughter, then about 14, had thrown a temper tantrum because he didn't want her to start dating.  She hit him and his wife only encouraged her and said he deserved it.  A week later he wrapped a company car around an overpass support at about 75 mph.  Clear, dry conditions and no skid marks.

Definitely not a cool story, bro.


Good god, that is one of the saddest things I've read in a while. I just imagine he made it through everyday by telling himself it was for his daughters, and then one of them starts turning into the mother. How utterly life-shattering that must have been.
 
2013-01-31 10:09:31 AM  

ciberido: VonEvilstein: Nemo's Brother: jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.

This is how of liberals actually think v

As a liberal, I actually think you are full of shiat.

This is like the 5th thread where  Nemo's Brother has played the "This is what liberals actually believe " card, and he's been more full of crap each thread.  At this rate, in about 3 more threads he'll be claiming that liberals killed off the dinosaurs.


Well, you don't see any dinosaurs in those liberal bastions of Massachusetts, New York, or California, do you?
 
2013-01-31 10:09:52 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: g4lt: GoldSpider: g4lt: So telling someone to get out of a burning house is help, putting out the fire isn't? Got it.

So in the context of a friend helping a woman in an abusive relationship, "help" can only mean... murdering the abuser??

So the ONLY choices are "kill the biatch" or "do nothing"?  Dude, remember that whole "civilization" thing?  Surprisingly, it may have a third option, like "have the biatch arrested".  Interesting that you added a helper to the woman abuser here though.  This is typical in your experience, that when people see a person being abused, they pile on?

You ever tried to have a woman arrested in a domestic violence incident? They never get arrested unless they are dumb enough to commit battery right in front of the police, it is always the mans fault, always. Guy could have four bullets in him, be bleeding out, and the mouth breathing sub-100 IQ police would still say it is his fault.


I used to work in a zero-tolerance jurisdiction. The rule was this: If there is a report of domestic violence, somebody is leaving that house tonight. In handcuffs, into a hotel room, in an ambulance, in her sister's car, SOMETHING. Somebody's going to be not home. This was in response to some recent incidents where domestic violence calls got FIDOed and people died. And yes, all of those people had girl parts. In most cases (usually related to child care or the difficulty in packing all of one's necessary shiat), it was the guy who was removed from his own home. We made it abundantly clear that it had nothing to do with guilt or innocence, but that the law simply forbade us from leaving them together and that moving him was just logistically easier. Usually they understood.

The upshot (inasmuch as a zero tolerance policy can have an upshot) is that if somebody's going to jail anyway, taking one or taking both doesn't really make that much of a difference so there's no disincentive to arresting whoever you think committed a crime, including her.

/was used as a weapon in a DV complaint
//she recanted
///and then here come the witnesses to point out her story made no sense
////sorry dude, honestly
 
2013-01-31 10:11:08 AM  

VonEvilstein: The issue here is the double standard. If this were a "Smack your biatch up" game, there would be an outcry. Either both are acceptable, or neither is.


Neither is.  Can we just agree on that and move on?

Cheering on women who abuse or rape me isn't empowering, whether it's real abuse or a fictional portrayal of such in a video game.
 
2013-01-31 10:16:28 AM  

ciberido: VonEvilstein: Nemo's Brother: jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.

This is how of liberals actually think v

As a liberal, I actually think you are full of shiat.

This is like the 5th thread where  Nemo's Brother has played the "This is what liberals actually believe " card, and he's been more full of crap each thread.  At this rate, in about 3 more threads he'll be claiming that liberals killed off the dinosaurs.


That's just crazy. Everyone knows it was Adric and the Cybermen who did that.
 
2013-01-31 10:17:30 AM  
can we all beat feminist bull dykes?
they're in a grey area
and they're into this whole fisting thing anyway
 
2013-01-31 10:19:18 AM  

Egoy3k: MsIndy: CSB time. I am at a university, and occasionally students are hired to work at a lab where heavy machinery is used. After complaining to one of the professors about the clear bias towards hiring males for the heavy machinery jobs and ignoring women's applications, I was told "They used to hire women, but they didn't work out. They tried, that's not good enough?" He found it perfectly acceptable that an entire class of people had been dismissed out of hand for what were either a few bad eggs or poor hiring decisions. Substitute "black", "Turkish", or any other minority and I'm sure he would find that appalling, but "women." Yeah, they just didn't work out. Nevermind that I'm actually certified to drive a forklift and I restore old cars for fun, I clearly don't deserve to be judged on my own merits.

It would be just fine if Black or Turkish people had a known history of being shiatty at operating heavy machinery and had caused a disproportionate number of accidents and or near misses. Since the are no real differences between races (race isn't even a real thing) and we happen to be a species with a fair degree of sexual dimorphism I would say that judging a person based on their sex is much more correct than judging someone based on their 'race'.


So you have some sort of study at hand which proves that women are worse than men at operating heavy machinery, do you?
 
2013-01-31 10:21:59 AM  

Voxper: Egoy3k: Hoo boy, did you just step in it.

There are NO differences between women and men. Except in the ways that women are better than men.

Didn't you take Gender Ed in college?


In all honesty, if you're being sincere and not trolling, you seem to have serious issues with women.  I would advise counselling.

Seriously, I'm not trying to score points here or be snarky.  You need to talk to somebody.
 
2013-01-31 10:24:56 AM  

Voxper: There are NO differences between women and men. Except in the ways that women are better than men.


Pro-tip: If you want to have any credibility with your other statements about "this is what feminists have told me" or "I totally read this on a feminist web site," then you probably shouldn't misrepresent feminists <B>in the very same thread</B>.
 
2013-01-31 10:28:25 AM  

browntimmy: Good god, that is one of the saddest things I've read in a while. I just imagine he made it through everyday by telling himself it was for his daughters, and then one of them starts turning into the mother. How utterly life-shattering that must have been.


As his boss, I realized I was walking a fine line between counseling and meddling so I tried to do a lot more listening, once he opened up, than talking.  But when I asked him if he thought it was a good idea for his daughters to see the kind of parental interaction he and his wife were modeling, he kind of slumped and said that he didn't think it was any good but he didn't know what else to do.  When he came in with the black eye, he put on a good show in front of the rest of the company about stepping on a rake or something like that.  But, behind the closed door of my office, he completely broke down.  I knew, at that moment, that he had been, as you put it, shattered.  And it still haunts me that I never anticipated his suicide.  He had put on such a good tough guy show in front of others that I thought he could handle it.  Quite honestly, had I not asked him to work pretty late that one night, I doubt he would ever have opened up to me.  This happened 18 years ago and I am getting teary-eyed typing about it.  R.I.P. Jim
 
2013-01-31 10:28:37 AM  
ʞɹɐɯʞooq ɐ ʇou sı sıɥʇ

/yes it is
 
2013-01-31 10:28:39 AM  

Deacon Blue: do you have any idea why I hate you.  There just has to be a reason.


Are you Irish-American by chance?
 
2013-01-31 10:28:53 AM  
Can I still run over a hooker with a car in GTA and get my money back?
 
2013-01-31 10:29:16 AM  
While I do find this app to be reprehensible and agree that Apple should drop it, I am also rather amused by the crowd in here screaming about how there is a double standard and that something portraying a guy beating a girl for fun would never be tolerated in our society.

Uh, reality check: do you guys even PAY ATTENTION to pop culture around you? As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers and yet has remained popular for years (this being Fark, who wants to bet that most of the people in this thread complaining that this app will encourage violence against men are the same ones who were screaming in outrage when that NRA head guy was claiming that video games promoted violence?). As for music? Eminem still sells millions of records even after he wrote a fantasy song about graphically murdering his ex-wife. Hell, entire music genres (hip hop now, hair metal back in the day) pretty much espouse woman-bashing themes all the time and nobody really cares. And don't even get me started on internet memes (even in this very thread, several posters have been making "get back in the kitchen" and "make me a sammich" jokes).

Perhaps the reason why you think there is a double standard where only female-on-male violence is tolerated in pop culture is because things like this app are pretty rare while the above mentioned things are so omnipresent in our culture that you barely even notice it anymore and just accept it as the default normal. Or perhaps you're just letting let your own personal bias distort your perception.

/male
//enjoys hip hop music, GTA, and "sammich" jokes
///does not condone violence towards either gender
////more slashies
 
2013-01-31 10:29:33 AM  

Moonfisher: There are plenty of men being abused by women as well as both genders being abused in same sex relationships. You don't hear about the men because they seldom come forward. Law enforcement usually doesn't take them seriously and their peers ridicule them and question their masculinity. It's silly to get your panties wadded over an app, but we as a society need to address all abuse and take measures to end the double standard.


A lot of women don't come forward either, not even when they're raped.  So, no double standard.  A mess, maybe, but no double standard.  If you're in an abusive relationship, YOU get blamed for it.  Get used to it.  I've been hearing about how it was all my fault for years.
 
2013-01-31 10:29:41 AM  
I don't know why women biatch so much, most men toil all their lives either to sustain a family or at least get the attention of one.

But I guess if nothing but sex is expected from you, you would also be a shallow, egocentric, spoiled little shiat.
 
2013-01-31 10:32:36 AM  
I'll say it again, just so everyone understands:

You can't be an "abuser" (or a racists, or a bigot, etc. etc.) if you're a member of an oppressed minority (e.g. anyone who isn't a straight white male). The majority oppressors (men) are the ones who are abusive to the oppressed minority, and thus are the only ones capable of abuse.
 
2013-01-31 10:33:45 AM  

namatad: L.D. Ablo: On the Night of the Flying Plates

ooooooooooooooooooooo
you made me cry I laughed so hard

been there done that
my crazy mom was awesome at flying plate night


My ex didn't participate in Flying Plate Night, as I would only buy plastic.  But she was aces at Flying End Table Night.  After her stunning entry, I didn't even try to enter the competition.  Plus, I only had one end table.
 
2013-01-31 10:34:41 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers


Senator, that wasn't true in 2001, and certainly isn't true now. Perhaps you should get one of your under-30 interns to talk to you about video games that have been released in the past decade before you rant about new legislation.
 
2013-01-31 10:35:50 AM  

L.D. Ablo: My ex-fiancee would get ragingly drunk.  One time she got into a fistfight with the neighbor, smashed a window and got arrested.  On the Night of the Flying Plates, she started throwing them at my head.  Fortunately, she was too drunk to have good aim.

Nice to see an app that encourages this sort of thing.

/happily single today
//lives with cats


I feel your pain, dude.

/Psycho Ex thread?
 
2013-01-31 10:38:32 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Uh, reality check: do you guys even PAY ATTENTION to pop culture around you? As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers


No it doesn't. It never has and probably never will glorify killing hookers. This is either a falshood that nobody has explained to you yet or an outright lie.

and yet has remained popular for years (this being Fark, who wants to bet that most of the people in this thread complaining that this app will encourage violence against men are the same ones who were screaming in outrage when that NRA head guy was claiming that video games promoted violence?).

I don't see anyone saying that this will encourage violence, most of them are just annoyed with double standards.

As for music? Eminem still sells millions of records even after he wrote a fantasy song about graphically murdering his ex-wife.


Even supposing that this is true (the millions of records thing not the song) it's not because of that song it's because of his ability as an artist or the studios ability to fake his ability.

Hell, entire music genres (hip hop now, hair metal back in the day) pretty much espouse woman-bashing themes all the time and nobody really cares. And don't even get me started on internet memes (even in this very thread, several posters have been making "get back in the kitchen" and "make me a sammich" jokes)

Nobody is upset at them making fun of men they are upset about depicting violence which has nothing to do with sandwiches.
 
2013-01-31 10:41:35 AM  

ciberido: Egoy3k: MsIndy: CSB time. I am at a university, and occasionally students are hired to work at a lab where heavy machinery is used. After complaining to one of the professors about the clear bias towards hiring males for the heavy machinery jobs and ignoring women's applications, I was told "They used to hire women, but they didn't work out. They tried, that's not good enough?" He found it perfectly acceptable that an entire class of people had been dismissed out of hand for what were either a few bad eggs or poor hiring decisions. Substitute "black", "Turkish", or any other minority and I'm sure he would find that appalling, but "women." Yeah, they just didn't work out. Nevermind that I'm actually certified to drive a forklift and I restore old cars for fun, I clearly don't deserve to be judged on my own merits.

It would be just fine if Black or Turkish people had a known history of being shiatty at operating heavy machinery and had caused a disproportionate number of accidents and or near misses. Since the are no real differences between races (race isn't even a real thing) and we happen to be a species with a fair degree of sexual dimorphism I would say that judging a person based on their sex is much more correct than judging someone based on their 'race'.

So you have some sort of study at hand which proves that women are worse than men at operating heavy machinery, do you?


I don't need one. I'm not asserting that they are. The professor in the story was either being dishonest or had a personal history of having issues with females and heavy machinery. Talk to him not me.
 
2013-01-31 10:41:43 AM  
Abuse is bad, mkay. Don't beat your SO, your child, your pet, etc.

There really isn't anything else to say on the matter.
 
2013-01-31 10:44:05 AM  

TelemonianAjax: namatad: L.D. Ablo: On the Night of the Flying Plates

ooooooooooooooooooooo
you made me cry I laughed so hard

been there done that
my crazy mom was awesome at flying plate night

My ex didn't participate in Flying Plate Night, as I would only buy plastic.  But she was aces at Flying End Table Night.  After her stunning entry, I didn't even try to enter the competition.  Plus, I only had one end table.


That wasn't a competition. She was just engaging you in a friendly game of catch.
 
2013-01-31 10:45:08 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: While I do find this app to be reprehensible and agree that Apple should drop it, I am also rather amused by the crowd in here screaming about how there is a double standard and that something portraying a guy beating a girl for fun would never be tolerated in our society.

Uh, reality check: do you guys even PAY ATTENTION to pop culture around you? As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers and yet has remained popular for years (this being Fark, who wants to bet that most of the people in this thread complaining that this app will encourage violence against men are the same ones who were screaming in outrage when that NRA head guy was claiming that video games promoted violence?). As for music? Eminem still sells millions of records even after he wrote a fantasy song about graphically murdering his ex-wife. Hell, entire music genres (hip hop now, hair metal back in the day) pretty much espouse woman-bashing themes all the time and nobody really cares. And don't even get me started on internet memes (even in this very thread, several posters have been making "get back in the kitchen" and "make me a sammich" jokes).

Perhaps the reason why you think there is a double standard where only female-on-male violence is tolerated in pop culture is because things like this app are pretty rare while the above mentioned things are so omnipresent in our culture that you barely even notice it anymore and just accept it as the default normal. Or perhaps you're just letting let your own personal bias distort your perception.

/male
//enjoys hip hop music, GTA, and "sammich" jokes
///does not condone violence towards either gender
////more slashies


Actually, more relevant would be that Sony doesn't go out of their way to censor video games from their system in the same way that Apple does. It's like comparing what is 'acceptable content' in a NYTimes article to, say, FARK Comments. Apple makes a big deal about there being a 'morality gateway' to their App Store, which this passed, while GTA went under no such burden.
 
2013-01-31 10:47:08 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: I gotta say, that's actually pretty funny (and I'm a dude). Seeing men get butthurt about this is a lot like listening to white people complain about how "honkey" is OK, but the dreaded n-bomb isn't, unless you're black. Or rich people griping about some lucky ducky poor person not having to pay taxes. Protip: If you're the one holding most of the power, you don't actually get to complain about being the butt of the joke. But by all means, go right ahead and act like an enormous pussy and cry about some video game. It totally doesn't make you look like a sandy-vaged pussy.


Having been on the receiving end of a psychotic abusive girlfriend, all I can say go fark yourself with a rusty Garden Weasel.

When she throws things at you, and then threatens to call the cops and lie her ass off if you try and defend yourself, there's no joke involved.
 
2013-01-31 10:47:53 AM  

onyxruby: In the state I live in there isn't a single domestic abuse shelter that allows men to stay.


Y'all should do something about changing that. My State's shelters are for anyone who has been abused or raped and needs to get out. Men, women, children... anyone.

While I was there about a quarter of them were male.
 
2013-01-31 10:48:11 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: abhorrent1: I need to come up with an idea for a Rape app. That would be okay, right?

No. You see, Apple has a way of shutting that whole thing down.


That, however, is funny.

/Consistency, I haz none
 
2013-01-31 10:50:19 AM  

Theaetetus: the_vegetarian_cannibal: As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers

Senator, that wasn't true in 2001, and certainly isn't true now. Perhaps you should get one of your under-30 interns to talk to you about video games that have been released in the past decade before you rant about new legislation.


Egoy3k: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Uh, reality check: do you guys even PAY ATTENTION to pop culture around you? As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers

No it doesn't. It never has and probably never will glorify killing hookers. This is either a falshood that nobody has explained to you yet or an outright lie.


Way to miss the point, you two. You did read the other part of my post where I state that I have played GTA before myself and where I made fun of Wayne LaPierre for his suggestions, right? I'm not defending that position, just using it as an example. Also, I guess "glorify" was the wrong word to use but you can't deny the fact that in GTA, the activity of mistreating prostitutes exists in the game and that it is played for entertainment value, not as a church moral lesson about how it is horrible and will send you straight to hell. That was the point. That there are mainstream games that nonchalantly depict females as objects to be abused but are still (mostly) tolerated by society.

Looks like I shouldn't have used video games as an example. That's the one sacred cow that Farkers will reflexively be over-defensive about even more than iPhone apps about male-bashing.
 
2013-01-31 10:58:46 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Way to miss the point, you two. You did read the other part of my post where I state that I have played GTA before myself and where I made fun of Wayne LaPierre for his suggestions, right? I'm not defending that position, just using it as an example. Also, I guess "glorify" was the wrong word to use but you can't deny the fact that in GTA, the activity of mistreating prostitutes exists in the game and that it is played for entertainment value, not as a church moral lesson about how it is horrible and will send you straight to hell. That was the point. That there are mainstream games that nonchalantly depict females as objects to be abused but are still (mostly) tolerated by society.


I read your whole post but you are still wrong. Mistreating prostitutes does not 'exist' in the game any more than it does in real life. You can pay for their 'services' or not as you like. The game never actually gives any indications that this is even possible let alone encouraged and it's a pretty obscure part of the game as it is. Once the transaction is complete the hooker walks away. If you decide to kill her she drops some money just like any other random person on the street will drop some money when you kill them.

Killing hookers has never been a mechanic in GTA just like flying into the World Trade Center isn't a mechanic in a flight sim.
 
2013-01-31 11:00:35 AM  

ciberido: Cheering on women who abuse or rape me isn't empowering, whether it's real abuse or a fictional portrayal of such in a video game.



I meant to say, "Cheering on women who abuse or rape MEN isn't empowering," of course.  Though I hope you won't cheer on anyone who rapes or abuses me, either.
 
2013-01-31 11:01:39 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Theaetetus: the_vegetarian_cannibal: As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers

Senator, that wasn't true in 2001, and certainly isn't true now. Perhaps you should get one of your under-30 interns to talk to you about video games that have been released in the past decade before you rant about new legislation.

Egoy3k: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Uh, reality check: do you guys even PAY ATTENTION to pop culture around you? As has been mentioned already, GTA (amongst other video games) regularly glorifies killing hookers

No it doesn't. It never has and probably never will glorify killing hookers. This is either a falshood that nobody has explained to you yet or an outright lie.

Way to miss the point, you two. You did read the other part of my post where I state that I have played GTA before myself and where I made fun of Wayne LaPierre for his suggestions, right? I'm not defending that position, just using it as an example. Also, I guess "glorify" was the wrong word to use but you can't deny the fact that in GTA, the activity of mistreating prostitutes exists in the game and that it is played for entertainment value, not as a church moral lesson about how it is horrible and will send you straight to hell. That was the point. That there are mainstream games that nonchalantly depict females as objects to be abused but are still (mostly) tolerated by society.

Looks like I shouldn't have used video games as an example. That's the one sacred cow that Farkers will reflexively be over-defensive about even more than iPhone apps about male-bashing.


If you're trying to say the game makes all women to be skanky prostitutes, then it's also saying all men are violent thugs. And there's plenty of regular looking men and women you can kill and beat up just as easily.
 
2013-01-31 11:03:00 AM  

Vegetative reproduction: Have you ever wrestled a girlfriend?


Yes and she won a few times with and without cheating.

Vegetative reproduction: Have you ever been hit by a woman?


Yes and in certain places, it will make a man cry. Ever get nailed in the balls? It will leave you on the floor for a few minutes and hurt for a while after that.
 
2013-01-31 11:04:55 AM  
meh...

My ex was very abusive and I stayed for the kids that she tricked me into having, to have me stay.  (long story that I've already wrote down in previous threads).

Anything that you guys can think of, she probably did it, and when I left, she tried every trick to cause me trouble.

Even with witnesses to her punching me in the face, the cop told me that if I pressed charges, she'd get a warning BUT if she claimed that I hit her (even in defense, and regardless of how many witnesses), the law was that they'd have to arrest me.

She kept pulling crap until the cops, the lawyers, the judges, the children services got tired of the crap, and I ended with full custody and she hasn't seen the kids in about 10 years (or more...)

This is a quick version as I have so many stories that I could tell, which most I've done in previous threads...

The one thing that's a fact, a man has no resources, no assistance, is always the bad guy coontil proven innocent)...

Can girls/women get away with it... hell yes... even if my ex ended up diagnosed as paranoid-schizophrenic, a man that would have done even less than 1/2 the stuff she did would have been in jail for a few years.
 
2013-01-31 11:05:27 AM  

Egoy3k: I don't need one. I'm not asserting that they are. The professor in the story was either being dishonest or had a personal history of having issues with females and heavy machinery. Talk to him not me.


So you and  MsIndy are the same person?   MsIndy is one of your alts?  Because nothing you say makes any damn sense otherwise.
 
2013-01-31 11:05:48 AM  

FarkLordOfTheSith: Gyrfalcon: Abuse is abuse. It shouldn't be funny.

True. Unless you're abusing clowns.


Isn't punching the clown a euphemism for masturbation, like beating meat puppet?
 
2013-01-31 11:06:59 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Way to miss the point, you two.


Way to be overly defensive about a tongue-in-cheek response pointing out an error.

... you can't deny the fact that in GTA, the activity of mistreating prostitutes exists in the game and that it is played for entertainment value, not as a church moral lesson about how it is horrible and will send you straight to hell. That was the point.

But, the activity of mistreating prostitutes itself is not presented for entertainment value. It exists within a game presented for entertainment value, but that doesn't mean that every action within it is somehow glorified. You can eat fast food, listen to the radio, reload a gun, or drown. Are those glorified, merely because they exist within the game? Context matters.

Looks like I shouldn't have used video games as an example. That's the one sacred cow that Farkers will reflexively be over-defensive about even more than iPhone apps about male-bashing.

Or, it could be because you're making an asinine out-of-context argument based on a falsehood, and you could make the same exact argument without jumping on a bandwagon of misinformation. For example, consider the Battle Raper game. Or Lara Croft's ever-expanding breasts with each new version, or the rape attempt scene in the latest incarnation. Or the fact that the same item of armor is presented different on male and female toons in WoW or other MMORPGs. Or this:
www.vgcats.com
 
2013-01-31 11:07:58 AM  

L.D. Ablo: My ex-fiancee would get ragingly drunk.  One time she got into a fistfight with the neighbor, smashed a window and got arrested.  On the Night of the Flying Plates, she started throwing them at my head.  Fortunately, she was too drunk to have good aim.

Nice to see an app that encourages this sort of thing.

/happily single today
//lives with cats


Went gay?
 
2013-01-31 11:14:20 AM  

imfallen_angel: The one thing that's a fact, a man has no resources, no assistance, is always the bad guy coontil proven innocent)...


Yeah, I had that used against me as a threat.

Fortunately, everyone I talked to took me seriously, to the point of them explaining to me what my situation actually was.  I got out of it fairly quickly, with only some dented walls, a couple of scrapes and a depleted bank account.

/feel your pain too, bro
 
2013-01-31 11:14:21 AM  
So, when is this coming back as an app (NSFW, though Wikipedia)?
 
2013-01-31 11:18:11 AM  

ciberido: Egoy3k: I don't need one. I'm not asserting that they are. The professor in the story was either being dishonest or had a personal history of having issues with females and heavy machinery. Talk to him not me.

So you and  MsIndy are the same person?   MsIndy is one of your alts?  Because nothing you say makes any damn sense otherwise.


I never claimed that women were bad at operating heavy machinery. The professor that denied her a job using heavy machinery based on her sex claimed that previous females in the position had done a poor job and that he prefers to have men in those roles.

She then claimed that if you replace woman with black or Turkish that the professor would have been appalled to hold such a position.

My response was that he wouldn't if every black or Turkish person he hired had done a bad job too.

I know reading is hard but Jesus that is not exactly a hard series of posts to understand.
 
2013-01-31 11:27:26 AM  

Theaetetus: ciberido: VonEvilstein: Nemo's Brother: jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.

This is how of liberals actually think v

As a liberal, I actually think you are full of shiat.

This is like the 5th thread where  Nemo's Brother has played the "This is what liberals actually believe " card, and he's been more full of crap each thread.  At this rate, in about 3 more threads he'll be claiming that liberals killed off the dinosaurs.

Well, you don't see any dinosaurs in those liberal bastions of Massachusetts, New York, or California, do you?


Yet I was commenting on a liberal voicing that opinion early on in the thread.  You guys have obviously never stepped foot in a university.
 
2013-01-31 11:29:41 AM  

Egoy3k: No it doesn't. It never has and probably never will glorify killing hookers. This is either a falshood that nobody has explained to you yet or an outright lie.


You really shouldnt white knight a game named after a crime.
 
2013-01-31 11:34:21 AM  
/weirdest girl-boner...
 
2013-01-31 11:37:47 AM  

Egoy3k: I read your whole post but you are still wrong. Mistreating prostitutes does not 'exist' in the game any more than it does in real life. You can pay for their 'services' or not as you like. The game never actually gives any indications that this is even possible let alone encouraged and it's a pretty obscure part of the game as it is. Once the transaction is complete the hooker walks away. If you decide to kill her she drops some money just like any other random person on the street will drop some money when you kill them.

Killing hookers has never been a mechanic in GTA just like flying into the World Trade Center isn't a mechanic in a flight sim.


GTA isn't a game about objectives. It's about potential. The first one was top down. That means you don't have to go right, you can go any direction. It's called been called "open world" or "sandbox." It pioneered the farking genre. And this was the first thing a friend of mine showed me when demonstrating the game. I don't care if you're penalized - you can do it. You can straight-up murder prostitutes in assassins creed.

If the only difference between GTA's murder sprees and this game's domestic violence is that one is an objective, your position is flimsy.

Either way, both are JUST GAMES. FFS.  If slapping your boyfriend in this game influences real life, I can't wait until they release a game where you shoot at people.
 
2013-01-31 11:39:02 AM  

Moonfisher: There are plenty of men being abused by women as well as both genders being abused in same sex relationships. You don't hear about the men because they seldom come forward. Law enforcement usually doesn't take them seriously and their peers ridicule them and question their masculinity. It's silly to get your panties wadded over an app, but we as a society need to address all abuse and take measures to end the double standard.


Now an x, wife hit me when I was asleep.  Left a bump on my eye socket for over a week. Other violent things she did including attacking me with a large knife. Lawyer told me NOT to report it as it would not be helpful to me in court. One thing he said was that I was/am in good shape and at the same height had  40 pounds on her.  No one would take it seriously because she can't win in a fight.  Crazy B married her lawyer, who is about our parent's age.  justice - LOL

She has  dissociative personality disorder and other issues, her Dad's a preacher. Crazy came on after child birth.
 
2013-01-31 11:41:21 AM  

WhippingBoy: That's exactly what I'd expect a patriarchal oppressor to say. A vain attempt to remain in power, under the guise of "personal responsibility".


Man, do you really think feminists think this way? Damn,y ou're just as bad as the folks that were ragging on you in that other thread a few weeks back. So much for claiming you wanted to try and understand stuff and actually have a discussion. =/.
 
2013-01-31 11:46:29 AM  

Felgraf: WhippingBoy: That's exactly what I'd expect a patriarchal oppressor to say. A vain attempt to remain in power, under the guise of "personal responsibility".

Man, do you really think feminists think this way? Damn,y ou're just as bad as the folks that were ragging on you in that other thread a few weeks back. So much for claiming you wanted to try and understand stuff and actually have a discussion. =/.


I wouldn't bother with him. He basically admitted he just does this to troll in another thread.
 
2013-01-31 11:49:47 AM  
Honestly, I really think that abuse towards males is a serious and real issue that should be discussed with the same maturity that the abuse towards women is.

I also think that the app brings an interesting opportunity to discuss the subject.

But being offended? No... this is not really worth it.

There are plenty of real gender problems (on both sides) that are worth being offended, but this is not one of those.

/Didn't gave a damn about the violence on GTA either...
//Pixels don't have rights.
 
2013-01-31 11:51:44 AM  

DarkPascual: Pixels don't have rights.


slacktory.com
 
2013-01-31 11:55:46 AM  

Theaetetus: DarkPascual: Pixels don't have rights.

[slacktory.com image 600x200]


FINE!!! Pixels do have rights depending the level of cuteness...
 
2013-01-31 11:57:43 AM  

Felgraf: WhippingBoy: That's exactly what I'd expect a patriarchal oppressor to say. A vain attempt to remain in power, under the guise of "personal responsibility".

Man, do you really think feminists think this way? Damn,y ou're just as bad as the folks that were ragging on you in that other thread a few weeks back. So much for claiming you wanted to try and understand stuff and actually have a discussion. =/.


It's like some people are blind to the vile bigotry some people love flying under the guise of 'feminism'.

Was I the only person who read Julie Burchill's recent article in The Guardian, or did that not happen?
 
2013-01-31 12:02:43 PM  

moothemagiccow: Egoy3k: No it doesn't. It never has and probably never will glorify killing hookers. This is either a falshood that nobody has explained to you yet or an outright lie.

You really shouldnt white knight a game named after a crime.


It's not white knighting it's a statement of fact. The game does not glorify killing hookers. It's untrue to say that it does. Once again, GTA glorifiys killing hookers just like a pre-2001 flight sim glorifies flying planes into the world trade center. In other words it doesn't. I'm not the one fixating on GTA here. I responded to the OPs whole post, you are the ones who have focused on the game, not me.
 
2013-01-31 12:11:14 PM  

Theaetetus: I wouldn't bother with him. He basically admitted he just does this to troll in another thread.


I'm just frustrated because I (pseudo) defended him in a thread a few months back, more because I believed he was just being ineloquent (And was able to, it seems, help at least a few people understand where some of the frustration comes from in feminism threads from the male perspective. That is, why some people jump into such threads venting frustrations that they're ignored or treated unfairly, since the topics don't occur in a vacuum. And one can make the case that issues for men can be *perceived* as being dismissed outright, rather than simply being treated as lower priority, and that is where some frustration can build from, etc etc...).

And I'm pissed that I wasted good will on trying to help someone who was just farking around and being a dick. I suppose the fact that such pseudo-defense lead to a (small bit) of useful conversation should temper that frustration, though...

Quinsisdos: It's like some people are blind to the vile bigotry some people love flying under the guise of 'feminism'.


Perhaps I should rephrase it as "all feminine." Yeah, there are some horrible people and misandrists in the movement, from what I understand. There's horrible folks everywhere.

Also, in a previous thread, he had simply claimed to seek understanding discussion (and was not falling on the 'rabid misandrist' area of the spectrum), sooooo... yeah, he's being a dick here.
 
2013-01-31 12:13:23 PM  

Egoy3k: moothemagiccow: Egoy3k: No it doesn't. It never has and probably never will glorify killing hookers. This is either a falshood that nobody has explained to you yet or an outright lie.

You really shouldnt white knight a game named after a crime.

It's not white knighting it's a statement of fact. The game does not glorify killing hookers. It's untrue to say that it does. Once again, GTA glorifiys killing hookers just like a pre-2001 flight sim glorifies flying planes into the world trade center. In other words it doesn't. I'm not the one fixating on GTA here. I responded to the OPs whole post, you are the ones who have focused on the game, not me.


I'm a big fan of GTA and I don't think it's fair to say that the game doesn't glorify killing hookers. It glorifies killing pretty much anyone, including hookers.
 
2013-01-31 12:21:36 PM  

Treygreen13: Egoy3k: moothemagiccow: Egoy3k: No it doesn't. It never has and probably never will glorify killing hookers. This is either a falshood that nobody has explained to you yet or an outright lie.

You really shouldnt white knight a game named after a crime.

It's not white knighting it's a statement of fact. The game does not glorify killing hookers. It's untrue to say that it does. Once again, GTA glorifiys killing hookers just like a pre-2001 flight sim glorifies flying planes into the world trade center. In other words it doesn't. I'm not the one fixating on GTA here. I responded to the OPs whole post, you are the ones who have focused on the game, not me.

I'm a big fan of GTA and I don't think it's fair to say that the game doesn't glorify killing hookers. It glorifies killing pretty much anyone, including hookers.


That's fair to say, but the implication of that logic is that if they were to make hookers invulnerable in GTV V that it would be sexist.
 
2013-01-31 12:22:17 PM  

Felgraf: Theaetetus: I wouldn't bother with him. He basically admitted he just does this to troll in another thread.

I'm just frustrated because I (pseudo) defended him in a thread a few months back, more because I believed he was just being ineloquent (And was able to, it seems, help at least a few people understand where some of the frustration comes from in feminism threads from the male perspective. That is, why some people jump into such threads venting frustrations that they're ignored or treated unfairly, since the topics don't occur in a vacuum. And one can make the case that issues for men can be *perceived* as being dismissed outright, rather than simply being treated as lower priority, and that is where some frustration can build from, etc etc...).


Sure. I think it's a shame that that frustration leads to misogyny, because men's rights activists and feminists could be natural allies, if there wasn't so much name calling and rage flying around. The cure for many of the MRA complaints - family courts that assume that women are primary caretakers and/or can't be self-sufficient, maternity leave that's not reflected in paternity leave, etc. - are the non-discriminatory wage and employment policies advocated by feminists. If it wasn't the default that women earn less, then the economic decision for which parent stays at home would be fairer and there would be more stay at home dads, which would reverse the family court assumption.
Same is true for many other complaints, too - who is less likely to be a gold-digging lazy biatch than a career-driven feminist? Who is less likely to sabotage birth control or try to trap a man into marriage?
 
2013-01-31 12:24:24 PM  
That is just creepy as shiat.
 
2013-01-31 12:27:55 PM  

yves0010: Vegetative reproduction: Have you ever wrestled a girlfriend?

Yes and she won a few times with and without cheating.

Vegetative reproduction: Have you ever been hit by a woman?

Yes and in certain places, it will make a man cry. Ever get nailed in the balls? It will leave you on the floor for a few minutes and hurt for a while after that.


Is your girlfriend almost the same weight a you?  I have wrestled many different sized people (male and female) in college judo.  Although smaller, more experienced people could submit me when I first started, after a couple of months, I had no problem dominating people >20lbs lighter than me.  Likewise, when wrestling the really huge 240+lb guys, I was never been able to submit them.  Since men are generally taller, weigh more, and have  higher testosterone than women, most women are no match for most men physically.

I have been kicked, kneed, and elbowed in the nuts.  It hurts, but unless you get hit just right, it can be shrugged off.  Testicles are surprisingly resilient.  The elasticity of your sac usually prevents significant testicular injury.
 
2013-01-31 12:28:01 PM  

namatad: L.D. Ablo: On the Night of the Flying Plates

ooooooooooooooooooooo
you made me cry I laughed so hard

been there done that
my crazy mom was awesome at flying plate night


My mother also was quite the champion of Plate Frisbee. It's all in the wrist.
(always towards our dad's poor head, never me or the brother's)
 This app is pretty degrading, and it makes us non-crazy women look bad. I'm wondering who designed it? A man? Doubtful. Scorned woman? Most likely.
 
2013-01-31 12:30:09 PM  

Theaetetus: The cure for many of the MRA complaints - family courts that assume that women are primary caretakers and/or can't be self-sufficient, maternity leave that's not reflected in paternity leave, etc


I don't think that's quite so simple (the cultural believe isn't going to morph overnight), but it would be a step in the right direction, I agree. I was simply helping explain that some of the (percieved) anti-feminist backlash came from, to an extent, miscommunucation. You can even see some of it coming from (Some of) the pro-feminist posts in this thread: Not arguing (as you did) that yes, it is a problem, and pushing hard for equality will fix it*for everyone*, but arguing that it's not an issue or dudes should just leave or really, what are they complaining about? Which in turn can give those who have experienced such abuse (or know people who have), an almost *reflexive* dislike of the speaker's goals, since,w ell, they're belittling a harrow, traumatic, and quite frankly farked up scenario they had to live through.

So I think we're in agreement here.


Theaetetus: Who is less likely to sabotage birth control or try to trap a man into marriage?


I would argue this has more to do with crazy and less to do with feminism.
 
2013-01-31 12:32:40 PM  

boinkingbill: Women initiate half of all domestic violence unfortunately, most juristictions in the US don't take women beating men as serious as men beating women.  The best way to handle domestic violence is to arrest both of them and bring them in front of a judge to find out what their problem is.  No one is innocent in a domestic violence incident.


I beg to differ. I'd like to know where you get your statistics. Most men beat women because they can.
Unless by initiate you mean "folded the laundry wrong."  I mean I could be wrong, but I only speak from experience.

A spouse beater is a spouse beater be it man or woman. I'll agree there is a double standard when it comes to the legal system of course.
 
2013-01-31 12:33:30 PM  

Theaetetus: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Way to miss the point, you two.

Way to be overly defensive about a tongue-in-cheek response pointing out an error.

... you can't deny the fact that in GTA, the activity of mistreating prostitutes exists in the game and that it is played for entertainment value, not as a church moral lesson about how it is horrible and will send you straight to hell. That was the point.

But, the activity of mistreating prostitutes itself is not presented for entertainment value. It exists within a game presented for entertainment value, but that doesn't mean that every action within it is somehow glorified. You can eat fast food, listen to the radio, reload a gun, or drown. Are those glorified, merely because they exist within the game? Context matters.

Looks like I shouldn't have used video games as an example. That's the one sacred cow that Farkers will reflexively be over-defensive about even more than iPhone apps about male-bashing.

Or, it could be because you're making an asinine out-of-context argument based on a falsehood, and you could make the same exact argument without jumping on a bandwagon of misinformation. For example, consider the Battle Raper game. Or Lara Croft's ever-expanding breasts with each new version, or the rape attempt scene in the latest incarnation. Or the fact that the same item of armor is presented different on male and female toons in WoW or other MMORPGs. Or this:
[www.vgcats.com image 692x525]


Actually her breast size fluctuated and is currently on the decrease. Here's an old writeup about how some people are reacting. I think it's fascinating how games are changing to attract the steadily growing female market.
 
2013-01-31 12:34:18 PM  

Vegetative reproduction: yves0010: Vegetative reproduction: Have you ever wrestled a girlfriend?

Yes and she won a few times with and without cheating.

Vegetative reproduction: Have you ever been hit by a woman?

Yes and in certain places, it will make a man cry. Ever get nailed in the balls? It will leave you on the floor for a few minutes and hurt for a while after that.

Is your girlfriend almost the same weight a you?  I have wrestled many different sized people (male and female) in college judo.  Although smaller, more experienced people could submit me when I first started, after a couple of months, I had no problem dominating people >20lbs lighter than me.  Likewise, when wrestling the really huge 240+lb guys, I was never been able to submit them.  Since men are generally taller, weigh more, and have  higher testosterone than women, most women are no match for most men physically.

I have been kicked, kneed, and elbowed in the nuts.  It hurts, but unless you get hit just right, it can be shrugged off.  Testicles are surprisingly resilient.  The elasticity of your sac usually prevents significant testicular injury.


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2013-01-31 12:35:57 PM  
My view of this app is that I have the right to strongly disapprove, and that's about it.

Everyone will feel strongly against some form of expression. Now if the app is specifically ADVOCATING criminal abuse, then I think we all have not only the right but the duty to request its removal.

But in this specific case, anyone who claims that the app influences their decision to abuse a boyfriend, they were gonna do it regardless of the app, and so are full of crap.
 
2013-01-31 12:39:34 PM  

MikeBoomshadow: My view of this app is that I have the right to strongly disapprove, and that's about it.

Everyone will feel strongly against some form of expression. Now if the app is specifically ADVOCATING criminal abuse, then I think we all have not only the right but the duty to request its removal.

But in this specific case, anyone who claims that the app influences their decision to abuse a boyfriend, they were gonna do it regardless of the app, and so are full of crap.


I think most people are saying "It is farked up that there is an app that makes light of such a thing. A similar app targeting women would never have been approved."
 
2013-01-31 12:48:31 PM  

GriffXX: Actually her breast size fluctuated and is currently on the decrease. Here's an old writeup about how some people are reacting. I think it's fascinating how games are changing to attract the steadily growing female market.


Fair enough. How about Ivy's shrinking costume and expanding bust?
thesocietypages.org
 
2013-01-31 12:49:02 PM  

Vegetative reproduction: yves0010: Vegetative reproduction: Have you ever wrestled a girlfriend?

Yes and she won a few times with and without cheating.

Vegetative reproduction: Have you ever been hit by a woman?

Yes and in certain places, it will make a man cry. Ever get nailed in the balls? It will leave you on the floor for a few minutes and hurt for a while after that.

Is your girlfriend almost the same weight a you?  I have wrestled many different sized people (male and female) in college judo.  Although smaller, more experienced people could submit me when I first started, after a couple of months, I had no problem dominating people >20lbs lighter than me.  Likewise, when wrestling the really huge 240+lb guys, I was never been able to submit them.  Since men are generally taller, weigh more, and have  higher testosterone than women, most women are no match for most men physically.

I have been kicked, kneed, and elbowed in the nuts.  It hurts, but unless you get hit just right, it can be shrugged off.  Testicles are surprisingly resilient.  The elasticity of your sac usually prevents significant testicular injury.


Usually when she wins, she gets the jump on me and I am pretty much am on the defensive. But at the same time, not trying to hurt her as she does to me. Then again, she cheats a lot more times then any and hits me in certain places. Or just use her female side and get an auto win (if you know what I mean).

And same here and yes, I shrugged most off but she can hit me perfect and KO me for a few minutes and give me a long lasting pain too.
 
2013-01-31 12:49:48 PM  

I sound fat: g4lt: I sound fat: g4lt: super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.

Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.

I'm going to try to say this without saying you're a damn fool, it won't work.  I meant what I said about civilization failing, civilization is the distinct part of humanity that makes it so that we can determine if someone is suffering harm and alleviate it.  This is the part that is failing.  Blaming the victim DOESN'T WORK, get that through your pointy little head.  If someone is committing criminal acts, they shouldn't be the one to stay put while their victim has to quit the field, that is UNCIVILIZED, get it yet?

Listen, im going to try and say... screw it, no im not.  learn to read jackhat...

Im not blaming the victim, im telling the "victim" to remove himself from the situation.  If you cant see that is the rational thing to do, there is ZERO hope for you, fair or not.


It's a matter of verb tense that some people just can't seem to grasp.

Blame:  "If you had  left after the first beating, it wouldn't have  happened again."

Help:  "Leave before it happens again."

Blame's focus is on the past.  Help's focus is on the present and future.
 
2013-01-31 12:53:04 PM  

fireclown: LordJiro: Yep, only Men are the abusers! A woman is too weak to really threaten a man.

Crazy biatch once tried to brain me with a claw hammer.  I'm annoyed by the disparity in how domestic violence against men is treated.

/yes, yes, CSB, I know.


Did it work?
 
2013-01-31 01:03:09 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Theaetetus: ciberido: VonEvilstein: Nemo's Brother: jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.

This is how of liberals actually think v

As a liberal, I actually think you are full of shiat.

This is like the 5th thread where  Nemo's Brother has played the "This is what liberals actually believe " card, and he's been more full of crap each thread.  At this rate, in about 3 more threads he'll be claiming that liberals killed off the dinosaurs.

Well, you don't see any dinosaurs in those liberal bastions of Massachusetts, New York, or California, do you?

Yet I was commenting on a liberal voicing that opinion early on in the thread.  You guys have obviously never stepped foot in a university.


We're dealing with a talented troll here folks 9/10
 
2013-01-31 01:06:30 PM  

RobSeace: g4lt: It's only rational when there's no civilization to remove the abuser from the situation. That is the entire point of a law enforcement apparatus, to get the person doing the unethical harm out of the situation and let the victim get on with their life.

Yes, but that requires cooperation from the victim, in actually calling the cops, and then going through with pressing charges and testifying and all that... Many times, for whatever reason, they choose not to cooperate... In the case of guys hit by women, I think many of them don't want to admit to being abused for fear of being labeled weakling pussies... In the case of women hit by men, I think it's more often that they have a sort of Stockholm syndrome and blame themselves for the abuse rather than the abuser... But, in any case, if the victim won't cooperate with law enforcement, I'm not sure how you expect "civilization" to just swoop in and magically save the day (all while probably being cursed by the victim for their interference)...


The same way civilization steps into a case of homicide even though the victim won't cooperate.
 
2013-01-31 01:07:23 PM  

Felgraf: MikeBoomshadow: My view of this app is that I have the right to strongly disapprove, and that's about it.

Everyone will feel strongly against some form of expression. Now if the app is specifically ADVOCATING criminal abuse, then I think we all have not only the right but the duty to request its removal.

But in this specific case, anyone who claims that the app influences their decision to abuse a boyfriend, they were gonna do it regardless of the app, and so are full of crap.

I think most people are saying "It is farked up that there is an app that makes light of such a thing. A similar app targeting women would never have been approved."


And they're right, of course. The idea itself is farked up. But while right or wrong, the double standard does exist, I don't see the game expressing actual approval of that standard.

I would like to find a way to do an entertaining, funny game that actually does argue against abuse. Or other things we as a people should reasonably find abhorrent.

Until then, we get shiat like this. But since it doesn't seem to specifically advocate committing abuse (I could be wrong; I haven't played it), I would argue that censoring it would be a cure worse than the illness.

After all, abuse will never go away if all we do is talk about it, but I we don't do that, it's only gonna get worse.
 
2013-01-31 01:09:51 PM  
This app represents more double-standards from the feminist-dominated media/culture. It's amazing how humans are incapable of reacting to a perceived double standard by simply removing that double-standard. Tthey must always somehow swing the pendulum too far. Feminists had specific complaints, many of which were quite valid, all of which were thoroughly dealt with 20 years ago. Since then they've just decided to become a hate group to justify their existence.

If you don't believe me...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto
 
2013-01-31 01:09:58 PM  
ITT Misogynists, apologists and the ignorant.
 
2013-01-31 01:17:00 PM  

TheOriginalEd: ITT Misogynists, apologists and the ignorant.


Which are you?
 
2013-01-31 01:20:41 PM  

Big Man On Campus: This app represents more double-standards from the feminist-dominated media/culture. It's amazing how humans are incapable of reacting to a perceived double standard by simply removing that double-standard. Tthey must always somehow swing the pendulum too far. Feminists had specific complaints, many of which were quite valid, all of which were thoroughly dealt with 20 years ago. Since then they've just decided to become a hate group to justify their existence.

If you don't believe me...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto


This post represents more double-standards from the adult-dominated media/culture. It's amazing how humans are incapable of reacting to a perceived double standard by simply removing that double-standard. Tthey must always somehow swing the pendulum too far. Adults had specific complaints, many of which were quite valid, all of which were thoroughly dealt with 20 years ago. Since then they've just decided to become a hate group to justify their existence.

If you don't believe me...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
 
2013-01-31 01:22:22 PM  

Felgraf: Theaetetus: I wouldn't bother with him. He basically admitted he just does this to troll in another thread.

I'm just frustrated because I (pseudo) defended him in a thread a few months back, more because I believed he was just being ineloquent (And was able to, it seems, help at least a few people understand where some of the frustration comes from in feminism threads from the male perspective. That is, why some people jump into such threads venting frustrations that they're ignored or treated unfairly, since the topics don't occur in a vacuum. And one can make the case that issues for men can be *perceived* as being dismissed outright, rather than simply being treated as lower priority, and that is where some frustration can build from, etc etc...).

And I'm pissed that I wasted good will on trying to help someone who was just farking around and being a dick. I suppose the fact that such pseudo-defense lead to a (small bit) of useful conversation should temper that frustration, though...

Quinsisdos: It's like some people are blind to the vile bigotry some people love flying under the guise of 'feminism'.

Perhaps I should rephrase it as "all feminine." Yeah, there are some horrible people and misandrists in the movement, from what I understand. There's horrible folks everywhere.

Also, in a previous thread, he had simply claimed to seek understanding discussion (and was not falling on the 'rabid misandrist' area of the spectrum), sooooo... yeah, he's being a dick here.


Felgraf, I sincerely appreciated what you did for me in that other thread; I was, and am, absolutely sincere, and am attempting to accomplish more than just "being a dick". I'm sorry to have disappointed you; I tend to act without much thought sometimes when an idea pops into my head, and sometimes (most times), I'm not nearly as clever as I think I am (that I freely admit).
 
2013-01-31 01:24:44 PM  

Flakeloaf: ajt167: I was under the impression that violent video games don't influence people and lead them to believe violence is okay. What am I missing?

Came here to say this. You can't argue that something is harmless and howl about how it threatens a group that includes you in the same breath.

Violence against men is a real thing that really exists and it is a problem. This problem is in no way related to pretend video game violence against an imaginary man any more than a "beat your wife" game creates or enhances actual violence against women. That said, subby is absolutely right that a Chris Brown simulator would bring out the torch and pitchfork brigade before it was even done compiling.


Video games may not cause violence IRL.  But an obsession with violent games is indicative of a taste for violence.  If  you agree, then violent video games  should NOT be restricted; they're a useful diagnostic and forensic tool.

Sex offenders should not be banned from social media, by the same logic.  Facebook makes them easier to monitor.  Given people's propensity to post shiat without consulting their inner censors, it may make treatment more effective.
 
2013-01-31 01:28:53 PM  

Theaetetus: Felgraf: WhippingBoy: That's exactly what I'd expect a patriarchal oppressor to say. A vain attempt to remain in power, under the guise of "personal responsibility".

Man, do you really think feminists think this way? Damn,y ou're just as bad as the folks that were ragging on you in that other thread a few weeks back. So much for claiming you wanted to try and understand stuff and actually have a discussion. =/.

I wouldn't bother with him. He basically admitted he just does this to troll in another thread.


I admitted to no such thing. Regardless of your opinion of me, my intent in these types of threads is most definitely not to troll. I may be a misguided, bumbling, buffoon, but my intent is sincere.
 
2013-01-31 01:35:41 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Video games may not cause violence IRL.  But an obsession with violent games is indicative of a taste for violence.  If  you agree, then violent video games  should NOT be restricted; they're a useful diagnostic and forensic tool.


So, you're suggesting that we need some sort of registry of violent video game players? Maybe with some sort of system for notifying authorities of usage?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-31 01:38:42 PM  

onyxruby: In the state I live in there isn't a single domestic abuse shelter that allows men to stay. Their is a system wide state of denial that domestic abuse against men exists in this country.


True.  Sounds like a great business opportunity.  "Non-profit" business, of course. ;-)  The statistics and discrimination laws virtually compel government funding.  Even if tax dollars and donations are not forthcoming, you could always sell insurance to men who dig crazy.

"The American Male Card:  don't go home without it." :-)
 
2013-01-31 01:57:14 PM  

MikeBoomshadow: Crazy biatch once tried to brain me with a claw hammer. I'm annoyed by the disparity in how domestic violence against men is treated.

/yes, yes, CSB, I know.

Did it work?


No.  I fled like crazy.  In the very short time that I had to figure out a plan, I couldn't think of anything else to do that wouldn't risk my going to jail.  The whole thing was probably the weirdest 10 minutes of my life.
 
2013-01-31 02:00:33 PM  

Egoy3k: Treygreen13: I'm a big fan of GTA and I don't think it's fair to say that the game doesn't glorify killing hookers. It glorifies killing pretty much anyone, including hookers.

That's fair to say, but the implication of that logic is that if they were to make hookers invulnerable in GTV V that it would be sexist.


They should really just arm them all: you try to shoot or run-over a hooker, she whips out one of the more powerful guns and fills your ass full of lead! You still might be able to take one out, but at least it would be a more fair fight... And, if you try to kill a few of them, they should make all the others refuse to do business with you after that, and in fact will start to shoot at you on sight, just like some of the rival gang members do when you piss them off...
 
2013-01-31 02:03:13 PM  

RobSeace: Egoy3k: Treygreen13: I'm a big fan of GTA and I don't think it's fair to say that the game doesn't glorify killing hookers. It glorifies killing pretty much anyone, including hookers.

That's fair to say, but the implication of that logic is that if they were to make hookers invulnerable in GTV V that it would be sexist.

They should really just arm them all: you try to shoot or run-over a hooker, she whips out one of the more powerful guns and fills your ass full of lead! You still might be able to take one out, but at least it would be a more fair fight... And, if you try to kill a few of them, they should make all the others refuse to do business with you after that, and in fact will start to shoot at you on sight, just like some of the rival gang members do when you piss them off...


They could call it the "Aileen Wuornos hack"
 
2013-01-31 02:03:27 PM  

Theaetetus: GriffXX: Actually her breast size fluctuated and is currently on the decrease. Here's an old writeup about how some people are reacting. I think it's fascinating how games are changing to attract the steadily growing female market.

Fair enough. How about Ivy's shrinking costume and expanding bust?
[thesocietypages.org image 494x683]


Suddenly, cleavage reboot.
www.toptiertactics.com
/hot
 
2013-01-31 02:04:01 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Perhaps the reason why you think there is a double standard where only female-on-male violence is tolerated in pop culture is because things like this app are pretty rare while the above mentioned things are so omnipresent in our culture that you barely even notice it anymore and just accept it as the default normal. Or perhaps you're just letting let your own personal bias distort your perception.


Or perhaps you're obviously, spectacularly, illogically wrong.

Why would people perceive a double standard if they can't see one of the standards?
 
2013-01-31 02:14:01 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: The same way civilization steps into a case of homicide even though the victim won't cooperate.


I'm pretty sure the victim of a homicide has no choice but to cooperate with the authorities! I've never heard of a corpse refusing to be autopsied or dusted for prints, anyway...
 
2013-01-31 02:18:55 PM  

Theaetetus: BarkingUnicorn: Video games may not cause violence IRL.  But an obsession with violent games is indicative of a taste for violence.  If  you agree, then violent video games  should NOT be restricted; they're a useful diagnostic and forensic tool.

So, you're suggesting that we need some sort of registry of violent video game players? Maybe with some sort of system for notifying authorities of usage?


No, you are.
 
2013-01-31 02:22:53 PM  
Currently in the process of divorcing my wife after an emotionally abusive relationship.  Go ahead and call me a pussy, I've been emasculated for a very long time.

It's kind of telling when most people respond to you saying you're getting a divorce with "Good for you" and "I can't believe you held out so long."
 
2013-01-31 02:29:17 PM  

I sound fat: g4lt: super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.

Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.


Except that a huge part of abusive relationships is brainwashing. It's the same reason women don't leave relationships where men abuse them; the abusive partner, not always intentionally, brainwashes them into believing they deserve it, or it's not that bad. And it definitely doesn't help that society's decided men just cannot POSSIBLY be victimized so they must be faking it.

Abuse victims often can't leave. Sometimes there's a financial or other reason, but sometimes it's just because they're psychologically trapped. It's the same for female-on-male abuse as it is for male-on-female. Trying to be 'tough love' on abuse victims is like trying to make two solid objects occupy the same space and time--it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what you're trying to accomplish.
 
2013-01-31 02:30:24 PM  

RobSeace: BarkingUnicorn: The same way civilization steps into a case of homicide even though the victim won't cooperate.

I'm pretty sure the victim of a homicide has no choice but to cooperate with the authorities! I've never heard of a corpse refusing to be autopsied or dusted for prints, anyway...


Exactly.  You never hear of a homicide victim refusing to press charges, produce evidence or testify, or of a perp getting off for such reasons.
 
2013-01-31 02:33:03 PM  

ko_kyi: onyxruby: I was afraid to walk away after hearing horror story upon horror story about how sexist the family court is and how hard it is for a man to get custody of kids in the real world. The result is that a /lot/ of men stay in abusive relationships because they are afraid of losing their kids to the divorce courts. By staying with her as long as I did I protected the kids from her wraith by and took most of her of her abuse instead of them taking it. As far as I am concerned my manhood is very much still intact.

Exactly this, and it is a common story.


4ts had a long marriage to an ex that had a bad temper.  My attitude was, she could hurl all the verbal abuse and plates she wanted because I was a rock, nothing could hurt me.  And I had a sharp tongue too.  I never complained to people because I didn't want to look weak.  It was getting me down, but I just couldn't admit it.  Yes I wanted to stay to protect the kids from her.  And when I smacked dat a** in the bedroom (her favorite) I felt like the balance was restored.

About halfway through she got arrested after she made a 911 call and I told the cops the truth about what had happened.  She made me pay for that but I stayed.

The last time went down a little different.  Another 911 call by her after a blowup where she was the aggressor, 4ts fled and did not hit.  4ts did not tell the cops what really happened because he was late and needed her to take the kids, so didn't want her hauled away like before.  But he got hauled away instead, as she had lied to the cops.  Fortunately for him he was able to lawyer up and have the charges dismissed without any plea, but like a dumbass he continued to play the chivalrous gent and refused to accuse her, suffering reputational damage as people concluded from his silence that he was the abuser, and eventually getting raped in the divorce.

Not bitter tho'!  OK maybe a little bitter
 
2013-01-31 02:33:37 PM  

WhippingBoy: Felgraf, I sincerely appreciated what you did for me in that other thread; I was, and am, absolutely sincere, and am attempting to accomplish more than just "being a dick". I'm sorry to have disappointed you; I tend to act without much thought sometimes when an idea pops into my head, and sometimes (most times), I'm not nearly as clever as I think I am (that I freely admit).


Okay, fair enough. Sorry if what I said sounded condescending, then. I can understand, I suppose, being snarky like that given the beating you took in the other thread. I also admit it's only my opinion that I think it isn't the best way to go about it, but I suppose I'm also overly charitable at times (And lord knows, I get snarky and sarcastic and post stuff like that sometimes too.)
 
2013-01-31 02:35:05 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: onyxruby: In the state I live in there isn't a single domestic abuse shelter that allows men to stay.

Y'all should do something about changing that. My State's shelters are for anyone who has been abused or raped and needs to get out. Men, women, children... anyone.

While I was there about a quarter of them were male.


On a completely different note, didn't you say (in other threads) that you're Czech and you live in North Carolina?  There's a place in Cary called Klara's Restaurant.

http://www.klarasrestaurant.com/
 
2013-01-31 02:35:35 PM  

Spindle: Currently in the process of divorcing my wife after an emotionally abusive relationship.  Go ahead and call me a pussy, I've been emasculated for a very long time.

It's kind of telling when most people respond to you saying you're getting a divorce with "Good for you" and "I can't believe you held out so long."


Good for you!  That's helpful, I hope.

"I can't believe you held out for so long" might be blame.  If it seems so to you, ignore it. Or it could be help ineptly phrased.
 
2013-01-31 02:40:00 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Flakeloaf: ajt167: I was under the impression that violent video games don't influence people and lead them to believe violence is okay. What am I missing?

Came here to say this. You can't argue that something is harmless and howl about how it threatens a group that includes you in the same breath.

Violence against men is a real thing that really exists and it is a problem. This problem is in no way related to pretend video game violence against an imaginary man any more than a "beat your wife" game creates or enhances actual violence against women. That said, subby is absolutely right that a Chris Brown simulator would bring out the torch and pitchfork brigade before it was even done compiling.

Video games may not cause violence IRL.  But an obsession with violent games is indicative of a taste for violence.  If  you agree, then violent video games  should NOT be restricted; they're a useful diagnostic and forensic tool.

Sex offenders should not be banned from social media, by the same logic.  Facebook makes them easier to monitor.  Given people's propensity to post shiat without consulting their inner censors, it may make treatment more effective.


Obsession with a thing is indicative of a taste for that thing? Hold on I gotta write that down.

How do you define obsession? I've sunk thousands of hours into counterstrike and WoW because I enjoyed those games and I was good at them. To date I have never armed myself or shoulder-checked the ledges above doorways before proceeding into rooms, and I only destroyed about eleven thousand radios and two hostages with my pocketknife but in all fairness to me they were kind of annoying. The difference between video game pixels on a screen and real life is pretty clear to me because I'm a sane, functional human, much like the tens of millions of gamers who've plowed millennia of productivity into video games while somehow managing not to invade, rape, murder or explode anybody. Some of us play a LOT. We aren't obsessed with anything but fun.

Violent video games are a convenient bogeyman for old luddites who don't like what they see on the playbox and must protect their children from what satan is clearly telling them to do with a single scene taken out of context. I'd bet a lot of these people also have a hard time telling their own fantasy from reality (not a shot at religion) and/or distinguishing depictions of a thing in entertainment with an exhortation to do that thing in real life. These are exactly the people whose access to such media should be restricted.

Short version, if you're so suggestible that a video game can encourage or reinforce your tendency to be annoying then you don't belong in society without medication or supervision.
 
2013-01-31 02:44:59 PM  

Egoy3k: ciberido: Egoy3k: I don't need one. I'm not asserting that they are. The professor in the story was either being dishonest or had a personal history of having issues with females and heavy machinery. Talk to him not me.

So you and  MsIndy are the same person?   MsIndy is one of your alts?  Because nothing you say makes any damn sense otherwise.

I never claimed that women were bad at operating heavy machinery. The professor that denied her a job using heavy machinery based on her sex claimed that previous females in the position had done a poor job and that he prefers to have men in those roles.

She then claimed that if you replace woman with black or Turkish that the professor would have been appalled to hold such a position.

My response was that he wouldn't if every black or Turkish person he hired had done a bad job too.

I know reading is hard but Jesus that is not exactly a hard series of posts to understand.


Well, either you suck at communicating a simple point, or I suck at reading comprehension.  And clearly one of us is a defensive ass about it.  So enjoy that sense of superiority.
 
2013-01-31 02:45:43 PM  
dilbert.com
 
2013-01-31 02:49:18 PM  
Hopefully someone will make the rule 63 version to test the waters and get a complete assload of free publicity on the coat-tails of the press and this game.
 
2013-01-31 02:49:25 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: RobSeace: BarkingUnicorn: The same way civilization steps into a case of homicide even though the victim won't cooperate.

I'm pretty sure the victim of a homicide has no choice but to cooperate with the authorities! I've never heard of a corpse refusing to be autopsied or dusted for prints, anyway...

Exactly.  You never hear of a homicide victim refusing to press charges, produce evidence or testify, or of a perp getting off for such reasons.


Pressing charges isn't required... And, the body itself (along with all trace evidence on/in it) serves as evidence...

What exactly are you suggesting? Cops should force people they suspect are being beaten by a spouse/SO to be examined against their will, so they can try to find evidence to charge the suspected abuser with? Just go ahead and trod on the victim's rights for their own good? We can do it with a corpse, because a corpse has no rights... Do you really want to start treating suspected abuse victims like corpses? What happens the first time the cops screw up, and find out the victim really did "fall down the stairs" as she claimed? I'm thinking major lawsuit!
 
2013-01-31 02:53:08 PM  
JohnAnnArbor:

Making me read Dilbert is the real abuse here.
 
2013-01-31 02:55:41 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: It's the Apple way, so shut up and take it.


Apple let in that app because they thought it was metaphorical about how they abuse their customers but yet the customers just come back for more hyper expensive Apple poon-tang. I can just imagine the Director of Engineering wiping a tear away at the beauty of the metaphor.
 
2013-01-31 02:57:38 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: [dilbert.com image 640x194]


Really, quoting Scott "women are like children or the mentally handicapped" Adams in this context?
 
2013-01-31 02:58:33 PM  

Big Man On Campus: This app represents more double-standards from the feminist-dominated media/culture. It's amazing how humans are incapable of reacting to a perceived double standard by simply removing that double-standard. Tthey must always somehow swing the pendulum too far. Feminists had specific complaints, many of which were quite valid, all of which were thoroughly dealt with 20 years ago. Since then they've just decided to become a hate group to justify their existence.

If you don't believe me...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCUM_Manifesto


Why don't you link to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion while you're at it?
 
2013-01-31 03:03:09 PM  

ciberido: On a completely different note, didn't you say (in other threads) that you're Czech and you live in North Carolina? There's a place in Cary called Klara's Restaurant.


OooooOOOoooooo! Nice, they just opened one on Hillsborough Street, too. Thanks for the link, I'll have to czech it out when I have the funds :)
 
2013-01-31 03:04:24 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Hopefully someone will make the rule 63 version to test the waters and get a complete assload of free publicity on the coat-tails of the press and this game.


As long as the man is smaller and weaker looking than the woman.  A large man beating a small woman is not absurd, so it is not funny in the same way.
 
2013-01-31 03:05:48 PM  

RobSeace: We can do it with a corpse, because a corpse has no rights


Dude, you cannot do it with a corpse. That is illegal and disgusting.

A corpse does indeed have the right for you not to be vile and disgusting like that to them.
 
2013-01-31 03:08:59 PM  

RobSeace: What exactly are you suggesting? Cops should force people they suspect are being beaten by a spouse/SO to be examined against their will, so they can try to find evidence to charge the suspected abuser with? Just go ahead and trod on the victim's rights for their own good? We can do it with a corpse, because a corpse has no rights... Do you really want to start treating suspected abuse victims like corpses? What happens the first time the cops screw up, and find out the victim really did "fall down the stairs" as she claimed? I'm thinking major lawsuit!


The police can and will press charges themselves against an abuser if there are visible injuries/witnesses for the specific reason so that the abused doesn't have to. At that point, the victim cannot have charges dropped, even if they want to. They do however have to appear in court and swear to tell the truth. Meanwhile, the victim will also be set up with local shelters and the ADA prosecuting the case, with a bit of support and knowing they're safe they're most likely to at last be able to cut that cord.

Having someone such as the cops looking out for your own welfare by doing this is one hell of motivator.
 
2013-01-31 03:26:42 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: The police can and will press charges themselves against an abuser if there are visible injuries/witnesses for the specific reason so that the abused doesn't have to.


Witnesses are one thing: there you have someone willing to present evidence, at least... But, if it's just the victim who refuses to do so, and insists on lying by saying the injuries were self-inflicted or accidental or whatever, I'm not sure how the cops can be expected to compel them into making their case for them... Yes, they should absolutely do everything they can to convince the suspected victim of willingly cooperating... But, if ultimately they refuse to cooperate, I fail to see how one can blame law enforcement or "civilization" as a whole for somehow failing to take down the suspected abuser anyway...
 
2013-01-31 03:28:41 PM  

torusXL: RobSeace: We can do it with a corpse, because a corpse has no rights

Dude, you cannot do it with a corpse. That is illegal and disgusting.

A corpse does indeed have the right for you not to be vile and disgusting like that to them.


www.myteeprinting.com
 
2013-01-31 03:37:27 PM  

Vegetative reproduction: ProfessorOhki: Hopefully someone will make the rule 63 version to test the waters and get a complete assload of free publicity on the coat-tails of the press and this game.

As long as the man is smaller and weaker looking than the woman.  A large man beating a small woman is not absurd, so it is not funny in the same way.


Make the man bigger: "Oh, it's a masculine power fantasy about victimizing a defenseless woman"
Make the woman bigger: "Oh, it's a masculine power fantasy about 'taking down' a strong, empowered woman."

Troll mode: give them the exact same base body models, but add reasonably-sized breasts to one of them.  All complaints can be reversed onto the one making the complaint by the fact any perceived difference in physical power is entirely due them projecting their own sexual stereotypes.
 
2013-01-31 04:05:45 PM  

PsiChick: I sound fat: g4lt: super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.

Annnd we're back to the Stone age.  Throw in the towel, civilization, it's over.

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.

Except that a huge part of abusive relationships is brainwashing. It's the same reason women don't leave relationships where men abuse them; the abusive partner, not always intentionally, brainwashes them into believing they deserve it, or it's not that bad. And it definitely doesn't help that society's decided men just cannot POSSIBLY be victimized so they must be faking it.

Abuse victims often can't leave. Sometimes there's a financial or other reason, but sometimes it's just because they're psychologically trapped. It's the same for female-on-male abuse as it is for male-on-female. Trying to be 'tough love' on abuse victims is like trying to make two solid objects occupy the same space and time--it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what you're trying to accomplish.



There's this whole thing called gaslighting which, among other things, is used to mean basically brainwashing an abuse victim into believing she isn't really being abused.
 
2013-01-31 04:15:40 PM  

PsiChick: Except that a huge part of abusive relationships is brainwashing. It's the same reason women don't leave relationships where men abuse them; the abusive partner, not always intentionally, brainwashes them into believing they deserve it, or it's not that bad. And it definitely doesn't help that society's decided men just cannot POSSIBLY be victimized so they must be faking it.

Abuse victims often can't leave. Sometimes there's a financial or other reason, but sometimes it's just because they're psychologically trapped. It's the same for female-on-male abuse as it is for male-on-female. Trying to be 'tough love' on abuse victims is like trying to make two solid objects occupy the same space and time--it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what you're trying to accomplish.


This, this and this.  I was only with her for five months (she moved in after three), but mind games and her owing me money are a big part of the reason I didn't kick her ass to the curb once her insanity became apparent.  When she calls you a bad boyfriend, you feel the need to prove her wrong, when the correct solution is to prove her right.  She holds all the cars, she makes all the rules, and she's got the goalposts mounted on a 4x4 and filled in with sheet metal.  There is no outcome where you can possibly be the winner.

"Why did you stay with them for so long?" is a question that doesn't have a simple answer.  Because I wanted to make it work, because I wanted to show I was a good person, because she owed me money, because there were times when we got along really well, because the sex was good, because I didn't have enough of a frame of reference to see what was really going on, because I'd never had a proper happy relationship to compare this to...

4tehsnowflakes: 4ts had a long marriage to an ex that had a bad temper. My attitude was, she could hurl all the verbal abuse and plates she wanted because I was a rock, nothing could hurt me. And I had a sharp tongue too. I never complained to people because I didn't want to look weak. It was getting me down, but I just couldn't admit it. Yes I wanted to stay to protect the kids from her. And when I smacked dat a** in the bedroom (her favorite) I felt like the balance was restored.


This as well.  I've always considered myself to be above petty emotional considerations.  It got to the point where I went and had a cry in the boss' office, then went an talked to the on-campus counsellor.  I've never reached out for help for any reason like that before.

Best part?  Psychobiatch was mad because I didn't open up to her.  Never mind the fact she bit my head off whenever I opened my mouth, then accused me of blaming her for everything while blaming me for everything.
 
2013-01-31 04:26:13 PM  

Bondith: Best part? Psychobiatch was mad because I didn't open up to her. Never mind the fact she bit my head off whenever I opened my mouth, then accused me of blaming her for everything while blaming me for everything.


Holy crap, when did you date my ex-wife?
 
2013-01-31 04:47:44 PM  

tgambitg: Bondith: Best part? Psychobiatch was mad because I didn't open up to her. Never mind the fact she bit my head off whenever I opened my mouth, then accused me of blaming her for everything while blaming me for everything.

Holy crap, when did you date my ex-wife?


Your ex-wife appears to be my current wife.
 
2013-01-31 04:52:05 PM  

WhippingBoy: tgambitg: Bondith: Best part? Psychobiatch was mad because I didn't open up to her. Never mind the fact she bit my head off whenever I opened my mouth, then accused me of blaming her for everything while blaming me for everything.

Holy crap, when did you date my ex-wife?

Your ex-wife appears to be my current wife.


Try to bring her and possibly yourself to a psychologist for testing and see if there are any diagnosis.

If you wait years and years before doing this, and if she does have issues due to her brain (which is an organ just like lungs or kidneys), then she's just as much a victim as you.

Now if she doesn't have any diagnosis then she just hates you annnd you should just leave.
 
2013-01-31 04:54:04 PM  

ciberido: PsiChick: I sound fat:

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.

Except that a huge part of abusive relationships is brainwashing. It's the same reason women don't leave relationships where men abuse them; the abusive partner, not always intentionally, brainwashes them into believing they deserve it, or it's not that bad. And it definitely doesn't help that society's decided men just cannot POSSIBLY be victimized so they must be faking it.

Abuse victims often can't leave. Sometimes there's a financial or other reason, but sometimes it's just because they're psychologically trapped. It's the same for female-on-male abuse as it is for male-on-female. Trying to be 'tough love' on abuse victims is like trying to make two solid objects occupy the same space and time--it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what you're trying to accomplish.


There's this whole thing called gaslighting which, among other things, is used to mean basically brainwashing an abuse victim into believing she isn't really being abused.


This post chain is popcorn gold. Starts off with a man being the victim of "his woman" (lol, possessive undertones) and three posts later the generic victim being discussed has become female.

If there's one thing Fark has, it's a wide cast of characters.
 
2013-01-31 05:09:27 PM  
I can't see the link but I would encourage women to take out their aggression violently out on me. Sadly, women simply don't have it in them. They're more into screaming and drama which is zero fun for me.
 
2013-01-31 05:10:06 PM  
i1172.photobucket.com

women commit more violence than men against their partners.


http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

 
2013-01-31 05:11:15 PM  

torusXL: WhippingBoy: tgambitg: Bondith: Best part? Psychobiatch was mad because I didn't open up to her. Never mind the fact she bit my head off whenever I opened my mouth, then accused me of blaming her for everything while blaming me for everything.

Holy crap, when did you date my ex-wife?

Your ex-wife appears to be my current wife.

Try to bring her and possibly yourself to a psychologist for testing and see if there are any diagnosis.

If you wait years and years before doing this, and if she does have issues due to her brain (which is an organ just like lungs or kidneys), then she's just as much a victim as you.

Now if she doesn't have any diagnosis then she just hates you annnd you should just leave.


She talked me into getting a psychiatric evaluation because she thought I needed therapy.  I got rid of her before the appointment came up, so I cancelled it (and the wench on the other end of the phone gave me attitude when I told her I didn't think I needed help).

My current girlfriend is absolutely amazing.  If I'd known what a real relationship was supposed to be like, I wouldn't have put up with the crap Psychobiatch (and Whineybiatch before her) dished out.  Sometimes I kinda long to be back with them, but only so I could tell them off properly and then sack up and dump their asses.
 
2013-01-31 05:22:51 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 328x440]

women commit more nonreciprocal violence than men against their partners.
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm


FTFY.

They don't give overall numbers for all violent relationships, just the one where the battered partner doesn't hit back.  The fact that women initiate the most nonreciprocal violence ties in with comments in this thread about men knowing that if they retaliate or even try to defend themselves, they're going to jail even though they're the victim.
 
2013-01-31 05:28:30 PM  

dickfreckle: thamike: Subby wears a popped collar knock-off and has Bret Easton Ellis syndrome.

Am I the only guy on Fark who actually enjoys reading Ellis' work? I particularly dig his short story compilations.

He is a jerk, though. But so are some of my favorite musicians, actors, and artists.


Who said I didn't like to read his work?  I like Mamet's work too, but in order to enjoy either of them, I have to pretend that they're satirizing clueless sociopathic douchebags, not celebrating them.
 
2013-01-31 05:36:58 PM  

Bondith: GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 328x440]

women commit more nonreciprocal violence than men against their partners.
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

FTFY.

They don't give overall numbers for all violent relationships, just the one where the battered partner doesn't hit back.  The fact that women initiate the most nonreciprocal violence ties in with comments in this thread about men knowing that if they retaliate or even try to defend themselves, they're going to jail even though they're the victim.


Well, that's because, the reciprocal violence is by definition distributed equally. It's not a chart of who initiates it, it's a chart of who commits it.

I get what you're saying though and it'd be interesting to see the numbers on who instigated the reciprocal instances. It's worth noting though that even if the reciprocal violence was initiated by men 100% of the time, it'd still 36% of violent IPV being started by women.
 
2013-01-31 05:37:28 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 328x440]

women commit more violence than men against their partners.
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm


thanks for those references
 
2013-01-31 05:41:22 PM  

torusXL: WhippingBoy: tgambitg: Bondith: Best part? Psychobiatch was mad because I didn't open up to her. Never mind the fact she bit my head off whenever I opened my mouth, then accused me of blaming her for everything while blaming me for everything.

Holy crap, when did you date my ex-wife?

Your ex-wife appears to be my current wife.

Try to bring her and possibly yourself to a psychologist for testing and see if there are any diagnosis.

If you wait years and years before doing this, and if she does have issues due to her brain (which is an organ just like lungs or kidneys), then she's just as much a victim as you.

Now if she doesn't have any diagnosis then she just hates you annnd you should just leave.


I've tried numerous times. Her parents have tried numerous times. Her sister has tried numerous times. She refuses to go because she's afraid of what a psychologist might say.
I'd love to leave, but it would destroy our children.
 
2013-01-31 05:44:12 PM  

Spindle: Currently in the process of divorcing my wife after an emotionally abusive relationship.  Go ahead and call me a pussy, I've been emasculated for a very long time.

It's kind of telling when most people respond to you saying you're getting a divorce with "Good for you" and "I can't believe you held out so long."


For me it was when the cops had been called in yet again for the yelling, and one of these cops recognized me from a previous year and took me in the other room and asked me "what the hell are you still doing with her????"

It was after that I I told her that I would be leaving to moment I could get things figured out... (and have children services to look after the kids as I knew that there was no way I've manage to be the one that would keep them... at least for the time being).

Took me three months... three wonderful months of things going from terrible to terrible 3.

Funny story, after a few months, she had destroyed the apartment (the poor poor owners), and I was told that if there was anything I wanted, to go before they started to shovel the place clean.

I walked in, had a neighbor come at me, yelling, accusing, all the stuff that had been told to her by the ex.

I simply asked this neighbor... "what do you remember, the things you saw for yourself...?"  She apologized and felt crummy and left with her head down.
 
2013-01-31 05:47:10 PM  

WhippingBoy: torusXL: WhippingBoy: tgambitg: Bondith: Best part? Psychobiatch was mad because I didn't open up to her. Never mind the fact she bit my head off whenever I opened my mouth, then accused me of blaming her for everything while blaming me for everything.

Holy crap, when did you date my ex-wife?

Your ex-wife appears to be my current wife.

Try to bring her and possibly yourself to a psychologist for testing and see if there are any diagnosis.

If you wait years and years before doing this, and if she does have issues due to her brain (which is an organ just like lungs or kidneys), then she's just as much a victim as you.

Now if she doesn't have any diagnosis then she just hates you annnd you should just leave.

I've tried numerous times. Her parents have tried numerous times. Her sister has tried numerous times. She refuses to go because she's afraid of what a psychologist might say.
I'd love to leave, but it would destroy our children.


FFS, if there's 4 familial parties who all think she needs a psych eval, you might want to consider that she will destroy your children. I mean, yeah a kid will be sad if they don't get to see a parent anymore. Pretty sure it'd be of a lesser degree than 18 some odd years of living with someone who tends towards emotional abuse. Not to mention that proceedings might give the opportunity to force her to visit with a psychologist, which sounds like it'd be in her best interest as well.
 
2013-01-31 05:59:59 PM  

ProfessorOhki: WhippingBoy: torusXL: WhippingBoy: tgambitg: Bondith: Best part? Psychobiatch was mad because I didn't open up to her. Never mind the fact she bit my head off whenever I opened my mouth, then accused me of blaming her for everything while blaming me for everything.

Holy crap, when did you date my ex-wife?

Your ex-wife appears to be my current wife.

Try to bring her and possibly yourself to a psychologist for testing and see if there are any diagnosis.

If you wait years and years before doing this, and if she does have issues due to her brain (which is an organ just like lungs or kidneys), then she's just as much a victim as you.

Now if she doesn't have any diagnosis then she just hates you annnd you should just leave.

I've tried numerous times. Her parents have tried numerous times. Her sister has tried numerous times. She refuses to go because she's afraid of what a psychologist might say.
I'd love to leave, but it would destroy our children.

FFS, if there's 4 familial parties who all think she needs a psych eval, you might want to consider that she will destroy your children. I mean, yeah a kid will be sad if they don't get to see a parent anymore. Pretty sure it'd be of a lesser degree than 18 some odd years of living with someone who tends towards emotional abuse. Not to mention that proceedings might give the opportunity to force her to visit with a psychologist, which sounds like it'd be in her best interest as well.


I know. These things are easier said than done. Last time I "pushed" her, she threatened to leave and take our children with her. She's their primary caregiver, so I wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell to get custody.
 
2013-01-31 07:24:02 PM  

torusXL: WhippingBoy: tgambitg: Bondith: Best part? Psychobiatch was mad because I didn't open up to her. Never mind the fact she bit my head off whenever I opened my mouth, then accused me of blaming her for everything while blaming me for everything.

Holy crap, when did you date my ex-wife?

Your ex-wife appears to be my current wife.

Try to bring her and possibly yourself to a psychologist for testing and see if there are any diagnosis.

If you wait years and years before doing this, and if she does have issues due to her brain (which is an organ just like lungs or kidneys), then she's just as much a victim as you.

Now if she doesn't have any diagnosis then she just hates you annnd you should just leave.


My ex-wife was diagnosed Paranoid-Schizophrenic with Violent Tendencies about a year after we got married. Which when it came time to renew, cost me a security clearance. Apparently being married to someone with diagnosed mental health issues is a big concern.
 
2013-01-31 07:24:53 PM  

ciberido: Egoy3k: MsIndy: CSB time. I am at a university, and occasionally students are hired to work at a lab where heavy machinery is used. After complaining to one of the professors about the clear bias towards hiring males for the heavy machinery jobs and ignoring women's applications, I was told "They used to hire women, but they didn't work out. They tried, that's not good enough?" He found it perfectly acceptable that an entire class of people had been dismissed out of hand for what were either a few bad eggs or poor hiring decisions. Substitute "black", "Turkish", or any other minority and I'm sure he would find that appalling, but "women." Yeah, they just didn't work out. Nevermind that I'm actually certified to drive a forklift and I restore old cars for fun, I clearly don't deserve to be judged on my own merits.

It would be just fine if Black or Turkish people had a known history of being shiatty at operating heavy machinery and had caused a disproportionate number of accidents and or near misses. Since the are no real differences between races (race isn't even a real thing) and we happen to be a species with a fair degree of sexual dimorphism I would say that judging a person based on their sex is much more correct than judging someone based on their 'race'.

So you have some sort of study at hand which proves that women are worse than men at operating heavy machinery, do you?


I'm late getting back to the party...sorry. I have to say, having observed this particular environment for a few years now, the men don't do that great a job operating the machinery, either. To my original point, if competence driving/operating heavy machinery is needed, create a pre-employment test for THAT, not for the presence of a penis.
 
2013-01-31 07:27:48 PM  

Egoy3k: ciberido: Egoy3k: MsIndy: CSB time. I am at a university, and occasionally students are hired to work at a lab where heavy machinery is used. After complaining to one of the professors about the clear bias towards hiring males for the heavy machinery jobs and ignoring women's applications, I was told "They used to hire women, but they didn't work out. They tried, that's not good enough?" He found it perfectly acceptable that an entire class of people had been dismissed out of hand for what were either a few bad eggs or poor hiring decisions. Substitute "black", "Turkish", or any other minority and I'm sure he would find that appalling, but "women." Yeah, they just didn't work out. Nevermind that I'm actually certified to drive a forklift and I restore old cars for fun, I clearly don't deserve to be judged on my own merits.

It would be just fine if Black or Turkish people had a known history of being shiatty at operating heavy machinery and had caused a disproportionate number of accidents and or near misses. Since the are no real differences between races (race isn't even a real thing) and we happen to be a species with a fair degree of sexual dimorphism I would say that judging a person based on their sex is much more correct than judging someone based on their 'race'.

So you have some sort of study at hand which proves that women are worse than men at operating heavy machinery, do you?

I don't need one. I'm not asserting that they are. The professor in the story was either being dishonest or had a personal history of having issues with females and heavy machinery. Talk to him not me.


The issue is that if "Bob" screws up while driving a forklift, he's an idiot. If a woman screws up while driving a forklift, all women are bad at driving a forklift. You really don't see the difference? Hint: the issue isn't women's capability for driving forklifts...
 
2013-01-31 07:28:56 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: [i1172.photobucket.com image 328x440]

women commit more violence than men against their partners.
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm


I call BS. Most gender 'studies' are BS.
 
2013-01-31 08:05:29 PM  

RobSeace: BarkingUnicorn: RobSeace: BarkingUnicorn: The same way civilization steps into a case of homicide even though the victim won't cooperate.

I'm pretty sure the victim of a homicide has no choice but to cooperate with the authorities! I've never heard of a corpse refusing to be autopsied or dusted for prints, anyway...

Exactly.  You never hear of a homicide victim refusing to press charges, produce evidence or testify, or of a perp getting off for such reasons.

Pressing charges isn't required... And, the body itself (along with all trace evidence on/in it) serves as evidence...

What exactly are you suggesting? Cops should force people they suspect are being beaten by a spouse/SO to be examined against their will, so they can try to find evidence to charge the suspected abuser with? Just go ahead and trod on the victim's rights for their own good? We can do it with a corpse, because a corpse has no rights... Do you really want to start treating suspected abuse victims like corpses?


I'm saying that even without the cooperation of corpses, homicides get prosecuted.  Abusers can get prosecuted even without the cooperation of living victims. That is all.

What happens the first time the cops screw up, and find out the victim really did "fall down the stairs" as she claimed? I'm thinking major lawsuit!

Same thing that happens when cops believe she fell down the stairs and a day later she's shot.  I believe it's called "qualified immunity."
 
2013-01-31 08:19:19 PM  

Theaetetus: JohnAnnArbor: [dilbert.com image 640x194]

Really, quoting Scott "women are like children or the mentally handicapped" Adams in this context?


Your memory has faded in two years.   What he really said:

"The reality is that women are treated differently by society for exactly the same reason that children and the mentally handicapped are treated differently. It's just easier this way for everyone. You don't argue with a four-year old about why he shouldn't eat candy for dinner. You don't punch a mentally handicapped guy even if he punches you first. And you don't argue when a women tells you she's only making 80 cents to your dollar. It's the path of least resistance. You save your energy for more important battles."

Disapprove of truth.  Fiction isn't worth the effort.
 
2013-01-31 08:21:20 PM  

super_grass: This isn't real violence, and volume against men by women isn't a real issue.

Get over you victim complexes.


That's funny, because the larger studies done, that ask both genders the same unbiased questions, show symmetry in domestic violence.  In relationships where there is bi-directional violence, women hit first more often, and for the same reasons as men, i.e. to control or dominate, NOT out of self defense or fear.

It's only when you break out the "feminist math" that men seem to be the dominant aggressors.  This is done by erasing male victims.

Remember your feminism:  If one man calls one woman a biatch, it degrades all women, enforces gender roles, devalues all women, and keeps men in complete  control of society.  He needs to be shamed, sent to sensitivity training, and purged from civil society if he doesn't change.

If several different women go nuts and murder or castrate their husbands, it is something to be laughed about long and with relish, by women on popular TV shows watched by millions.

KNOW YOUR PLACE, MEN.  You are here to provide things for women, absorb the violence of society, and not much else.
 
2013-01-31 08:23:12 PM  

Spindle: Currently in the process of divorcing my wife after an emotionally abusive relationship.  Go ahead and call me a pussy, I've been emasculated for a very long time.

It's kind of telling when most people respond to you saying you're getting a divorce with "Good for you" and "I can't believe you held out so long."



Usually I'm just a dickbag on fark.  But I really do hope you're doing better.  Abuse is bad for everyone, and you didn't deserve it and don't need it.  Take care.
 
2013-01-31 08:38:56 PM  

tgambitg: My ex-wife was diagnosed Paranoid-Schizophrenic with Violent Tendencies about a year after we got married. Which when it came time to renew, cost me a security clearance. Apparently being married to someone with diagnosed mental health issues is a big concern.


Huh, I wonder why. Maybe they think she could be manipulated by a 3rd party into getting information out of you.

WhippingBoy: I know. These things are easier said than done. Last time I "pushed" her, she threatened to leave and take our children with her. She's their primary caregiver, so I wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell to get custody.


If there's true abuse to you and you can prove it, maybe you have a case to gain custody anyway. Especially if it extends to the kids. Just start discreetly documenting it for a few months, or something. Also maybe you can slowly and quietly take over more kid duties before taking action.

But if you can't actually show any of that, then I dunno, I've never dealt with that or even seen a friend deal with it :(

Don't stick your dick in crazy
(sorry couldn't resist - good luck to you man)
 
2013-01-31 08:43:23 PM  

Canned Tamales: Spindle: Currently in the process of divorcing my wife after an emotionally abusive relationship.  Go ahead and call me a pussy, I've been emasculated for a very long time.

It's kind of telling when most people respond to you saying you're getting a divorce with "Good for you" and "I can't believe you held out so long."


Usually I'm just a dickbag on fark.  But I really do hope you're doing better.  Abuse is bad for everyone, and you didn't deserve it and don't need it.  Take care.


This is what I like about Fark.  Every once in a while there's a thread that makes the dickbags drop the dickbaggery for a while.
 
2013-01-31 09:59:56 PM  
That gender study someone (I'm not scrolling back...at work and lazy) must have some discrepancies.

CSB/ I got the living hell kicked out of me (he was an in-the-closet drug addict. Surprise!). I sirprised him by coming back for a cell phone charger while he was in the process of using a drug (not one of the fun ones). He got pissed and had his arm over my neck choking me and my chin was kind of stuck near his wrist where I could bite him.

Bam. Mutual combat. I could't file charges. We were both determined aggressors because I bit him.

/CSB

But the point of the aforementioned blathering is the question; would I be part of that statistic as one who commits domestic abuse?
 
2013-01-31 10:10:53 PM  

torusXL: tgambitg: My ex-wife was diagnosed Paranoid-Schizophrenic with Violent Tendencies about a year after we got married. Which when it came time to renew, cost me a security clearance. Apparently being married to someone with diagnosed mental health issues is a big concern.

Huh, I wonder why. Maybe they think she could be manipulated by a 3rd party into getting information out of you.


That's how it was explained to me by the investigating officer... off the books of course. They don't really tell you WHY, just that 'it is what it is'... Thankfully the current girlfriend is quite sane and grounded in reality. And a lot better in about every area than the ex. So there's that.
 
2013-01-31 10:29:48 PM  

Nemo's Brother: jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.

This is how of liberals actually think v


I'll just have to take your word for it. Sounds like you hang out with them more than I do. I have no idea how liberals think.
 
2013-02-01 12:04:13 AM  
You see, women haven't been nice to me for my entire life, so it's totally ok that I like to abduct and dismember prostitutes. It is just Karma.
 
2013-02-01 12:27:56 AM  

megarian: That gender study someone (I'm not scrolling back...at work and lazy) must have some discrepancies.

CSB/ I got the living hell kicked out of me (he was an in-the-closet drug addict. Surprise!). I sirprised him by coming back for a cell phone charger while he was in the process of using a drug (not one of the fun ones). He got pissed and had his arm over my neck choking me and my chin was kind of stuck near his wrist where I could bite him.

Bam. Mutual combat. I could't file charges. We were both determined aggressors because I bit him.

/CSB

But the point of the aforementioned blathering is the question; would I be part of that statistic as one who commits domestic abuse?


No. You'd both be in the second tier pie as "Reciprocal IPV" which doesn't address who commits it. The sex-split pie is only for the instances where it wasn't mutual combat. Like Bondith said, the graph probably just indicates that, when attacked by the opposite sex, men are less likely to defend themselves.
 
2013-02-01 12:48:17 AM  

tgambitg: torusXL: tgambitg: My ex-wife was diagnosed Paranoid-Schizophrenic with Violent Tendencies about a year after we got married. Which when it came time to renew, cost me a security clearance. Apparently being married to someone with diagnosed mental health issues is a big concern.

Huh, I wonder why. Maybe they think she could be manipulated by a 3rd party into getting information out of you.

That's how it was explained to me by the investigating officer... off the books of course. They don't really tell you WHY, just that 'it is what it is'... Thankfully the current girlfriend is quite sane and grounded in reality. And a lot better in about every area than the ex. So there's that.


Yeah, them Russian lady spies are highly trained.  ;-)
 
2013-02-01 02:11:09 AM  
I see a lot of CSBs and stuff about how police don't arrest abusive women.  If they don't, then it's either a matter of local PD/Sheriff policy or a matter of a cop ignoring the established policy.  If you know someone who is being abused by an intimate partner (male or female) and a responding officer did not act, then you owe it to your friend to be their ally and advocate.  Help offer ways to get them out of the situation; their immediate safety must come first.  Then go to the police station or sheriff's office and try to find out if it was a bad policy or a bad officer.

If their policy calls for the arrest of the abuser in question and the officer didn't act, encourage your friend to file a report against the officer.  If their policy doesn't call for the arrest, then you should probably start lobbying your local officials to fix that problem.  If further abuse resulted from inaction due to a bad department policy, your friend may want to talk to a lawyer experienced in lawsuits against police.  It won't undo the abuse, but a good lawsuit for a bad policy can often light a fire under some asses to fix the problem.

In most states, the law defines domestic violence broadly, as an offense by one member of a household (current or past) against another.  It does not specify gender or relationship; it can include past or present spouses, individuals who have children together, parents and their children.  Offenses of this category usually include any felony, as well as battery, assault, stalking, vandalism, trespassing or unlawful restraint.

As mentioned by many before in this thread, a lot of guys in abusive relationships don't speak up because they believe they won't be taken seriously.  If you want that to change, it's not gonna change by itself.  It's up to people who care, to stand up and say that abuse is unacceptable in every case.  If more people stand up, speak out and fight at the local and state levels for changes in policy, then it'll encourage people to report abuse because they'll know they will be taken seriously and that they won't be alone.

/criminologist
//abuse is a lot more widespread than people think
///abuse thrives on isolating and disempowering the victim
////so be there for them and work to empower them
 
2013-02-01 06:25:38 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: I'm saying that even without the cooperation of corpses, homicides get prosecuted.


And, as I said, they actually get more cooperation from corpses than some victims, who irrationally shield their abusers... They can autopsy a corpse and determine cause of death; they can lift fingerprints, bite marks, tool marks, foreign DNA, etc. off of the corpse to use as evidence against the killer... They can't do any of this with a living victim against their will... (Well, hopefully they wouldn't autopsy a living victim in any case!) The challenge is a lot harder in the case of a living victim who refuses to cooperate... Not only do they still have no victim testimony (just as in the murder case), but now they also have no physical evidence, because the victim refuses to let them examine their body and collect it... The challenge is similar to that of prosecuting a murder without a dead body at all... And, you'll notice they tend to have a very hard time at that, as well...
 
2013-02-01 07:54:28 AM  

Slaxl: That's right they wouldn't have approved it, but my main point was that it doesn't promote violence in one way or the other, so let this app go, watch the violence rates remain the same, then we can talk about other causes, because it sure as hell isn't a game.


Your correct in that video games don't promote real world violence. My point is that Apple never would have approved this app if the roles were reversed and to speak up about domestic violence abuse against men. Things that further encourage the double standard in this country and other countries on domestic abuse need to named and shamed.

Men can only be stigmatized by domestic abuse by women for as long as we allow ourselves to be. Since I was a victim of domestic abuse I feel the need to speak up about it and refuse to be stigmatized by it and try to encourage other men to get out of bad relationships. Notably I have previously spent years trying to help (and often failing) women I personally know to get out of abusive domestic relationships with men. I'm not anti-women, I'm anti-domestic abuse.
 
2013-02-01 09:08:13 AM  

xxdangerbobxx: untaken_name: xxdangerbobxx: As we live in a patriarchal society, I fail to see the obvious flaw in this (crude) statement.

Actually, by law, we do not.

Oh, well, if the law says it, it must be true.


There must be a standard somewhere, otherwise everything and nothing is true. I don't think you even know what a patriarchy is. Did your dad arrange your marriage? Does your mother, sister, or any other female relative own anything of her own? Did you ever hear of a woman who rented her own apartment? Are you dumb?
 
2013-02-01 09:20:54 AM  

RobSeace: CapeFearCadaver: The police can and will press charges themselves against an abuser if there are visible injuries/witnesses for the specific reason so that the abused doesn't have to.

Witnesses are one thing: there you have someone willing to present evidence, at least... But, if it's just the victim who refuses to do so, and insists on lying by saying the injuries were self-inflicted or accidental or whatever, I'm not sure how the cops can be expected to compel them into making their case for them... Yes, they should absolutely do everything they can to convince the suspected victim of willingly cooperating...


You're not hearing me. It does indeed happen.

But, if ultimately they refuse to cooperate, I fail to see how one can blame law enforcement or "civilization" as a whole for somehow failing to take down the suspected abuser anyway...

And I never blamed anyone.
 
2013-02-01 09:41:22 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: You're not hearing me. It does indeed happen.


What happens? Cops convince a victim to testify? Of course it happens! I don't know where you got the idea that anyone, let alone me, thought otherwise... But, they're not always successful in doing so 100% of the time, are they? And, I'm sure in some of those cases of failure, there's a lot more they could've done to try to convince them... But, I don't think that's always necessarily the case, either...

And I never blamed anyone.

No, but the person I was originally replying to certainly did... It was supposedly a failure of civilization in general, and law enforcement in particular, that not every single abuser is brought to justice... It's certainly a tragedy, and it would be nice if we could really do it, but short of cops obtaining psychic powers (which are allowed as evidence in court), I don't see how it's possible in reality... Can they maybe do more in many cases? Sure! But, at some point, there's a limit to how much they can do without trodding on the suspected victim's own rights...
 
2013-02-01 10:34:54 AM  

ProfessorOhki: ciberido: PsiChick: I sound fat:

I'm going to try to say this without being condescending or insensitive.  It will be hard.

Tip:  If your woman is abusing you, LEAVE.  You don't have to fight back (lord god, dont do that, you will go to jail) or care if she loves you back or not.  You are a MAN, you most likely have the ability to get a minimum wage job and a studio apartment.   If not, sleeping behind the dumpster is a whole lot easier on men then women, and preferable to being afraid of your girl.   I dont get this at ALL.

Except that a huge part of abusive relationships is brainwashing. It's the same reason women don't leave relationships where men abuse them; the abusive partner, not always intentionally, brainwashes them into believing they deserve it, or it's not that bad. And it definitely doesn't help that society's decided men just cannot POSSIBLY be victimized so they must be faking it.

Abuse victims often can't leave. Sometimes there's a financial or other reason, but sometimes it's just because they're psychologically trapped. It's the same for female-on-male abuse as it is for male-on-female. Trying to be 'tough love' on abuse victims is like trying to make two solid objects occupy the same space and time--it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what you're trying to accomplish.


There's this whole thing called gaslighting which, among other things, is used to mean basically brainwashing an abuse victim into believing she isn't really being abused.

This post chain is popcorn gold. Starts off with a man being the victim of "his woman" (lol, possessive undertones) and three posts later the generic victim being discussed has become female.

If there's one thing Fark has, it's a wide cast of characters.


I don't mean to be defensive, but in case I haven't been sufficiently clear earlier in this thread, I'm firmly in the "abuse is abuse" camp, acknowledging that the victim can be male or female and the perpetrator also can be male or female.

Again, not trying to attack you or be defensive; I just want to be clear about where I stand.
 
2013-02-01 10:40:44 AM  

MsIndy: Egoy3k: ciberido: Egoy3k: MsIndy: CSB time. I am at a university, and occasionally students are hired to work at a lab where heavy machinery is used. After complaining to one of the professors about the clear bias towards hiring males for the heavy machinery jobs and ignoring women's applications, I was told "They used to hire women, but they didn't work out. They tried, that's not good enough?" He found it perfectly acceptable that an entire class of people had been dismissed out of hand for what were either a few bad eggs or poor hiring decisions. Substitute "black", "Turkish", or any other minority and I'm sure he would find that appalling, but "women." Yeah, they just didn't work out. Nevermind that I'm actually certified to drive a forklift and I restore old cars for fun, I clearly don't deserve to be judged on my own merits.

It would be just fine if Black or Turkish people had a known history of being shiatty at operating heavy machinery and had caused a disproportionate number of accidents and or near misses. Since the are no real differences between races (race isn't even a real thing) and we happen to be a species with a fair degree of sexual dimorphism I would say that judging a person based on their sex is much more correct than judging someone based on their 'race'.

So you have some sort of study at hand which proves that women are worse than men at operating heavy machinery, do you?

I don't need one. I'm not asserting that they are. The professor in the story was either being dishonest or had a personal history of having issues with females and heavy machinery. Talk to him not me.

The issue is that if "Bob" screws up while driving a forklift, he's an idiot. If a woman screws up while driving a forklift, all women are bad at driving a forklift. You really don't see the difference? Hint: the issue isn't women's capability for driving forklifts...


imgs.xkcd.com
Something like this?
 
2013-02-01 12:20:32 PM  

tgambitg: My ex-wife was diagnosed Paranoid-Schizophrenic with Violent Tendencies about a year after we got married. Which when it came time to renew, cost me a security clearance. Apparently being married to someone with diagnosed mental health issues is a big concern.


It depends on the issue: there are rules about this sort of thing. Same goes if you have the issue yourself. But that particular issue would indeed throw a big red flag.
 
2013-02-01 06:15:53 PM  

tgambitg: torusXL: tgambitg: My ex-wife was diagnosed Paranoid-Schizophrenic with Violent Tendencies about a year after we got married. Which when it came time to renew, cost me a security clearance. Apparently being married to someone with diagnosed mental health issues is a big concern.

Huh, I wonder why. Maybe they think she could be manipulated by a 3rd party into getting information out of you.

That's how it was explained to me by the investigating officer... off the books of course. They don't really tell you WHY, just that 'it is what it is'... Thankfully the current girlfriend is quite sane and grounded in reality. And a lot better in about every area than the ex. So there's that.


Stsying in an abusive relationship against rational advice also demonstrates poor judgement and a tendency to prioritize emotional connections over your own and your employer's best interests.
 
2013-02-01 07:23:20 PM  
what is abuse?

farking so hard that the penis turns purple?

cause that's painful
 
2013-02-02 01:23:12 PM  
doglover: jaylectricity: You used to be able to sell your daughter for a couple of goats. Karma is a biatch.

A couple goats?

I'm trading good goats for a girl child. You get three chickens and one wheel of goat cheese, but only if she's got good teeth.

By the beard of the Prophet, peace be upon him, you got gypped!  I got one girl and three dancing boys for only five chickens and a 12 oz. bag of qat.


/Allahu akbar
 
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