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(Boston.com)   College student files discrimination complaint because senior party will be at club with alcohol and she's not old enough to drink   (boston.com) divider line 23
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2013-01-30 08:31:42 PM  
8 votes:
Nope, I'm on her side. Whether or not admission is directly funded by her isn't an issue. She attends college for all the benefits and activities, and if an _official_ class event unreasonably excludes her, it's denying her a part of the college that she _did_ pay for.

Replace "business that only allows those 21 years old and above" with "business that only allows white people" or "men" or "non-handicapped" or "Christians" and see how well that goes over.
2013-01-30 07:55:24 PM  
6 votes:
I was about to say this is stupid, but the fund she paid into also pays for the party that she's not allowed to go to.

Refund her fees in full and still let her go to the other events, problem solved. A very small slap on the wrist to a college who didn't plan properly.
2013-01-30 08:46:22 PM  
3 votes:

Girion47: /Drinking age should be 18
//responsible drinking should be taught at home starting at 12 with drinks alongside meals.


I'll agree with this one 100%

The drinking age of 21 is asinine.  What is worse is the Federal government using highway money to extort the states into enforcing it.

You can enlist in the military and go off and fight and die for your nation, sign binding contracts, be old enough to be executed, do any one of a zillion things that mean "adult", but if you're 20 years, 11 months and 27 days old it's bad-wrong-evil "Underage Drinking" to have a single beer.

Yup, we'll trust you with an M-16 before we'll trust you with a PBR.

The anti-drinking morality types know they can't ban it outright, they tried and failed.  So, instead they whittle away at it in a zillion little ways.  They push for higher drinking age laws, for more restrictions on where and when alcohol can be sold, for stricter drunk driving laws, everything they can to make life miserable on people who drink.

I believe the official rationale that was used was that the human brain is still developing until around age 21, so alcohol could stunt their mental growth.  Funny nobody seems to care that on your 21st birthday you could blow several IQ points on a raging bender and it's legal just as long as you don't break any public intoxication laws.

My parents introduced me to alcohol at a young age.  When I was in junior high, my parents told me that if I wanted to have a beer and watch the ball game, to just ask and I could have a beer with Dad.  If I wanted a glass of wine with dinner, just ask and I could have one.  If I wanted to try a mixed drink some time, again, ask and they'll fix me a margarita or a Cuba libre or martini, or a pina colada or whatever.

The result?  Alcohol was not the "forbidden fruit" to me growing up, instead it was just another beverage choice.  In fact, I didn't even really care much for it in my teenage and most of my twentysomething years.

When I turned 18, I went to college.  I didn't care about drinking.  My roommate had that on his mind, since he hadn't been allowed to.  He was going to do all the stupid, reckless things he never got the chance to living with his parents.  He'd get smashing drunk while out, then come back to the dorm room surly and sauced.  He had a few close calls with alcohol poisoning, and was hung over so often in the morning he missed enough classes he dropped out after his first semester.

For my 21st birthday, my friends combined my birthday party with the party for a friend of mine who was turning 21 a couple of days earlier, so we had a joint birthday party.  I was sipping beer.  He was chugging, his parents had forbade him to drink.  He tried a zillion different alcohols, and I spent most of the night holding him over the toilet and making sure he wasn't about to die from alcohol poisoning.

I finally started to like beer by my late 20's (Newcastle or Harp usually).  Still can't stand most wines.  As for mixed drinks and hard liquor, I'll sip some decent bourbon occasionally (Woodford Reserve, or maybe Makers), and have a good margarita on rare occasion (Patron Silver, none of this Jose Cuervo crap).

I thank my parents for making it so alcohol was nothing special, and thus making sure it didn't become something to fixate my youth around.
2013-01-30 08:36:11 PM  
3 votes:

Girion47: Joe USer: I was about to say this is stupid, but the fund she paid into also pays for the party that she's not allowed to go to.

Refund her fees in full and still let her go to the other events, problem solved. A very small slap on the wrist to a college who didn't plan properly.

According to the article, the event at the 21+ event would be funded by those that bought tickets to said event.  So no, her money doesn't go to it until she buys a ticket, buying a ticket for an event you aren't old enough to get into, would be stupid.


/Drinking age should be 18
//responsible drinking should be taught at home starting at 12 with drinks alongside meals.


In fairness, it says mostly funded, and the organization that puts on the event is entirely funded by those fees and held to the school constitution, which specifically prohibits discrimination by age. This kid actually does have a valid case, even if it's spoiling the fun of others.
2013-01-30 08:05:34 PM  
3 votes:

Joe USer: I was about to say this is stupid, but the fund she paid into also pays for the party that she's not allowed to go to.

Refund her fees in full and still let her go to the other events, problem solved. A very small slap on the wrist to a college who didn't plan properly.


According to the article, the event at the 21+ event would be funded by those that bought tickets to said event.  So no, her money doesn't go to it until she buys a ticket, buying a ticket for an event you aren't old enough to get into, would be stupid.


/Drinking age should be 18
//responsible drinking should be taught at home starting at 12 with drinks alongside meals.
2013-01-30 08:35:03 PM  
2 votes:

StopLurkListen: Nope, I'm on her side. Whether or not admission is directly funded by her isn't an issue. She attends college for all the benefits and activities, and if an _official_ class event unreasonably excludes her, it's denying her a part of the college that she _did_ pay for.

Replace "business that only allows those 21 years old and above" with "business that only allows white people" or "men" or "non-handicapped" or "Christians" and see how well that goes over.


So I guess the class fitness trip to "Curves" is cancelled...
2013-01-30 08:13:07 PM  
2 votes:
Atta girl, genius. Now when you're looking for work soon, when prospective employers google your name they will immediately toss your resumé in the trash becase you're a headcase.

Totally worth it, I am sure.
2013-01-30 08:03:28 PM  
2 votes:
prorated refund due
that is all
2013-01-30 08:02:19 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-01-30 10:18:03 PM  
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: Nope, I'm on her side. Whether or not admission is directly funded by her isn't an issue. She attends college for all the benefits and activities, and if an _official_ class event unreasonably excludes her, it's denying her a part of the college that she _did_ pay for.

Replace "business that only allows those 21 years old and above" with "business that only allows white people" or "men" or "non-handicapped" or "Christians" and see how well that goes over.


we call those "country clubs"..
2013-01-30 09:15:20 PM  
1 votes:

Leishu: halB: My college had a women's center and a daycare.  I wasn't allowed to use either of those.  Do I get my fees refunded?

Um. Firstly, anybody is allowed to use a Women's Center. In general their purpose is eduction and equality and they tend to allow pretty much anybody in for that specific reason.

Secondly, you are allowed to use the daycare. The fact that you had no children (I assume) makes it moot, however.

... try again?


Some universities do not allow men in their women's centers.  I forget which, but one of them is being challenged for gender descrimination.  Personally, I think the guys should create a men's center, put in cool things, put up a sign saying "no girls allowed", and wait for the radical feminists to raise a ruckus.
2013-01-30 08:57:21 PM  
1 votes:
This thread is looking a little
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2013-01-30 08:46:06 PM  
1 votes:

MissFeasance: I graduated before I was 20, but don't recall any issues.  There was a senior week and a senior... street fair thing.  If there was an actual banquet with alcohol I don't remember hearing about it.


Sounds like someone didn't get invited to the real party...
2013-01-30 08:45:06 PM  
1 votes:
I graduated before I was 20, but don't recall any issues.  There was a senior week and a senior... street fair thing.  If there was an actual banquet with alcohol I don't remember hearing about it.
2013-01-30 08:42:20 PM  
1 votes:

halB: My college had a women's center and a daycare.  I wasn't allowed to use either of those.  Do I get my fees refunded?


Um. Firstly, anybody is allowed to use a Women's Center. In general their purpose is eduction and equality and they tend to allow pretty much anybody in for that specific reason.

Secondly, you are allowed to use the daycare. The fact that you had no children (I assume) makes it moot, however.

... try again?
2013-01-30 08:38:48 PM  
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: Nope, I'm on her side. Whether or not admission is directly funded by her isn't an issue. She attends college for all the benefits and activities, and if an _official_ class event unreasonably excludes her, it's denying her a part of the college that she _did_ pay for.

Replace "business that only allows those 21 years old and above" with "business that only allows white people" or "men" or "non-handicapped" or "Christians" and see how well that goes over.


My college had a women's center and a daycare.  I wasn't allowed to use either of those.  Do I get my fees refunded?

What if I'm in my last semester?  Do I not have to pay tuition - because that tuition would send money towards classes I couldn't take because I didn't have the prereqs?

I guess they don't teach "sucking it up and not being a biatch 101" anymore.
2013-01-30 08:36:15 PM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Do student activities fees usually include alcohol?


They have for my department's student group at times, usually when there is leftover.  Hell until this year full department meet and greets at the beginning of the year had booze, but school policy banned any alcohol from being served in student/teacher meetings, even when off-campus.

Of course, this is also grad students and up, so there is that.
2013-01-30 08:35:48 PM  
1 votes:

StopLurkListen: Nope, I'm on her side. Whether or not admission is directly funded by her isn't an issue. She attends college for all the benefits and activities, and if an _official_ class event unreasonably excludes her, it's denying her a part of the college that she _did_ pay for.

Replace "business that only allows those 21 years old and above" with "business that only allows white people" or "men" or "non-handicapped" or "Christians" and see how well that goes over.


This isn't an event endorsed by a college, this is an event funded by the students that are participating.   So therefore not "official"
2013-01-30 08:22:55 PM  
1 votes:
Well, her option to just attend and drink with everyone else (because I'm willing to bet they weren't going to be carding at this private party, especially if she is only one of a handful of <21s) is totally blown. She screwed that up royally.

I say, let her attend (there is no law in MA prohibiting an <21 from entering a bar) and just make a *VERY* loud announcement to all in attendance, including the staff, that she is not of legal drinking age and therefore should not be served.

PROBLEM SOLVED.
2013-01-30 08:12:53 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-01-30 08:06:35 PM  
1 votes:
20 year old college senior? She has obviously not cared about partying much before now.
2013-01-30 08:03:47 PM  
1 votes:
Her parents taught her well.
2013-01-30 08:02:09 PM  
1 votes:

Joe USer: I was about to say this is stupid, but the fund she paid into also pays for the party that she's not allowed to go to.

Refund her fees in full and still let her go to the other events, problem solved. A very small slap on the wrist to a college who didn't plan properly.


Yeah that's about as much as she should get.
 
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