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(Boston.com)   Judge tells 12 year old vandal to get a job so he can pay back victims   (boston.com) divider line 119
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2013-01-30 08:23:41 PM
Maybe he could help his neighborhood priest count the donations.
 
2013-01-30 08:52:41 PM
He's old enough to push a lawnmower all summer.

/get you some of that, sonny
 
2013-01-30 09:07:49 PM
Maybe he could paint houses. Sounds like he's already done it, so he should pick it up quick.
 
2013-01-30 09:38:11 PM
I'd rather the judge force the kid to mow the lawns of houses he tagged for the next two summers. Call it "community service."
 
2013-01-30 10:20:47 PM
And get a haircut. And clean his act up and don't be a slob.
 
2013-01-30 10:21:44 PM
Court ordered child labor is still forced child labor....
 
2013-01-30 10:23:25 PM
aren't 12 year olds still generally 2 years away from legal employment, hardship exceptions aside?
 
2013-01-30 10:23:26 PM

SpdrJay: Court ordered child labor is still forced child labor....


Then they can just refer to it as chores.
 
2013-01-30 10:23:51 PM
about farking time
 
2013-01-30 10:24:16 PM
Vandalism. What a stupid crime to commit.
 
2013-01-30 10:25:08 PM
Try burglary, kid. It's exhilarating and it'll get you the restitution funds.
 
2013-01-30 10:26:24 PM
Uh, bad move by the judge since he's probably telling the kid to find someone to break child labor laws. I know in Ohio you can't legally hire someone under 14 and kids 14-15 can't work past 7pm while school is in session. While it's unlikely that you'd ever be prosecuted for say hiring a baby sitter under 16 to watch your kids past 7pm, it's really not something a sitting judge should be promoting.
 
2013-01-30 10:26:47 PM
Why not just take the money from his parents and let them sort it out?
 
2013-01-30 10:27:28 PM

ultraholland: Try burglary, kid. It's exhilarating and it'll get you the restitution funds.


You're reading Fark, the show that does not advocate the cool crime of robbery!
 
2013-01-30 10:28:49 PM
Nice to see a non-sissified, non PC, real-world lesson being taught in a world that blames everyone else for their own misdeeds.
 
2013-01-30 10:29:23 PM

Supes: I'd rather the judge force the kid to mow the lawns of houses he tagged for the next two summers. Call it "community service."


Something like that is a viable solution. Any court appointed community service would circumvent the child-labor issue. But community service doesn't address the restitution issue which as a second time offender is a legitimate element.
 
2013-01-30 10:29:57 PM

Supes: I'd rather the judge force the kid to mow the lawns of houses he tagged for the next two summers. Call it "community service."


That might work if everyone is nice about it, but you can't take the chance that some of the homeowners might see it as an excuse to bully the kid.  And yeah, you might call that "justice", but it would probably just make him into a worse person instead of a better one.
 
2013-01-30 10:33:03 PM
The only kind of job the child could possibly get is one that pays in cash.

In which case he would probably be guilty of tax evasion.
 
2013-01-30 10:34:39 PM
When I was in 6th grade A friend and I got caught tagging the local school with chalk, yea chalk.  It would have washed right off.  Hell, they could have had us hose it off. No, they wanted to be creative with the punishment.

We had such nice phrases picked out like "get blown" and "Eat your mother"

Well we got caught and the police officer damn near destroyed the underside of his car driving over a curb.  No arrest, but parents made us clean it up.  Joke was on them, they though it would be funny to make us clean it with a toothbrush and scoring pad.  About 30 minutes of scrubbing work, not really that bad.

OK, what do you think happened? Now that chalk was gone and the brick under it is uber clean.  Guess what is still on that wall to this day?    Sometimes you do get away with a good prank and get an unsuspecting helping hand.

/For a long time it showed up really well after a quick rain or on really foggy days.
 
2013-01-30 10:34:45 PM
maxx2112: You're reading Fark, the show that does not advocate the cool crime of robbery!

true, my Cool-O-Meter barely registers above 3 MegaFonzies here.
 
2013-01-30 10:35:00 PM

URAPNIS: Vandalism. What a stupid crime to commit.



When in Rome, do as the Vandals.
 
2013-01-30 10:35:15 PM

URAPNIS: Vandalism. What a stupid crime to commit.


Double the stupidity factor when it's tagging in a way that risks the kid's life. I've seen kids looking 9 years old tagging a bus stopped in traffic at a red light.
 
2013-01-30 10:36:03 PM
FTA : The boy could "earn money by obtaining a paper route, mowing lawns, raking leaves, shoveling snow, baby-sitting, delivering groceries

This isnt the 80s grampa.

Face it, the kid's already a lost cause. Leave him to his video games and career at the car wash.
 
2013-01-30 10:36:07 PM

whatshisname: Why not just take the money from his parents and let them sort it out?


I assume this is really a shot across their bow.  After one year the parents haven't paid their little vandal's fine, so the judge is making it clear the court system isn't going to forget this or let it slide.  Basically the defense tried to play "How is the kid supposed to get the money card" and the judge pointed out that paper routes are an option.  The subtext here is "Pay off what your vandal did or next time I bounce him into juvenile detention for awhile."
 
2013-01-30 10:38:28 PM
Good.  He and his family had a year to pony up and he was given a break on his probation, and nobody did squat to solve the problem.   Time to pay the piper.

The judge is right; even little kids can do chores and be self-employed.  It's being employed by a company that's a legal issue.
 
2013-01-30 10:38:40 PM
Judge should have ordered the kid's parents to pay.  Believe me, if mom or dad had to crack open their wallet, this kid would never commit an act of vandalism again....or be able to sit for a month.....I've seen it many times.
 
2013-01-30 10:41:04 PM

Warlordtrooper: The only kind of job the child could possibly get is one that pays in cash.
In which case he would probably be guilty of tax evasion.



Not unless the kid makes more than 10K this year.  There's a minimum filing requirement.
 
2013-01-30 10:41:57 PM
This is ridiculous.  He's just expressing his artistic freedom.  Graffiti isn't "vandalism" it's pure, unadulterated creativity!  How dare you 1%ers try to force your "civil behavior" and other nonsense on this lad!
 
2013-01-30 10:49:27 PM
I see there's a douchebag lawyer involved in this.
 
2013-01-30 10:56:05 PM
I had a newspaper route when I was a kid. Here's what I remember about it:

1) Customers were jackasses. I was required to deliver my papers before school. If I didn't deliver my papers on time, the customers complained to the office and they docked my pay for each complaint. Guess what happened when the office failed to deliver the papers to me before school started (which happened at least once per week)? Didn't matter how often or how patiently or how beggingly I described the situation, the customers complained and the office docked my pay.

2) The office was run by a dick. One of the most telling moments in my career as a deliverer was when I went to the office and the kid ahead of me had a shoe-box with a couple of dollars in it. The office kept pressing him for a hundred dollar fee that he owed them. The kid didn't have shiat. He was a farking kid and they were the mafia to him.

3) One year it snowed so bad that I couldn't actually lift my feet over the snow, i just kind of pushed through it. Guess what happened on the same day? Yeah, the paper was so thick with ads that I couldn't fit more than five in my jackass carrier sack. This was the bag that normally held a hundred papers.


FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUdge newspaper industry, I will never ever ever allow my children to deliver newspapers. Thank dog it's a dead medium.

/p.s. those farkers promised me a scholarship if I delivered during my HS years and then backed out at the last minute so FARK THEM
 
2013-01-30 10:56:25 PM

balisane: Good.  He and his family had a year to pony up and he was given a break on his probation, and nobody did squat to solve the problem.   Time to pay the piper.

The judge is right; even little kids can do chores and be self-employed.  It's being employed by a company that's a legal issue.


So tell me roughly how you could pay off a, say, $450 fine with a sporadic $3-an-hour babysitting job.  If the state legally allows you to get a babysitting license.

The judge isn't using 'tough love', he's an idiot who isn't realizing that it's  not the eighties, and you  can't just go out and get a job anymore. There's grown adults willing to do those jobs he mentioned for the same pay. Who's going to bother hiring a kid when there's a nice woman with an AA in child psych willing to babysit?
 
2013-01-30 10:59:02 PM
That's just the way it is, some things will never change.
 
2013-01-30 11:04:48 PM
maybe the judge should allow the victims to go to the kids house and 'tag' all his personal possessions and his parents car then call it even steven. it's sad the boys parent(s)/guardian did not make him go out and earn money doing chores on the block during year one. shows how little they give a damn.
 
2013-01-30 11:06:14 PM
I feel like I'm takkng crazy pills.
 
2013-01-30 11:10:58 PM
WTF? It's behind a registration wall?
 
2013-01-30 11:11:33 PM
I wouldn't want that little fiend babysitting my dogs, but I'd pay him minimum wage to do my yardwork.

I would have made my son hate life after his first offense. Actions have consequences. I didn't have a shred of sympathy for that little asshole who got caned in Singapore years ago.

I am ok with this judgement.
 
2013-01-30 11:12:32 PM
dogwalker

mow lawns

shovel snow

collect cans and bottles

allowance ($10 a week, and I was getting that 20 years ago, is half the money right there)

start moving, prick
 
2013-01-30 11:12:47 PM
chances are this judge was a goth in his youth
 
2013-01-30 11:14:07 PM

SpdrJay: Court ordered child labor is still forced child labor....


He could have not taken the plea.
 
2013-01-30 11:16:10 PM

freetomato: I would have made my son hate life after his first offense. Actions have consequences

.

Hrm, I'll play Devil's Advocate here.

What is the consequence for the father who ruins his son's life over a trifle?
 
2013-01-30 11:17:07 PM
Kid should try selling cocaine.  He'll make some money. He'll learn the metric system.  He'll get life experience.

/why i don't work as a high school guidance counsellor...anymore
 
2013-01-30 11:18:34 PM
I really don't have a problem with this.  If he was able to commit the crime, he should be able to make restitution.  If he doesn't come up with the money in a few months, throw his lazy little ass in juvie AND bill mom and dad directly.
 
2013-01-30 11:26:40 PM

PsiChick: balisane: Good.  He and his family had a year to pony up and he was given a break on his probation, and nobody did squat to solve the problem.   Time to pay the piper.

The judge is right; even little kids can do chores and be self-employed.  It's being employed by a company that's a legal issue.

So tell me roughly how you could pay off a, say, $450 fine with a sporadic $3-an-hour babysitting job.  If the state legally allows you to get a babysitting license.

The judge isn't using 'tough love', he's an idiot who isn't realizing that it's  not the eighties, and you  can't just go out and get a job anymore. There's grown adults willing to do those jobs he mentioned for the same pay. Who's going to bother hiring a kid when there's a nice woman with an AA in child psych willing to babysit?


He can work for family members and friends, doing whatever they trust him to do. Making restitution sometimes takes creativity and effort. He can bake cookiees and sell them, or plant flower bulbs. The neighborhood needs some service; let the family figure it out.
 
2013-01-30 11:30:11 PM
The boy could "earn money by obtaining a paper route, mowing lawns, raking leaves, shoveling snow, baby-sitting, delivering groceries, or by recycling items upon which a deposit had been paid" and state law permits children as young as nine years old the freedom to work as a newspaper delivery person, Meade wrote.

Ah yes, the tenure of judges. Hell, I'd be OK with a place where kids could do this and make a profit of sorts, where penny-whistles and candies cost a solid Buffalo nickel. But I (Kinda sadly) don't get the morning and evening edition anymore. I get my milk (totally raw, great, and illegal) from a post-hippie commune (hm, that could work), not my dedicated milkman (in the spring the milk tasted TERRIBLE,due to the cows eating all the spring onions) and recycling? CITY-Wide projects don't make a big profit on that. Although, he could get a 'green' benefit on that...do those exist?

Slave labor in the gulag, then...gulag. He'll be fine.
 
2013-01-30 11:30:30 PM
Good, since the parents of the kid didnt make it whole, let him work it off.  I cut lawns at his age for extra cash when I was his age.  Not sure about the paper route, do kids still do that these days?

/my lawn isnt even that old...
 
2013-01-30 11:31:13 PM
See, basically, he said, "arbeit macht frei ," except in English.
 
2013-01-30 11:32:29 PM
Igor Jakovsky: I cut lawns at his age for extra cash when I was his age.you said "his age" twice
 
2013-01-30 11:32:51 PM

robodog: Uh, bad move by the judge since he's probably telling the kid to find someone to break child labor laws. I know in Ohio you can't legally hire someone under 14 and kids 14-15 can't work past 7pm while school is in session. While it's unlikely that you'd ever be prosecuted for say hiring a baby sitter under 16 to watch your kids past 7pm, it's really not something a sitting judge should be promoting.


Guess what you DON'T know?

shiat about casual labor, farm, or family business labor laws in Ohio.
 
2013-01-30 11:33:06 PM
How dare he say that to my little snowflake.
 
2013-01-30 11:34:47 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Kid should try selling cocaine.  He'll make some money. He'll learn the metric system.  He'll get life experience.

/why i don't work as a high school guidance counsellor...anymore


Freebase some coke and you can do anything!*

*poorly and for <20 minutes
 
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