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(Salon)   Mafia-like groups of men known as "modesty squads" use threats of violence to enforce religious customs in Tehran. I'm sorry, did I say "Tehran?" I meant Brooklyn   (salon.com) divider line 283
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2013-01-30 07:31:57 PM  
The thing that really makes me angry about stuff like this is that women are always the target, whether it is the Christians, the Muslims, or the Jews. The Muslims do it with greater severity and greater numbers than these guys but the fact this is happening in Brooklyn and the sheer arrogance of it all is shocking.
 
2013-01-30 07:32:18 PM  
People allow others to just come into their business, threaten them and walk away?  I'm pretty sure I'd tell them about my particular set of skills, and that if they forget about causing my store harm and walk away, that will be the end of it.  But if anything happens to my store, I will find them.. and I will kill them.
 
2013-01-30 07:32:26 PM  
If their males cannot handle a little difference in clothes what is to stop them from turning into what we see in some in Egypt, India etc. [where they cannot handle women reporters without rape] ? Do you even lift bro's? Do their brains even lift the "weights" of sexiness, Bro? They will breed mind wimpiness.
 
2013-01-30 07:34:47 PM  

Calmamity: believing that an uncovered head or a skirt that reveals too much will arouse the sexual attention of men and boys.

Any society that can't manage to raise it's men to understand that rape is a bad thing and makes it the women's problem can go fu*k itself.


The interesting thing about these sort of religious/cultural rules is how poorly it paints men - which is surprising given how it is usually men that had control of setting up the rules, and made them basically read "men are animals that can't control themselves so women should hide themselves away to avoid provoking us".
 
2013-01-30 07:38:06 PM  

xria: Calmamity: believing that an uncovered head or a skirt that reveals too much will arouse the sexual attention of men and boys.

Any society that can't manage to raise it's men to understand that rape is a bad thing and makes it the women's problem can go fu*k itself.

The interesting thing about these sort of religious/cultural rules is how poorly it paints men - which is surprising given how it is usually men that had control of setting up the rules, and made them basically read "men are animals that can't control themselves so women should hide themselves away to avoid provoking us".


And yet they fail to see the irony that their perceived moral superiority in upholding rules so fastidiously is exactly this right here -- that they're little more than drooling savages unable to control even their most base impulses.
 
2013-01-30 07:39:38 PM  

pxlboy: xria: Calmamity: believing that an uncovered head or a skirt that reveals too much will arouse the sexual attention of men and boys.

Any society that can't manage to raise it's men to understand that rape is a bad thing and makes it the women's problem can go fu*k itself.

The interesting thing about these sort of religious/cultural rules is how poorly it paints men - which is surprising given how it is usually men that had control of setting up the rules, and made them basically read "men are animals that can't control themselves so women should hide themselves away to avoid provoking us".

And yet they fail to see the irony that their perceived moral superiority in upholding rules so fastidiously is exactly this right here -- that they're little more than drooling savages unable to control even their most base impulses.


It's to keep them in the faith.

If one can be a good human being without God, well, what use is religion then?
 
2013-01-30 07:43:02 PM  

meat0918: pxlboy: xria: Calmamity: believing that an uncovered head or a skirt that reveals too much will arouse the sexual attention of men and boys.

Any society that can't manage to raise it's men to understand that rape is a bad thing and makes it the women's problem can go fu*k itself.

The interesting thing about these sort of religious/cultural rules is how poorly it paints men - which is surprising given how it is usually men that had control of setting up the rules, and made them basically read "men are animals that can't control themselves so women should hide themselves away to avoid provoking us".

And yet they fail to see the irony that their perceived moral superiority in upholding rules so fastidiously is exactly this right here -- that they're little more than drooling savages unable to control even their most base impulses.

It's to keep them in the faith.

If one can be a good human being without God, well, what use is religion then?


They don't see it that way. The idea of a cold, dispassionate, and godless universe is scary. I had this conversation with my dad. For people like him, the belief that he will be reunited with my mother after death is all that keeps him going.

It's sad to watch.
 
2013-01-30 07:52:40 PM  
I enjoy immodest juden

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-30 07:55:29 PM  
"They're considered crazy, but people don't want to confront them."

oblig ...  you know who else they thought was crazy but didn't want to confront ?
 
2013-01-30 07:58:28 PM  

pxlboy: xria: Calmamity: believing that an uncovered head or a skirt that reveals too much will arouse the sexual attention of men and boys.

Any society that can't manage to raise it's men to understand that rape is a bad thing and makes it the women's problem can go fu*k itself.

The interesting thing about these sort of religious/cultural rules is how poorly it paints men - which is surprising given how it is usually men that had control of setting up the rules, and made them basically read "men are animals that can't control themselves so women should hide themselves away to avoid provoking us".

And yet they fail to see the irony that their perceived moral superiority in upholding rules so fastidiously is exactly this right here -- that they're little more than drooling savages unable to control even their most base impulses.


That's the problem with extreme paternalistic societies. Women end up getting viewed as objects that are OK to rape. So, they objectify them even more and make them look like a tree or shrubbery or something less rapable. Can't have MY daughter being raped, it ruins the property value.
 
2013-01-30 08:00:35 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: IgG4: It's not just communities blocking bike lanes, these guys are threatening and shaking people down.

http://jezebel.com/5980135/the-modesty-mafia-are-coming-for-your-man ne quins-and-ipads

They don't have addresses, eh? Looks like a job for Anonymous.

I'd like to see them try intimidating a female IDF.


I'd like to see them locked up.  Arrest these schmucks and prosecute them to the full extent of the law.  And toss in hate crime and conspiracy charges as well.

Seriously, fark these guys.
 
2013-01-30 08:01:56 PM  
maybe they can do something about the guys waling around with there ass hanging out around here.....
 
2013-01-30 08:07:07 PM  

Diogenes: Why can't they just hire women to touch these modesty guys?  Don't they turn into ash or something?


www.pbs.org
Strap them to a chair and make them watch midget donkey porn until they get over the whole "modesty" thing.

And/or hire prostitutes to have sex with them.  Whatever it takes to fix whatever is broken in their brains.
 
2013-01-30 08:07:13 PM  
It'd be a good time to kidnap a half dozen of these tards and drop them off in the middle of Mardi gras or fantasy fest. High comedy gold that would be.
 
2013-01-30 08:07:27 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Seriously goddamn THIS. What's up with the total abdication of male responsibility in middle eastern religions?


Hindu is ME now?

As for the article, fark these clowns.
 
2013-01-30 08:09:59 PM  

gja: Extremism and extremist behavior is at the root of most ills infecting society today.
Funny how many keep forgetting every person born came into this world in the same manner.
And we will all eventually die, there are no exceptions.
But by all means, let's continue treating each other like crap...cause, you know, we're different and all.

/smh


If your religion has taught you that you are going to live forever, you have nothing to lose by treating other people like crap. Particularly if your god has told you you'll go to hell if you don't.
 
2013-01-30 08:11:03 PM  

kid_icarus: Fark needs modesty squads.


It's just gonna be a bunch of old dudes just strolling along, asking Farkers why are they not drinking beer and eating bacon, and if they are drinking beer, they'll be questioning the origin of said beer (If it's not a stout, why is it not of some microbrew/homebrewed placed, etc), and if you're in a wooden chair and pantsless, they'll be horrified at the notion.
 
2013-01-30 08:11:20 PM  

ashinmytomatoes: The thing that really makes me angry about stuff like this is that women are always the target, whether it is the Christians, the Muslims, or the Jews. The Muslims do it with greater severity and greater numbers than these guys but the fact this is happening in Brooklyn and the sheer arrogance of it all is shocking.


These cowards are dicks to their own men when they don't do the right thing too.
 
2013-01-30 08:13:37 PM  

LrdPhoenix: FlashHarry: LrdPhoenix: FlashHarry: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So you could say the Hasidic are base?

the base? as in "al qaeda?"

I'm pretty sure he's making an acid/base joke here.

dammit. that's funny, and i farking missed it.

*hangs head in shame*

apropos of nothing, i saw a construction truck today with the name "putzmeister" on it. in yiddish, woudlnt' that mean "penis master?"

It's a German concrete pump company "Plaster Master." In Yiddish it would be "penis master" though.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putzmeister


No, no, no. Plaster Master rules Bartertown!
 
2013-01-30 08:16:14 PM  
I'm an orthodox jew and you'd never know it from meeting me based on what I'm wearing (especially now that it is winter here), though I do mostly follow sniut (modesty rules). You probably wouldn't know it if you spent several hours with me.

The orthodox jews I know frown upon these types of shenanigans.  Rabbis I know openly speak out against them.  This is a very small group and they are only given attention when their actions are particularly ridiculous.  When something like this story comes out it embarrasses the entire rest of the community.  99% of the Jewish community does not want to be remotely tied to these people (I certainly don't).  It is a super annoying and sad situation, but there isn't a good way to change it.
 
2013-01-30 08:16:56 PM  

liam76: Hindu is ME now?


Forget it, I'm rollin'.
 
2013-01-30 08:20:48 PM  

udhq: Dammit, don't give Mississippi any ideas!


You're an idiot.



You're an idiot and a bigot.
 
2013-01-30 08:21:18 PM  
If these nuts wanted to make themselves useful they could go hang out at Walmarts and tell the hosebeasts that their matronly upper arms are nasty enough, but did they have to slap a tattoo on that wobbly-ass flesh?
 
2013-01-30 08:23:12 PM  
also, you can check out failedmessiah.com for more of these spectacular stories that happen everyday that the news doesn't pay attention to.

If the media was covering everything the haredi communities there would be riots.  It is really sad.
 
2013-01-30 08:23:21 PM  

ukexpat: But of course if one criticizes these oppressive practices, one is branded anti-Semitic. Now where's that Gerald Scarfe cartoon?


24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-30 08:23:42 PM  
Middle Easterners belong in the Mid-East.
 
2013-01-30 08:25:31 PM  

Allen. The end.: No, no, no. Plaster Master rules Bartertown!


ok, that's goddamned funny.
 
2013-01-30 08:25:49 PM  

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: Vectron: I guess I'm confused. What is religious about them? Is the main religious tenets, rippiing off the goyim and fark anything with a hole in it? I have former friend that went orthodox. Years ago he was an arrogant asshole. Now he is an arrogant asshole x10.

I'm not Jewish, but because of my job, I've known several Orthodox Jews personally, and they've been uniformly wonderful, warm, caring people, who I would gladly defer to on matters of their own religion, even those tenets I don't agree with. It's not MY religion.

That said, there are child molesters and drug dealers in every community. Being born into a particular community doesn't make a person immune to stupidity.


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Orthodox and Hasidim are very different.  I've never had a pleasant encounter with any Hasidim.   They are uniformly vicious, hate filled people.
 
2013-01-30 08:26:06 PM  
ibetthejewsdidthis.jpg?
 
2013-01-30 08:27:07 PM  

SovietCanuckistan: Vectron: SovietCanuckistan: gja: SovietCanuckistan: Communist_Manifesto: gja: Doink_Boink: As an atheist maybe I should go around town telling women to wear less clothes, slut it up a bit.

Is it OK if I am Christian, but still want to support your initiative?

Totally okay, maybe this is the way we can all come together as one. Our slogan could be something like, "God or No, please dress like a hoe!" or something like that

Cleavage for Christ

Booty for Buddha

Mammaries for Mohammed

Keep it going! Let's not leave anyone out.

Tits Quim for Quetzalcoatl

I tried so hard to think of a dirty word with Q. THXMANG


Qunt for Qunfucius
 
2013-01-30 08:28:19 PM  

maxheck: Breygon:

gja: SovietCanuckistan: Communist_Manifesto: gja: Doink_Boink: As an atheist maybe I should go around town telling women to wear less clothes, slut it up a bit.

Is it OK if I am Christian, but still want to support your initiative?

Totally okay, maybe this is the way we can all come together as one. Our slogan could be something like, "God or No, please dress like a hoe!" or something like that

Cleavage for Christ

Booty for Buddha

Mammaries for Mohammed

Keep it going! Let's not leave anyone out.

Hooters for Hinduism

how 'bout for Wicca? or Shinto (sp?)?

Woo-ha's for Wicca? Slits for Shinto? Sluts for Shinto? Tits for Tezcatlipoca? Orgasms for Onari? Hotties for Haephestos? Cocks for Chronos? Just about anything for Zeus?


which is actually historically accurate, BTW
 
2013-01-30 08:30:04 PM  

Psycat: 2) all those clever devices and tricks they use to try and get around the Sabbath prohibition against work. There's a whole industry that makes special appliances that lets Hasidic Jews comply with the Sabbath laws in fact if not in spirit. There's even elevators in Israel that have a special Sabbath mode that lets people go up, but not down (going down means you're providing work to lift the counterweight). What gets me is the assumption that Jehovah isn't smart enough to see through all this legalistic nonsense.


How does that work?  How does the elevator decide that no one is in it when it goes back down to the lobby?
Weight sensor, infrared, specially hired watchmen who's job it is to sit next to every door and make sure no one rides down on the Sabbath?
 
2013-01-30 08:32:07 PM  

Karac: Psycat: 2) all those clever devices and tricks they use to try and get around the Sabbath prohibition against work. There's a whole industry that makes special appliances that lets Hasidic Jews comply with the Sabbath laws in fact if not in spirit. There's even elevators in Israel that have a special Sabbath mode that lets people go up, but not down (going down means you're providing work to lift the counterweight). What gets me is the assumption that Jehovah isn't smart enough to see through all this legalistic nonsense.

How does that work?  How does the elevator decide that no one is in it when it goes back down to the lobby?
Weight sensor, infrared, specially hired watchmen who's job it is to sit next to every door and make sure no one rides down on the Sabbath?


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Two words: Shabbos Goy
 
2013-01-30 08:34:16 PM  
Even in Israel people are starting to push the Hasidim back. Don't have to pay taxes, get free housing on kibbutz, legally obligated to avoid military service. It's getting on Israelis' nerves. Hasidic Judaism is just a central European perversion of Orthodoxy and due to their mass migration to Israel and block voting they have far more power than they "should".

Sell these assholes as much rope as they need to hang themselves with. There's no need to get in the way of these fellows, they'll do themselves all in given enough time.
 
2013-01-30 08:34:26 PM  

serpent_sky: The fact that they are threatened by a mannequin and its potential to arouse is disturbing on so many levels.


QFT
 
2013-01-30 08:36:32 PM  

Lollipop165: ChubbyTiger: SovietCanuckistan: AgentBang: Friend of mine joined the 14th Street Y in NYC because it had a gym and is close to where he lives. He is not Jewish, but it happens to be part of the Educational Alliance, a Jewish non-profit.

When he was checking out the pool schedule, he noticed that there were a few blocks of time where only women could swim. He asked about it, thinking it was a bit strange. They said that it's because they have to adhere to some Jewish standard or something that men and women can't be in the pool together. But they told him in a "Well that's just our policy" kind of way.

Could you imagine the fallout if it was a Muslim place? The NY Post and Fox News would be picketing and harassing the management post haste.

I went to a Jewish weeding last year and when I was introduced to the Rabbi, I shook his hand and extended my hand to his wife as well. I might as well pulled a gun from my coat.

To be fair, it's traditionally not considered polite to offer your hand to any female. You always wait for them to extend their hand first. This is not a Jewish thing (exclusively).

No, that's not why. A man should NEVER touch a woman he is not family with or married to.

AND he's also not allowed to touch his wife either when she has her period. She has to go through a cleansing ritual before she can be touched again.

I work with a lot of Hasids (NYC real estate). Most are pretty cool guys.... But I've learned not to offer my hand for them to shake.

There was this REALLY hot one who used to work shirtless in the construction of one of my buildings years ago. Yummy. We'd flirt but at age 25 he was already married with like 5 kids. But damn. I woulda.


When I lived in New York I rented an apartment in Bay Ridge and my landlord was a Hasid whose office was in Borough Park.  I wish I could remember his name.  You may have worked with him.

At any rate, I had to move back to FL in the middle of my lease.  Not only did he let me out of the lease, he returned my security deposit.  Decent guy in my opinion.  I had a couple of Hasids at my brokerage office that were decent folks also.  One of them used to try to get over on me sometimes but realized that I wasn't going to put up with crap.  My very limited dealings with them were mostly positive.  If I ever ran into the morality police though, I might have had a different opinion.  The Hasids I knew must not have been these Ultra-Orthodox a-holes.
 
2013-01-30 08:39:46 PM  
Aren't a lot of people in these communities on the dole?  Their extreme aversion to extacommunal interaction prevents valuable commercial contact and their welfare lists are really high.

So not only are they taking your money, they use it to fuel a backwards-ass way of living.
 
2013-01-30 08:48:06 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Aren't a lot of people in these communities on the dole?  Their extreme aversion to extacommunal interaction prevents valuable commercial contact and their welfare lists are really high.

So not only are they taking your money, they use it to fuel a backwards-ass way of living.


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The Hasidim of New York  have the highest percentage of welfare dependence of any ethnic or racial group.   In some of the all Hasidic towns, like Kiryas Joel, the majority of families are collecting welfare of some type...food stamps, section 8, etc.
 
2013-01-30 09:03:08 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: all the different flavors of sand people have one thing in common. they think they have the right to tell other people what to do.


Says somebody who is conveniently ignoring all of those pro-lifers trying to pass their pro-life bills.  The white person's religion is just as wrong.
 
2013-01-30 09:13:17 PM  

Arkanaut: gja: vernonFL: The Larch: Vectron: So you're telling other people how to dress?

I love the hats. Does anyone know if there's a coffee table book somewhere called "Very Silly Hats of Brooklyn" or something similar?

The hats are a status symbol, they are worn to mark how wealthy a person is. Those people are wealthy.

That's really humorous. They look like clowns. And that gear must be AWESOME in 90+ degree high-humidity summers!

They must smell like feet wrapped in leathery burnt bacon.

As I understand that's a leftover from their Eastern European days. That wouldn't have served them well in the Negev Desert.


There are an awful lot of "Jewish" traditions in the US that are anything but.
 
2013-01-30 09:13:23 PM  
A few years ago, I was at the public library in Upper Saddle River, New Jersey.   Upper Saddle River boarders Rockland County, New York.  The nearby town of Monsey, NY is majority Hasidim.      I needed to look up a book and was sitting at one of the library terminals that has net access.  A middle-aged Hasidic man sat at the terminal next to me.  He fidgeted around a bit, pointed at the computer monitor, and said to me, "You know how to use that?"   "You mean the internet?", I replied.   "Yes", he said.  Then he held up an envelope with a URL written on it and and asked me, "How do I find this?".   I showed him how to type the URL into the address bar.  When he hit send, it brought back a site on tantric sex positions.   I said to him, "Is this what you're looking for?"  He didn't answer.  I told him the library had a policy prohibiting viewing sex sites on their computers.  He said, "Oh, they are right about that."   When I got up to leave, he was still sitting there looking at the tantric sex positions.
 
2013-01-30 09:26:06 PM  

theMagni: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So you could say the Hasidic are base?

I want you to know that I got your joke. I don't know if anyone else did.

/studied a lot of chemistry


I got it too. My reaction was fairly neutral. :/

;)
 
2013-01-30 09:28:30 PM  

Fissile: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: Aren't a lot of people in these communities on the dole?  Their extreme aversion to extacommunal interaction prevents valuable commercial contact and their welfare lists are really high.

So not only are they taking your money, they use it to fuel a backwards-ass way of living.

====================

The Hasidim of New York  have the highest percentage of welfare dependence of any ethnic or racial group.   In some of the all Hasidic towns, like Kiryas Joel, the majority of families are collecting welfare of some type...food stamps, section 8, etc.



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"Hey guys, I'm from the future. Don't bother getting out of the boat. This is a big mistake.
 
2013-01-30 09:43:49 PM  
You don't have to be living in the 1600s to be a puritan, but it helps.
 
2013-01-30 09:52:49 PM  

miss jinxed: I'm an orthodox jew and you'd never know it from meeting me based on what I'm wearing (especially now that it is winter here), though I do mostly follow sniut (modesty rules). You probably wouldn't know it if you spent several hours with me.

The orthodox jews I know frown upon these types of shenanigans.  Rabbis I know openly speak out against them.  This is a very small group and they are only given attention when their actions are particularly ridiculous.  When something like this story comes out it embarrasses the entire rest of the community.  99% of the Jewish community does not want to be remotely tied to these people (I certainly don't).  It is a super annoying and sad situation, but there isn't a good way to change it.



Of course you don't want to be associated with those who remind you by their acts and words of all the mitzvah you break on a daily basis.
 
2013-01-30 09:54:22 PM  

SDRR: It'd be a good time to kidnap a half dozen of these tards and drop them off in the middle of Mardi gras or fantasy fest. High comedy gold that would be.


Or Folsom Street Fair in SF.
 
2013-01-30 09:55:34 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: miss jinxed: I'm an orthodox jew and you'd never know it from meeting me based on what I'm wearing (especially now that it is winter here), though I do mostly follow sniut (modesty rules). You probably wouldn't know it if you spent several hours with me.

The orthodox jews I know frown upon these types of shenanigans.  Rabbis I know openly speak out against them.  This is a very small group and they are only given attention when their actions are particularly ridiculous.  When something like this story comes out it embarrasses the entire rest of the community.  99% of the Jewish community does not want to be remotely tied to these people (I certainly don't).  It is a super annoying and sad situation, but there isn't a good way to change it.


Of course you don't want to be associated with those who remind you by their acts and words of all the mitzvah you break on a daily basis.


HAHAHAH, yeah, that's it.
 
2013-01-30 10:04:50 PM  

Cythraul: First Muslims in London doing this shiat, now Jews in New York City?


That's the first thing I thought of, that Youtube video of "British" Muslims (violently) enforcing Shariah in whatever neighborhood they declared "theirs".

I believe Nicomo Cosca said it best when he said, "No man capable of greater evil than the one who thinks himself in the right."
 
2013-01-30 10:07:46 PM  

Dr Dreidel: You're also not "getting around" the rule if a private concern buys I-95 from the government


Look, I'm a dumbass swede, and I can tell that's a sucker's investment if I ever heard of one. Buy I-95 from the government?? What's next, buy a punch to the gut from the local street-bully?
 
2013-01-30 10:33:06 PM  
I just had a brilliant thought- Naked PETA protest!  Think about it PETA.  You know you love the press it would give you, and for once people might root for you.
 
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