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gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-30 05:11:58 PM

jigger: IgG4: It's not just communities blocking bike lanes, these guys are threatening and shaking people down.

http://jezebel.com/5980135/the-modesty-mafia-are-coming-for-your-man ne quins-and-ipads

Of course, Satmar Hasidic Jews are far from the only insular religious sect to fixate on the myriad ways women should prevent themselves from inadvertently tempting men into sin.

"Inadvertantly." Uh huh.


What bout if the do it, you know....advertantly?
 
2013-01-30 05:12:19 PM

Dr Dreidel: Only when they make the news. The thing about ultra-Orthodoxy is that they generally don't want the attention. When you get fanatical enough, though any attention is good attention - and these assholes THRIVE on negative press, since their whole raison d'etre is "to fight against the immoral depravity thrust upon society by perverse monsters" in the first place. The negative attention feeds their cause.


Not to mention that they treat any criticism as anti-semitism. Basically, if you speak out against anything they do, they liken you to Nazis.

They'll try to play the whole Holocaust Guilt Trip card for the next few millennia.

I am not a rabid Fark Atheist who believes all religions should be banned or considered mental illness, in fact I'm theistic myself, but I find that all the Abrahamic faiths have an underlying problem.

They are built on the teachings of Semitic tribes (Hebrew or Arab) from antiquity (Old Testament) through the 7th century (Koran). Thus, they have the social values and morality of ancient desert tribes hard-coded into them, on the idea that was a good idea 2000 year ago is a good idea forever. Some things, like don't murder and don't steal, yeah, that's timeless wisdom. Don't eat pork or shellfish? That made sense before refrigeration and modern food safety, now it's just silly (unless you have a pork or shellfish allergy). Don't mix fibers of different cloths in the same garment? Don't serve dairy and meat in the same dish? Sometimes I think they were just trying to see what they could get away with.

If you actually read those scriptures, the God of Abraham is an asshole. The main reason I'm not Judeo-Christian is that I actually read the Bible. Jehovah is a jerkass god.

Why? Book of Exodus: The various plagues upon Egypt? So, Yahweh thinks its fair to kill thousands upon thousands of children to try to convince a monarch about his labor policies (in addition to the other calamities he poured upon people who had no say in the treatment of the Israelites)? You'd think that an omnipotent and loving deity would have a wiser way of handling that (an angry archangel with a flaming sword appearing in his bedchamber one night to demand their freedom might be a start, assuming he had to respect free will and couldn't automagically make the Pharaoh just love them or want to be rid of them). What about the Book of Job, where in gods mad rush to torment Job to prove to satan that Job is virtuous, what about the other people (like Jobs family and his servants) that were killed?

He apparently doesn't mind his own people being sold into slavery, heck there are even rules for it, and it's explicitly commanded for slaves to obey their owners.

Basically, by their own scriptures god/Jehovah/Yahweh is a jerk who will kill you in a heartbeat if he's trying to make a point to someone else he cares about more than you. Yeah, all-loving god my ass.

Most followers of Abrahamic religions don't seem to realize that the god they have in their mind is not the one described in their scriptures. Christians talk about a god of peace and love who created everyone and everything. . .who spends the first half of the Bible not giving a flying fark about anybody except the Jews (and even then, he was pretty hard on them at times).

However, in the minds of these ultra-conservative religious types, they think they can do no wrong, they think they are justified by laws and scripture, so it's all justified.

It's a dangerous mix: self-righteous fervor, total lack of regard for ones fellow man, and militant zeal to obey an antiquated code of behavior that is radically out of synch with modern society.

These guys are to Judaism what the WBC is to Christianity and the Taliban are to Islam.
 
2013-01-30 05:12:24 PM

Kunks!: Psycat:

2) all those clever devices and tricks they use to try and get around the Sabbath prohibition against work. There's a whole industry that makes special appliances that lets Hasidic Jews comply with the Sabbath laws in fact if not in spirit. There's even elevators in Israel that have a special Sabbath mode that lets people go up, but not down (going down means you're providing work to lift the counterweight). What gets me is the assumption that Jehovah isn't smart enough to see through all this legalistic nonsense.

So much this.

As if god's going to be like "Good job on the loopholes, guys!"


It's OK if you do it throguh a hole in the sheet!
 
2013-01-30 05:13:11 PM

gja: SovietCanuckistan: Communist_Manifesto: gja: Doink_Boink: As an atheist maybe I should go around town telling women to wear less clothes, slut it up a bit.

Is it OK if I am Christian, but still want to support your initiative?

Totally okay, maybe this is the way we can all come together as one. Our slogan could be something like, "God or No, please dress like a hoe!" or something like that

Cleavage for Christ

Booty for Buddha

Mammaries for Mohammed

Keep it going! Let's not leave anyone out.


Anuses for Atheists!

Boners for Baptists!

Pudenda for Pagans!
 
2013-01-30 05:13:40 PM

gja: SovietCanuckistan: Communist_Manifesto: gja: Doink_Boink: As an atheist maybe I should go around town telling women to wear less clothes, slut it up a bit.

Is it OK if I am Christian, but still want to support your initiative?

Totally okay, maybe this is the way we can all come together as one. Our slogan could be something like, "God or No, please dress like a hoe!" or something like that

Cleavage for Christ

Booty for Buddha

Mammaries for Mohammed

Keep it going! Let's not leave anyone out.


Tit for Tet? Got nuthin' and juswatched a documentary on the Tet offensive...
 
2013-01-30 05:13:43 PM

LrdPhoenix: FlashHarry: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So you could say the Hasidic are base?

the base? as in "al qaeda?"

I'm pretty sure he's making an acid/base joke here.


dammit. that's funny, and i farking missed it.

*hangs head in shame*

apropos of nothing, i saw a construction truck today with the name "putzmeister" on it. in yiddish, woudlnt' that mean "penis master?"
 
2013-01-30 05:14:15 PM

meat0918: Fark fundamentalist religious zealots. All of them.

Even the Buddhist ones in Sri Lanka


Yeah, these claptraps tried to hide the fact that one of their "counselors" molested a minor and got sentenced to 103 years in prison.

And they're still trying to blame it on her because she was "rebellious".

/fark the zealots
 
2013-01-30 05:14:34 PM

gja: SovietCanuckistan: Communist_Manifesto: gja: Doink_Boink: As an atheist maybe I should go around town telling women to wear less clothes, slut it up a bit.

Is it OK if I am Christian, but still want to support your initiative?

Totally okay, maybe this is the way we can all come together as one. Our slogan could be something like, "God or No, please dress like a hoe!" or something like that

Cleavage for Christ

Booty for Buddha

Mammaries for Mohammed

Keep it going! Let's not leave anyone out.


Tits for Quetzalcoatl
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-30 05:14:45 PM

Ed Grubermann: Pudenda


LOL, I had to look that one up...snort, chuckle
 
2013-01-30 05:15:11 PM
Silverstaff: smart stuff

favorited.
 
2013-01-30 05:16:36 PM

Vectron: Orthodox leader Nechemya Weberman, 53, is currently on trial for allegedly abusing a young girl he counseled. Yesterday, four men were arrested and accused of using intimidation and bribery to get the girl to drop the charges.
Abraham Rubin is accused of offering a $500,000 bribe to the alleged victim, in hopes of getting her to drop the charges against an Orthodox community member who she says molested her for three years.........139 have been prosecuted for sex abuse since 2009

These people are sooo moral.


No different with zealots from the other religions; they believe they are holier-than-thou and thus they can commit whatever crimes they want to and when caught, claim "Only God can judge me."

Fark. Them. They're the reason why faith is looked at with disdain.
 
2013-01-30 05:16:52 PM
hitler doesn't seem like that bad of a guy now huh? LOL

of course I'm joking -- but they are in the United States -- freedom of (and from) religion are one thing these groups need to understand if they want to be allowed to continue.

So what if there is a higher concentration of asshole jews in a neighborhood -- doesn't mean the laws or freedoms get suspended so some thug jew doesn't get his beard in a tangle.

I wouldn't mind seeing some random guy minding his own business who gets hassled by a group like this to just fly off the handle and unlease some whoop ass on them.
 
2013-01-30 05:17:05 PM
What do if they catch someone rolling on the Shabbos?
 
2013-01-30 05:17:12 PM
Oh-so-devout people really paint their deity is a fussy, tiny-minded anal-retentive sex-obsessed asshole that must be placated by his followers by following a bunch of specific rituals and dress codes - like your typical human dictator.

It's really pretty insulting to a deity.come to think of it.
 
2013-01-30 05:17:59 PM
Frazier vs. Ali
Nixon vs. Kennedy
America vs.Vietnam

Be here for the next great fight..

Gheys vs Hasidim.
 
2013-01-30 05:19:48 PM
Silverstaff

And boom goes the dynamite, great summation.

UR2SMRT
 
2013-01-30 05:19:59 PM

Rwa2play: meat0918: Fark fundamentalist religious zealots. All of them.

Even the Buddhist ones in Sri Lanka

Yeah, these claptraps tried to hide the fact that one of their "counselors" molested a minor and got sentenced to 103 years in prison.

And they're still trying to blame it on her because she was "rebellious".


First Rule of the Abrahamic Religions: The victim is always the real villain. Especially of it's a girl.
 
2013-01-30 05:20:31 PM
Friend of mine joined the 14th Street Y in NYC because it had a gym and is close to where he lives. He is not Jewish, but it happens to be part of the Educational Alliance, a Jewish non-profit.

When he was checking out the pool schedule, he noticed that there were a few blocks of time where only women could swim. He asked about it, thinking it was a bit strange. They said that it's because they have to adhere to some Jewish standard or something that men and women can't be in the pool together. But they told him in a "Well that's just our policy" kind of way.

Could you imagine the fallout if it was a Muslim place? The NY Post and Fox News would be picketing and harassing the management post haste.
 
2013-01-30 05:21:15 PM
This should absolutely not be happening in the US. There is no place in our country for these religious fanatics.
 
2013-01-30 05:22:47 PM

AgentBang: Friend of mine joined the 14th Street Y in NYC because it had a gym and is close to where he lives. He is not Jewish, but it happens to be part of the Educational Alliance, a Jewish non-profit.

When he was checking out the pool schedule, he noticed that there were a few blocks of time where only women could swim. He asked about it, thinking it was a bit strange. They said that it's because they have to adhere to some Jewish standard or something that men and women can't be in the pool together. But they told him in a "Well that's just our policy" kind of way.

Could you imagine the fallout if it was a Muslim place? The NY Post and Fox News would be picketing and harassing the management post haste.


I went to a Jewish weeding last year and when I was introduced to the Rabbi, I shook his hand and extended my hand to his wife as well. I might as well pulled a gun from my coat.
 
2013-01-30 05:23:17 PM
This group is a menace.
They only have power given to them by the people they harass.
there are places there that you don't want to drive
and some of those are orthodox
but.. it's new york
fark 'em and the people who help wreck it
one election at a time
 
2013-01-30 05:23:44 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: Vectron: [media.salon.com image 620x412]

So you're telling other people how to dress?

Why are they wearing mushrooms on their heads?


Sounds like someone needs to photoshop Mario into that picture.
 
2013-01-30 05:23:59 PM

Ed Grubermann: Rwa2play: meat0918: Fark fundamentalist religious zealots. All of them.

Even the Buddhist ones in Sri Lanka

Yeah, these claptraps tried to hide the fact that one of their "counselors" molested a minor and got sentenced to 103 years in prison.

And they're still trying to blame it on her because she was "rebellious".

First Rule of the Abrahamic Religions: The victim is always the real villain. Especially of it's a girl.


And they wonder why I'm a spiritual agnostic: "Cause I don't think the big Brah upstairs would make us so meek that we can't talk back at our so-called "leaders" when we know they're full of shiat.
 
2013-01-30 05:24:04 PM
Israel is at the center of international trade in the drug ecstasy, according to a document published last week by the U.S. State Department.

Like with the diamond trade at one time, Jews have a virtual monopoly on the drug ecstasy. Production in the Netherlands is controlled by the Israeli mafia.
There is a movie about the hasidic smugglers.
 
2013-01-30 05:24:20 PM
"I have to admit, it's a major issue, women passing through here in that dress code," Simon Weisser, a member of Community Board 1 in Williamsburg-Greenpoint, told the New York Post.

Yes, it's quite an issue that there are repressive idiots like you in existence.
 
2013-01-30 05:25:07 PM
Ah, religion. You so crazy!
 
2013-01-30 05:25:10 PM

SovietCanuckistan: gja: SovietCanuckistan: Communist_Manifesto: gja: Doink_Boink: As an atheist maybe I should go around town telling women to wear less clothes, slut it up a bit.

Is it OK if I am Christian, but still want to support your initiative?

Totally okay, maybe this is the way we can all come together as one. Our slogan could be something like, "God or No, please dress like a hoe!" or something like that

Cleavage for Christ

Booty for Buddha

Mammaries for Mohammed

Keep it going! Let's not leave anyone out.

Tits Quim for Quetzalcoatl

 
2013-01-30 05:27:06 PM

Calmamity: believing that an uncovered head or a skirt that reveals too much will arouse the sexual attention of men and boys.

Any society that can't manage to raise it's men to understand that rape is a bad thing and makes it the women's problem can go fu*k itself.


This.

And isn't it a little insulting to men to imply that they are all so lacking in self control that they just can't keep it in their pants...even if the woman walking by is a 300 lb grandmother showing cankle?
 
2013-01-30 05:27:30 PM

SovietCanuckistan: AgentBang: Friend of mine joined the 14th Street Y in NYC because it had a gym and is close to where he lives. He is not Jewish, but it happens to be part of the Educational Alliance, a Jewish non-profit.

When he was checking out the pool schedule, he noticed that there were a few blocks of time where only women could swim. He asked about it, thinking it was a bit strange. They said that it's because they have to adhere to some Jewish standard or something that men and women can't be in the pool together. But they told him in a "Well that's just our policy" kind of way.

Could you imagine the fallout if it was a Muslim place? The NY Post and Fox News would be picketing and harassing the management post haste.

I went to a Jewish weeding last year and when I was introduced to the Rabbi, I shook his hand and extended my hand to his wife as well. I might as well pulled a gun from my coat.


To be fair, it's traditionally not considered polite to offer your hand to any female. You always wait for them to extend their hand first. This is not a Jewish thing (exclusively).
 
2013-01-30 05:27:40 PM

Vectron: SovietCanuckistan: gja: SovietCanuckistan: Communist_Manifesto: gja: Doink_Boink: As an atheist maybe I should go around town telling women to wear less clothes, slut it up a bit.

Is it OK if I am Christian, but still want to support your initiative?

Totally okay, maybe this is the way we can all come together as one. Our slogan could be something like, "God or No, please dress like a hoe!" or something like that

Cleavage for Christ

Booty for Buddha

Mammaries for Mohammed

Keep it going! Let's not leave anyone out.

Tits Quim for Quetzalcoatl


I tried so hard to think of a dirty word with Q. THXMANG
 
2013-01-30 05:30:47 PM

natas6.0: This group is a menace.
They only have power given to them by the people they harass.
there are places there that you don't want to drive
and some of those are orthodox
but.. it's new york
fark 'em and the people who help wreck it
one election at a time


Burma Shave!
 
2013-01-30 05:30:55 PM
NO SLEEP TILL
 
2013-01-30 05:31:33 PM
*Fark* Orthodox Jews? Thought this would be about Muslims.

That said, 110 years ago in North American, it was considered immodest for women to show the flesh of their ankles.I'm not so sure the booty shirts/shorts we see today are an improvement though.
 
2013-01-30 05:31:49 PM

SovietCanuckistan: Vectron: SovietCanuckistan: gja: SovietCanuckistan: Communist_Manifesto: gja: Doink_Boink: As an atheist maybe I should go around town telling women to wear less clothes, slut it up a bit.

Is it OK if I am Christian, but still want to support your initiative?

Totally okay, maybe this is the way we can all come together as one. Our slogan could be something like, "God or No, please dress like a hoe!" or something like that

Cleavage for Christ

Booty for Buddha

Mammaries for Mohammed

Keep it going! Let's not leave anyone out.

Tits Quim for Quetzalcoatl

I tried so hard to think of a dirty word with Q. THXMANG



*fist bump*
 
2013-01-30 05:33:13 PM
This is the fruits of multiculturalism. This is what happens when you let everyone think that the little culture that couldn't form a coherent civilization is worthy of existing in a culture that could.
 
2013-01-30 05:34:45 PM
Dollies for Dali Lama
 
2013-01-30 05:36:54 PM
Isn't it time for one of those big flamboyant gay pride parades through the neighborhood?

Seriously, anytime it gets to this type of mafia-ish activity those orthodox freaks should be stabbed with a frozen rasher of bacon.
 
2013-01-30 05:37:34 PM

atomicmask: is is the fruits of multiculturalism.


It sure am!
 
2013-01-30 05:38:32 PM
Or how about

Dolly's "llamas" for the Dalai Lama?

gawno.com
 
2013-01-30 05:38:40 PM
Sounds like someone should reroute a gay pride float through this neighborhood.

Also: being topless is totally legal in NY. Any Farkettes want to do some community service?
 
2013-01-30 05:39:07 PM

Dr Dreidel: vernonFL: The Larch: Vectron: So you're telling other people how to dress?

I love the hats. Does anyone know if there's a coffee table book somewhere called "Very Silly Hats of Brooklyn" or something similar?

The hats are a status symbol, they are worn to mark how wealthy a person is. Those people are wealthy.

As I understand, they're worn because "The Rebbe" wore one (the leader of each sect is that sect's "Rebbe". They usually replace him with his top deputy when he dies, unless you're a crazy Messianic cult). That's how the various styles came to be - most times, you see a wide-brimmed fur hat (the kind in that photo), but there are sects that wear a taller, more cylindrical-shaped hat. There are also ultra-Orthodox people who don't wear hats at all - non-Hasidic types, mostly.

They are expensive as hell, though - one wonders how a family barely getting by with 1 job, 8 kids, welfare and community support can afford $1000 for a hat. In that sense, I suppose there is a "status" element there - if you're the only Shlomo on the block not wearing a streimel, the chapsen will come beat you with tsimmes-soaked shmattas.



They are ALL on food stamps and welfare. Used to live in the neighborhood and all the women with their litters in tow carried EBT cards. A truly nasty and xenophobic people, for sure
 
2013-01-30 05:39:49 PM
what the fark?

even as someone raised jewish, I'm thoroughly offended by this shiat. I hope people in Brooklyn start taking up smartphones to record these threats and force it public. fark that corrupt shiat.
 
2013-01-30 05:40:16 PM

Vectron: Orthodox leader Nechemya Weberman, 53, is currently on trial for allegedly abusing a young girl he counseled. Yesterday, four men were arrested and accused of using intimidation and bribery to get the girl to drop the charges.
Abraham Rubin is accused of offering a $500,000 bribe to the alleged victim, in hopes of getting her to drop the charges against an Orthodox community member who she says molested her for three years.........139 have been prosecuted for sex abuse since 2009

These people are sooo moral.


Molesters gravitate to naive and vulnerable people, which religion and charity organizations have in droves.
 
2013-01-30 05:40:46 PM
FlashHarry:

apropos of nothing, i saw a construction truck today with the name "putzmeister" on it. in yiddish, woudlnt' that mean "penis master?"

I was always amused by the "Schwing" concrete pumps.
/ penis
 
2013-01-30 05:41:36 PM
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis
 
2013-01-30 05:43:44 PM

FlashHarry: LrdPhoenix: FlashHarry: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So you could say the Hasidic are base?

the base? as in "al qaeda?"

I'm pretty sure he's making an acid/base joke here.

dammit. that's funny, and i farking missed it.

*hangs head in shame*

apropos of nothing, i saw a construction truck today with the name "putzmeister" on it. in yiddish, woudlnt' that mean "penis master?"


It's a German concrete pump company "Plaster Master." In Yiddish it would be "penis master" though.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putzmeister
 
2013-01-30 05:44:03 PM

SovietCanuckistan: Communist_Manifesto: gja: Doink_Boink: As an atheist maybe I should go around town telling women to wear less clothes, slut it up a bit.

Is it OK if I am Christian, but still want to support your initiative?

Totally okay, maybe this is the way we can all come together as one. Our slogan could be something like, "God or No, please dress like a hoe!" or something like that

Cleavage for Christ


Have them do aerobics as well and you could call them Jiggling for Jesus/Jehovah/Jews.
 
2013-01-30 05:45:46 PM
Religious people ruin everything. Including religion.
 
2013-01-30 05:47:25 PM
Religion is a mental disorder.  Normal religious belief is sort of like a neurosis -- you should be viewed as someone with a treatable illness, but not discriminated against.  Fundamentalist religion is a psychosis.  When psychotic people threaten or harm others, we put them in institutions.
 
2013-01-30 05:47:26 PM

NutWrench: "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ― C.S. Lewis


Initally misready "tyranny" as "tranny"....was confused but liked where it was going!
 
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