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2013-01-30 03:20:35 PM  
Can we please stop with the 'we need to arm or ban' headlines.
They aren't very creative and are being way overused.
 
2013-01-30 03:20:40 PM  
It's getting hard to keep track of these. It's the new norm.
 
2013-01-30 03:20:42 PM  

Kyro: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 437x555]


There is at least one country in the 50-75 bracket, with the US being the only one in the 75+ bracket.

If that country in the 50-75 is at 75, and the US is at 76, then there certainly is a country to compare to the US.

Poorly done graphic is poorly done.

/Not that I disagree with its summary
//Just that the data it presents doesn't conclusively show what it claims to
 
2013-01-30 03:21:38 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: Some dipshiat on ABC15.com is claiming that this is in a gang area. Right, roving gangs attacking office complexes.



Yeah, every time I have a mancation/staycation at the Pointe Hilton Squaw Peak Resort, the thing that drags me down are the roving gangs busting caps in my ass and trying to "turn me out".
 
2013-01-30 03:21:52 PM  
They should make shooting people illegal.

Then things like this won't happen anymore.
 
2013-01-30 03:21:55 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Oh, yes, Somalia and Uganda have less than 5 guns per 100 people, that infographic is totally, definitely using a completely legit source with a solid methodology.


Uh, do you really think it would help the NRA's cause to be lumped in as a country with Somalia and Uganda? I'd say they're doing the paranoid crazies a favor by undercounting. It would look worse otherwise.
 
2013-01-30 03:21:59 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: styckx: Are we really going to newsflash every farking time there is violence involving a gun? For fark sakes.

Yep, until they get their way and the latest gun-ban-that-won't-do-anything passes. This is how it works, once a group of people decide that they want to do something they grind away and wear down their opponents.

Since nothing is going to happen, be prepared for another few years of news flashes every time someone dies. Unless it's a criminal, because guns are only used to kill innocent people. Amirite?


herp a derp derp

There's ~10,000 gun homicides per year. So where are the other ~25 threads for today, every day?
 
2013-01-30 03:22:12 PM  

Nina Haagen Dazs: It's getting hard to keep track of these. It's the new norm.


according to pro-gun farkers, it is. it doesn't even warrant a news flash!
 
2013-01-30 03:22:30 PM  

natmar_76: Clearly the answer is more guns.

Sadly, less guns is not going to stop this either. We have a violent society. We glorify violence in media. We've made the military the most important thing in the nation, and arguably the world. Our favorite sports are extremely violent. We still promote violence, not just in action but in speech and interpersonal behavior, as a means to ending disagreements. We treat each other with shocking disregard in every day life. Yet we act surprised when people act violently.

Gun control will not stop random violence. People will use other weapons, bombs, chemicals, or even hand weapons. Gun control is treating the effect, not the cause. The NRA has one thing right, and it's that people kill people (with guns, and bombs, and poisons, and knives, and even their bare hands).

When you change the culture, you'll reduce incidents like this. Until then, it will still happen.


SO MUCH THIS
 
2013-01-30 03:22:32 PM  
Clearly the guns are to blame, we should lock them all up right now!

What a retarded headline.
 
2013-01-30 03:22:43 PM  
So who is the first to file a grievance to HR for a

**takes off sunglasses**

Hostile workplace


YEAAHHHHHHHH
 
2013-01-30 03:22:57 PM  

netizencain: I wonder if this was in a gun-free zone.  That shiat works.


only 5 posts in before someone made this comment. ok, i'm convinced you people are just trolling me now.

\FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU
 
2013-01-30 03:23:21 PM  
As an office worker who watched a 20-minute "preventing violence in the workplace" video this morning, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

/Apparently saying "You're all gonna pay for this!" is frowned upon
//Who knew?
///Slashies come in threes
 
2013-01-30 03:24:16 PM  

d23: meat0918: TXEric: styckx: Are we really going to newsflash every farking time there is violence involving a gun? For fark sakes.

Helps the Fark agenda.

Which is?

//Hint: Page hits and ad revenue.

Fark agenda: Make you keep hitting F5 so you can see more snorg girls.


Just GIS Ashley Pridgen and you are good to go for life
 
2013-01-30 03:24:42 PM  
Also churches. We need to make sure every church has guns and firebombs.
 
2013-01-30 03:24:57 PM  

Kyro: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 437x555]


Awesome.
USA! USA! USA!

I have 4.
.22, .30-.30 , .30-.06 , 12GA Pump
 
2013-01-30 03:25:31 PM  
Bring back the farking death penalty, and I mean the real one, in mass shootings.
That farker from Ft. Hood, the waste of flesh from Newtown, that "joker" dipshiat from CO.

We know they did it. There is no reasonable doubt. Death! No appeals, no farking books, no movies, no interviews on tv, no last meal, fark all that, kill 'em.

The problem is there is no deterrent from being a murdering cock-sucker. If a guy can kill 26 people, 20 of which are children, and get 3 hot meals, a bed, heat, water, cable tv, and sell his story to the highest bidder, where is the punishment? I've been deployed twice, once to Iraq, once to Afghanistan, and farking criminals live and eat better than I did. That's bullshiat!

I guaran-goddamned-tee you that if those farkers were lined up and hung on the 50 yard line during halftime at the Super Bowl people would think twice about going on a killing spree. fark all this bleeding-heart "if we do that we're no better than them" shiat. We are better than them. We don't arbitrarily murder innocent people, and they have no place whatsoever in our society, bury the bastards and move on.

You want to see mass shootings and gun violence in general decline? Punish the motherfarkers who commit those crimes. In public. Permanently.
 
2013-01-30 03:25:55 PM  
So another crazy white guy shot up the place...otherwise known as day ending in "Y". And no, dont let us arm the cube dwellers. I'm pretty sure i work with people that would love to have a shotgun/handguns/Hunting knives in their cube to protect themselves from the evil doers of the suburbs our office is in.
 
2013-01-30 03:26:22 PM  
The comments on that site are priceless.
You've got the rational leftwingers and then you have the card(communist?) carrying gun nuts who want to join in the crossfire so badly that they wet their pants thinking of pumping some guy full of hot material.

/So we now will ban anyone over 60 from having a gun.
//And anyone that votes republican shall also be banned from having a gun.
///As per the mental health act that was just approved by the senate and congress and President Obama signed.
///Enjoy your jail time you republican facebook nutters.
 
2013-01-30 03:26:41 PM  
Locked offices could have prevented this.

Turrets mounted on each end of a cube farm that can sense speeding projectiles... could have prevented this.

Wayne LaPierre flying through the air on a cloud of Eagle Feathers painted red, white and blue... could have prevented this.
 
2013-01-30 03:26:43 PM  

FlashHarry: Nina Haagen Dazs: It's getting hard to keep track of these. It's the new norm.

according to pro-gun farkers, it is. it doesn't even warrant a news flash!


Well, they are all beginning to blend together. I don't think I've seen an original thought/comment/ response since the 3rd or 4th shooting. Sad. Sad and scary.
 
2013-01-30 03:27:00 PM  

Treygreen13: Seriously, do we need to have a News Flash for every gun crime?


Someone will start a "shooting channel", all shootings all the time, mark my words.
 
2013-01-30 03:27:20 PM  

JGolbez: Solution: Moar guns!

/Glad to not be 'Merican.


Then STFU
 
2013-01-30 03:27:32 PM  

styckx: Are we really going to newsflash every farking time there is violence involving a gun? For fark sakes.


I'm glad that this has already been covered.
Guess what, America is a very violent country. If you don't want to stick around, Delta is ready when you are!

I'm all for trying to stop the violence, but I'm not going to give up my right to inflict violence on someone who is trying to inflict violence upon me. When we've made significant progress towards addressing the lunatics, whackos, crazy people, and drugged up coke-heads, I'll start looking at packing away my small collection. Until then, maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to ensure that every office building has two or three people carrying, sane enough, and responsible enough to use force properly. Unless they're attacking a donut shop, the bad guys will beat the police to the crime scene every time.
 
2013-01-30 03:27:39 PM  

FlashHarry: styckx: Are we really going to newsflash every farking time there is violence involving a gun? For fark sakes.

well, let's set a threshold then. what's newsworthy? five shot? ten? fifteen? what's the NRA-approved number that indicates a "mass" shooting?


How about a new tab? Not a Gun? Second Amendment? Guns? Gunz? It could go right next to the Politics tab.
 
2013-01-30 03:27:48 PM  

rrife: Subby, I agree.


there would be a lot more people shot in the heat of passion. yeah, great idea.
 
2013-01-30 03:27:58 PM  

rickythepenguin: CheetahOlivetti: Some dipshiat on ABC15.com is claiming that this is in a gang area. Right, roving gangs attacking office complexes.


Yeah, every time I have a mancation/staycation at the Pointe Hilton Squaw Peak Resort, the thing that drags me down are the roving gangs busting caps in my ass and trying to "turn me out" yelling "Next time, stay at the Phoenician!"


FTFY
 
2013-01-30 03:27:58 PM  
My wife is clinic director of a PT clinic. Both she and one of the secretaries has a CCW and carries in the office. They had a patient come in one time who had a CCW and was carrying. Instead of anybody flipping out, they had a nice conversation about what type of weapon it was (Glock), how he liked it, and if he thought it made a good carry piece.

We've joked about making a sign for the door of the clinic that said "CCW and Open Carry Welcome Here" to counteract the "No Weapons" signs you typically in medical offices.

Here in NC the state will grant a permit to own a fully automatic rifle only under a few circumstances. One of those is to protect a place of business. I've daydreamed about getting a permit and a machine gun, but can't really justify the expense.

// Yes, cube dwellers should be allowed to be armed at work when properly trained and permitted according to state and federal law.
 
2013-01-30 03:28:03 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Treygreen13: Seriously, do we need to have a News Flash for every gun crime?

Someone will start a "shooting channel", all shootings all the time, mark my words.


On the phone with my venture capitalist now... thanks Karm!
 
2013-01-30 03:28:07 PM  

styckx: Are we really going to newsflash every farking time there is violence involving a gun? For fark sakes.


pedrop357: styckx: Are we really going to newsflash every farking time there is violence involving a gun? For fark sakes.

There's an agenda to be pursued here dammit!


Treygreen13: Seriously, do we need to have a News Flash for every gun crime?


WayneKerr: Is this really news? Why the Newsflash tag?



Translation:
i99.photobucket.com

There's nothing going on here folks. You people are looking for problems that don't exist.
 
2013-01-30 03:28:11 PM  

DownTheRabbitHole: natmar_76: Clearly the answer is more guns.

Sadly, less guns is not going to stop this either. We have a violent society. We glorify violence in media. We've made the military the most important thing in the nation, and arguably the world. Our favorite sports are extremely violent. We still promote violence, not just in action but in speech and interpersonal behavior, as a means to ending disagreements. We treat each other with shocking disregard in every day life. Yet we act surprised when people act violently.

Gun control will not stop random violence. People will use other weapons, bombs, chemicals, or even hand weapons. Gun control is treating the effect, not the cause. The NRA has one thing right, and it's that people kill people (with guns, and bombs, and poisons, and knives, and even their bare hands).

When you change the culture, you'll reduce incidents like this. Until then, it will still happen.

SO MUCH THIS


The problem with changing the culture is that no one can agree on which culture we should change to.
 
2013-01-30 03:28:12 PM  
CheetahOlivetti: Some dipshiat on ABC15.com is claiming that this is in a gang area. Right, roving gangs attacking office complexes.

And FTA we have this: "The suspect is a white male, possibly in his 60s." I doubt very much that this was gang related.
 
2013-01-30 03:28:13 PM  
If only we'd banned assault weapons...
 
2013-01-30 03:28:31 PM  
And I said, I don't care if they lay me off either, because I told, I told Bill that if they move my desk one more time, then, then I'm, I'm quitting, I'm going to quit. And, and I told Don too, because they've moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were merry, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Boston stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire...
 
2013-01-30 03:29:51 PM  

BHShaman: Kyro: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 437x555]

Awesome.
USA! USA! USA!

I have 4.
.22, .30-.30 , .30-.06 , 12GA Pump


Funny, I had the exact same arsenal growing up. Love the 'odd-6', but it was a bit much for gophers. I see Canada is hot-pink behind blood-red America on that graphic.
 
2013-01-30 03:29:52 PM  

LarryDan43: My nearby coworker wants to BAN all GUNS! His cubicle is NOT ARMED! Out of respect for his opinion I promise NOT to use MY GUNS to PROTECT HIM.


that's wise, because you'd probably end up doing more harm than good.
 
2013-01-30 03:29:56 PM  
I think it's a comprehensive issue that is far deeper than a single inanimate object. I'm looking for more of the motive side than the act. There seems to be cultural, gang, economical, and psychological issues at play that are far deeper and more widespread than simply access to metal. Let's look at them ALL (yes, including guns). I think it's just naive to focus only on one.

Destigmatize mental health? How about street lights in cities that are actually on and have bulbs? Maybe if we didn't glorify every mass shooter for months? Stiffer penalties for gangs along with a decentralized penal system which would separate them in prison (Oh you're a member of an LA gang? Welcome to Pedokah, SD penitentiary)? Stimulus for vocational/technical schools (no, not everyone needs to go to college or is a precious PhD waiting to happen) and encourage at-risk groups to attend, maybe even incentivize? Along with options like this, we can have reasonable restrictions to firearms like we already have, if you want me to complete a licensing test to show proficiency/safety yearly (for a REASONABLE fee, not like $10,000, but $50 is acceptable), let's talk.
 
2013-01-30 03:30:12 PM  
He may have left the scene in a white Kia Optima

Isn't there a five-day cooling off period for them?
 
2013-01-30 03:30:13 PM  
Hopefully they all watching the preparedness video....  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0
 
2013-01-30 03:30:14 PM  

wombatsrus: DownTheRabbitHole: natmar_76: Clearly the answer is more guns.

Sadly, less guns is not going to stop this either. We have a violent society. We glorify violence in media. We've made the military the most important thing in the nation, and arguably the world. Our favorite sports are extremely violent. We still promote violence, not just in action but in speech and interpersonal behavior, as a means to ending disagreements. We treat each other with shocking disregard in every day life. Yet we act surprised when people act violently.

Gun control will not stop random violence. People will use other weapons, bombs, chemicals, or even hand weapons. Gun control is treating the effect, not the cause. The NRA has one thing right, and it's that people kill people (with guns, and bombs, and poisons, and knives, and even their bare hands).

When you change the culture, you'll reduce incidents like this. Until then, it will still happen.

SO MUCH THIS

The problem with changing the culture is that no one can agree on which culture we should change to.


I'd prefer one where vuvezelas are in every household versus a gun in every household.
 
2013-01-30 03:30:15 PM  
People do get cranky when you take their leftover lunch from yesterday.
 
2013-01-30 03:30:18 PM  
Holy shiat you Americans are dumb motherfarkers.
 
2013-01-30 03:30:27 PM  

wombatsrus: DownTheRabbitHole: natmar_76: Clearly the answer is more guns.

Sadly, less guns is not going to stop this either. We have a violent society. We glorify violence in media. We've made the military the most important thing in the nation, and arguably the world. Our favorite sports are extremely violent. We still promote violence, not just in action but in speech and interpersonal behavior, as a means to ending disagreements. We treat each other with shocking disregard in every day life. Yet we act surprised when people act violently.

Gun control will not stop random violence. People will use other weapons, bombs, chemicals, or even hand weapons. Gun control is treating the effect, not the cause. The NRA has one thing right, and it's that people kill people (with guns, and bombs, and poisons, and knives, and even their bare hands).

When you change the culture, you'll reduce incidents like this. Until then, it will still happen.

SO MUCH THIS

The problem with changing the culture is that no one can agree on which culture we should change to.


Peaceful and salaries that are more equal rather than just the top people being comfortable is out of the question, apparently
 
2013-01-30 03:30:35 PM  
Maybe if we give the guns guns, gun owners will think twice before picking up a gun to kill people with the gun because the gun will pull a gun and gun them down before they can get the gun away from the gun.

You gun goofed, dun owners.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-30 03:30:49 PM  

Latinwolf: CheetahOlivetti: Some dipshiat on ABC15.com is claiming that this is in a gang area. Right, roving gangs attacking office complexes.

And FTA we have this: "The suspect is a white male, possibly in his 60s." I doubt very much that this was gang related.


Nope. It's probably "people walking on my lawn" related.
 
2013-01-30 03:30:53 PM  

justtray: Adolf Oliver Nipples: styckx: Are we really going to newsflash every farking time there is violence involving a gun? For fark sakes.

Yep, until they get their way and the latest gun-ban-that-won't-do-anything passes. This is how it works, once a group of people decide that they want to do something they grind away and wear down their opponents.

Since nothing is going to happen, be prepared for another few years of news flashes every time someone dies. Unless it's a criminal, because guns are only used to kill innocent people. Amirite?

herp a derp derp

There's ~10,000 gun homicides per year. So where are the other ~25 threads for today, every day?


When are you going to give me the cite I asked for in the last thread?

As for the "10,000 homicides, more than half of them are suicides and a large percentage of the remainder are criminal-on-criminal. But hey, OUTRAGE! I know, I'll spam the queue with all the automobile deaths, which should leave approximately zero room for anything else. Since we care so much about life and all, and we're not pushing agendas or anything like that.

Anyway, get me that cite, willya? Thanks ever so very much.
 
2013-01-30 03:30:56 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: styckx: Are we really going to newsflash every farking time there is violence involving a gun? For fark sakes.

Yep, until they get their way and the latest gun-ban-that-won't-do-anything passes. This is how it works, once a group of people decide that they want to do something they grind away and wear down their opponents.

Since nothing is going to happen, be prepared for another few years of news flashes every time someone dies. Unless it's a criminal, because guns are only used to kill innocent people. Amirite?



That might be an interesting comparison; I'm too lazy to run the math myself (and gotta GBTW) but what would be the numbers on innocent people killed by guns vs. criminals killed by civilians protecting themselves with guns? Not that any such info would actually change anybody's opinions; but it might be good for a "hmm!"
 
2013-01-30 03:31:11 PM  
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2013-01-30 03:31:13 PM  
This is why I'm nice to everyone at work. Doesn't matter if they're completely nuts or creepy. It also helps that I can work at home 4 days a week.
 
2013-01-30 03:32:13 PM  

CheetahOlivetti: It's not like this is a rare occurrence. My husband has witnessed two workplace shootings in Phoenix. One outside a transmission shop in Sunnyslope while he was on his way to pick up his mom when her car broke down, and one right next to his workplace as he was pulling into the parking lot. I'm sure he's relieved he didn't have to see this one.


Let me guess. Neither one of those was a Fark Newsflash? I'd bet neither was labeled a "Mass Shooting" either.
 
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