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(Talking Points Memo)   Wayne LaPierre: Background checks won't catch bad guys because they'll simply not buy a gun to avoid being caught. Sen. Durbin: That's the farking point, idiot   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 455
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2013-01-30 01:08:21 PM  
Well, perhaps Wayne will have a worse week than Se. Ron Johnson did last week.
 
2013-01-30 01:14:36 PM  
So the guy who argues for an unfunded mandate to have police in every school now has a problem with an unfunded mandate?

I'm really starting to hate this idiot.
 
2013-01-30 01:24:19 PM  
Actually Durbin shows his idiocy, since he actually believes that criminals are buying guns legally now.

I guess this is why the FBI crime stats shows that no crime occurs in the U.S., its the laws!
 
2013-01-30 01:25:26 PM  
Is there any greater shiatbag? None, none more shiatbag.
 
2013-01-30 01:26:04 PM  

Blues_X: So the guy who argues for an unfunded mandate to have police in every school now has a problem with an unfunded mandate?

I'm really starting to hate this idiot.


Hate someone? Buy a gun! Every problem is solved with a gun.
 
2013-01-30 01:29:23 PM  
Since the NRA works for the gun manufacturers, "people not buying guns" is a million billion times worse for them than any single regulation could be...
 
2013-01-30 01:47:30 PM  

Azlefty: Actually Durbin shows his idiocy, since he actually believes that criminals are buying guns legally now.

I guess this is why the FBI crime stats shows that no crime occurs in the U.S., its the laws!


Never has a criminal bought a gun at a gun show. NEVER
 
2013-01-30 02:39:25 PM  

Azlefty: Actually Durbin shows his idiocy, since he actually believes that criminals are buying guns legally now.

I guess this is why the FBI crime stats shows that no crime occurs in the U.S., its the laws!


I'm not so much worried about criminals to be honest. They usually try to shoot other criminals.

It's the crazies.

/my doctors told me I shouldn't have a gun, but I could.
//hopefully I'll be able to afford my meds next month
///don't really have a doctor or on meds, making a point
 
2013-01-30 04:16:29 PM  
LaPierre: 

johnryan51: Azlefty: Actually Durbin shows his idiocy, since he actually believes that criminals are buying guns legally now.

I guess this is why the FBI crime stats shows that no crime occurs in the U.S., its the laws!

Never has a criminal bought a gun at a gun show. NEVER


And THAT's why all anti-gun legislation is totally worthless! Worthless, I tell you! Not only will it never, ever, EVER work -  it cannot work! The very idea of it defies the imagination!

/ and that's why the NRA is spending tens of millions to fight it anyway
 
2013-01-30 04:20:28 PM  
Not to start a flamewar, but has the requirement that you sign for sudafed actually helped deter the meth industry or caught any decent amount of people buying an otherwise legal substance for illegal purposes?
 
2013-01-30 04:23:59 PM  
LaPierre only cares about gun sales.

He is a lobbyist for manufacturers.  Period.

NRA members should just send a check directly to Bushmaster, et al
 
2013-01-30 04:25:57 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-30 04:26:56 PM  
Criminals will simply not buy guns FROM GUN SHOPS.

They'll still buy guns.
 
2013-01-30 04:29:42 PM  

I_C_Weener: Not to start a flamewar, but has the requirement that you sign for sudafed actually helped deter the meth industry or caught any decent amount of people buying an otherwise legal substance for illegal purposes?


I heard that it has actually made a dent on meth production, but I can't find anything to back that up.
 
2013-01-30 04:31:07 PM  

I_C_Weener: Not to start a flamewar, but has the requirement that you sign for sudafed actually helped deter the meth industry or caught any decent amount of people buying an otherwise legal substance for illegal purposes?


What I want to know is why the right is okay with making you show ID to vote (a 'minor inconvenience for the greater good') but freaks out on a background check for a gun (a minor inconvenience for the greater good)?
 
2013-01-30 04:33:45 PM  

Aar1012: I_C_Weener: Not to start a flamewar, but has the requirement that you sign for sudafed actually helped deter the meth industry or caught any decent amount of people buying an otherwise legal substance for illegal purposes?

What I want to know is why the right is okay with making you show ID to vote (a 'minor inconvenience for the greater good') but freaks out on a background check for a gun (a minor inconvenience for the greater good)?


Because they're convinced that voter fraud is a huge problem and hundreds of millions of guns are not.

IOW, they're morans
 
2013-01-30 04:35:59 PM  

doglover: Criminals will simply not buy guns FROM GUN SHOPS.

They'll still buy guns.


That is a given. And the fact that some ( a lot, even) will be used in a crime is a given, too. But, a shiat-ton will also be confiscated when said criminal slips up and gets caught in a minor pot bust. Or a DUI. Or any similar petty offense. The requirement of a background check may not keep illegal guns out of the hands of criminals, but it will make it easier to confiscate said guns from the people who skirt the law's requirements.
 
2013-01-30 04:37:37 PM  

impaler: I_C_Weener: Not to start a flamewar, but has the requirement that you sign for sudafed actually helped deter the meth industry or caught any decent amount of people buying an otherwise legal substance for illegal purposes?

I heard that it has actually made a dent on meth production, but I can't find anything to back that up.


I was looking and the best I can find are advocates quoting "they say" stuff.
 
2013-01-30 04:38:27 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: LaPierre only cares about gun sales.

He is a lobbyist for manufacturers.  Period.

NRA members should just send a check directly to Bushmaster, et al


sadhillnews.com

I'm not joking in the least. This man has caused more panic-buying than a million Glenn Becks ever could have.
 
2013-01-30 04:39:28 PM  
That should take care of everything!

Because criminals never steal guns from a house.

Stealing a gun is illegal, too, so criminals never do it.
 
2013-01-30 04:43:21 PM  

I_C_Weener: Not to start a flamewar, but has the requirement that you sign for sudafed actually helped deter the meth industry or caught any decent amount of people buying an otherwise legal substance for illegal purposes?


I've heard it has, not sure where sorry.  The whole system for tracking people doctor shopping has become very advanced.  And its all linked now.  If you buy a 15 pack at Walgreens, you can't buy another 15 pack at Costco, CVS, etc. within the time period.

I run into this issue all the time, it sucks.  The allotment for personal use is laughingly low for people with bad allergies.  My wife needs to take one per day (Claritin D 24 hour).  They only sell them in 15 packs, and if I happen to take one myself every week or so... we've goofed out allotment.  So then we have to figure out which of us needs to make the next purchase, so we don't look like friggin' criminals.

Now, if you want to nab people buying 6 boxes a day... by all means.

/End rant.
 
2013-01-30 04:43:27 PM  

Azlefty: Actually Durbin shows his idiocy, since he actually believes that criminals are buying guns legally now.

I guess this is why the FBI crime stats shows that no crime occurs in the U.S., its the laws!


upload.wikimedia.org

You're a funny guy, Benny! I'll kill you last!
 
2013-01-30 04:47:09 PM  

I_C_Weener: impaler: I_C_Weener: Not to start a flamewar, but has the requirement that you sign for sudafed actually helped deter the meth industry or caught any decent amount of people buying an otherwise legal substance for illegal purposes?

I heard that it has actually made a dent on meth production, but I can't find anything to back that up.

I was looking and the best I can find are advocates quoting "they say" stuff.


Wikipedia basically says that each regulation of sudafed slows meth production and side effects from "pure" meth but that these are soon bypassed by the wily meth makers.  But it doesn't really cite to authority.
 
2013-01-30 04:51:01 PM  

BronyMedic: Lionel Mandrake: LaPierre only cares about gun sales.

He is a lobbyist for manufacturers.  Period.

NRA members should just send a check directly to Bushmaster, et al

[sadhillnews.com image 562x715]

I'm not joking in the least. This man has caused more panic-buying than a million Glenn Becks ever could have.


No, people, like LaPierre turning "we should look into common-sense proposals" into "I'M COMING TO TAKE ALL YOUR GUNS!!1!" have caused the panic buying.
 
2013-01-30 05:00:21 PM  

I_C_Weener: Not to start a flamewar, but has the requirement that you sign for sudafed actually helped deter the meth industry or caught any decent amount of people buying an otherwise legal substance for illegal purposes?


Indications are that it:

1. has a strong correlation with a dramatic reduction in the number clandestine lab incidents (page 15)
2. has a dramatic effect on large scale producers, but has little if any effect on small-scale producers

and that if efforts are coordinated with Mexico and Canada, North American numbers on the whole do in fact decline.
 
2013-01-30 05:02:00 PM  
www.bartcop.com

The NRA is right.  Clearly the answer is more guns.
 
2013-01-30 05:03:13 PM  

Azlefty: Actually Durbin shows his idiocy, since he actually believes that criminals are buying guns legally now.

I guess this is why the FBI crime stats shows that no crime occurs in the U.S., its the laws!


The responsible gun owner is responsible until he/she kills someone. Future criminal buy guns legally. And since we will never (I hope) turn this great country into a bad Tom Cruise movie or 1950's novel, we MUST take preventative measures.
 
2013-01-30 05:08:04 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: No, people, like LaPierre turning "we should look into common-sense proposals" into "I'M COMING TO TAKE ALL YOUR GUNS!!1!" have caused the panic buying


Well, let's be honest here. Blackphobia helped.
 
2013-01-30 05:14:25 PM  
Has anyone ever done a background check on LaPierre to gauge the history of insanity in his family?

/because I'm pretty sure there's some there
 
2013-01-30 05:14:39 PM  

I_C_Weener: Not to start a flamewar, but has the requirement that you sign for sudafed actually helped deter the meth industry or caught any decent amount of people buying an otherwise legal substance for illegal purposes?


Shhhh! We will have none of that here!
 
2013-01-30 05:18:46 PM  
www.bartcop.com
 
2013-01-30 05:21:02 PM  

impaler: I_C_Weener: Not to start a flamewar, but has the requirement that you sign for sudafed actually helped deter the meth industry or caught any decent amount of people buying an otherwise legal substance for illegal purposes?

I heard that it has actually made a dent on meth production, but I can't find anything to back that up.


From what I'd heard it worked for a little while, but the meth heads figured out how to make it in the single serve method which is causing new and different problems.
 
2013-01-30 05:24:48 PM  

Azlefty: Actually Durbin shows his idiocy, since he actually believes that criminals are buying guns legally now.

I guess this is why the FBI crime stats shows that no crime occurs in the U.S., its the laws!


Mmmm, if someone buys a gun at a gun show without a background check, how do you know if they're a criminal?

Note that in some states, felonious criminals can own guns while in others they can't. Also, I don't know of any state with criminals convicted of a misdemeanor or more can't own guns. So, it is possible for criminals to legally buy guns.

While someone without a criminal record who is planning a criminal act won't be caught by background checks. But, if we reduce the firepower they can have, i.e. military style weapons, large capacity magazines, armor piecing ammo, we can probably reduce the carnage some.
 
2013-01-30 05:30:01 PM  
Yep. We need to seriously enforce background checks and close loopholes at gun shows.

Suck it haters.
 
2013-01-30 05:31:05 PM  
Dear NRA,
Your biggest problem is Wayne Lapierre.
 
2013-01-30 05:31:06 PM  
yawn
not sure which is worse:
climate change threads or
gun threads

probably gun threads
 
2013-01-30 05:33:44 PM  
Anyway, it seems we might be able to learn from the sudafed restrictions to make a gun registry work to deter crimes. If that is road we go down let's make it effective.  Or it is just a waste of effort.
 
2013-01-30 05:37:07 PM  

AirForceVet: Mmmm, if someone buys a gun at a gun show without a background check, how do you know if they're a criminal?

Note that in some states, felonious criminals can own guns while in others they can't. Also, I don't know of any state with criminals convicted of a misdemeanor or more can't own guns. So, it is possible for criminals to legally buy guns.

While someone without a criminal record who is planning a criminal act won't be caught by background checks. But, if we reduce the firepower they can have, i.e. military style weapons, large capacity magazines, armor piecing ammo, we can probably reduce the carnage some.


Now Federal law is really fun to read, especially concerning felons possessing guns, ammo, and if the felon has been pardoned.

I'll step out of the Federal/State gun law discussion as the variables start getting silly, the laws probably need some work in cleanup and clarification, the ATF needs funding and teeth to enforce the federal laws and help states with theirs, and it's all hard work. :-)
 
2013-01-30 05:37:38 PM  

namatad: yawn
not sure which is worse:
climate change threads or
gun threads

probably gun threads


Depends on what side of the issue you're rooting for.
Agreed they're kind of stale and boring, though, seeing as how the issue has been settled for years regarding both.
 
2013-01-30 05:42:51 PM  

Blues_X: So the guy who argues for an unfunded mandate to have police in every school now has a problem with an unfunded mandate?

I'm really starting to hate this idiot.


Starting to?
 
2013-01-30 05:46:26 PM  
So, I haven't been following this lunatic too closely, but is he basically advocating that anyone, anywhere, can just walk in and buy a gun, no questions asked? Or just at gun shows?
 
2013-01-30 05:47:34 PM  
Durbin fails to get the point.
 
2013-01-30 05:49:09 PM  

LordJiro: So, I haven't been following this lunatic too closely, but is he basically advocating that anyone, anywhere, can just walk in and buy a gun, no questions asked? Or just at gun shows?


Person to person sales are where he does not want background checks.
 
2013-01-30 05:49:18 PM  

Azlefty: Actually Durbin shows his idiocy, since he actually believes that criminals are buying guns legally now.

I guess this is why the FBI crime stats shows that no crime occurs in the U.S., its the laws!


But it's a lot better to bust someone (and easier) for possessing an illegal gun, then it is to wait until they shoot someone or rob a store with it first.
 
2013-01-30 05:49:41 PM  

Saiga410: Durbin fails to get the point.


yeah... it shouldn't be hard to argue LaPierre yet he somehow fails here.
 
2013-01-30 05:50:14 PM  

Saiga410: Durbin fails to get the point.


I'm sure he's well aware of the gun-nut lie that 100% of criminals will just magically obtain them through a straw purchase instead. He just doesn't care because, well, it's a stupid lie.
 
2013-01-30 05:50:26 PM  

doglover: Criminals will simply not buy guns FROM GUN SHOPS.

They'll still buy guns.


Or they'll steal them from people who did pass a background check, possibly killing them in the process.
 
2013-01-30 05:50:40 PM  

Saiga410: Durbin fails to get the point.


No I think Durbin understands that LaPierre's only concern is gun sales.

/Did the comment box just change for everyone else?
 
2013-01-30 05:51:14 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Saiga410: Durbin fails to get the point.

No I think Durbin understands that LaPierre's only concern is gun sales.

/Did the comment box just change for everyone else?


It looks...cleaner.
 
2013-01-30 05:52:24 PM  

L.D. Ablo: That should take care of everything!

Because criminals never steal guns from a house.

Stealing a gun is illegal, too, so criminals never do it.


They must not be stealing guns from houses because it's responsible gun owners that keep weapons at their house and they would always have them locked up in a secure gun safe.
 
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