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(Mother Jones)   Obama, you're doing a heck of a job with your jobs council. How about we just let this die   (motherjones.com) divider line 59
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2013-01-30 01:16:29 PM
At least the president tried to create jobs. It's just the captains of industry on the council didn't understand that he meant U.S. jobs.
 
2013-01-30 01:19:43 PM
If only there was some way for people to interact without being in the same room.

Oh well, I guess we'll have to wait on an invention like that.
 
2013-01-30 01:20:53 PM
Because slash-and-burn and gridlock are great for the economy.
 
2013-01-30 01:20:56 PM

Rixel: At least the president tried to create jobs. It's just the captains of industry on the council didn't understand that he meant U.S. jobs.


Aaaaaand we're done here.
 
2013-01-30 01:23:03 PM

Rixel: At least the president tried to create jobs. It's just the captains of industry on the council didn't understand that he meant U.S. jobs.


A sound economy has jobs created from natural voluntary demand of human individuals working together. Economics is about human action, not something that can created through grand administrative design. Many of our Presidents have failed that understanding, despite them paying lip service to it.
 
2013-01-30 01:25:16 PM
I am so glad Obama has shifted his laser-like focus on to more important things lately like gun control and immigration. Because those are emergencies compared to the economic situation of millions of people across the country.
 
2013-01-30 01:26:47 PM

Deftoons: Rixel: At least the president tried to create jobs. It's just the captains of industry on the council didn't understand that he meant U.S. jobs.

A sound economy has jobs created from natural voluntary demand of human individuals working together. Economics is about human action, not something that can created through grand administrative design. Many of our Presidents have failed that understanding, despite them paying lip service to it.


A sound economy also has a robust government sector to provide stability in the job market and counter balance the service and manufacturing sectors that have massive up and down swings. All of our Republican presidents and this Democrat president fail to understand that.
 
2013-01-30 01:27:52 PM

k1j2b3: I am so glad Obama has shifted his laser-like focus on to more important things lately like gun control and immigration. Because those are emergencies compared to the economic situation of millions of people across the country.


Immigration does effect the economy, but I agree with you on gun control. I wish that issue would just die as the truth is massacres of children and others are just the price we have to pay to insure easy access to those tools of freedom.
 
2013-01-30 01:29:27 PM

Deftoons: Rixel: At least the president tried to create jobs. It's just the captains of industry on the council didn't understand that he meant U.S. jobs.

A sound economy has jobs created from natural voluntary demand of human individuals working together. Economics is about human action, not something that can created through grand administrative design. Many of our Presidents have failed that understanding, despite them paying lip service to it.


Is it really a matter of Presidents not understanding, or a matter of saying what the idiot masses want?

After all, we still have people pushing the jobs creators myth.
 
2013-01-30 01:30:55 PM

k1j2b3: I am so glad Obama has shifted his laser-like focus on to more important things lately like gun control and immigration. Because those are emergencies compared to the economic situation of millions of people across the country.


You're right. Obama should force the private sector to hire more. How? Who cares, we're biatchin' about Obama over here!
 
2013-01-30 01:36:32 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Deftoons: Rixel: At least the president tried to create jobs. It's just the captains of industry on the council didn't understand that he meant U.S. jobs.

A sound economy has jobs created from natural voluntary demand of human individuals working together. Economics is about human action, not something that can created through grand administrative design. Many of our Presidents have failed that understanding, despite them paying lip service to it.

A sound economy also has a robust government sector to provide stability in the job market and counter balance the service and manufacturing sectors that have massive up and down swings. All of our Republican presidents and this Democrat president fail to understand that.


We don't have a robust government sector? Are you serious?
 
2013-01-30 01:36:41 PM

nevirus: k1j2b3: I am so glad Obama has shifted his laser-like focus on to more important things lately like gun control and immigration. Because those are emergencies compared to the economic situation of millions of people across the country.

You're right. Obama should force the private sector to hire more. How? Who cares, we're biatchin' about Obama over here!



Pretty common right wing derp--"HE ISN'T CREATING ENUFF JERBS!!!"--In the same breath as "The GUBBRRNMINT IS TOO BIG!!!" --and not realizing the problem with that statement.
 
2013-01-30 01:39:05 PM

Slaves2Darkness: k1j2b3: I am so glad Obama has shifted his laser-like focus on to more important things lately like gun control and immigration. Because those are emergencies compared to the economic situation of millions of people across the country.

Immigration does effect the economy, but I agree with you on gun control. I wish that issue would just die as the truth is massacres of children and others are just the price we have to pay to insure easy access to those tools of freedom.


Exactly. It's either piles of dead children or the return of King George, choose one. know what I'd choose. Sorry, kids.
 
2013-01-30 01:44:27 PM

Rixel: At least the president tried to create jobs. It's just the captains of industry on the council didn't understand that he meant U.S. jobs.


The only sustainable way to create jobs is to create demand. The only way to create demand is to get money into the hands of people that want to buy what the jobs produce.

They seem to have tried giving the money to the financial class, but yacht building, cocaine and hookers are not enough to get this economy going.
 
2013-01-30 01:47:41 PM
Mr. Ernest Fox, chair of the Henhouse Protection Council, disagreed that the council has been ineffective.  "We provided several important policy suggestions to the White House, including the creation of a Fox Guard Battalion and a reduction in expensive, unnecessary chicken coop fencing."
 
2013-01-30 01:48:41 PM
Obama: How do we create jobs?

Council: Increase demand and consumption through greater Gov't spending.

Republicans: No.

Council: Increase demand and consumption through less regulation and
and gutting environmental restrictions.

Democrats: Hell No.

Council: Let's go home then.
 
2013-01-30 01:49:01 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Slaves2Darkness: Deftoons: Rixel: At least the president tried to create jobs. It's just the captains of industry on the council didn't understand that he meant U.S. jobs.

A sound economy has jobs created from natural voluntary demand of human individuals working together. Economics is about human action, not something that can created through grand administrative design. Many of our Presidents have failed that understanding, despite them paying lip service to it.

A sound economy also has a robust government sector to provide stability in the job market and counter balance the service and manufacturing sectors that have massive up and down swings. All of our Republican presidents and this Democrat president fail to understand that.

We don't have a robust government sector? Are you serious?


Maybe you have not been paying attention, but it has been in decline for the last 4 years under President Obama. Obama has lowered Federal government employment every year he has been in office and it is a drag on the US economic recovery.
 
2013-01-30 01:49:26 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Slaves2Darkness:
A sound economy also has a robust government sector to provide stability in the job market and counter balance the service and manufacturing sectors that have massive up and down swings. All of our Republican presidents and this Democrat president fail to understand that.

We don't have a robust government sector? Are you serious?



Check off the correct box:

The number of government jobs at all levels in the U.S. has

[ ] increased
[ ] decreased

over the past four years.
 
2013-01-30 01:49:28 PM

Rixel: At least the president tried to create jobs. It's just the captains of industry on the council didn't understand that he meant U.S. jobs.


It was doomed to start, as the government, this time the President himself, was interfering even more directly with private business than it usually does.

If only they had cut taxes.

//Am I doin' it right?
 
2013-01-30 01:50:46 PM

AcneVulgaris: They seem to have tried giving the money to the financial class, but yacht building, cocaine and hookers are not enough to get this economy going.


What about those stimulus checks?
 
2013-01-30 01:52:42 PM

DrewCurtisJr: AcneVulgaris: They seem to have tried giving the money to the financial class, but yacht building, cocaine and hookers are not enough to get this economy going.

What about those stimulus checks?


What the hell is a stimulus check?
 
2013-01-30 01:54:17 PM
Zeb Hesselgresser:
Obama: How do we create jobs?

Council: Increase demand and consumption through greater Gov't spending.

Republicans: No.

Council: Increase demand and consumption through less regulation and
and gutting environmental restrictions.

Democrats: Hell No
That doesn't make any sense at all; which regulations stifle consumer demand?.

Council: Let's go home then.


That's more like it.
 
2013-01-30 01:54:20 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Slaves2Darkness: k1j2b3: I am so glad Obama has shifted his laser-like focus on to more important things lately like gun control and immigration. Because those are emergencies compared to the economic situation of millions of people across the country.

Immigration does effect the economy, but I agree with you on gun control. I wish that issue would just die as the truth is massacres of children and others are just the price we have to pay to insure easy access to those tools of freedom.

Exactly. It's either piles of dead children or the return of King George, choose one. know what I'd choose. Sorry, kids.


I'm not worried about King George, I'm worried about the US Attorney General ordering up the jack booted thugs of the FBI to storm the homes of innocent people and killing them. Maybe you were too young to understand why a federal building in Oklahoma City was blown the up in the 90's or the effect it really had on the federal government.
 
2013-01-30 02:00:06 PM

Slaves2Darkness: k1j2b3: I am so glad Obama has shifted his laser-like focus on to more important things lately like gun control and immigration. Because those are emergencies compared to the economic situation of millions of people across the country.

Immigration does effect the economy, but I agree with you on gun control. I wish that issue would just die as the truth is massacres of children and others are just the price we have to pay to insure easy access to those tools of freedom.


You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once.
Robert A. Heinlein
 
2013-01-30 02:02:13 PM
Economy is hurting because of the downsizing of the federal government.
 
2013-01-30 02:09:25 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: S

Exactly. It's either piles of dead children or the return of King George, choose one. know what I'd choose. Sorry, kids.


Please go visit Chicago or D.C. and tell me how those gun bans are working out. Thanks.
 
2013-01-30 02:11:42 PM
FTA:

The jobs panel, officially called the President's Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, is made up of 26 important people from industry, labor, and academia, and was "created to provide non-partisan advice to the President...on ways to create jobs, opportunity, and prosperity for the American people," according to its website. But the panel failed to accomplish much over its two-year life span, and a lot of what it did turn out was more friendly to business than to regular people.


:facepalm:

Such an Orwellian country we live in, where the term "Job Creator" is tossed around as if they're titans of industry who wear the world upon their shoulders. This panel of "important people" were tasked with helping to improve the job market in the US yet we end up right where we started, with the "job creators" creating nothing but a better bottom line.

/I feel like a prole.
//The answer to my obedience is spiders.
///big...hairy...spiders
 
2013-01-30 02:12:39 PM

TimonC346: nevirus: k1j2b3: I am so glad Obama has shifted his laser-like focus on to more important things lately like gun control and immigration. Because those are emergencies compared to the economic situation of millions of people across the country.

You're right. Obama should force the private sector to hire more. How? Who cares, we're biatchin' about Obama over here!


Pretty common right wing derp--"HE ISN'T CREATING ENUFF JERBS!!!"--In the same breath as "The GUBBRRNMINT IS TOO BIG!!!" --and not realizing the problem with that statement.


There is no problem with that statement if you have a brain.
You can have a smaller, more effective government that doesn't get in the way of business growing and job creation and it could actually stimulate job growth.

Everyone said the economy would improve once the uncertainty of the election was over.  Well, the uncertainty is gone and the economy retracted.  What is worse is that includes all of the spending for the election in October and November.
 
2013-01-30 02:21:38 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: TimonC346: nevirus: k1j2b3: I am so glad Obama has shifted his laser-like focus on to more important things lately like gun control and immigration. Because those are emergencies compared to the economic situation of millions of people across the country.

You're right. Obama should force the private sector to hire more. How? Who cares, we're biatchin' about Obama over here!


Pretty common right wing derp--"HE ISN'T CREATING ENUFF JERBS!!!"--In the same breath as "The GUBBRRNMINT IS TOO BIG!!!" --and not realizing the problem with that statement.

There is no problem with that statement if you have a brain.
You can have a smaller, more effective government that doesn't get in the way of business growing and job creation and it could actually stimulate job growth.

Everyone said the economy would improve once the uncertainty of the election was over.  Well, the uncertainty is gone and the economy retracted.  What is worse is that includes all of the spending for the election in October and November.


Why did the economy just retract? Why again? Let's remember that government can and does effect economies. Government spending, you need to remember, is often in defense research, medical research, product development. It isn't all just wasteful regulators of policy--it's often economic investment. Cutting government spending along the conservative ideal is basically cutting government down so it's entirely ineffective against business. Even moreso than it is now.

I'm sorry man--I know you lean hardcore conservative. But that doesn't work all the time--and that's not even saying leftist socialism is the answer--but your ideal of America, one that government never interferes with business, is basically what we've been working to prevent for years, and we're still losing.
 
2013-01-30 02:27:03 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: Zeb Hesselgresser: Obama: How do we create jobs?

Council: Increase demand and consumption through greater Gov't spending.

Republicans: No.

Council: Increase demand and consumption through less regulation and
and gutting environmental restrictions.

Democrats: Hell No That doesn't make any sense at all; which regulations stifle consumer demand?.

Council: Let's go home then.

That's more like it.


Know what stifles consumer demand? Higher prices. Know what leads to higher prices? Regulations. By the communicative principal, regulations can stifle consumer demand.
 
2013-01-30 02:28:31 PM
I thought it was Republicans who had a "laser-like focus on jobs".
 
2013-01-30 02:29:41 PM

kmmontandon: What the hell is a stimulus check?


Economic-Stimulus-Payment
 
2013-01-30 02:33:12 PM
You Liberals are knocking it out of the park again


The nation's gross domestic product shrank declining at an annual rate of 0.1%

"Think of it as a giant hand holding down the economy,"
said Tim Hopper, chief economist at TIAA-CREF.
 
2013-01-30 02:43:29 PM

clane: You Liberals are knocking it out of the park again


The nation's gross domestic product shrank declining at an annual rate of 0.1%

"Think of it as a giant hand holding down the economy," said Tim Hopper, chief economist at TIAA-CREF.


I KNOW!!! Only a good conservative president could fix this mess by cutting government spending, amiright?

I have a feeling you also believe tax cuts don't shrink government revenue, either, don't you? It's just welfare queens?
 
2013-01-30 02:47:31 PM

k1j2b3: I am so glad Obama has shifted his laser-like focus on to more important things lately like gun control and immigration. Because those are emergencies compared to the economic situation of millions of people across the country.


1. The economy has already improved tremendously and continues to do so.
2. Immigration has a direct tie to the economy.
3. Presidents are required to multi-task. The notion that he should only focus on one thing at a time is bizarre.
 
2013-01-30 02:51:24 PM

k1j2b3: Debeo Summa Credo: S

Exactly. It's either piles of dead children or the return of King George, choose one. know what I'd choose. Sorry, kids.

Please go visit Chicago or D.C. and tell me how those gun bans are working out. Thanks.


Not that I'm typically in favor of gun bans, but you realize those laws were implemented after gun violence became a big issue, right?
 
2013-01-30 02:59:52 PM

Wayne 985: 1. The economy has already improved tremendously and continues to do so.


you might want to share your theory to all those people have quit looking for work, those that are unemployed and the people with declining wages and higher healthcare costs.
 
2013-01-30 03:03:31 PM

Wayne 985: k1j2b3: I am so glad Obama has shifted his laser-like focus on to more important things lately like gun control and immigration. Because those are emergencies compared to the economic situation of millions of people across the country.

1. The economy has already improved tremendously and continues to do so.
2. Immigration has a direct tie to the economy.
3. Presidents are required to multi-task. The notion that he should only focus on one thing at a time is bizarre.


clane:
oh yea, the economy is screaming back at a pace of 0.1% i guess if you want to get an MBA to go flip hamburgers Obama is your man.
 
2013-01-30 03:04:59 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Wayne 985: 1. The economy has already improved tremendously and continues to do so.

you might want to share your theory to all those people have quit looking for work, those that are unemployed and the people with declining wages and higher healthcare costs.


seriously. I mean, we should just give them free healthcare, right?
 
2013-01-30 03:24:14 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: TofuTheAlmighty: Zeb Hesselgresser: Obama: How do we create jobs?

Council: Increase demand and consumption through greater Gov't spending.

Republicans: No.

Council: Increase demand and consumption through less regulation and
and gutting environmental restrictions.

Democrats: Hell No That doesn't make any sense at all; which regulations stifle consumer demand?.

Council: Let's go home then.

That's more like it.

Know what stifles consumer demand? Higher prices. Know what leads to higher prices? Regulations. By the communicative principal, regulations can stifle consumer demand.


How dare the government demand less lead paint on childrens toys. Or making a factory clean thier waste water, rather than dumping it straight into a river to spontaneously combust. Or fracking until natural gas seeps into your well water. Yes all regulation is bad. Douchebag...
 
2013-01-30 03:46:48 PM

Citrate1007: Economy is hurting because of the downsizing of the federal government.


I thought cutting the military budget was widely considered a Good Thing(tm).
 
2013-01-30 04:00:11 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: By the communicative principal


Is this the same principal who caught sayof?

/Also, that's not how the demand curve works.
 
2013-01-30 04:06:49 PM

TimonC346: clane: You Liberals are knocking it out of the park again


The nation's gross domestic product shrank declining at an annual rate of 0.1%

"Think of it as a giant hand holding down the economy," said Tim Hopper, chief economist at TIAA-CREF.

TimonC346
I have a feeling you also believe tax cuts don't shrink government revenue, either, don't you? It's just welfare queens?


clane:
Why yes, yes i am: Texas Gov: Give excess tax money back to people!
 
2013-01-30 04:18:18 PM

Lurking Fear: Zeb Hesselgresser: TofuTheAlmighty: Zeb Hesselgresser: Obama: How do we create jobs?

Council: Increase demand and consumption through greater Gov't spending.

Republicans: No.

Council: Increase demand and consumption through less regulation and
and gutting environmental restrictions.

Democrats: Hell No That doesn't make any sense at all; which regulations stifle consumer demand?.

Council: Let's go home then.

That's more like it.

Know what stifles consumer demand? Higher prices. Know what leads to higher prices? Regulations. By the communicative principal, regulations can stifle consumer demand.

How dare the government demand less lead paint on childrens toys. Or making a factory clean thier waste water, rather than dumping it straight into a river to spontaneously combust. Or fracking until natural gas seeps into your well water. Yes all regulation is bad. Douchebag...


Douchebag? GFY pussy. I took no position in my original post. In fact I'm an advocate of reduced consumption in pursuit of a healthier planet.
 
2013-01-30 04:35:32 PM
No wonder the Jerbs panel didn't accomplish anything, it's full of CEOs.

Seriously, that sort of panel is more likely to lobby for larger tax breaks.
 
2013-01-30 05:12:48 PM

clane: TimonC346: clane: You Liberals are knocking it out of the park again


The nation's gross domestic product shrank declining at an annual rate of 0.1%

"Think of it as a giant hand holding down the economy," said Tim Hopper, chief economist at TIAA-CREF.

TimonC346
I have a feeling you also believe tax cuts don't shrink government revenue, either, don't you? It's just welfare queens?
nklnlknnjk;====
clane:
Why yes, yes i am: Texas Gov: Give excess tax money back to people!


Considering you didn't answer the question--I think you are missing the point. No one, ever, has stated they want to tax the people to anywhere near a level that is actually damaging to our economy. And honestly, those Bush tax cuts did jack shiat to jumpstart the economy.

I'm fine with paying in to pay for social programs, roads--etc. I don't find that to be waste. I don't find government investment in private industry a waste. I don't think the government providing work because it needs work done is a waste.

I think morons who believe tax cuts are the only reasonable solution to fixing economic woes are a waste. I think people who blame the President because as the economy is growing, it isn't growing as fast as they'd like. I think keeping people at a certain level of poverty where they have flush toilets isn't wasteful. I'm all for making money--I'm not for being selfish.
 
2013-01-30 07:42:33 PM

kmmontandon: DrewCurtisJr: AcneVulgaris: They seem to have tried giving the money to the financial class, but yacht building, cocaine and hookers are not enough to get this economy going.

What about those stimulus checks?

What the hell is a stimulus check?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Stimulus_Act_of_2008
 
2013-01-30 08:01:16 PM

Kibbler: Mr. Ernest Fox, chair of the Henhouse Protection Council, disagreed that the council has been ineffective.  "We provided several important policy suggestions to the White House, including the creation of a Fox Guard Battalion and a reduction in expensive, unnecessary chicken coop fencing."

 
2013-01-30 08:52:45 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Wayne 985: 1. The economy has already improved tremendously and continues to do so.

you might want to share your theory to all those people have quit looking for work, those that are unemployed and the people with declining wages and higher healthcare costs.


Considering he inherited what is now called the "Great Recession", got us out of it, and brought the unemployment rate from 10% to 7%, yeah... I think that's pretty impressive.

You should thank your president.
 
2013-01-30 11:10:40 PM
Obama Continues to Violate His Own 'Stimulus' Law by Not Releasing Quarterly Reports
"Have you heard much about President Obama's $787,000,000,000 economic "stimulus" (now estimated to cost $831,000,000,000) lately? In its last report, published in 2011, the president's own Council of Economic Advisors released an estimate showing that, for every $317,000 in "stimulus" spending that had by then gone out the door, only one job had been created or saved. Even in Washington, that's not considered good bang for the buck."

" the Obama administration is required by law to submit quarterly reports on the "stimulus" through the third quarter of 2013. By now, it was supposed to have released fourteen such reports. It has released only eight. The last one covered the period ending in June 2011. That's right - 2011. "

With only 58.6 percent of Americans currently employed - down 2.4 percent from the time of Obama's first inauguration - it's not surprising that the Obama administration doesn't really want to fulfill it legal responsibilities and release subsequent reports on its failed "stimulus." However, it hardly seems fair - to use one of Obama's favorite words - that the rich and (extremely) powerful think that they can choose whether or not to abide by the laws they spearhead and sign, while the rest of us are forced to obey them. "
 
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