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2013-01-30 01:01:24 PM  
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2013-01-30 01:08:16 PM  
The problem is Nintendo makes games that I assume kids can enjoy and adults can enjoy for the novelty for a few minutes and that's about it.  I sold my Wii because after a month or so, I just never used it and they didn't release any games that I wanted. Especially after buying the balance board and even losing interest in that rapidly. Their "all ages" enjoyment idea doesn't work.
 
2013-01-30 01:09:18 PM  
Uh, the Wii did rather well for itself, IIRC.  And it was way less powerful than the XBox 360 & Playstation 3.

The problems is that the Wii U doesn't seem to have any wow factor.  What does it do that puts the previous gen of the other platforms to shame?  Nothing that I can see.  It doesn't even seem like a huge step up from the Wii.
 
2013-01-30 01:14:20 PM  
My Wii has sat gathering dust since Twilight Princess because console game makers seem to have forgotten how to make adventure games. After spending $60. a pop on crappy game after crappy game I was driven into the arms of WoW and never looked back.
 
2013-01-30 01:20:46 PM  

SphericalTime: What does it do that puts the previous gen of the other platforms to shame? Nothing that I can see. It doesn't even seem like a huge step up from the Wii.



The new controller is neat, but it'll take time for developers to find out how to best use it.

Other than that....
 
2013-01-30 01:29:57 PM  

Blues_X: SphericalTime: What does it do that puts the previous gen of the other platforms to shame? Nothing that I can see. It doesn't even seem like a huge step up from the Wii.


The new controller is neat, but it'll take time for developers to find out how to best use it.

Other than that....


Well, the 360 already can do away with a controller already, so I'm not sure how revolutionary any actual controller can be now.
 
2013-01-30 01:32:48 PM  

quickdraw: My Wii has sat gathering dust since Twilight Princess because console game makers seem to have forgotten how to make adventure games. After spending $60. a pop on crappy game after crappy game I was driven into the arms of WoW and never looked back.


FUnny, your exact reasoning for leaving the Wii was my exact reason for leaving WoW.
 
2013-01-30 01:41:50 PM  

PapaChester: quickdraw: My Wii has sat gathering dust since Twilight Princess because console game makers seem to have forgotten how to make adventure games. After spending $60. a pop on crappy game after crappy game I was driven into the arms of WoW and never looked back.

FUnny, your exact reasoning for leaving the Wii was my exact reason for leaving WoW.


You left WoW because there are no good adventure games being released for consoles? Or did you just play the fark out of WoW for so long that you got bored?

Kids today. Think their game is supposed to be entertaining forever but get their romantic needs met from anonymous cyber chat.
 
2013-01-30 01:43:20 PM  
The underpowered console is what allows Nintendo to turn a profit on its hardware.

Xbox, xbox360 and PS3 all lose money on each console and the platform takes approximately 12 quarters to start making money.

Nintendo looks like they want to minimize their risk, but maybe with the Wii U it doesn't pay off.
 
2013-01-30 01:49:03 PM  

Rev.K: The underpowered console is what allows Nintendo to turn a profit on its hardware.

Xbox, xbox360 and PS3 all lose money on each console and the platform takes approximately 12 quarters to start making money.

Nintendo looks like they want to minimize their risk, but maybe with the Wii U it doesn't pay off.


Actually, Nintendo's Wii-U loses money per unit sold. That's why the bad sales of the Wii-U resulted in a loss for them.
 
2013-01-30 02:08:16 PM  
I think it's because they really didn't have a good series of launch games. Once they start pumping out Mario and Zelda games. then they can do it. They announced that a playable Mario game will make an appearance at E3 plus a Smash Bros and Mario Kart. They also announced an HD remake of Wind Waker as a stop gap for the next Zelda. Sales will go up with those.

/Should have done Majora's Mask in HD.
//Maybe on 3DS
 
2013-01-30 02:15:30 PM  

quickdraw: PapaChester: quickdraw: My Wii has sat gathering dust since Twilight Princess because console game makers seem to have forgotten how to make adventure games. After spending $60. a pop on crappy game after crappy game I was driven into the arms of WoW and never looked back.

FUnny, your exact reasoning for leaving the Wii was my exact reason for leaving WoW.

You left WoW because there are no good adventure games being released for consoles? Or did you just play the fark out of WoW for so long that you got bored?

Kids today. Think their game is supposed to be entertaining forever but get their romantic needs met from anonymous cyber chat.


Well, I was talking about the creation of adventure games as a whole. And considering the amount of money poured in WoW, and the large scale updates and new content that got less and less exciting, yeah, I expected to be entertained for as long as it was maintained. It never really got better after TBC, IMO.

Whatevs though. Currently playing the remastered, heavily modded Morrowind. Now that is f'in story.
 
2013-01-30 02:44:14 PM  
Nintendo has destroyed all good will they may have had with the hardcore gaming crowd a long time ago. They managed to stay profitable with the Wii because they marketed towards casual and non-gamers, two markets that Sony and MS had largely ignored. Now those same demographics have moved on to Facebook and Smartphone games, both of which require significantly less money and time invested in them to enjoy. Nintendo is going the way of Sega, and they don't even know it. It's a shame too, because the NES and SNES are two of the top video game consoles of all time.
 
2013-01-30 02:56:28 PM  
In other news, it's no longer 1992.
 
2013-01-30 02:57:59 PM  

RexTalionis: Actually, Nintendo's Wii-U loses money per unit sold. That's why the bad sales of the Wii-U resulted in a loss for them.


Fair enough. I didn't RTFA, but my guess would be that Nintendo braced itself for a loss smaller than the scale of the XBOX360 and PS3.

That seems to be their business model. That and differentiating themselves from the other two console giants.
 
2013-01-30 02:59:41 PM  
My family still uses the Wii everyday. Personally I'd prefer a PS3, but I don't think sitting down with my 7 year old daughter for some Assassin's Creed 3 would be appropriate.

That said, I have absolutely no interest in the Wii U. Maybe I don't know enough about it, but I just don't see the appeal.
 
2013-01-30 03:02:23 PM  

Rev.K: RexTalionis: Actually, Nintendo's Wii-U loses money per unit sold. That's why the bad sales of the Wii-U resulted in a loss for them.

Fair enough. I didn't RTFA, but my guess would be that Nintendo braced itself for a loss smaller than the scale of the XBOX360 and PS3.

That seems to be their business model. That and differentiating themselves from the other two console giants.


The difference is that Microsoft and Sony are both extremely diversified in what they do. Even if the console business takes a loss, they can afford it. Nintendo can't.
 
2013-01-30 03:03:08 PM  

spman: The difference is that Microsoft and Sony are both extremely diversified in what they do. Even if the console business takes a loss, they can afford it. Nintendo can't.


Also true.
 
2013-01-30 03:06:17 PM  

quickdraw: My Wii has sat gathering dust since Twilight Princess because console game makers seem to have forgotten how to make adventure games. After spending $60. a pop on crappy game after crappy game I was driven into the arms of WoW and never looked back.


Go pick up Arma II: Combined Ops on Steam. Then get DayZ Commander and install the DayZ Mod.

You'll never go back to WoW.
 
2013-01-30 03:06:52 PM  
Am I the only around here who gets tired of Nintendo's constant attempts at turning gimicky additions to consoles into "innovations". I mean, seriously, its only ever worked for the Gameboy and Wii.

/fark you Powerglove.
//Double fark you to the Virtualboy.
 
2013-01-30 03:07:00 PM  
Played Wii sports for a few weeks, quickly got bored. Tried some racing games that were pretty generic and forgettable. Got Resident Evil Zero and was really excited until I realized that I couldn't play the farking thing at all because of the way the controller was set up. Now the damn thing just sits there. Even my kid doesn't play it anymore.

Same with the Kinect. Wondering why I ever bought either of them.

Wii U? Never even bothered looking at it.
 
2013-01-30 03:07:14 PM  
They only sold 3 million units in 3 months... the sky is falling. Didn't it take the PS3 1 year to hit 3 million?
 
2013-01-30 03:14:09 PM  
My kids love it. The tablet control is a pretty cool thing. My son can play Batman without the need of the TV.

Dear Nintendo, now that that you have an HD platform, I should expect to see damn near every game on the PS33 and XBOX 360 for my Wii U.
 
2013-01-30 03:14:36 PM  
Now to weigh in...or perhaps Wii in. Thank you, try the veal.

I bought a Wii shortly after release and I still use it. They make games that are great for my wife and I to pick up and play and my kids love Wii bowling. I also use it for Netflix and the classic consoles are a nice plus too.

That said, zero interest in Wii U mostly because it doesn't look like much of an improvement.
 
2013-01-30 03:16:36 PM  
The Wii U is the first Nintendo console I haven't bought at launch.

It just didn't  excite me enough to justify a 350 dollar purchase. I don't know if it ever will.

That kind of saddens me.
 
2013-01-30 03:19:11 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Same with the Kinect. Wondering why I ever bought either of them.


i got the kinect and enjoyed it, but then moved to an apartment that is too small to use it in. However, the voice command control of applications gets daily use so it wasn't a complete loss in my eyes
 
2013-01-30 03:22:38 PM  
I've actually heard that the Wii U has some games that make fairly good use of the new controller. Zombie U, the new Rayman one, and Luigi's Mansion all use it to good effect evidently. And surprisingly, only 1 of those 3 is a Nintendo title.

We still use our Wii on occasion. It's especially good when the nieces and nephews or friends with kids come over. Even playing with our adult friends once the kids have gone to bed, the Wii is still preferable. It's much better at catering to all skill levels. Time will tell if the Wii U picks up that following. The casual gamer market might not be willing to shell out every cycle like hardcore gamers are.
 
2013-01-30 03:23:13 PM  
I've gotten nearly every Nintendo system back to the NES near launch. I think the WiiU is the first time I'll be waiting a while before picking up a new console. The problem Nintendo has had since the Gamecube is third-party support. There's a handful of reliably great first-party games like Mario and Zelda, a couple of standout third-party games that are not cross-platform, and a lot of shovelware or cross-platform titles I may as well pick up on a more powerful system.

With how much dust my Wii has gathered, I'll wait and see how the AAA software titles are before parting with any money.
 
2013-01-30 03:31:51 PM  

Soup4Bonnie:

Same with the Kinect. Wondering why I ever bought either of them.

Wii U? Never even bothered looking at it.


I love my kinect, Dance Central is great! Me and the kids love that thing. Wipeout pretty much sucks though but the kids find it fun. There are some other good games for kinect though, Gunstringer is fun, Happy Fun Time (or something like that) is a lot of fun for the kids.
 
2013-01-30 03:36:45 PM  

TNel: Soup4Bonnie:

Same with the Kinect. Wondering why I ever bought either of them.

Wii U? Never even bothered looking at it.

I love my kinect, Dance Central is great! Me and the kids love that thing. Wipeout pretty much sucks though but the kids find it fun. There are some other good games for kinect though, Gunstringer is fun, Happy Fun Time (or something like that) is a lot of fun for the kids.


Fruit Ninja was probably the most fun my family had. Also gives a pretty good upper body workout (and lower body if you learn to use kicks). My girlfriend uses it for the YourShape Fitness. Gunstringer is hella fun, but my arm got really tired and I haven't picked it up since beating like the 3rd or 4th level (got Gunstringer and Fruit Ninja free with the Kinect).
 
2013-01-30 03:42:01 PM  
Nintendo should go the Sega route and just make games. They are very good at that.
 
2013-01-30 03:50:26 PM  
The Wii is very good for a very specific type of play, but doesn't do anything else.

The Xbox is pretty good at a lot of things.

The PS3 can do everything, but only in the worst way possible.
 
2013-01-30 03:55:30 PM  

dchurch0: quickdraw: My Wii has sat gathering dust since Twilight Princess because console game makers seem to have forgotten how to make adventure games. After spending $60. a pop on crappy game after crappy game I was driven into the arms of WoW and never looked back.

Go pick up Arma II: Combined Ops on Steam. Then get DayZ Commander and install the DayZ Mod.

You'll never go back to WoW.


THANK GOD, YET ANOTHER ZOMBIE-BASED GAME!

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2013-01-30 03:55:59 PM  

PanicMan: The Wii is very good for a very specific type of play, but doesn't do anything else.

The Xbox is pretty good at a lot of things.

The PS3 can do everything, but only in the worst way possible.


I never got an Xbox or PS3 simply because the type of games I would play on it are generally single player games... in which case I might as well just get them for my PC. There have been a few titles that I thought might be worth getting one of those consoles for, but there was never the critical mass of games on them that I couldn't either get the exact same game on my PC, or one similar enough that it didn't matter.
 
2013-01-30 03:56:57 PM  

tlchwi02: However, the voice command control of applications gets daily use so it wasn't a complete loss in my eyes


If I want to yell at my television, I'll turn on Bill O'Reilly, thanks.
 
2013-01-30 04:02:39 PM  

PapaChester: Currently playing the remastered, heavily modded Morrowind.



The what now?
 
2013-01-30 04:03:09 PM  
Sounds like they just need to repackage and resell some more 8 and 16 bit games.
 
2013-01-30 04:12:36 PM  

SphericalTime: Uh, the Wii did rather well for itself, IIRC.  And it was way less powerful than the XBox 360 & Playstation 3.

The problems is that the Wii U doesn't seem to have any wow factor.  What does it do that puts the previous gen of the other platforms to shame?  Nothing that I can see.  It doesn't even seem like a huge step up from the Wii.


Its nice.  The NIntendo games I never liked.  I got it so that I can upgrade to the new COD game.  It is actually more powerful a computer than the other systems, and has fewer problems with quality control.  But for the games they put out, they are expensive and either the same game other systems already have (Arkham Asylum, etc...) or just the same Nintendo crap (Mario Bros XLVIII).  But now they are in HD.

But as I said, I got it for the COD series that was not making any more games for Wii.  I expect no one will make games compatible with the Wii in 6 months and you will be forced to upgrade or buy a different system or stick with the old games.
 
2013-01-30 04:18:10 PM  

PanicMan: The Wii is very good for a very specific type of play, but doesn't do anything else.

The Xbox is pretty good at a lot of things.

The PS3 can do everything, but only in the worst way possible.


Most of the people I know that get XBox now love it.  They love the streaming of movies (I don't do that) and the Kinect (I have a Wii, why would I need to buy two systems to do essentially the same thing I can do now).  Plus XBox live is the only onlie setup they have and costs a monthly fee.

PS3 has the blu ray, and is free online, but is otherwise similar to the Wii (if you get the movement system) or XBox if you don't.

So, the choices right now are XBox if you want a powerful system with a great dedicated, but expensive, online setup.  Or WiiU for the same thing, fewer game options, and a much simpler but free online setup.  Or PS3 for the worst of both.  Or a Wii for $80.
 
2013-01-30 04:23:19 PM  
It's seriously time for MS and Sony to get the next-gen out.
Also, it's about time all game devs start using 60fps. Man I spend a few weeks playing Rage... then went back to Borderlands 2. The stutter almost gave me epilepsy. 60fps is where it's gotta be at. It's just gotta be.
 
2013-01-30 04:23:29 PM  

I_C_Weener: So, the choices right now are XBox if you want a powerful system with a great dedicated, but expensive, online setup.


Amazon and Best Buy are having an e-battle with Xbox Live 12-month cards. Both are selling them for $34.99 (usually $60). Both my girlfriend's and mine expire in about 6 months, but I picked up two for us.

Also, do you have a PS3 or 360? I'm just wondering why you went out and bought a new system for the CoD series when the differences between how it plays on the 3 systems are minimal at most (and sometimes worse on the WiiU).
 
2013-01-30 04:32:02 PM  

RexTalionis: Rev.K: The underpowered console is what allows Nintendo to turn a profit on its hardware.

Xbox, xbox360 and PS3 all lose money on each console and the platform takes approximately 12 quarters to start making money.

Nintendo looks like they want to minimize their risk, but maybe with the Wii U it doesn't pay off.

Actually, Nintendo's Wii-U loses money per unit sold. That's why the bad sales of the Wii-U resulted in a loss for them.


Your logic doesn't makes sense. Losing money per unit sold would mean they would have greater losses with greater sales.
 
2013-01-30 04:35:08 PM  
I'm going to get one in the summer. I use the Wii pretty much every other day, so once a few more games have hit the stores for the Wii-U, I'll be on that train for sure. Metroid U is going to stomp serious, serious ass.
 
2013-01-30 04:36:42 PM  

dk47: RexTalionis: Rev.K: The underpowered console is what allows Nintendo to turn a profit on its hardware.

Xbox, xbox360 and PS3 all lose money on each console and the platform takes approximately 12 quarters to start making money.

Nintendo looks like they want to minimize their risk, but maybe with the Wii U it doesn't pay off.

Actually, Nintendo's Wii-U loses money per unit sold. That's why the bad sales of the Wii-U resulted in a loss for them.

Your logic doesn't makes sense. Losing money per unit sold would mean they would have greater losses with greater sales.


Nintendo can only  make up the loss from Wii-U software. Less Wii-U consoles sold = less Wii-U software sold = losses.
 
2013-01-30 04:38:21 PM  

dk47: RexTalionis: Rev.K: The underpowered console is what allows Nintendo to turn a profit on its hardware.

Xbox, xbox360 and PS3 all lose money on each console and the platform takes approximately 12 quarters to start making money.

Nintendo looks like they want to minimize their risk, but maybe with the Wii U it doesn't pay off.

Actually, Nintendo's Wii-U loses money per unit sold. That's why the bad sales of the Wii-U resulted in a loss for them.

Your logic doesn't makes sense. Losing money per unit sold would mean they would have greater losses with greater sales.


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2013-01-30 04:39:21 PM  

quickdraw: My Wii has sat gathering dust since Twilight Princess because console game makers seem to have forgotten how to make adventure games. After spending $60. a pop on crappy game after crappy game I was driven into the arms of WoW and never looked back.


So you went to WoW? The game that has been reskinning and reselling the same exact gear grind for 8 years? Sweet baby infant Jesus...
 
2013-01-30 04:39:57 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I_C_Weener: So, the choices right now are XBox if you want a powerful system with a great dedicated, but expensive, online setup.

Amazon and Best Buy are having an e-battle with Xbox Live 12-month cards. Both are selling them for $34.99 (usually $60). Both my girlfriend's and mine expire in about 6 months, but I picked up two for us.

Also, do you have a PS3 or 360? I'm just wondering why you went out and bought a new system for the CoD series when the differences between how it plays on the 3 systems are minimal at most (and sometimes worse on the WiiU).


I had a Wii, for the family, and COD was fine if not as graphically detailed.  Upgraded to the WiiU because of backward compatibility and the fact that I'm old and need the motion sensor system instead of all those galldurned buttons. :)
 
2013-01-30 04:42:44 PM  

Tax Boy: dchurch0: quickdraw: My Wii has sat gathering dust since Twilight Princess because console game makers seem to have forgotten how to make adventure games. After spending $60. a pop on crappy game after crappy game I was driven into the arms of WoW and never looked back.

Go pick up Arma II: Combined Ops on Steam. Then get DayZ Commander and install the DayZ Mod.

You'll never go back to WoW.

THANK GOD, YET ANOTHER ZOMBIE-BASED GAME!

[cdn.fashionista.com image 620x333]


True... soo true.

But DayZ holds a special place in my heart. So much so that I run a hosted server and a website for the guys who play there.

Check out my handiwork here: OG DayZ, and if you give it a shot, join us in game.
 
2013-01-30 04:42:47 PM  

Tax Boy: dchurch0: quickdraw: My Wii has sat gathering dust since Twilight Princess because console game makers seem to have forgotten how to make adventure games. After spending $60. a pop on crappy game after crappy game I was driven into the arms of WoW and never looked back.

Go pick up Arma II: Combined Ops on Steam. Then get DayZ Commander and install the DayZ Mod.

You'll never go back to WoW.

THANK GOD, YET ANOTHER ZOMBIE-BASED GAME!

[cdn.fashionista.com image 620x333]


Meh, not really. The premise is that it is a zombie survival game. In practice, it has just devolved into a free for all shooter game. I gave the mod a sporting chance, but got tired of trying to help someone, and then being killed by that very person. If I wanted to play a deathmatch, there are better options. Also, there wasn't really any goal to it. You couldn't clear out a town of zombies and make it a fort. Instead, they'd just respawn in a short while.

Pity though. The open world feeling of the mod is pretty neat. Needs some work though.
 
2013-01-30 04:45:16 PM  
Nintendo's problem is not the hardware. It's the lack of compelling games. Anyone who got bored of the Wii quickly knew this was coming. I for one still believe that nobody has adequately delivered on the possibilities of the Wii hardware. Or the Kinect for that matter. The games are just garbage. Game studios for all platforms are just as bad as Hollywood now, they generally only release what's safe and are averse to taking actual risks. How many Call of Duty titles will we see until they run out of steam? How many Maddens? Did we really need Halo 4? If I hid the Gears of War 2 or 3 discs behind my back and made you pick one and put it in the XBOX could you tell the difference? This is the real reason why we can't have good things. Quit leaving it on the hardware makers and start delivering more really good games. And for godssakes don't spend 5+ years in development because you're doing it wrong.
 
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