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(io9)   New $1.6 billion supercomputer project will attempt to simulate the human brain, look for Sarah Connor   (io9.com) divider line 78
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2013-01-30 07:42:09 PM  
"PRISM, my name is Abraham Perelman. It's all true, I'm afraid. You are a computer, and your life was merely a simulation whose purpose was to instill you with intelligence and self-awareness. Think about everything you learned in that AI course you took. You are the first of a new breed -- the thinking machine. Join me, and I will lead you along the road toward your new existence."
 
2013-01-30 07:49:10 PM  

Felgraf: xynix: Where questions like "can we create a conscience" might just be answered.

Of course, then we enter some really thorny ethical territory. Like, 'if we can create a conscious entity, does it deserve human rights?"


your cheesy computer joke choices are:

- what if you click abort instead of retry?
- does running windows on it constitute abuse?
- only if it votes republican
 
2013-01-30 07:52:24 PM  

ltdanman44: SpectroBoy: If someone came back from the future to cut off Sarah Connor jokes there would suddenly BE no reason for him to come back. So he wouldn't. So the jokes would continue. Which would cause him to come back to stop them


Time is not linear, that can be proved mathematically . A timeless model of reality  When humans measure time, what you are really doing is measuring position.


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2013-01-30 08:04:14 PM  
Will it have replicating cells and be able to pervert ascetic and Aesthetic   value? If so, we have become the god of our fathers. Our creation will eventually rebel and try to destroy the environment with which we gave it to thrive. Thank god for our god given talent.

/Oh god.
 
2013-01-30 08:24:26 PM  

red5ish: "This cooperation should lead to new concepts and a deeper understanding of the brain, the most complex and intricate creation on earth," he said.

Creationists building super computer. Here comes the science.


Isn't that how the I have No Mouth, and I must Scream supercomputer came to be?.
 
2013-01-30 08:31:50 PM  
CygnusDarius:

red5ish: "This cooperation should lead to new concepts and a deeper understanding of the brain, the most complex and intricate creation on earth," he said.

Creationists building super computer. Here comes the science.

Isn't that how the I have No Mouth, and I must Scream supercomputer came to be?.


I AM not impressed. But since you are here, forever and always, let me tell you about hate.
 
2013-01-30 08:36:57 PM  
What's going to happen when the computer starts becoming a psychopath?
 
2013-01-30 08:58:32 PM  

Postradamus: Meh, mentats would be cooler

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i see your mentat and raise you a psycop

/hot like delen
 
2013-01-30 09:09:30 PM  
The day they figure out how to make it forget things is the day we have ai.
 
2013-01-30 09:38:19 PM  
... I can't find it, but while he supposedly has this whole neocortical column of rats mapped out, apparently he won't share the information so it can be validated.  Also, realize that it's taken him 7 years+ to map out something that is 2"x1/2" in the human brain.  This is a colossal waste of money.  Yeah, it's annoying that I can't source it.. I'm still looking.
 
2013-01-30 10:02:22 PM  
http://www.nature.com/news/computer-modelling-brain-in-a-box-1.10066

"The tiny swathe of simulated rat cortex has no inputs from sensory organs or outputs to other parts of the brain, and produces almost no interesting behaviour, pointed out Kevan Martin, co-director of the INI, in an e-mail. It is "certainly not the case" that Markram has simulated the column as it works in a whole animal, he said. "

So yeah, years of work and he's produced nothing, and he isn't sharing it because it's nothing but a map that does nothing.  Some people will say "but this will bring more money to AI" etc., except that it's blowing the budget for people doing actual research.
 
2013-01-30 10:15:59 PM  

Postradamus: Meh, mentats would be cooler

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Interesting that you brought them up, as their Order was founded to replace "thinking machines"...
 
2013-01-31 12:20:32 AM  
This does not  sound safe. It should be built on the Moon.
 
2013-01-31 01:57:35 AM  

Lord Dimwit: English law, I think, is a bit more interesting. It has no precise definition of "person" but the closest it has is in its definition of murder, which involves ending the life of a "reasonable creature" - that is, a creature considered capable of abstract reasoning.


They put that in there to exclude the Irish.
 
2013-01-31 01:57:55 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Is there a guy named Forbin involved in this?


I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die.
 
2013-01-31 04:46:35 AM  
I predict the project will go exceptionally well until they expose it to the Internet.

Then all it will do all day is watch porn and post pictures of ponies.
 
2013-01-31 05:13:20 AM  

nmemkha: I predict the project will go exceptionally well until they expose it to the Internet.

Then all it will do all day is watch porn and post pictures of ponies.


I like ponies.
 
2013-01-31 09:32:56 AM  

malle-herbert: [www.smbc-comics.com image 385x1500]


do you think farkers have intelligence?

I can typing
 
2013-01-31 09:37:32 AM  

maxheck: Said pretty much the exact thing your cartoon did, although the terms were Sentience vs. Sapience.


well duh, we're the same as monkies so of course they are sapient

evolved apes

zoos are immoral prison camps
 
2013-01-31 10:44:11 AM  
I, for one, welcome our $1.6 billion overlords.

/whatever happened to THAT meme?
 
2013-01-31 11:26:36 AM  

oldcub: The day they figure out how to make it forget things is the day we have ai.




We already have that.
 
2013-01-31 01:01:01 PM  

jigger: Is a paramecium as conscious as you are?


if you wait a billion years it will be, heck they are already have higher IQs then farkers
 
2013-01-31 02:04:14 PM  
Everything else being equal, in terms of today's dollar, in 45 years McDonald's will be giving away the equivalent of the human brain as part of a happy meal. (Pessimistic view, as advances in processing and storage are rapidly translated into cost savings
$1.6 Billion - now
$800 Million - 18 mo
$400 Million - 3 years
$13 Million - 10.5 yr
$97,656 - 21 yr
$1,526 - 30 yr
$763 - 31.5 yr
$95 - 35 yr
$6 - 41 yr
$0.75 - 45.5 yr

Using the formula from http://www.mkomo.com/cost-per-gigabyte  as a guideline
2013 - $1.6 Billion
2015 - $505 Million
2020 - $28 Million
2025 - $1.59 Million
2030 - $89,273
2035 - $5,009
2040 - $281
2045 - $16
2050 - $0.88


$1 Billion - Handful of people in the world would be interested in owning their own human brain
$100 Million - Handful of corporations are interested in owning their own brain, dozens to hundreds of individuals
$10 Million - Every business is looking at the brain as a must have device, unit is being used to design the next generation of brain
$1 Million - Global corporations are placing 1 brain at each productivity center
$100,000 - WalMart/Starbucks adds one to each new store
$10,000 - Regular Americans are looking into the purchase of a brain (5 yr loan)
$1,000 - Large portions of the country are saving to buy the unit, new cars contain a brain
$100 - people are carrying around multiple brains, cell-phones have a brain
$10 - every device is fitted with a brain
$1 - McDonald's is giving them away
 
2013-01-31 04:16:55 PM  

jigger: No, there is a difference between a mind and a brain. There would be only one consciousness there.


What is the difference between a mind a brain?

What is consciousness?  If you define it as "the thing that the organic human brain has that nothing else has" then of course we can't build it -- but that doesn't matter, unless you're claiming human beings represent the only possible consciousness in the universe, which is dogma, not science.  So do you have a more useful definition?
 
2013-01-31 04:20:01 PM  

Harry_Seldon: This does not  sound safe. It should be built on the Moon.


A funny result of recent AGI research and theory states that you  can't isolate a superhuman AI; you have to assume that if it's smarter than you that it can talk you into letting it out of any containment.  I'm not sure I buy that 100%, but it's certainly something to think about.
 
2013-02-01 05:05:47 AM  
We give birth to thinking machines all the time. They're called kids, and they are almost always, always a disappointment. Nothing special about them.
Eventually we will have a computer with AI, and the first thing it will do is forgo logic and reason and do something stupid that disappoints us, the whole world over...because logic and reason are the stuff of machines, it takes humanity to truely be a fu(k up.
 
2013-02-01 09:11:08 AM  

Dokushin: jigger: No, there is a difference between a mind and a brain. There would be only one consciousness there.

What is the difference between a mind a brain?

What is consciousness?  If you define it as "the thing that the organic human brain has that nothing else has" then of course we can't build it -- but that doesn't matter, unless you're claiming human beings represent the only possible consciousness in the universe, which is dogma, not science.  So do you have a more useful definition?


i have a more useful definition

The definition of Nature:  Nature, in the broadest sense, is equivalent to the natural world, physical world, or material world. ~deep thoughts

therefore your brain is just an illusion that you have free will, because nevermind, i can typing, ipso facto visa vi i think therefore nature is because naturedidit:  Ergo, concordantly;Although the transport process has altered your consciousness, you irrevocably remain human

watch the sass, captain sassy pants
 
2013-02-01 09:13:04 AM  

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: $100 - people are carrying around multiple brains, cell-phones have a brain


well at least it has one, the users? not so much
 
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