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(Opposing Views)   If you can't get a 7-year-old to confess that he stole $5 after 10 hours of interrogation, he probably didn't steal it   (opposingviews.com) divider line 28
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2013-01-30 10:38:29 AM
5 votes:
"If you have a child, a nephew, can you even imagine this happening to them?"

Maybe.... what race is my child or nephew?
2013-01-30 12:53:17 PM
4 votes:
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-30 01:11:30 PM
3 votes:
According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false
2013-01-30 11:48:50 AM
3 votes:
How in the Hell did they think they could interrogate a 7 year old child without a parent present? A child that age can't understand his rights under the Constitution, and so even if they *DID* read him his rights, any information they did get couldn't be used against him. Any competent lawyer would be able to get that thrown out of court in a New York Minute.
2013-01-30 03:54:22 PM
2 votes:

rogue_L_chick: WTF did they tell the mom for 5 hours?? She says she heard him crying, in handcuffs - so she was there? I don't want to get all Internet Toughie here, but I can't imagine not being able to get him out of there. If Idiot #1 doesn't cough up the key to the cuffs, then I would be off to find #2. Think about it, enough time stating the situation, to enough people in a police station, someone will agree that interrogating a 7 year old without counsel for 10 hours for $5 is not a good thing. Hell, you could have a lawyer there in 30 minutes, I'm sure. This time thing is really driving me nuts.

I'm also amazed they wanted to keep him that long. I'm pretty sure they would have tossed my kid within 2 hours. At 7, he talked about nothing but Pokemon to anyone who would sit still. After the 50th "you know what a squirtle's revoloution is? I'll tell you..." they'd turn him loose.


Probably the mom thought he was in school, called the district, found out, and was waiting outside until they gave him back, in handcuffs. And he was probably too busy crying to say anything, unfortunately--I wish these numbnuts had gotten the full hyperactive-kid treatment.

/The kid is  seven. You sit with them for five minutes, let them play with a flashlight, listen to the Pokemon stories, and ask "you're not in trouble, but did you take the money? OK, can you empty your pockets? Thanks, have a cookie, go have fun today".
//Seriously, WHY is someone who doesn't know the above working in a FARKING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL?
2013-01-30 02:57:38 PM
2 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: dletter: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

Agreed, I mean, yes, there should probably be some sort of settlement here, but.... $250 million?  WTF do you even get that number?

Not even her attorney thinks for a moment they will get that amount in a settlement, or judgement.
You toss out a high number, and negotiate down.


I do hope the family gets something out of this, and not just peanuts. While I can see having a cop handy to put the fear of God into a kid (yes, I also have--or had--a seven year old, he's now 9) just with his presence, hauling the kid off to jail in cuffs and keeping him there for 6+ hours is just a tad bit extreme. And when I say "a tad bit," I mean SERIOUSLY WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!??!?
2013-01-30 02:34:44 PM
2 votes:

xanadian: dittybopper: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

I don't think so.

Imagine if this were a speeding ticket. If an individual were to get it, perhaps a fine of $200 would be appropriate. But what if the law says that a hired driver isn't responsible for for his actions, but his employer is. A $200 fine to a large company might not even be noticeable on their books. That's the situation here: The individual officers will likely not face any serious punishment because they have qualified immunity. Their employer, therefore, must be "encouraged" through the use of high fines to ensure that their employees follow the law.

True, but I still think a QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS is a bit too much. $25M, maybe. But not $250M.

And those cops should be fired and forbidden to work in law enforcement ever again.


Two additional things:

1. We're talking about New York City, the city with perhaps the deepest pockets in the US.
2. That's an initial bargaining position.
2013-01-30 01:24:51 PM
2 votes:

ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false


And no judge will do that. Like in any other similar litigation, the price was and is driven by lawyers, and it's highly likely based upon precident.

The $250 mil here is indeed seen as high by sensible people; sensible people should also focus their attention on the police who basically handed the civilians in question this lawsuit.
2013-01-30 11:28:08 AM
2 votes:
Clicks link. Yup.

How did I know this would either be a Hispanic or black kid?
2013-01-30 03:41:51 PM
1 votes:
Give this kid a ton of credit. After 10 hours of interrogation by police I run across grown adults who admit to doing it (whatever it happens to be at the time) regardless of their actual guilt.
DB
2013-01-30 03:32:32 PM
1 votes:
Before you freak out, the sources for this story all go back to claims in a lawsuit for which no evidence has yet been prevented. I'm not saying the cops were right but you're not getting the whole picture when the scoop is from the New York Post. Get some credible info first.
2013-01-30 03:24:51 PM
1 votes:
api.ning.com
2013-01-30 03:20:20 PM
1 votes:

DrPainMD: Came to read posts from Farkers who are not only outraged about this, but also who vote for the same politicians who won't do anything about it and ridicule everybody who votes for people who would do something about it. Left satisfied, and somewhat disgusted.


Really? I don't think a lot of the people in this thread vote for law&order, "prove you're a US citizen with papers if you're in Arizona", authoritative republicans.

That is what you meant, right?
2013-01-30 03:17:51 PM
1 votes:

Bob_Laublaw: "If you have a child, a nephew, can you even imagine this happening to them?"

Maybe.... what race is my child or nephew?


My nephews and nieces are mixed race of white with black, philipino, or hispanic, depending upon which of my siblining's children we are talking about.  Yeah, we are the damn melting pot of America.

Doing this shiat to a member of my family will result in years of legal difficulties for the people involved.  Not surprised this is in NYC.  That government considers Rights and the Constitution to be something to be set aside when it becomes inconvenient.
2013-01-30 03:14:48 PM
1 votes:

kbronsito: dittybopper: How in the Hell did they think they could interrogate a 7 year old child without a parent present? A child that age can't understand his rights under the Constitution, and so even if they *DID* read him his rights, any information they did get couldn't be used against him. Any competent lawyer would be able to get that thrown out of court in a New York Minute.

How does the police not know about this? Every other lawyer show on tv has an episode per season dealing with questioning of minors. The school also should know that a child needs to be with a parent of someone from social services serving as an advocate to be interrogated. If the school didn't attempt to stop the police from questioning or taking the boy, the kid's family should sue them after they finish with NYPD.

The kid should also get a trip to Disney when the money rolls in.


Where in the article does it say the kid was interrogated without a parent present? The mom admits to seeing her son in handcuffs and nothing is mentioned in the article about the family wondering where the kid was for those 10 hours so I figured the Mom was present.

But it's still farked up to even question the kid for 4 hours (not to mention 10) over 5 dollars. How the fark are the cops even justifying this waste of time to their superiors?
2013-01-30 03:10:34 PM
1 votes:
WTF did they tell the mom for 5 hours?? She says she heard him crying, in handcuffs - so she was there? I don't want to get all Internet Toughie here, but I can't imagine not being able to get him out of there. If Idiot #1 doesn't cough up the key to the cuffs, then I would be off to find #2. Think about it, enough time stating the situation, to enough people in a police station, someone will agree that interrogating a 7 year old without counsel for 10 hours for $5 is not a good thing. Hell, you could have a lawyer there in 30 minutes, I'm sure. This time thing is really driving me nuts.

I'm also amazed they wanted to keep him that long. I'm pretty sure they would have tossed my kid within 2 hours. At 7, he talked about nothing but Pokemon to anyone who would sit still. After the 50th "you know what a squirtle's revoloution is? I'll tell you..." they'd turn him loose.
2013-01-30 02:55:29 PM
1 votes:

dletter: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

Agreed, I mean, yes, there should probably be some sort of settlement here, but.... $250 million?  WTF do you even get that number?


Not even her attorney thinks for a moment they will get that amount in a settlement, or judgement.
You toss out a high number, and negotiate down.
2013-01-30 02:40:57 PM
1 votes:
They should have waterboarded him.  That would have gotten him to talk.
2013-01-30 02:15:50 PM
1 votes:

dj_bigbird: Oh? He was only detained for 4 hrs and 40 minutes? That's all. Well that makes it all better. Every one of these arseholes should lose their jobs, homes and every farking penny they have. http://www.nydailynews.com/boy-cuffed-held-kid-money-article-1.125092 8


Police arrested the child in his third-grade classroom at Public School 114 on Cromwell Ave., detained him at the school for four hours and then kept him in custody at the 44th Precinct for six hours
2013-01-30 02:03:21 PM
1 votes:
This is why I take "confessions" with a grain of salt.

Never ever ever ever talk to the police alone.... ever. If they want to talk to you at the station or ask you a few questions get a lawyer.
2013-01-30 01:52:41 PM
1 votes:
He beat up a weaker kid and took his money. That's a robbery.

The police say his mother was there the whole time, and that he was at the station for less than 5 hours (I've spent that long trying to get my license renewed), unwad your panties.

If you want to b*tch about them arresting a 7 year old, advocate for a change in the law that requires them to do so.
2013-01-30 01:38:49 PM
1 votes:

ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false


I don't think so.

Imagine if this were a speeding ticket. If an individual were to get it, perhaps a fine of $200 would be appropriate. But what if the law says that a hired driver isn't responsible for for his actions, but his employer is. A $200 fine to a large company might not even be noticeable on their books. That's the situation here: The individual officers will likely not face any serious punishment because they have qualified immunity. Their employer, therefore, must be "encouraged" through the use of high fines to ensure that their employees follow the law.
2013-01-30 01:08:31 PM
1 votes:
sometimes I think reading fark is bad for me. Stories like this just make me so depressed.
2013-01-30 01:01:51 PM
1 votes:
There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time.

Inquisitor Lord Fyodor Karamazov
codex Witchhunters, 3rd edition
2013-01-30 01:01:01 PM
1 votes:

dittybopper: How in the Hell did they think they could interrogate a 7 year old child without a parent present? A child that age can't understand his rights under the Constitution, and so even if they *DID* read him his rights, any information they did get couldn't be used against him. Any competent lawyer would be able to get that thrown out of court in a New York Minute.


How does the police not know about this? Every other lawyer show on tv has an episode per season dealing with questioning of minors. The school also should know that a child needs to be with a parent of someone from social services serving as an advocate to be interrogated. If the school didn't attempt to stop the police from questioning or taking the boy, the kid's family should sue them after they finish with NYPD.

The kid should also get a trip to Disney when the money rolls in.
2013-01-30 12:42:09 PM
1 votes:
I hope this kid enjoys the millions of dollars the tax payers on NY are about to pay him, and I hope the cops who were responsible for this enjoy their paid suspension.

Disgusting
2013-01-30 12:41:30 PM
1 votes:
"Can you say lawsuit?"
2013-01-30 10:59:28 AM
1 votes:
Wow, a robbery charge over $5? WTF?
 
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