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2013-01-30 10:38:29 AM
"If you have a child, a nephew, can you even imagine this happening to them?"

Maybe.... what race is my child or nephew?
 
2013-01-30 10:59:28 AM
Wow, a robbery charge over $5? WTF?
 
2013-01-30 11:28:08 AM
Clicks link. Yup.

How did I know this would either be a Hispanic or black kid?
 
2013-01-30 11:48:50 AM
How in the Hell did they think they could interrogate a 7 year old child without a parent present? A child that age can't understand his rights under the Constitution, and so even if they *DID* read him his rights, any information they did get couldn't be used against him. Any competent lawyer would be able to get that thrown out of court in a New York Minute.
 
2013-01-30 12:41:30 PM
"Can you say lawsuit?"
 
2013-01-30 12:42:09 PM
I hope this kid enjoys the millions of dollars the tax payers on NY are about to pay him, and I hope the cops who were responsible for this enjoy their paid suspension.

Disgusting
 
2013-01-30 12:53:17 PM
www.scenicreflections.com
 
2013-01-30 01:01:01 PM

dittybopper: How in the Hell did they think they could interrogate a 7 year old child without a parent present? A child that age can't understand his rights under the Constitution, and so even if they *DID* read him his rights, any information they did get couldn't be used against him. Any competent lawyer would be able to get that thrown out of court in a New York Minute.


How does the police not know about this? Every other lawyer show on tv has an episode per season dealing with questioning of minors. The school also should know that a child needs to be with a parent of someone from social services serving as an advocate to be interrogated. If the school didn't attempt to stop the police from questioning or taking the boy, the kid's family should sue them after they finish with NYPD.

The kid should also get a trip to Disney when the money rolls in.
 
2013-01-30 01:01:51 PM
There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time.

Inquisitor Lord Fyodor Karamazov
codex Witchhunters, 3rd edition
 
2013-01-30 01:06:15 PM

what_now: I hope this kid enjoys the millions of dollars the tax payers on NY are about to pay him, and I hope the cops who were responsible for this enjoy their paid suspension.


in fairness, they probably WILL enjoy their paid suspension. I know I wouldn't mind some extra paid time off, and I am sure they won't, either.

But yeah... this family is going to get a lot of money because you cannot legally interrogate a minor without the parents or a lawyer present.  I am pretty sure that is covered in the GED version of law school, even.
 
2013-01-30 01:08:31 PM
sometimes I think reading fark is bad for me. Stories like this just make me so depressed.
 
2013-01-30 01:08:43 PM

serpent_sky: what_now: I hope this kid enjoys the millions of dollars the tax payers on NY are about to pay him, and I hope the cops who were responsible for this enjoy their paid suspension.

in fairness, they probably WILL enjoy their paid suspension. I know I wouldn't mind some extra paid time off, and I am sure they won't, either.

But yeah... this family is going to get a lot of money because you cannot legally interrogate a minor without the parents or a lawyer present.  I am pretty sure that is covered in the GED version of law school, even.


was the kid 'off white'?  had a hispanic or 'ethnic' sounding name?  cops probably figured he was guilty of something so why not just go ahead and interrogate him for hours and hours.  it's not like he had any rights.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-30 01:11:30 PM
According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false
 
2013-01-30 01:16:03 PM
Snitches get riches?
 
2013-01-30 01:19:17 PM
Did they try crushing his fingers like grapes?  Did they try crushing his grapes like grapes?  Jeez, they really didn't want to find out the answer to this mystery, did they.
 
2013-01-30 01:24:51 PM

ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false


And no judge will do that. Like in any other similar litigation, the price was and is driven by lawyers, and it's highly likely based upon precident.

The $250 mil here is indeed seen as high by sensible people; sensible people should also focus their attention on the police who basically handed the civilians in question this lawsuit.
 
2013-01-30 01:28:17 PM
That's just wrong, any seasoned interrogator would have broke out the waterboarding long before that.
 
2013-01-30 01:38:49 PM

ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false


I don't think so.

Imagine if this were a speeding ticket. If an individual were to get it, perhaps a fine of $200 would be appropriate. But what if the law says that a hired driver isn't responsible for for his actions, but his employer is. A $200 fine to a large company might not even be noticeable on their books. That's the situation here: The individual officers will likely not face any serious punishment because they have qualified immunity. Their employer, therefore, must be "encouraged" through the use of high fines to ensure that their employees follow the law.
 
2013-01-30 01:46:51 PM
Oh? He was only detained for 4 hrs and 40 minutes? That's all. Well that makes it all better. Every one of these arseholes should lose their jobs, homes and every farking penny they have. http://www.nydailynews.com/boy-cuffed-held-kid-money-article-1.125092 8
 
2013-01-30 01:52:41 PM
He beat up a weaker kid and took his money. That's a robbery.

The police say his mother was there the whole time, and that he was at the station for less than 5 hours (I've spent that long trying to get my license renewed), unwad your panties.

If you want to b*tch about them arresting a 7 year old, advocate for a change in the law that requires them to do so.
 
2013-01-30 01:53:53 PM
So the little punk punched the kid in the face and then took the money.  fark the lil bastard, he got what he deserved.
 
2013-01-30 02:03:21 PM
This is why I take "confessions" with a grain of salt.

Never ever ever ever talk to the police alone.... ever. If they want to talk to you at the station or ask you a few questions get a lawyer.
 
2013-01-30 02:12:34 PM

dittybopper: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

I don't think so.

Imagine if this were a speeding ticket. If an individual were to get it, perhaps a fine of $200 would be appropriate. But what if the law says that a hired driver isn't responsible for for his actions, but his employer is. A $200 fine to a large company might not even be noticeable on their books. That's the situation here: The individual officers will likely not face any serious punishment because they have qualified immunity. Their employer, therefore, must be "encouraged" through the use of high fines to ensure that their employees follow the law.


True, but I still think a QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS is a bit too much. $25M, maybe. But not $250M.

And those cops should be fired and forbidden to work in law enforcement ever again.
 
2013-01-30 02:14:18 PM
Well, with a surname like Reyes, could you blame them?
 
2013-01-30 02:15:50 PM

dj_bigbird: Oh? He was only detained for 4 hrs and 40 minutes? That's all. Well that makes it all better. Every one of these arseholes should lose their jobs, homes and every farking penny they have. http://www.nydailynews.com/boy-cuffed-held-kid-money-article-1.125092 8


Police arrested the child in his third-grade classroom at Public School 114 on Cromwell Ave., detained him at the school for four hours and then kept him in custody at the 44th Precinct for six hours
 
2013-01-30 02:21:51 PM

ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false


Agreed, I mean, yes, there should probably be some sort of settlement here, but.... $250 million?  WTF do you even get that number?

Is this the same woman who claimed her boyfriend gave her 5 $1 million dollar bills to use to buy groceries at Walmart... and didn't have to cognitive ability to go "Wait a minute"....
 
2013-01-30 02:34:44 PM

xanadian: dittybopper: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

I don't think so.

Imagine if this were a speeding ticket. If an individual were to get it, perhaps a fine of $200 would be appropriate. But what if the law says that a hired driver isn't responsible for for his actions, but his employer is. A $200 fine to a large company might not even be noticeable on their books. That's the situation here: The individual officers will likely not face any serious punishment because they have qualified immunity. Their employer, therefore, must be "encouraged" through the use of high fines to ensure that their employees follow the law.

True, but I still think a QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS is a bit too much. $25M, maybe. But not $250M.

And those cops should be fired and forbidden to work in law enforcement ever again.


Two additional things:

1. We're talking about New York City, the city with perhaps the deepest pockets in the US.
2. That's an initial bargaining position.
 
2013-01-30 02:40:50 PM
They didn't taze him?  Come on NYPD, you are slipping!

But seriously, what a waste of police resources in taking that long to question him.  Poor kid is gonna be traumatized.
 
2013-01-30 02:40:57 PM
They should have waterboarded him.  That would have gotten him to talk.
 
2013-01-30 02:46:31 PM
I was illegally interrogated by the police as a child, so I'm really getting a kick...
 
2013-01-30 02:46:55 PM
Obviously you've never dealt with a seven year old.


/father of a seven and a four year old
//need to be Matlock to figure out who broke the coffee mug.
 
2013-01-30 02:48:56 PM
I read the Gothamist daily, and this isn't the first time a story has surfaced about the NYPD acting like assholes.  Usually though, they save their assholery for grown-ups.
 
2013-01-30 02:53:02 PM
Stay classy NYPD.
 
2013-01-30 02:55:29 PM

dletter: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

Agreed, I mean, yes, there should probably be some sort of settlement here, but.... $250 million?  WTF do you even get that number?


Not even her attorney thinks for a moment they will get that amount in a settlement, or judgement.
You toss out a high number, and negotiate down.
 
2013-01-30 02:55:53 PM

dj_bigbird: Wow, a robbery charge over $5? WTF?


Maybe he stole from the united police doughnut fund.
 
2013-01-30 02:56:24 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obviously you've never dealt with a seven year old.


/father of a seven and a four year old
//need to be Matlock to figure out who broke the coffee mug.


Their alibi was tripped up by a parking / traffic ticket?
 
2013-01-30 02:57:15 PM
Came to read posts from Farkers who are not only outraged about this, but also who vote for the same politicians who won't do anything about it and ridicule everybody who votes for people who would do something about it. Left satisfied, and somewhat disgusted.
 
2013-01-30 02:57:38 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: dletter: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

Agreed, I mean, yes, there should probably be some sort of settlement here, but.... $250 million?  WTF do you even get that number?

Not even her attorney thinks for a moment they will get that amount in a settlement, or judgement.
You toss out a high number, and negotiate down.


I do hope the family gets something out of this, and not just peanuts. While I can see having a cop handy to put the fear of God into a kid (yes, I also have--or had--a seven year old, he's now 9) just with his presence, hauling the kid off to jail in cuffs and keeping him there for 6+ hours is just a tad bit extreme. And when I say "a tad bit," I mean SERIOUSLY WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!??!?
 
2013-01-30 02:58:16 PM
it's amazing to me how much different this article is to a different one I read earlier today. The other one had it like the 7 yo knocked down a 9 yo and took the 5.00 from his pocket.
 
2013-01-30 02:58:52 PM
Ah great it's one of those sites with a sidebar on the mobile site that blocks 1/3 of the screen and can't be closed. Guess I'm not reading that.
 
2013-01-30 02:59:57 PM

Bob_Laublaw: "If you have a child, a nephew, can you even imagine this happening to them?"

Maybe.... what race is my child or nephew?


Hispanic, obviously. If he was black the cops would have just shot the little bastard.
 
m00
2013-01-30 03:00:37 PM
I am completely outraged the interrogation lasted 5 hours. One quick look at him confirms that he's guilty.
 
2013-01-30 03:02:01 PM
Subby has never had to deal with a stubborn 7 year old.
 
2013-01-30 03:02:29 PM

ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false


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I'll take true for $50 Alex.
 
2013-01-30 03:03:57 PM
His attorney is Jack Yankowitz.

That's a bit of overkill.
 
2013-01-30 03:03:57 PM

Coco LaFemme: I read the Gothamist daily, and this isn't the first time a story has surfaced about the NYPD acting like assholes.  Usually though, they save their assholery for grown-ups.


Don't forget the cannibal cop...
 
2013-01-30 03:06:40 PM
209.160.41.119

Stan: Butters?
Butters:Yep. I'm in jail.
Kyle: You con-fessed?
Butters: Uh huh. Unh, they said I TP'ed the art teacher's house. I don't seem to remember it, but they're pretty sure it was me. I just can't get my behavior under control!
Officer Barbrady: His parents are on their way down now.
Butters: Yeah. And boy, are they gonna uh let me have it! Just wait till my father gets here!
Butters: Well I'm just a little asshole, is what I am.
 
2013-01-30 03:07:52 PM

mcreadyblue: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

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I'll take true for $50 Alex.


You ask for 250 mil, they offer 50 grand, you settle for a cool million. That's how the game is played.
 
2013-01-30 03:10:34 PM
WTF did they tell the mom for 5 hours?? She says she heard him crying, in handcuffs - so she was there? I don't want to get all Internet Toughie here, but I can't imagine not being able to get him out of there. If Idiot #1 doesn't cough up the key to the cuffs, then I would be off to find #2. Think about it, enough time stating the situation, to enough people in a police station, someone will agree that interrogating a 7 year old without counsel for 10 hours for $5 is not a good thing. Hell, you could have a lawyer there in 30 minutes, I'm sure. This time thing is really driving me nuts.

I'm also amazed they wanted to keep him that long. I'm pretty sure they would have tossed my kid within 2 hours. At 7, he talked about nothing but Pokemon to anyone who would sit still. After the 50th "you know what a squirtle's revoloution is? I'll tell you..." they'd turn him loose.
 
2013-01-30 03:11:44 PM

quickdraw: sometimes I think reading fark is bad for me. Stories like this just make me so depressed.


Welcometofark.jpg?
 
2013-01-30 03:12:09 PM

Bob_Laublaw: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

And no judge will do that. Like in any other similar litigation, the price was and is driven by lawyers, and it's highly likely based upon precident.

The $250 mil here is indeed seen as high by sensible people; sensible people should also focus their attention on the police who basically handed the civilians in question this lawsuit.


I know you're a lawyer with a Law Blog, but imo, this amount is too low.
Sorry you disagree, but this kind of behavior is considered completely unacceptable by a lot of us. Since nobody involved will actually be reprimanded, the court should be levying such a fine against the city so the city feels the pain enough to make sure this kind of nonsense doesn't continue.
 
2013-01-30 03:12:50 PM

The Muthaship: He beat up a weaker kid and took his money. That's a robbery.

The police say his mother was there the whole time, and that he was at the station for less than 5 hours (I've spent that long trying to get my license renewed), unwad your panties.

If you want to b*tch about them arresting a 7 year old, advocate for a change in the law that requires them to do so.


What law would we be advocating to change that requires the police to do this?
 
2013-01-30 03:14:20 PM
Cops must of been trained by Cheney.
 
2013-01-30 03:14:48 PM

kbronsito: dittybopper: How in the Hell did they think they could interrogate a 7 year old child without a parent present? A child that age can't understand his rights under the Constitution, and so even if they *DID* read him his rights, any information they did get couldn't be used against him. Any competent lawyer would be able to get that thrown out of court in a New York Minute.

How does the police not know about this? Every other lawyer show on tv has an episode per season dealing with questioning of minors. The school also should know that a child needs to be with a parent of someone from social services serving as an advocate to be interrogated. If the school didn't attempt to stop the police from questioning or taking the boy, the kid's family should sue them after they finish with NYPD.

The kid should also get a trip to Disney when the money rolls in.


Where in the article does it say the kid was interrogated without a parent present? The mom admits to seeing her son in handcuffs and nothing is mentioned in the article about the family wondering where the kid was for those 10 hours so I figured the Mom was present.

But it's still farked up to even question the kid for 4 hours (not to mention 10) over 5 dollars. How the fark are the cops even justifying this waste of time to their superiors?
 
2013-01-30 03:15:18 PM

Moopy Mac: What law would we be advocating to change that requires the police to do this?


The article I read said that 7 year old's can be charged, but 6 year old's can't. Sort of arbitrary.
 
2013-01-30 03:17:51 PM

Bob_Laublaw: "If you have a child, a nephew, can you even imagine this happening to them?"

Maybe.... what race is my child or nephew?


My nephews and nieces are mixed race of white with black, philipino, or hispanic, depending upon which of my siblining's children we are talking about.  Yeah, we are the damn melting pot of America.

Doing this shiat to a member of my family will result in years of legal difficulties for the people involved.  Not surprised this is in NYC.  That government considers Rights and the Constitution to be something to be set aside when it becomes inconvenient.
 
2013-01-30 03:17:55 PM

Dirtybird971: it's amazing to me how much different this article is to a different one I read earlier today. The other one had it like the 7 yo knocked down a 9 yo and took the 5.00 from his pocket.


Yea but that was a the Daily News.....
 
2013-01-30 03:18:37 PM
Great cost to benefit ratio......
 
2013-01-30 03:18:47 PM
Of course they didn't get anything out of him - they didn't waterboard him or hook up his nipples to a car battery. Amateurs.
 
2013-01-30 03:19:20 PM
And people wonder why cops get so much crap. If any other random group of people tried to hold a kid for 10 hours without his parents present, you'd expect very bad things to be happening.
 
2013-01-30 03:19:44 PM

2wolves: "Can you say lawsuit?"


I can't see any jury siding with the city on this one. We're not quite that soulless. Yet.

I want to say "idiots will be fired". This is abuse of authority if ever there was.
 
2013-01-30 03:20:05 PM

Popcorn Johnny: So the little punk punched the kid in the face and then took the money.  fark the lil bastard, he got what he deserved.


Another kid confessed to taking the money.
 
2013-01-30 03:20:20 PM

DrPainMD: Came to read posts from Farkers who are not only outraged about this, but also who vote for the same politicians who won't do anything about it and ridicule everybody who votes for people who would do something about it. Left satisfied, and somewhat disgusted.


Really? I don't think a lot of the people in this thread vote for law&order, "prove you're a US citizen with papers if you're in Arizona", authoritative republicans.

That is what you meant, right?
 
2013-01-30 03:21:38 PM

OgreMagi: Popcorn Johnny: So the little punk punched the kid in the face and then took the money.  fark the lil bastard, he got what he deserved.

Another kid confessed to taking the money.


According to the plaintiff's attorney.
 
2013-01-30 03:24:14 PM
robbery charge? Fark, people have gone full-on farking stupid.
 
2013-01-30 03:24:51 PM
api.ning.com
 
2013-01-30 03:25:14 PM

xanadian: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: dletter: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

Agreed, I mean, yes, there should probably be some sort of settlement here, but.... $250 million?  WTF do you even get that number?

Not even her attorney thinks for a moment they will get that amount in a settlement, or judgement.
You toss out a high number, and negotiate down.

I do hope the family gets something out of this, and not just peanuts. While I can see having a cop handy to put the fear of God into a kid (yes, I also have--or had--a seven year old, he's now 9) just with his presence, hauling the kid off to jail in cuffs and keeping him there for 6+ hours is just a tad bit extreme. And when I say "a tad bit," I mean SERIOUSLY WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!??!?


Yeah, I mean, these things do happen... I actually recall when I was a kid (between 8-10 I think?) going to be questioned by the police (my mom was next to me i am pretty sure though).... from what I recall, I believe some guy had a big bottle of change stolen from his house, and some kid in the neighborhood said "Hey, that kid (me) was running a lemonade stand and had a bunch of change to buy his stuff".   I recall having to show them the hole I made in the back of my plastic Spiderman piggy bank to get the change out.

This instance though seemed like it went way over the line.
 
2013-01-30 03:29:07 PM
"The city's Law Department wound up dropping the robbery charge"

The liitle boy isn't the only one who was pulled out of school, evidently.
 
2013-01-30 03:29:56 PM

silverjets: But it's still farked up to even question the kid for 4 hours (not to mention 10) over 5 dollars. How the fark are the cops even justifying this waste of time to their superiors?


cops can have all the overtime they can make up a reason for. this is how many cops in houston make well over $100k a year (not, of course, counting the money they get from bribes or selling drugs and guns and other confiscated stuff). i'm sure the nypd can make much, much more by grabbing some overtime here and there.
 
2013-01-30 03:32:01 PM
With all the murders and rapes going I'm glad the NYPD found the time to shake down a 7yo for 10 hrs over $5 bill
 
2013-01-30 03:32:10 PM
Did they try the comfy chair?
orangecow.org
/he wouldn't expect that
 
2013-01-30 03:32:14 PM
dittybopper

How in the Hell did they think they could interrogate a 7 year old child without a parent present? A child that age can't understand his rights under the Constitution, and so even if they *DID* read him his rights, any information they did get couldn't be used against him. Any competent lawyer would be able to get that thrown out of court in a New York Minute.

All well and good but I learned in 3rd grade "you can't claim ignorance to the law".

/that's why everyone here is a lawyer.
 
DB
2013-01-30 03:32:32 PM
Before you freak out, the sources for this story all go back to claims in a lawsuit for which no evidence has yet been prevented. I'm not saying the cops were right but you're not getting the whole picture when the scoop is from the New York Post. Get some credible info first.
 
2013-01-30 03:32:51 PM

Popcorn Johnny: So the little punk punched the kid in the face and then took the money.  fark the lil bastard, he got what he deserved.


I guess you missed the part where the article said another kid admitted to taking the money?
 
2013-01-30 03:34:38 PM

robbiex0r

Dirtybird971: it's amazing to me how much different this article is to a different one I read earlier today. The other one had it like the 7 yo knocked down a 9 yo and took the 5.00 from his pocket.

Yea but that was a the Daily News.....


STAY OUT OF MY BRAIN!!!
 
2013-01-30 03:36:55 PM
www.officialpsds.com
 
2013-01-30 03:39:54 PM

dittybopper: How in the Hell did they think they could interrogate a 7 year old child without a parent present? A child that age can't understand his rights under the Constitution, and so even if they *DID* read him his rights, any information they did get couldn't be used against him. Any competent lawyer would be able to get that thrown out of court in a New York Minute.


Unless the law has changed recently, a child in New York State can not be questioned without a parent or guardian present. I have no idea WTF was really going on here, (I suspect we might not be getting the full story on this one) but if the mother had any knowledge at any point during that time that this was going on and did not say "STOP IMMEDIATELY I DEMAND A LAWYER FOR MY CHILD" then she is an idiot.

I taught mine from an early age to be polite and respectful to all police officers, and to politely say, "I want a lawyer, please" if they are ever questioned.
 
2013-01-30 03:41:51 PM
Give this kid a ton of credit. After 10 hours of interrogation by police I run across grown adults who admit to doing it (whatever it happens to be at the time) regardless of their actual guilt.
 
DB
2013-01-30 03:43:56 PM
From the Daily News article:

The cop source close to the incident said the 7-year-old had been bullying the victim for some time, prompting the victim's mom to call for a meeting with teachers and the suspect's mom.

"This kid is no angel, even though he may look like it," the source said. "We made the arrest based on the complainant aggressively complaining about what the defendant did to him."


Still not saying the cops are right but don't take the lawyer's word at face face value
 
2013-01-30 03:45:34 PM

DB: From the Daily News article:

The cop source close to the incident said the 7-year-old had been bullying the victim for some time, prompting the victim's mom to call for a meeting with teachers and the suspect's mom.

"This kid is no angel, even though he may look like it," the source said. "We made the arrest based on the complainant aggressively complaining about what the defendant did to him."

Still not saying the cops are right but don't take the lawyer's word at face face value


Grains of salt for everyone!
 
2013-01-30 03:45:56 PM

dletter: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

Agreed, I mean, yes, there should probably be some sort of settlement here, but.... $250 million?  WTF do you even get that number?

Is this the same woman who claimed her boyfriend gave her 5 $1 million dollar bills to use to buy groceries at Walmart... and didn't have to cognitive ability to go "Wait a minute"....


Yeah, I mean he should surely know there is no way Walmart is going to have enough change to break a $1m bill.
 
2013-01-30 03:50:54 PM

Godscrack: Clicks link. Yup.

How did I know this would either be a Hispanic or black kid?


Cause they have a genetic disposition to be criminals?
 
2013-01-30 03:52:15 PM
Maybe this'll put a stop to the "boys will be boys" horseshiat
 
DB
2013-01-30 03:52:17 PM
mahuika: Grains of salt for everyone!

Heh. Exactly.
 
2013-01-30 03:52:59 PM
250 MILLION DOLLARS?!?@?!?!?!? ARE YOU farkING KIDDING ME!? i'm so farking sick of lazy americans thinking every litigious event is a free cash grab. fark you.
 
2013-01-30 03:54:22 PM

rogue_L_chick: WTF did they tell the mom for 5 hours?? She says she heard him crying, in handcuffs - so she was there? I don't want to get all Internet Toughie here, but I can't imagine not being able to get him out of there. If Idiot #1 doesn't cough up the key to the cuffs, then I would be off to find #2. Think about it, enough time stating the situation, to enough people in a police station, someone will agree that interrogating a 7 year old without counsel for 10 hours for $5 is not a good thing. Hell, you could have a lawyer there in 30 minutes, I'm sure. This time thing is really driving me nuts.

I'm also amazed they wanted to keep him that long. I'm pretty sure they would have tossed my kid within 2 hours. At 7, he talked about nothing but Pokemon to anyone who would sit still. After the 50th "you know what a squirtle's revoloution is? I'll tell you..." they'd turn him loose.


Probably the mom thought he was in school, called the district, found out, and was waiting outside until they gave him back, in handcuffs. And he was probably too busy crying to say anything, unfortunately--I wish these numbnuts had gotten the full hyperactive-kid treatment.

/The kid is  seven. You sit with them for five minutes, let them play with a flashlight, listen to the Pokemon stories, and ask "you're not in trouble, but did you take the money? OK, can you empty your pockets? Thanks, have a cookie, go have fun today".
//Seriously, WHY is someone who doesn't know the above working in a FARKING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL?
 
2013-01-30 03:54:29 PM
I'm just not understanding WHY they wanted to arrest the kid over 5 bucks in thefirst place. They wouldn't arrest an adult for that, so was this some monstrously-gone-wrong scared-straight program?
 
2013-01-30 03:55:53 PM

lackadaisicalfreakshow: I'm just not understanding WHY they wanted to arrest the kid over 5 bucks in thefirst place. They wouldn't arrest an adult for that, so was this some monstrously-gone-wrong scared-straight program?


It depends on the set of facts you want to accept. If an adult walked up to another adult and punched them in the face knocking them down, then took $5 from them, you may rest assured they'd be arrested.
 
2013-01-30 03:58:19 PM
WTF?!?!?
kid needed to throw down some sass and tell them he didn't take the money but if they take him to his house he's sure his parents would give them $5 to stfu and GBTW.
WTF

Rustblade: 250 MILLION DOLLARS?!?@?!?!?!? ARE YOU farkING KIDDING ME!? i'm so farking sick of lazy americans thinking every litigious event is a free cash grab. fark you.


I would've sued for double that if it was my kid and then sued you for calling me lazy
/not american
 
2013-01-30 03:58:46 PM

Felgraf: DrPainMD: Came to read posts from Farkers who are not only outraged about this, but also who vote for the same politicians who won't do anything about it and ridicule everybody who votes for people who would do something about it. Left satisfied, and somewhat disgusted.

Really? I don't think a lot of the people in this thread vote for law&order, "prove you're a US citizen with papers if you're in Arizona", authoritative republicans.

That is what you meant, right?


He probably meant the politicians who control city council, which has been under solid Democratic control for years (y'know, the party largely in bed with the public employee unions that will make sure the policemen who used this kind of excessive force will receive nothing worse than paid leave time).
 
2013-01-30 03:58:52 PM

The Muthaship: Moopy Mac: What law would we be advocating to change that requires the police to do this?

The article I read said that 7 year old's can be charged, but 6 year old's can't. Sort of arbitrary.


Any age limit is arbitrary. You can buy beer when you're 21 years old, but not when you're 20 years and 364 days old.
 
2013-01-30 03:59:27 PM

PsiChick:
/The kid is  seven. You sit with them for five minutes, let them play with a flashlight, listen to the Pokemon stories, and ask "you're not in trouble, but did you take the money? OK, can you empty your pockets? Thanks, have a cookie, go have fun today".
//Seriously, WHY is someone who doesn't know the above working in a FARKING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL?


If (big if here) the reports about the kid being a serial bully and hitting other kids in the face is true I think "sitting with them for 5 minutes then talk about Pokemon" is not doing the kid any favors for his future. I think you're imaging fragile little Timmy in a case of mistaken identity, but depending on how they're raised kids can start getting vicious at age 6-7 without proper parental guidance. Again, that could be total BS and I agree with you on principle, but there are plenty of dudes in jail now who might've turned out alright if someone had set them straight at that age instead of giving them a figurative cookie.
 
2013-01-30 03:59:31 PM

lackadaisicalfreakshow: I'm just not understanding WHY they wanted to arrest the kid over 5 bucks in thefirst place. They wouldn't arrest an adult for that, so was this some monstrously-gone-wrong scared-straight program?


They wouldn't arrest an adult for assault? To the face? I'm not moving to your version of NYC
 
2013-01-30 04:00:44 PM
Can't do the time, don't be black
 
2013-01-30 04:02:49 PM

Rustblade: 250 MILLION DOLLARS?!?@?!?!?!? ARE YOU farkING KIDDING ME!? i'm so farking sick of lazy americans lawyers thinking every litigious event is a free cash grab. fark you.


Lawyers. The price was set by LAWYERS. They will win in court or get a settlement for much less, but they will reap a financial windfall.

Once again, it's got nothing to do with the kid or his family; it has everything to do with law enforcement not playing by well-established rules of engagement.
 
2013-01-30 04:03:34 PM

The Muthaship: lackadaisicalfreakshow: I'm just not understanding WHY they wanted to arrest the kid over 5 bucks in thefirst place. They wouldn't arrest an adult for that, so was this some monstrously-gone-wrong scared-straight program?

It depends on the set of facts you want to accept. If an adult walked up to another adult and punched them in the face knocking them down, then took $5 from them, you may rest assured they'd be arrested.


And TFA states that another boy admitted taking the cash, and it sounds like the altercation was after the accusation of theft. Again, with a separate confession and reasonable provocation, I doubt even an adult would get this treatment. If he was a dick, an arrest for simple assault maybe. A cowed individual? Not hardly.
 
2013-01-30 04:03:43 PM
That read like a Daily Fail article.
 
2013-01-30 04:04:38 PM

Electromax: PsiChick:
/The kid is  seven. You sit with them for five minutes, let them play with a flashlight, listen to the Pokemon stories, and ask "you're not in trouble, but did you take the money? OK, can you empty your pockets? Thanks, have a cookie, go have fun today".
//Seriously, WHY is someone who doesn't know the above working in a FARKING ELEMENTARY SCHOOL?

If (big if here) the reports about the kid being a serial bully and hitting other kids in the face is true I think "sitting with them for 5 minutes then talk about Pokemon" is not doing the kid any favors for his future. I think you're imaging fragile little Timmy in a case of mistaken identity, but depending on how they're raised kids can start getting vicious at age 6-7 without proper parental guidance. Again, that could be total BS and I agree with you on principle, but there are plenty of dudes in jail now who might've turned out alright if someone had set them straight at that age instead of giving them a figurative cookie.


Except after this the child has a hate for all things police and sees them as the Evil Enemy.
 
2013-01-30 04:08:24 PM

dittybopper: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

I don't think so.

Imagine if this were a speeding ticket. If an individual were to get it, perhaps a fine of $200 would be appropriate. But what if the law says that a hired driver isn't responsible for for his actions, but his employer is. A $200 fine to a large company might not even be noticeable on their books. That's the situation here: The individual officers will likely not face any serious punishment because they have qualified immunity. Their employer, therefore, must be "encouraged" through the use of high fines to ensure that their employees follow the law.


This^ It's called punitive damages, and mixed into it is the N word -- negligence. Once you get to the level that the cops acted without appropriate supervision or, more importantly, with the knowledge and acquiescence of their superiors, it's a whole different game.

Let's say you're t-boned by an oil truck and the driver turns out to be on meth or drunk. If his superiors had no knowledge of his behavior, it is difficult to prove negligence. But let's say his supervisor knew of this problem, reported it to management and nothing was done about it - look out below, the big N is in play, and it's going to cost the company enough to bust it.
 
2013-01-30 04:09:57 PM
If they have no evidence, deny the accusation until you are dead.

I'm pretty sure I figured this out before I turned 7.
 
2013-01-30 04:14:51 PM
I suppose this has been asked already, but where were the parents that didn't step in?

/anyone know the race of the kids?
 
2013-01-30 04:19:15 PM

ModernPrimitive01: I suppose this has been asked already, but where were the parents that didn't step in?

/anyone know the race of the kids?


in the piss tank two cells over
/not really
 
2013-01-30 04:19:19 PM

dletter: Yeah, I mean, these things do happen... I actually recall when I was a kid (between 8-10 I think?) going to be questioned by the police (my mom was next to me i am pretty sure though).... from what I recall, I believe some guy had a big bottle of change stolen from his house, and some kid in the neighborhood said "Hey, that kid (me) was running a lemonade stand and had a bunch of change to buy his stuff".   I recall having to show them the hole I made in the back of my plastic Spiderman piggy bank to get the change out.

This instance though seemed like it went way over the line.


That is simultaneously sad and adorable.  I hope the police were behaving in a manner consistent with "I'm dealing with an 8 year old".

As for the case at hand, what the blue fark is wrong with NYPD?  I'm usually a supporter of cops but lord all mighty, things like this make it really hard for me to continue.  Hopefully there's just "something missing" from the story, like the mother is the reason they were there so long or... something.
 
2013-01-30 04:20:18 PM
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com

You pissed off some powerful people today, sonny. Someone's out $5 and that's not gonna just go away.
 
2013-01-30 04:22:44 PM
This will just encourage the cops to use a taser combined with some old fashioned broom handle sodomy next time.  That little bastard would have confessed if they hadn't used kid gloves on him, this I can assure you.
 
2013-01-30 04:23:03 PM
more information is always so helpful:
the "robbery" didn't happen at school
the little punk ass had been repeatedly harassing the other kid.

Bully's Victim Speaks

themoreyouknow.jpg
 
2013-01-30 04:23:20 PM

xria: dletter: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

Agreed, I mean, yes, there should probably be some sort of settlement here, but.... $250 million?  WTF do you even get that number?

Is this the same woman who claimed her boyfriend gave her 5 $1 million dollar bills to use to buy groceries at Walmart... and didn't have to cognitive ability to go "Wait a minute"....

Yeah, I mean he should surely know there is no way Walmart is going to have enough change to break a $1m bill.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-30 04:27:09 PM

damaje: more information is always so helpful:
the "robbery" didn't happen at school
the little punk ass had been repeatedly harassing the other kid.

Bully's Victim Speaks

themoreyouknow.jpg


Good info----anyone who hasn't checked out your link SHOULD in order to get the rest of the story.

The punk Reyes mother (in the pics) looks like a real piece of work herself.
 
2013-01-30 04:27:28 PM
*CTRL-F* c-r-u-i-s.... 0 of 0

WHAT? Who is going to come to the defense of the police?
 
2013-01-30 04:27:54 PM

damaje: more information is always so helpful:
the "robbery" didn't happen at school
the little punk ass had been repeatedly harassing the other kid.

Bully's Victim Speaks

themoreyouknow.jpg


Oh. My. God the comments that I am holding in... barely... righ now. Let's just go with, hey mom of bullied kid: maybe your son wouldn't be such a target for a child two years younger and much smaller if he maybe were in some sort of physical condition to be able to defend himself. And maybe you could help him out with that.
 
2013-01-30 04:28:42 PM

The Muthaship: OgreMagi: Popcorn Johnny: So the little punk punched the kid in the face and then took the money.  fark the lil bastard, he got what he deserved.

Another kid confessed to taking the money.

According to the plaintiff's attorney.


Considering the city law office dropped all charges against this kid, it would seem he was not the guilty party. And even if he was, this is not the appropriate way to handle a 7-year-old, even the non-white ones.
 
2013-01-30 04:29:16 PM
brammerfamily.com

NYPD: umm, nope!
 
2013-01-30 04:29:46 PM

question_dj: I was illegally interrogated by the police as a child, so I'm really getting a kick...


Me too. Long story short:

Stole some liquor from the gas station where I worked. Stupidly left said liquor in my car. Owners kid saw me putting a box in my car, asked the owner what I was doing -- so they call the cops under the suspicion I was stealing. I'm chillin at a friends house, biggest A-hole cop shows up and completely tears my car apart, writes me 5 tickets. Takes me back to the station for interrogation from 11:00pm - 2am, lets me go after I don't tell him who or what all the liquor is for. I get 3 of the tickets dropped because they were complete BS.

But yes, I was interrogated for 3 hours without adult supervision and I was barely 16 years old.
 
2013-01-30 04:32:49 PM
Was this one of those days when there weren't any murders in NYC? The cops musta been bored out of their skulls.
 
2013-01-30 04:35:09 PM

dittybopper: xanadian: dittybopper: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

I don't think so.

Imagine if this were a speeding ticket. If an individual were to get it, perhaps a fine of $200 would be appropriate. But what if the law says that a hired driver isn't responsible for for his actions, but his employer is. A $200 fine to a large company might not even be noticeable on their books. That's the situation here: The individual officers will likely not face any serious punishment because they have qualified immunity. Their employer, therefore, must be "encouraged" through the use of high fines to ensure that their employees follow the law.

True, but I still think a QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS is a bit too much. $25M, maybe. But not $250M.

And those cops should be fired and forbidden to work in law enforcement ever again.

Two additional things:

1. We're talking about New York City, the city with perhaps the deepest pockets in the US.
2. That's an initial bargaining position.


Punitive damages, guys, punitive damages. Until whatever corrupt/abusive authority realizes their actions will destroy their institution and the power it provides, you can count on these abuses continuing unencumbered. Seriously - how many heads rolled and policies adjusted do you think would come of a 250M judgment against the NYPD, Seattle PD, Denver PD, etc.

Would you change your view if the majority of the funds were distributed (say, 240M) to charities of the plaintiff's choosing?
 
2013-01-30 04:40:04 PM

damaje: more information is always so helpful:
the "robbery" didn't happen at school
the little punk ass had been repeatedly harassing the other kid.

Bully's Victim Speaks

themoreyouknow.jpg


Thanks for the background information.  I retract my earlier statement.  With the current data (which may change), I'm going to guess the mom is a biatch who knows her kid is a punk and doesn't care at best, maybe even encourages him.

In 10 years the mom will be telling the police there is no way her precious little boy could have shot that store clerk.  Her baby is a good kid.
 
2013-01-30 04:40:49 PM
They should have used a broom handle.
 
2013-01-30 04:46:12 PM

Mr.Poops: question_dj: I was illegally interrogated by the police as a child, so I'm really getting a kick...

Me too. Long story short:

Stole some liquor from the gas station where I worked. Stupidly left said liquor in my car. Owners kid saw me putting a box in my car, asked the owner what I was doing -- so they call the cops under the suspicion I was stealing. I'm chillin at a friends house, biggest A-hole cop shows up and completely tears my car apart, writes me 5 tickets. Takes me back to the station for interrogation from 11:00pm - 2am, lets me go after I don't tell him who or what all the liquor is for. I get 3 of the tickets dropped because they were complete BS.

But yes, I was interrogated for 3 hours without adult supervision and I was barely 16 years old.


I actually did nothing illegal.  My friend's mother had a storage unit in the storage complex across the road from the apartments we lived in.  In the mornings before school we would ride our bikes through it because it had these awesome ramps and hills that were tons of fun to ride.  I think I was 12?  Anyway, one day during class the principal calls my name over the intercom and tells me to go to a room.  The DARE officer is waiting there.  Why is she there?  Because the night before, someone used the gate code to try to get into the storage complex.  Not the actual storage unit, just the complex.

She interrogated me for about an hour, to the point of tears, without my parents there, without any school administrators either.  Just me and her.  She accused me, told me that I had to have done it because the other two kids were in tears saying that they didn't do it, so I must have done it.  So when I got back to class, everyone thought I was going to juvenile hall because I'd done something.

Once we contacted the ACLU, the Police Chief, and the school district superintendent, the principal stepped down and the DARE officer lost her job.  I don't think any charges were ever filed.
 
2013-01-30 04:49:55 PM

namegoeshere: lectnamegoeshere: Except after this the child has a hate for all things police and sees them as the Evil Enemy.

Well we all have to learn that lesson eventually.

 
2013-01-30 04:50:45 PM

abhorrent1: robbery charge? Fark, people have gone full-on farking stupid.


That's probably the one of numerous factual errors made by the newspaper. In New York you can't charge a minor under 14 with a crime. The only thing you can charge them with is juvenile delinquency, which is a status offense.

I've seen plenty of stuff in person, then have read news articles on it where none of the information is correct. I know this is Fark, but don't believe everything you read in the papers; heck, don't even believe half of it.
 
2013-01-30 04:53:06 PM

MelGoesOnTour: damaje: more information is always so helpful:
the "robbery" didn't happen at school
the little punk ass had been repeatedly harassing the other kid.

Bully's Victim Speaks

themoreyouknow.jpg

Good info----anyone who hasn't checked out your link SHOULD in order to get the rest of the story.

The punk Reyes mother (in the pics) looks like a real piece of work herself.


Could she be this Frances Mendez?

gallery.rxmuscle.com
 
2013-01-30 04:53:23 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Well, with a surname like Reyes, could you blame them?


Cop must have been an angry Mets Fan
 
2013-01-30 05:02:38 PM
Jack Yankowitz.

Jack Yankowitz

Jack Yankowitz
 
2013-01-30 05:03:26 PM
OK this shows me the NYPD has too much time on its hands. Maybe cut the force by 5% this fiscal year.
 
2013-01-30 05:04:08 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obviously you've never dealt with a seven year old.


/father of a seven and a four year old
//need to be Matlock to figure out who broke the coffee mug.


I was an only child, and was always jealous of my friends who had siblings to draw attention away from themselves. In my house, even if the babysitter broke the coffee mug it was still my fault. There was no interrogation; I was just grounded or slapped without due process, lol. My dad even blamed things on me to escape my mom's wrath, the way you'd blame a fart on the dog.

 On the other hand, I didn't have to share the Christmas gift budget with a brother or sister, so that was pretty cool.
 
2013-01-30 05:04:12 PM

namegoeshere: damaje: more information is always so helpful:
the "robbery" didn't happen at school
the little punk ass had been repeatedly harassing the other kid.

Bully's Victim Speaks

themoreyouknow.jpg

Oh. My. God the comments that I am holding in... barely... righ now. Let's just go with, hey mom of bullied kid: maybe your son wouldn't be such a target for a child two years younger and much smaller if he maybe were in some sort of physical condition to be able to defend himself. And maybe you could help him out with that.


You are a fool; hopefully, a childless, sterile fool.  The victim certainly could have defended himself, and ended up in the attacker's cuffs.  His mom taught him not to fight and he didn't. Good mom, good kid.

And he's not fat; he's just big-boned.
 
2013-01-30 05:09:08 PM

Godscrack: Clicks link. Yup.

How did I know this would either be a Hispanic or black kid?


Hell, I guessed New York before I even clicked the link.

Has anybody ever had a decent experience with the NYPD? Personally? Anybody?

/Bueller?
 
2013-01-30 05:10:51 PM
If he did do it, He's a stand up guy.
cps-static.rovicorp.com
 
2013-01-30 05:19:49 PM

question_dj: I was illegally interrogated by the police as a child, so I'm really getting a kick...


it never ceases to amaze me how many people have experienced what's going on in the corresponding news article. it really takes all kinds to make a world.
 
2013-01-30 05:23:47 PM
And every one of these so called public "servants" (I use the term EXTREMELY loosely) will get the best lawyers money can buy and to keep his or her job. Zero incentive to ever do the right thing.

In any other profession, a monumental screw-up like this would result in one being frog-marched out the door.

Disgusting wastes of oxygen.
 
2013-01-30 05:24:41 PM

question_dj: Mr.Poops: question_dj: I was illegally interrogated by the police as a child, so I'm really getting a kick...

Me too. Long story short:

Stole some liquor from the gas station where I worked. Stupidly left said liquor in my car. Owners kid saw me putting a box in my car, asked the owner what I was doing -- so they call the cops under the suspicion I was stealing. I'm chillin at a friends house, biggest A-hole cop shows up and completely tears my car apart, writes me 5 tickets. Takes me back to the station for interrogation from 11:00pm - 2am, lets me go after I don't tell him who or what all the liquor is for. I get 3 of the tickets dropped because they were complete BS.

But yes, I was interrogated for 3 hours without adult supervision and I was barely 16 years old.

I actually did nothing illegal.  My friend's mother had a storage unit in the storage complex across the road from the apartments we lived in.  In the mornings before school we would ride our bikes through it because it had these awesome ramps and hills that were tons of fun to ride.  I think I was 12?  Anyway, one day during class the principal calls my name over the intercom and tells me to go to a room.  The DARE officer is waiting there.  Why is she there?  Because the night before, someone used the gate code to try to get into the storage complex.  Not the actual storage unit, just the complex.

She interrogated me for about an hour, to the point of tears, without my parents there, without any school administrators either.  Just me and her.  She accused me, told me that I had to have done it because the other two kids were in tears saying that they didn't do it, so I must have done it.  So when I got back to class, everyone thought I was going to juvenile hall because I'd done something.

Once we contacted the ACLU, the Police Chief, and the school district superintendent, the principal stepped down and the DARE officer lost her job.  I don't think any charges were ever filed.


Gee, thanks for making me look like a bad guy! That really sucks though, especially at 12 -- that's such an awkward age.
 
2013-01-30 05:24:50 PM

slayer199: They should have waterboarded him.  That would have gotten him to talk.


They should have shown him what happens when you find a stranger in the amps.
 
2013-01-30 05:40:47 PM
That was a great 'Amazing World of Gumball' episode.
 
2013-01-30 05:48:00 PM
Reason #234, 873, 293, 934 that I HATE cops.

ALL of them are douchebags at a fundamental level.

/it it wasn't for cops, fewer laws would actually be broken.

//yes, I dont care the circumstances...cops are useless.

///interrogating a 7 year old without parents present is illegal...but who cares, right?
 
2013-01-30 05:49:00 PM
I feel safer.
 
2013-01-30 05:56:52 PM
The police may be brutalizing kids in NYC but at least no one can have a large soda, well unless you go to 7-11 then that's ok!
 
2013-01-30 06:15:45 PM

BarkingUnicorn: namegoeshere: damaje: more information is always so helpful:
the "robbery" didn't happen at school
the little punk ass had been repeatedly harassing the other kid.

Bully's Victim Speaks

themoreyouknow.jpg

Oh. My. God the comments that I am holding in... barely... righ now. Let's just go with, hey mom of bullied kid: maybe your son wouldn't be such a target for a child two years younger and much smaller if he maybe were in some sort of physical condition to be able to defend himself. And maybe you could help him out with that.

You are a fool; hopefully, a childless, sterile fool.  The victim certainly could have defended himself, and ended up in the attacker's cuffs.  His mom taught him not to fight and he didn't. Good mom, good kid.

And he's not fat; he's just big-boned.


Nope. Bad mom for allowing causing him to be in that condition. And he is a lifetime victim. And now that he has announced as much in the news, every bully in his school will target him.

Sometimes you have to throw the elbow.
 
2013-01-30 06:37:11 PM

CapeFearCadaver: Well, with a surname like Reyes, could you blame them?


What the perp might look like:
www.archives-alliance.com
 
2013-01-30 06:40:27 PM

namegoeshere: damaje: more information is always so helpful:
the "robbery" didn't happen at school
the little punk ass had been repeatedly harassing the other kid.

Bully's Victim Speaks

themoreyouknow.jpg

Oh. My. God the comments that I am holding in... barely... righ now. Let's just go with, hey mom of bullied kid: maybe your son wouldn't be such a target for a child two years younger and much smaller if he maybe were in some sort of physical condition to be able to defend himself. And maybe you could help him out with that.


So he needs to fight back because he's a fatty? They'd find something else to bully him for, or someone else to assault and rob.
 
2013-01-30 06:46:55 PM

xanadian: dittybopper: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

I don't think so.

Imagine if this were a speeding ticket. If an individual were to get it, perhaps a fine of $200 would be appropriate. But what if the law says that a hired driver isn't responsible for for his actions, but his employer is. A $200 fine to a large company might not even be noticeable on their books. That's the situation here: The individual officers will likely not face any serious punishment because they have qualified immunity. Their employer, therefore, must be "encouraged" through the use of high fines to ensure that their employees follow the law.

True, but I still think a QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS is a bit too much. $25M, maybe. But not $250M.

And those cops should be fired and forbidden to work in law enforcement ever again.


It's not a penalty for screwing this up.  It's a penalty for hiring someone stupid enough to do something like this.... and then giving them a gun.
 
2013-01-30 06:48:21 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Could she be this Frances Mendez?


Why did you do this to us? What have we ever done to you to deserve that post? Better make with the eye bleach, son, because I don't get paid until Friday.
 
2013-01-30 06:49:18 PM

DB: Before you freak out, the sources for this story all go back to claims in a lawsuit for which no evidence has yet been prevented. I'm not saying the cops were right but you're not getting the whole picture when the scoop is from the New York Post. Get some credible info first.


The police charged a 7yr old with robbery over a $5 bill.

That should result in resignations of everyone involved, even if everything else in the story were false.
 
2013-01-30 06:51:23 PM

moothemagiccow: namegoeshere: damaje: more information is always so helpful:
the "robbery" didn't happen at school
the little punk ass had been repeatedly harassing the other kid.

Bully's Victim Speaks

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Oh. My. God the comments that I am holding in... barely... righ now. Let's just go with, hey mom of bullied kid: maybe your son wouldn't be such a target for a child two years younger and much smaller if he maybe were in some sort of physical condition to be able to defend himself. And maybe you could help him out with that.

So he needs to fight back because he's a fatty? They'd find something else to bully him for, or someone else to assault and rob.


No, he needs to be able to defend himself so they leave him alone. The bully is a tiny little shiat. The victim is much larger and two years older. If he made any effort at all to defend himself, he would stop being a target.

No I'm not saying he should himself turn into a bully. But there is nothing wrong with self defense.
 
2013-01-30 06:58:00 PM

dittybopper: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

I don't think so.

Imagine if this were a speeding ticket. If an individual were to get it, perhaps a fine of $200 would be appropriate. But what if the law says that a hired driver isn't responsible for for his actions, but his employer is. A $200 fine to a large company might not even be noticeable on their books. That's the situation here: The individual officers will likely not face any serious punishment because they have qualified immunity. Their employer, therefore, must be "encouraged" through the use of high fines to ensure that their employees follow the law.


That's the logic behind hospitals, automakers, and the others who pay heavily for mistakes. The idea is that it needs to be punitive. If a hospital, company or, yes, police force believes it can act recklessly and face only modest fines, there would be no incentive to follow the rules. The judgments are supposed to be ludicrously high in order to keep people in line.

I say take it a step further. Let's say you're a guy making 35k per year and you get a $200 speeding ticket. That hurts. The guy driving the Ferrari can just shrug it off like dropping a quarter in a storm drain. Make the penalties commensurate with your income/worth. Some European locales already do this, particularly towns along roads known to be frequented by sports car enthusiasts. A punishment is only fair when it hurts everyone proportionally.  Is it a cash grab? Probably. But it makes people think twice before douching up society.
 
2013-01-30 07:06:00 PM

lostcat: If they have no evidence, deny the accusation until you are dead.

I'm pretty sure I figured this out before I turned 7.


I recently had a run-in with some local cops, though I had done nothing wrong. Typically, I fall on the side of the police, but even I know to clam up even when innocent. Nothing you say can possibly help you, and can be twisted to work against you even though you were conversing in good faith.

Whenever I watch Law & Orderor a true crime show, I'm baffled at how a suspect would give anything but their name and perhaps an address. The more you talk, the more you fark yourself. I think that most people want to please the police and end up inadvertently screwing themselves.

No matter what the cop pressures you with, it's your right to STFU. It's one of the most important rights we have. So use it.
 
2013-01-30 07:13:21 PM

namegoeshere: No, he needs to be able to defend himself so they leave him alone. The bully is a tiny little shiat. The victim is much larger and two years older. If he made any effort at all to defend himself, he would stop being a target.

No I'm not saying he should himself turn into a bully. But there is nothing wrong with self defense.


And yes, unfortunately, he will quite probably face discipline for defending himself. Zero tolerance - Huzzah! But when he gets back to school from his suspension, I'll bet the little shiat will leave him alone. Personally, I'd have my kid take the black mark on his permanent record if it takes the bullseye off his ass.
 
2013-01-30 07:35:57 PM

dickfreckle: I say take it a step further. Let's say you're a guy making 35k per year and you get a $200 speeding ticket. That hurts. The guy driving the Ferrari can just shrug it off like dropping a quarter in a storm drain. Make the penalties commensurate with your income/worth. Some European locales already do this, particularly towns along roads known to be frequented by sports car enthusiasts. A punishment is only fair when it hurts everyone proportionally. Is it a cash grab? Probably. But it makes people think twice before douching up society.


It is a cash grab, which is why we have the point system.  It's an 'alternate traffic currency' in which everyone in the jurisdiction has the exact same amount of currency.  It has it's problems, such as lack of reciprocity, but the guy who skips town due to points is also the same guy who can skip town due to fines.
 
2013-01-30 08:07:50 PM
This is just how cops roll.
 
2013-01-30 08:23:14 PM
Every day I see articles and youtubes about incompetent policing or involving wanton criminals exercising their police powers over innocents. WTF is wrong with you America? I used to look up to you but now I'm just sad.
 
2013-01-30 08:27:00 PM
We bought a two family house with another couple back in 1990, Two of their kids shared a room that was technically on our side of the house but in order to even things up, we gave to them (ten years later we converted to condo, they sold their side, and we got the room back). My wife complained to me one day that money she thought she had in her purse kept turning up missing. We couldn't figure it out. One night I was having a cigarette on the back porch when I saw the door between the houses open and the older daughter, maybe 10 or 11 at the time, skipped into our kitchen. She helped herself to a cookie from the jar, then opened my wife's purse, pulled out a twenty, and skipped out again. The weeping and gnashing of teeth could be heard through all of Gilead that day, let me tell you.

On the other hand, when my own girls were about four and six, I was downstairs doing the dishes one night when I heard screaming and crying from the girls' room. My wife had walked past their door and heard the following whispered conversation:

"Should I tell her?"
"I dunno."
"What should I do?"
"Don't say anything!"

It seems that when my wife had gone shopping that day No. 1 daughter had plucked a single black olive from the salad bar as they rolled past it and popped it into her mouth. I ran upstairs and she was wailing "I have guilt! I have guilt!" Naturally both my wife and I had to stifle our laughter as we sternly told her she would have to make restitution. She begged us not to make her go there in person and she ended up laboriously writing a letter with a penny taped to it that started "By an accident..."
 
2013-01-30 08:27:36 PM
I hope the victim's family sues this kid's family and gets everything, including any nuisance payoff the city attorney decides to pay this woman.
 
2013-01-30 08:51:27 PM
I say take the kid to Baltimore and let Pembleton and Bayliss interrogate him in The Box.
 
2013-01-30 09:07:34 PM

obamadidcoke: If he did do it, He's a stand up guy.
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He remembered the two most important things.  He always kept his mouth shut and he never said anything.

 
2013-01-30 10:02:08 PM
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You have the right to remain silent
 
2013-01-30 10:24:46 PM

KinetiKiteniK: Every day I see articles and youtubes about incompetent policing or involving wanton criminals exercising their police powers over innocents. WTF is wrong with you America? I used to look up to you but now I'm just sad.


Dude. 330 MILLION people. There is a surprsingly small amount of police violence per capita Stateside than many other countries.
 
2013-01-30 10:25:11 PM
Of the many ways to undermine a child's respect for authority, at least two of them are:

1. Hassle the kid for hours on end over something they didn't do.
2. Hassle the kid for hours on end over something they did do, and not be able to make anything stick because you farked up your procedures and/or couldn't get the goods on them.

Regardless of what the kid actually did or didn't do, either now or in the past, it's pretty clear to me that at least one of those two things happened, if not both. And that's absolutely on the school and the NYPD.
 
2013-01-31 01:03:47 AM

ifly4fun: I guess you missed the part where the article said another kid admitted to taking the money?


So you actually believe everything the family's attorney claims?  How cute.
 
2013-01-31 01:23:52 AM

dj_bigbird: Wow, a robbery charge over $5? WTFark.com?


FTFY
 
2013-01-31 01:23:57 AM
"According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city"

Credibility zero.  If you're willing to take that much money away from the safety of your city, because your son got in a fight and was questioned about it more than you like, you are an unreasonable and selfish person.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if the kid stole the money and his friend confessed in order to make the lawsuit more viable.
 
2013-01-31 01:33:25 AM
These are the morons that a lot of you liberal douchbags think we should give up our guns to so we can lay spread eagle as they do whatever the f they want to us.
 
2013-01-31 07:41:20 AM
The obviously weren't using the correct interrogation method
www.highestfive.com
Jack would get a confession, and 3 key players in a terrorist plot in 5 minutes.
 
2013-01-31 08:27:12 AM
As more facts emerge, it looks like the police were less being abusive jackholes and more trying to scare a bad kid straight.  Those efforts are completely undermined by the mom acting the victim.  Assuming the reports of the bullying are correct, this kid is going down a bad road.
 
2013-01-31 10:03:45 AM

Dadoody: These are the morons that a lot of you liberal douchbags think we should give up our guns to so we can lay spread eagle as they do whatever the f they want to us.


You're going to shoot a cop if you're arrested?  You're going to shoot a cop if your kid gets arrested?

How does you having a gun make anything about this situation better in any way?
 
2013-01-31 10:09:01 AM

Felgraf: DrPainMD: Came to read posts from Farkers who are not only outraged about this, but also who vote for the same politicians who won't do anything about it and ridicule everybody who votes for people who would do something about it. Left satisfied, and somewhat disgusted.

Really? I don't think a lot of the people in this thread vote for law&order, "prove you're a US citizen with papers if you're in Arizona", authoritative republicans.

That is what you meant, right?


The Democrats' record on tolerating police and prosecutorial corruption is every bit as bad as the Republicans.
 
2013-01-31 10:58:24 AM

DrPainMD: Felgraf: DrPainMD: Came to read posts from Farkers who are not only outraged about this, but also who vote for the same politicians who won't do anything about it and ridicule everybody who votes for people who would do something about it. Left satisfied, and somewhat disgusted.

Really? I don't think a lot of the people in this thread vote for law&order, "prove you're a US citizen with papers if you're in Arizona", authoritative republicans.

That is what you meant, right?

The Democrats' record on tolerating police and prosecutorial corruption is every bit as bad as the Republicans.


Wow, it's not often that people are so obvious about their BSABSVR. Maybe you really are a troll and you've just been too subtle for me up until now.

On the off chance that you are serious, who are those politicians you were talking about who would "do something about it", and what were their proposed remedies?
 
2013-01-31 12:44:16 PM

Mithiwithi: DrPainMD: Felgraf: DrPainMD: Came to read posts from Farkers who are not only outraged about this, but also who vote for the same politicians who won't do anything about it and ridicule everybody who votes for people who would do something about it. Left satisfied, and somewhat disgusted.

Really? I don't think a lot of the people in this thread vote for law&order, "prove you're a US citizen with papers if you're in Arizona", authoritative republicans.

That is what you meant, right?

The Democrats' record on tolerating police and prosecutorial corruption is every bit as bad as the Republicans.

Wow, it's not often that people are so obvious about their BSABSVR. Maybe you really are a troll and you've just been too subtle for me up until now.

On the off chance that you are serious, who are those politicians you were talking about who would "do something about it", and what were their proposed remedies?


The libertarians have very strong policies concerning the limits of government powers and penalties for abusing it.
 
2013-01-31 12:45:00 PM
PS. The proposed remedies are to treat criminals like criminals, even if they work for the government.
 
2013-01-31 05:39:05 PM

Mithiwithi: Maybe you really are a troll and you've just been too subtle for me up until now.


I have him bookmarked as defending slavery in thread 737029.
 
2013-01-31 08:21:13 PM

phyrkrakr: Mithiwithi: Maybe you really are a troll and you've just been too subtle for me up until now.

I have him bookmarked as defending slavery in thread 737029.


i290.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-31 09:32:15 PM

Fano: phyrkrakr: Mithiwithi: Maybe you really are a troll and you've just been too subtle for me up until now.

I have him bookmarked as defending slavery in thread 737029.

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I'll be in my debunked.
 
2013-01-31 10:35:09 PM

DrPainMD: Came to read posts from Farkers who are not only outraged about this, but also who vote for the same politicians who won't do anything about it and ridicule everybody who votes for people who would do something about it. Left satisfied, and somewhat disgusted.


Not living in New York, I can't vote against Mayor Bloomberg. But you probably can't see facts like that through the thick cloud of smug that hovers around you.
 
2013-02-01 02:43:47 AM

phyrkrakr: Mithiwithi: Maybe you really are a troll and you've just been too subtle for me up until now.

I have him bookmarked as defending slavery in thread 737029.


Even tho I've never defended slavery, here or anywhere else? Why would you do that?
 
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