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(Opposing Views)   If you can't get a 7-year-old to confess that he stole $5 after 10 hours of interrogation, he probably didn't steal it   (opposingviews.com) divider line 172
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2013-01-30 10:38:29 AM  
"If you have a child, a nephew, can you even imagine this happening to them?"

Maybe.... what race is my child or nephew?
 
2013-01-30 10:59:28 AM  
Wow, a robbery charge over $5? WTF?
 
2013-01-30 11:28:08 AM  
Clicks link. Yup.

How did I know this would either be a Hispanic or black kid?
 
2013-01-30 11:48:50 AM  
How in the Hell did they think they could interrogate a 7 year old child without a parent present? A child that age can't understand his rights under the Constitution, and so even if they *DID* read him his rights, any information they did get couldn't be used against him. Any competent lawyer would be able to get that thrown out of court in a New York Minute.
 
2013-01-30 12:41:30 PM  
"Can you say lawsuit?"
 
2013-01-30 12:42:09 PM  
I hope this kid enjoys the millions of dollars the tax payers on NY are about to pay him, and I hope the cops who were responsible for this enjoy their paid suspension.

Disgusting
 
2013-01-30 12:53:17 PM  
www.scenicreflections.com
 
2013-01-30 01:01:01 PM  

dittybopper: How in the Hell did they think they could interrogate a 7 year old child without a parent present? A child that age can't understand his rights under the Constitution, and so even if they *DID* read him his rights, any information they did get couldn't be used against him. Any competent lawyer would be able to get that thrown out of court in a New York Minute.


How does the police not know about this? Every other lawyer show on tv has an episode per season dealing with questioning of minors. The school also should know that a child needs to be with a parent of someone from social services serving as an advocate to be interrogated. If the school didn't attempt to stop the police from questioning or taking the boy, the kid's family should sue them after they finish with NYPD.

The kid should also get a trip to Disney when the money rolls in.
 
2013-01-30 01:01:51 PM  
There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time.

Inquisitor Lord Fyodor Karamazov
codex Witchhunters, 3rd edition
 
2013-01-30 01:06:15 PM  

what_now: I hope this kid enjoys the millions of dollars the tax payers on NY are about to pay him, and I hope the cops who were responsible for this enjoy their paid suspension.


in fairness, they probably WILL enjoy their paid suspension. I know I wouldn't mind some extra paid time off, and I am sure they won't, either.

But yeah... this family is going to get a lot of money because you cannot legally interrogate a minor without the parents or a lawyer present.  I am pretty sure that is covered in the GED version of law school, even.
 
2013-01-30 01:08:31 PM  
sometimes I think reading fark is bad for me. Stories like this just make me so depressed.
 
2013-01-30 01:08:43 PM  

serpent_sky: what_now: I hope this kid enjoys the millions of dollars the tax payers on NY are about to pay him, and I hope the cops who were responsible for this enjoy their paid suspension.

in fairness, they probably WILL enjoy their paid suspension. I know I wouldn't mind some extra paid time off, and I am sure they won't, either.

But yeah... this family is going to get a lot of money because you cannot legally interrogate a minor without the parents or a lawyer present.  I am pretty sure that is covered in the GED version of law school, even.


was the kid 'off white'?  had a hispanic or 'ethnic' sounding name?  cops probably figured he was guilty of something so why not just go ahead and interrogate him for hours and hours.  it's not like he had any rights.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-30 01:11:30 PM  
According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false
 
2013-01-30 01:16:03 PM  
Snitches get riches?
 
2013-01-30 01:19:17 PM  
Did they try crushing his fingers like grapes?  Did they try crushing his grapes like grapes?  Jeez, they really didn't want to find out the answer to this mystery, did they.
 
2013-01-30 01:24:51 PM  

ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false


And no judge will do that. Like in any other similar litigation, the price was and is driven by lawyers, and it's highly likely based upon precident.

The $250 mil here is indeed seen as high by sensible people; sensible people should also focus their attention on the police who basically handed the civilians in question this lawsuit.
 
2013-01-30 01:28:17 PM  
That's just wrong, any seasoned interrogator would have broke out the waterboarding long before that.
 
2013-01-30 01:38:49 PM  

ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false


I don't think so.

Imagine if this were a speeding ticket. If an individual were to get it, perhaps a fine of $200 would be appropriate. But what if the law says that a hired driver isn't responsible for for his actions, but his employer is. A $200 fine to a large company might not even be noticeable on their books. That's the situation here: The individual officers will likely not face any serious punishment because they have qualified immunity. Their employer, therefore, must be "encouraged" through the use of high fines to ensure that their employees follow the law.
 
2013-01-30 01:46:51 PM  
Oh? He was only detained for 4 hrs and 40 minutes? That's all. Well that makes it all better. Every one of these arseholes should lose their jobs, homes and every farking penny they have. http://www.nydailynews.com/boy-cuffed-held-kid-money-article-1.125092 8
 
2013-01-30 01:52:41 PM  
He beat up a weaker kid and took his money. That's a robbery.

The police say his mother was there the whole time, and that he was at the station for less than 5 hours (I've spent that long trying to get my license renewed), unwad your panties.

If you want to b*tch about them arresting a 7 year old, advocate for a change in the law that requires them to do so.
 
2013-01-30 01:53:53 PM  
So the little punk punched the kid in the face and then took the money.  fark the lil bastard, he got what he deserved.
 
2013-01-30 02:03:21 PM  
This is why I take "confessions" with a grain of salt.

Never ever ever ever talk to the police alone.... ever. If they want to talk to you at the station or ask you a few questions get a lawyer.
 
2013-01-30 02:12:34 PM  

dittybopper: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

I don't think so.

Imagine if this were a speeding ticket. If an individual were to get it, perhaps a fine of $200 would be appropriate. But what if the law says that a hired driver isn't responsible for for his actions, but his employer is. A $200 fine to a large company might not even be noticeable on their books. That's the situation here: The individual officers will likely not face any serious punishment because they have qualified immunity. Their employer, therefore, must be "encouraged" through the use of high fines to ensure that their employees follow the law.


True, but I still think a QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS is a bit too much. $25M, maybe. But not $250M.

And those cops should be fired and forbidden to work in law enforcement ever again.
 
2013-01-30 02:14:18 PM  
Well, with a surname like Reyes, could you blame them?
 
2013-01-30 02:15:50 PM  

dj_bigbird: Oh? He was only detained for 4 hrs and 40 minutes? That's all. Well that makes it all better. Every one of these arseholes should lose their jobs, homes and every farking penny they have. http://www.nydailynews.com/boy-cuffed-held-kid-money-article-1.125092 8


Police arrested the child in his third-grade classroom at Public School 114 on Cromwell Ave., detained him at the school for four hours and then kept him in custody at the 44th Precinct for six hours
 
2013-01-30 02:21:51 PM  

ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false


Agreed, I mean, yes, there should probably be some sort of settlement here, but.... $250 million?  WTF do you even get that number?

Is this the same woman who claimed her boyfriend gave her 5 $1 million dollar bills to use to buy groceries at Walmart... and didn't have to cognitive ability to go "Wait a minute"....
 
2013-01-30 02:34:44 PM  

xanadian: dittybopper: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

I don't think so.

Imagine if this were a speeding ticket. If an individual were to get it, perhaps a fine of $200 would be appropriate. But what if the law says that a hired driver isn't responsible for for his actions, but his employer is. A $200 fine to a large company might not even be noticeable on their books. That's the situation here: The individual officers will likely not face any serious punishment because they have qualified immunity. Their employer, therefore, must be "encouraged" through the use of high fines to ensure that their employees follow the law.

True, but I still think a QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS is a bit too much. $25M, maybe. But not $250M.

And those cops should be fired and forbidden to work in law enforcement ever again.


Two additional things:

1. We're talking about New York City, the city with perhaps the deepest pockets in the US.
2. That's an initial bargaining position.
 
2013-01-30 02:40:50 PM  
They didn't taze him?  Come on NYPD, you are slipping!

But seriously, what a waste of police resources in taking that long to question him.  Poor kid is gonna be traumatized.
 
2013-01-30 02:40:57 PM  
They should have waterboarded him.  That would have gotten him to talk.
 
2013-01-30 02:46:31 PM  
I was illegally interrogated by the police as a child, so I'm really getting a kick...
 
2013-01-30 02:46:55 PM  
Obviously you've never dealt with a seven year old.


/father of a seven and a four year old
//need to be Matlock to figure out who broke the coffee mug.
 
2013-01-30 02:48:56 PM  
I read the Gothamist daily, and this isn't the first time a story has surfaced about the NYPD acting like assholes.  Usually though, they save their assholery for grown-ups.
 
2013-01-30 02:53:02 PM  
Stay classy NYPD.
 
2013-01-30 02:55:29 PM  

dletter: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

Agreed, I mean, yes, there should probably be some sort of settlement here, but.... $250 million?  WTF do you even get that number?


Not even her attorney thinks for a moment they will get that amount in a settlement, or judgement.
You toss out a high number, and negotiate down.
 
2013-01-30 02:55:53 PM  

dj_bigbird: Wow, a robbery charge over $5? WTF?


Maybe he stole from the united police doughnut fund.
 
2013-01-30 02:56:24 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obviously you've never dealt with a seven year old.


/father of a seven and a four year old
//need to be Matlock to figure out who broke the coffee mug.


Their alibi was tripped up by a parking / traffic ticket?
 
2013-01-30 02:57:15 PM  
Came to read posts from Farkers who are not only outraged about this, but also who vote for the same politicians who won't do anything about it and ridicule everybody who votes for people who would do something about it. Left satisfied, and somewhat disgusted.
 
2013-01-30 02:57:38 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: dletter: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

Agreed, I mean, yes, there should probably be some sort of settlement here, but.... $250 million?  WTF do you even get that number?

Not even her attorney thinks for a moment they will get that amount in a settlement, or judgement.
You toss out a high number, and negotiate down.


I do hope the family gets something out of this, and not just peanuts. While I can see having a cop handy to put the fear of God into a kid (yes, I also have--or had--a seven year old, he's now 9) just with his presence, hauling the kid off to jail in cuffs and keeping him there for 6+ hours is just a tad bit extreme. And when I say "a tad bit," I mean SERIOUSLY WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE!??!?
 
2013-01-30 02:58:16 PM  
it's amazing to me how much different this article is to a different one I read earlier today. The other one had it like the 7 yo knocked down a 9 yo and took the 5.00 from his pocket.
 
2013-01-30 02:58:52 PM  
Ah great it's one of those sites with a sidebar on the mobile site that blocks 1/3 of the screen and can't be closed. Guess I'm not reading that.
 
2013-01-30 02:59:57 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: "If you have a child, a nephew, can you even imagine this happening to them?"

Maybe.... what race is my child or nephew?


Hispanic, obviously. If he was black the cops would have just shot the little bastard.
 
m00
2013-01-30 03:00:37 PM  
I am completely outraged the interrogation lasted 5 hours. One quick look at him confirms that he's guilty.
 
2013-01-30 03:02:01 PM  
Subby has never had to deal with a stubborn 7 year old.
 
2013-01-30 03:02:29 PM  

ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false


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I'll take true for $50 Alex.
 
2013-01-30 03:03:57 PM  
His attorney is Jack Yankowitz.

That's a bit of overkill.
 
2013-01-30 03:03:57 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I read the Gothamist daily, and this isn't the first time a story has surfaced about the NYPD acting like assholes.  Usually though, they save their assholery for grown-ups.


Don't forget the cannibal cop...
 
2013-01-30 03:06:40 PM  
209.160.41.119

Stan: Butters?
Butters:Yep. I'm in jail.
Kyle: You con-fessed?
Butters: Uh huh. Unh, they said I TP'ed the art teacher's house. I don't seem to remember it, but they're pretty sure it was me. I just can't get my behavior under control!
Officer Barbrady: His parents are on their way down now.
Butters: Yeah. And boy, are they gonna uh let me have it! Just wait till my father gets here!
Butters: Well I'm just a little asshole, is what I am.
 
2013-01-30 03:07:52 PM  

mcreadyblue: ZAZ: According to a $250 million claim that has been filed against the city and the NYPD

If you ask for $250 million for 10 hours of "interrogation and verbal abuse" you should be thrown out of court and fined for a frivolous claim, whether the allegations are true or false

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I'll take true for $50 Alex.


You ask for 250 mil, they offer 50 grand, you settle for a cool million. That's how the game is played.
 
2013-01-30 03:10:34 PM  
WTF did they tell the mom for 5 hours?? She says she heard him crying, in handcuffs - so she was there? I don't want to get all Internet Toughie here, but I can't imagine not being able to get him out of there. If Idiot #1 doesn't cough up the key to the cuffs, then I would be off to find #2. Think about it, enough time stating the situation, to enough people in a police station, someone will agree that interrogating a 7 year old without counsel for 10 hours for $5 is not a good thing. Hell, you could have a lawyer there in 30 minutes, I'm sure. This time thing is really driving me nuts.

I'm also amazed they wanted to keep him that long. I'm pretty sure they would have tossed my kid within 2 hours. At 7, he talked about nothing but Pokemon to anyone who would sit still. After the 50th "you know what a squirtle's revoloution is? I'll tell you..." they'd turn him loose.
 
2013-01-30 03:11:44 PM  

quickdraw: sometimes I think reading fark is bad for me. Stories like this just make me so depressed.


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