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2013-01-30 10:40:35 AM
The party of small government authoritarian theocracy and personal freedom 19th century "civil rights" wants teachers to inform parents of their child's sexual orientation
 
2013-01-30 10:43:45 AM
Ahh good Ole TN. The Alabama of the 2000's.
 
2013-01-30 10:56:02 AM
They don't really trust teachers to properly teach the children, yet they trust them enough to properly determine a child's sexual orientation?

Secondly.  What business is it of theirs?

Will they also be required to tell the parents that their child is an asshole and will likely get his/her butt kicked?
 
2013-01-30 10:59:36 AM
They'd also like them to be able to inquire at gunpoint, if necessary
 
2013-01-30 11:05:41 AM
Anyone else thinking that "family rejection" is the true purpose of this bill? Because I'm having a hard time seeing a point to it that isn't "start sh*t between some LGBT kid and his family, and hope the kid ends up homeless."
 
2013-01-30 11:12:30 AM

Saborlas: Anyone else thinking that "family rejection" is the true purpose of this bill? Because I'm having a hard time seeing a point to it that isn't "start sh*t between some LGBT kid and his family, and hope the kid ends up homeless."


In the whole gay rights battle, this is the shiat that makes me the absolute angriest. Yes, it is about family rejection. It's about getting parents who don't approve aware of their children's sexual orientation so they can shun, convert, or kick them out. About forcing them to change against their personal identity and beliefs and facing pressure to go against everything you feel.

And then, when suicide rates among gay teens go up, they hold that statistic as farking proof of how horrible homosexuality is.
 
2013-01-30 11:16:45 AM
It's 10pm. Do you know if your child is gay?
 
2013-01-30 11:19:54 AM
The bill says that parents should be notified if a student is counseled for behavior injurious to the physical or mental health and well-being of the student or another person.  That sounds reasonable.
 
2013-01-30 11:36:48 AM

SkinnyHead: The bill says that parents should be notified if a student is counseled for behavior injurious to the physical or mental health and well-being of the student or another person.  That sounds reasonable.


Is it also reasonable that SMALL GOVERNMENT conservatives want to make a new law that defines which topics are permissible for teachers/school counselors to counsel students on? Doesn't that take the "counseling" power away from the people granted it (or is that the point, in which case, why not simply make hiring school counselors illegal)? Aren't the students now left with fewer avenues for adult support, rather than more?

In short, while it may appear reasonable, it's not. At all.

// sort of makes them "not-counselors", really
// they're just "parent-philosophy-reinforcers", or by a better name "social propagandists"
// and I think TPM may have forgotten some grammar with the second pull-quote ("A school counselor, nurse, principal or assistant principal from counseling a student"...wat) that may prove useful in understanding
 
2013-01-30 11:41:55 AM

Dr Dreidel: Is it also reasonable that SMALL GOVERNMENT conservatives want to make a new law that defines which topics are permissible for teachers/school counselors to counsel students on? Doesn't that take the "counseling" power away from the people granted it (or is that the point, in which case, why not simply make hiring school counselors illegal)? Aren't the students now left with fewer avenues for adult support, rather than more?

In short, while it may appear reasonable, it's not. At all.

// sort of makes them "not-counselors", really
// they're just "parent-philosophy-reinforcers", or by a better name "social propagandists"
// and I think TPM may have forgotten some grammar with the second pull-quote ("A school counselor, nurse, principal or assistant principal from counseling a student"...wat) that may prove useful in understanding


Do. Not. Respond. To. Him.
 
2013-01-30 11:55:03 AM
The Republican party is anything but pro-small government. It's called projection. They are the exact opposite of what they claim to be and they accuse the other side of everything they are guilty of. It's standard operating procedure and there are dozens of examples of it.
 
2013-01-30 11:55:36 AM

Bloody William: Do. Not. Respond. To. Him.


...fark. I gotta color that fella.

// mea culpa
 
2013-01-30 11:57:17 AM
Wait, are these the brave teachers who need to carry guns to school that we're talking about, or the lazy union thugs?
 
2013-01-30 12:04:01 PM

mahuika: Wait, are these the brave teachers who need to carry guns to school that we're talking about, or the lazy union thugs?


Brave, non-union, minimum wage guardians of our children's health, safety and right-thinking
 
2013-01-30 12:06:29 PM

Mugato: The Republican party is anything but pro-small government. It's called projection. They are the exact opposite of what they claim to be and they accuse the other side of everything they are guilty of. It's standard operating procedure and there are dozens of examples of it.


No you diint!

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2013-01-30 12:24:22 PM

Saborlas: Anyone else thinking that "family rejection" is the true purpose of this bill? Because I'm having a hard time seeing a point to it that isn't "start sh*t between some LGBT kid and his family, and hope the kid ends up homeless."


Close, but not far enough: They want the gay kids to kill themselves, not end up homeless.
 
2013-01-30 12:24:47 PM

GiantRex: The party of small government authoritarian theocracy and personal freedom 19th century "civil rights" wants teachers to inform parents of their child's sexual orientation


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2013-01-30 12:24:59 PM
I'm sorry but that's just wrong. This is a job for a priest.
 
2013-01-30 12:25:31 PM
So now there's even fewer adults that troubled youth will feel comfortable talking to.  Great idea.
 
2013-01-30 12:25:44 PM
So this is another tool to help parents 'de-program' the gay out of their kids?

Will it be followed-up by the requirement of teachers to contact the parents if they suspect the kid might not believe in God anymore?
 
2013-01-30 12:25:57 PM
How exactly will teachers tell parents their kid is gay, since TN teachers aren't allowed to say "gay"?

/From TN
//So glad I escaped
///SLASHIES
 
2013-01-30 12:26:24 PM

I_Am_Weasel: They don't really trust teachers to properly teach the children, yet they trust them enough to properly determine a child's sexual orientation?

Secondly.  What business is it of theirs?

Will they also be required to tell the parents that their child is an asshole and will likely get his/her butt kicked?


Cut education to the bone, overload teachers with things other than teaching, complain that public education doesn't work, profit!
 
2013-01-30 12:26:25 PM

Lionel Mandrake: So now there's even fewer adults that troubled youth will feel comfortable talking to.  Great idea.


All the better to ostracize them and make sure they have zero resources and can't ask anyone for help.
 
2013-01-30 12:26:53 PM

Dr Dreidel: Bloody William: Do. Not. Respond. To. Him.

...fark. I gotta color that fella.

// mea culpa


I think the derp dam burst as many shills are posting today.
 
2013-01-30 12:27:04 PM
"Mrs Smith, we think little Bobby might be a homosexual. So we told him to put on some sparkly athletic pants, smack his teammates on the ass, and strip naked for a group shower. That'll cure him right away."
 
2013-01-30 12:27:09 PM
I thought that party didn't want any discussions of sexual orientation in school.
 
2013-01-30 12:27:48 PM

Lackofname: How exactly will teachers tell parents their kid is gay, since TN teachers aren't allowed to say "gay"?


It will all be in pantomime and possibly will involve dolls that look like Richard Simmons and Ellen DeGeneres.
 
2013-01-30 12:29:11 PM

SkinnyHead: The bill says that parents should be notified if a student is counseled for behavior injurious to the physical or mental health and well-being of the student or another person.  That sounds reasonable.


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2013-01-30 12:29:15 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Saborlas: Anyone else thinking that "family rejection" is the true purpose of this bill? Because I'm having a hard time seeing a point to it that isn't "start sh*t between some LGBT kid and his family, and hope the kid ends up homeless."

Close, but not far enough: They want the gay kids to kill themselves, not end up homeless.


I think that is unfair - kids committing suicide is a risk they are willing to run in order to try to get those kids to spend the rest of their lives repressed and self loathing so they can pretend to be "normal"
 
2013-01-30 12:29:23 PM
Wishes he would have known sooner...
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2013-01-30 12:29:44 PM

Bloody William: Saborlas: Anyone else thinking that "family rejection" is the true purpose of this bill? Because I'm having a hard time seeing a point to it that isn't "start sh*t between some LGBT kid and his family, and hope the kid ends up homeless."

In the whole gay rights battle, this is the shiat that makes me the absolute angriest. Yes, it is about family rejection. It's about getting parents who don't approve aware of their children's sexual orientation so they can shun, convert, or kick them out. About forcing them to change against their personal identity and beliefs and facing pressure to go against everything you feel.

And then, when suicide rates among gay teens go up, they hold that statistic as farking proof of how horrible homosexuality is.


The irony is that this will happen with parents who proudly claim to support family values and children are the future.
 
2013-01-30 12:29:56 PM
So, Tyler, we were talking to your teacher today and... YOU'RE BUSTED!
 
2013-01-30 12:32:35 PM
calls out students who might be "at risk," but leaves the interpretation of that behavior to the teacher:
at risk? That's a lovely way to refer to it.
 
2013-01-30 12:34:17 PM
If as a society we are going to trust parents to raise their children, then it's not hard to argue that parents have a legitimate need-to-know concerning this sort of thing. They can't respond to what's going on in their kids' lives -an absolutely critical part of child-rearing- if important details are being hidden from them.
 
2013-01-30 12:34:58 PM
Why stop there? Why not make all people in Tenn. publically announce their sexuality?
 
2013-01-30 12:35:27 PM

Millennium: If as a society we are going to trust parents to raise their children, then it's not hard to argue that parents have a legitimate need-to-know concerning this sort of thing. They can't respond to what's going on in their kids' lives -an absolutely critical part of child-rearing- if important details are being hidden from them.


If kids are hiding their sexual orientation from their parents, it's because they know their parents are either going to reject them or try to change them.

If your kid comes out to their teacher instead of to you? It's because you've already totally failed as a parent.
 
2013-01-30 12:37:03 PM
I can't wait until the first "I was just trying to ascertain the sexual preference of the child," defence. That'll be a good court case.
 
2013-01-30 12:37:55 PM

Millennium: If as a society we are going to trust parents to raise their children, then it's not hard to argue that parents have a legitimate need-to-know concerning this sort of thing. They can't respond to what's going on in their kids' lives -an absolutely critical part of child-rearing- if important details are being hidden from them.


The problem is, the students are going to counseling often because they know their parents will be very hostile to them if they come out. What this bill aims to do is violate that privileged relationship, and force the school to out students to their parents.

Which will lead to more parent hostilities, rejection, suicide, homelessness, etc.
 
2013-01-30 12:38:18 PM
This is missing from TFA - from one of the linkies:

"At grade levels pre-K through eight (pre-K-8), any such classroom instruction, course materials or other informational resources that are inconsistent with natural human reproduction shall be classified as inappropriate for the intended student audience and, therefore, shall be prohibited. [Bolding ours] "
 
2013-01-30 12:38:20 PM
Outing kids to their parents. That's awesome. Does this bill also include increased funding for homeless services, housing and mental health services (no)?

Bloody William is right, and it's a goddamn travesty that "public representatives" should be advancing policy designed specifically to harm an already at-risk population. What's next on the docket, the Kick Rape Victims In The Box And Shove Them bill?
 
2013-01-30 12:38:42 PM

Genevieve Marie: If kids are hiding their sexual orientation from their parents, it's because they know think their parents are either going to reject them or try to change them.


FTFY. Happens all the time, almost always wrong.
 
2013-01-30 12:39:07 PM
I'm not all that familiar with this effort in TN, but there wasn't a mention of homosexual, gay, or LGBT in that excerpt from the legislation in TFA. Am I missing something?
 
2013-01-30 12:40:49 PM

Millennium: Genevieve Marie: If kids are hiding their sexual orientation from their parents, it's because they know think their parents are either going to reject them or try to change them.

FTFY. Happens all the time, almost always wrong.


Except for all of the homeless LGBT street kids for whom it was right.
 
2013-01-30 12:41:08 PM
Actually, if that lame attempt is the best I can do, then I think I'll ban myself for today.
 
2013-01-30 12:41:13 PM
If the teachers can't "say" it, maybe TN could have state-funded mimes inform the parents that their kid may have teh ghey.

Or maybe TN could grow the fark up and try to join the rest of the modern world.
 
2013-01-30 12:41:57 PM

Dr Dreidel: SkinnyHead: The bill says that parents should be notified if a student is counseled for behavior injurious to the physical or mental health and well-being of the student or another person.  That sounds reasonable.

Is it also reasonable that SMALL GOVERNMENT conservatives want to make a new law that defines which topics are permissible for teachers/school counselors to counsel students on? Doesn't that take the "counseling" power away from the people granted it (or is that the point, in which case, why not simply make hiring school counselors illegal)? Aren't the students now left with fewer avenues for adult support, rather than more?

In short, while it may appear reasonable, it's not. At all.

// sort of makes them "not-counselors", really
// they're just "parent-philosophy-reinforcers", or by a better name "social propagandists"
// and I think TPM may have forgotten some grammar with the second pull-quote ("A school counselor, nurse, principal or assistant principal from counseling a student"...wat) that may prove useful in understanding


Small government has nothing to do with it.  Public schools are a part government.  It is reasonable for the people, through their elected representatives, to determine what goes on in public schools.  And it is not  unreasonable for them to determine that K-8 counselors should not be counseling students on sexual matters.
 
2013-01-30 12:42:49 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Millennium: Genevieve Marie: If kids are hiding their sexual orientation from their parents, it's because they know think their parents are either going to reject them or try to change them.

FTFY. Happens all the time, almost always wrong.

Except for all of the homeless LGBT street kids for whom it was right.


Yup. And the kids forced into group homes that provide conversion therapy, which is also shown to present a heightened risk of suicide.

There are some really tremendously shiatty parents out there.
 
2013-01-30 12:43:23 PM
Oh, it's this asshole:

Campfield is also well known for his controversial remarks about homosexuality. In a January 2012 interview with Michelangelo Signorile, he stated "most people realize that AIDS came from the homosexual community - it was one guy screwing a monkey, if I recall correctly, and then having sex with men. It was an airline pilot, if I recall.... My understanding is that it is virtually - not completely, but virtually - impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex...very rarely [transmitted]." He later quoted the odds of heterosexual vaginal transmission at 1 in 5 million.

Medical authority sources disagree: "When risk is assessed per act of unprotected vaginal intercourse" (between an infected male and a female partner), "the chance of HIV transmission is estimated to be between 1 in 500 and 1 in 1000." Contrary to Campfield's statement, HIV was passed from monkey to human through hunting, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the World Health Organization. HIV was then transmitted among humans largely via unprotected heterosexual sex, which is the cause of most African cases of AIDS. Health experts have expressed concern about the possible health consequences of Campfield's remarks.

When later asked about his comments, Campfield said that some of his comments were taken out of context, saying that "I'm not a historian on AIDS ... but I've read and seen what other people have read and seen and those facts are out there."
 
2013-01-30 12:43:54 PM

Genevieve Marie: If kids are hiding their sexual orientation from their parents, it's because they know their parents are either going to reject them or try to change them.


Or because kids hear that "coming out" to your folks is SUCH a huge deal, and did you hear that Bobby's parents kicked him out without letting him pack a bag, and one of the "It Gets Better" kids killed himself, and if everyone knows you're gay, the bullies will kill you...

Some kids may psych themselves out of telling their very loving, supportive parents. It's a big deal, even if you know your folks will be OK with it - you're making some pretty big news public. Let's not pretend that it's every parent's worst fear, though.

// and this proposal is still pretty stupid
// I know several people who freaked out - one for a few months of very little eating and sleeping - at the though of coming out to their folks, only to find a very loving pair of people and be left wondering what they were so fearful of
// kids, amirite? Almost as though they haven't fully developed their sense of rationality or "thinking things through" yet...
 
2013-01-30 12:43:55 PM
The Republican Party: "No, no, no, I said, 'Do as I say!!!'"
 
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