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(Huffington Post)   Arkansas Senate passes bill allowing concealed guns in church, where it will now be every amen for himself   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 131
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2013-01-30 09:48:44 AM
I wonder if this law extends to mosques too.  My guess is that it doesn't...
 
2013-01-30 09:56:53 AM
Great.  Armed Christians in crazy Ozark redneck churches with pastors telling them who to hate and who they should kill for Jesus.

This should turn out splendidly.
 
2013-01-30 10:02:31 AM
Can we put all Arkasansians in a large church, lock the doors, and then tell everyone inside that one of them is hoarding the Wild Turkey?
 
2013-01-30 10:19:47 AM
jobs jobs jobs
 
2013-01-30 10:26:39 AM
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2013-01-30 10:30:05 AM
I'm surprised that there was currently a ban on concealed weapons in churches, to begin with.
 
2013-01-30 10:42:16 AM
Why the hell do people have such a problem with this? I don't go to church, but if I did, why shouldn't I be able to defend myself?
 
2013-01-30 10:50:01 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Why the hell do people have such a problem with this?



It's not that anyone has a problem with it.  It has more to do with the silliness of legislators deciding it's worth the time and effort to pass a law that allows carrying guns in church, of all places.  Like that is a huge concern right now...people being attacked in church and needing to defend themselves.  With guns.
 
2013-01-30 11:08:52 AM
Southern Evangelicals are not Christians.
 
2013-01-30 11:09:55 AM
Jesus will save them
 
2013-01-30 11:09:56 AM
Well, glad that's settled... *rolls eyes*

shiat kickers and their guns...
 
2013-01-30 11:10:00 AM
"...he will be referred to as a 'disgruntled worshipper."

/carlin was right
 
2013-01-30 11:10:21 AM

Trivia Jockey: jehovahs witness protection: Why the hell do people have such a problem with this?


It's not that anyone has a problem with it.  It has more to do with the silliness of legislators deciding it's worth the time and effort to pass a law that allows carrying guns in church, of all places.  Like that is a huge concern right now...people being attacked in church and needing to defend themselves.  With guns.


Tell that to George Tiller.
 
2013-01-30 11:10:24 AM
In God we trust. Everyone else keep your hands where I can see them.
 
2013-01-30 11:10:27 AM

Citrate1007: Southern Evangelicals are not Christians.


jjr1971.typepad.com
 
2013-01-30 11:11:24 AM

HallsOfMandos: "...he will be referred to as a 'disgruntled worshipper.'"

/carlin was right


Quotation mark fail - fixed.
 
2013-01-30 11:12:13 AM
Shows how much these people love and trust their god to protect and save them.
 
2013-01-30 11:12:31 AM

SN1987a goes boom: Tell that to George Tiller.


One incident 4 years ago does not a problem make.
 
2013-01-30 11:14:40 AM
Aren't churches private property and each one could have set it's own policy the way they wanted it anyway?
 
2013-01-30 11:15:31 AM

jehovahs witness protection: Why the hell do people have such a problem with this? I don't go to church, but if I did, why shouldn't I be able to defend myself?


Since churches are (sorta) private property, it should be up to them. I don't mind your church allowing guns if you don't mind mine banning them. Violators' souls will be towed.
 
2013-01-30 11:17:01 AM

KarmicDisaster: Aren't churches private property and each one could have set it's own policy the way they wanted it anyway?


Not previously.
 
2013-01-30 11:18:27 AM

Nofun: I wonder if this law extends to mosques too.  My guess is that it doesn't...


Of course it does, you don't think they actually thought through all the unintended consequences do you?
 
2013-01-30 11:18:55 AM

Trivia Jockey: jehovahs witness protection: Why the hell do people have such a problem with this?


It's not that anyone has a problem with it.  It has more to do with the silliness of legislators deciding it's worth the time and effort to pass a law that allows carrying guns in church, of all places.  Like that is a huge concern right now...people being attacked in church and needing to defend themselves.  With guns.


Fark must have missed this story from this last Sunday. Link
 
2013-01-30 11:19:33 AM

KarmicDisaster: Aren't churches private property and each one could have set it's own policy the way they wanted it anyway?


Are you saying that you do not believe, as opponents of this measure obviously do, that state government should manage the policies of churches?
 
2013-01-30 11:20:56 AM
Think of it as evolution in action?
 
2013-01-30 11:21:33 AM
As you walk past a church scream "Allahu Ackbar!" and light off a pack of firecrackers. Just to see what happens.
 
2013-01-30 11:21:52 AM

KarmicDisaster: Aren't churches private property and each one could have set it's own policy the way they wanted it anyway?


Bars are private property too. But I understand why guns are banned in that situation.
 
2013-01-30 11:22:31 AM

Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: Aren't churches private property and each one could have set it's own policy the way they wanted it anyway?

Are you saying that you do not believe, as opponents of this measure obviously do, that state government should manage the policies of churches?


Opponents of a measure overturning a dictate to churches want fewer dictates? Huh?
 
2013-01-30 11:23:36 AM
Aw crap. This means that every church there will end up like the wild west and people will be just shooting each other left and right. Everyone will be dead on the first Sunday they are allowed to carry concealed. There is no avoiding this. If people are allowed to carry guns into their churches, they'll all kill each other.

This kind of thing happens in every single location that people are allowed to carry their gun concealed. EVERYONE WILL DIE. NO EXCEPTIONS.
 
2013-01-30 11:25:23 AM

Holocaust Agnostic: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: Aren't churches private property and each one could have set it's own policy the way they wanted it anyway?

Are you saying that you do not believe, as opponents of this measure obviously do, that state government should manage the policies of churches?

Opponents of a measure overturning a dictate to churches want fewer dictates? Huh?


Scratch that, my eyes are being stupid.
 
2013-01-30 11:25:30 AM
If your an abortion doctor, this might be a good thing. Looking at you Scott Roeder.
 
2013-01-30 11:25:31 AM

Trivia Jockey: It's not that anyone has a problem with it. It has more to do with the silliness of legislators deciding it's worth the time and effort to pass a law that allows carrying guns in church, of all places. Like that is a huge concern right now...people being attacked in church and needing to defend themselves. With guns.



Actually it is since all of the spree killings have occurred in gun free zones, you know like churches are,
 
2013-01-30 11:26:22 AM

Holocaust Agnostic: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: Aren't churches private property and each one could have set it's own policy the way they wanted it anyway?

Are you saying that you do not believe, as opponents of this measure obviously do, that state government should manage the policies of churches?

Opponents of a measure overturning a dictate to churches want fewer dictates? Huh?


I am stating that opponents of the legislation obviously believe that regulation of church policy is a legitimate function of the state.
 
2013-01-30 11:26:31 AM
If i think im going to need to defend myself with deadly force somewhere, i dont go there.
 
2013-01-30 11:29:05 AM

Thank You Black Jesus!: If i think im going to need to defend myself with deadly force somewhere, i dont go there.


I adhere to the same philosophy.
 
2013-01-30 11:30:51 AM

Dimensio: Holocaust Agnostic: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: Aren't churches private property and each one could have set it's own policy the way they wanted it anyway?

Are you saying that you do not believe, as opponents of this measure obviously do, that state government should manage the policies of churches?

Opponents of a measure overturning a dictate to churches want fewer dictates? Huh?

I am stating that opponents of the legislation obviously believe that regulation of church policy is a legitimate function of the state.


I didn't say I believed anything, I just asked a question about the previous state of the law. Also, previously, there was a law that regulated churches. Now there will be another law. Are you saying that both proponents and opponents of the law are in favor of state regulation, because that is the conclusion. If you want to know my opinion I think that it is private property and each church should be able to set it's own rules.
 
2013-01-30 11:31:12 AM

jehovahs witness protection: KarmicDisaster: Aren't churches private property and each one could have set it's own policy the way they wanted it anyway?

Bars are private property too. But I understand why guns are banned in that situation.


Private property that is held open to the public, especially for commercial reasons, is subject to certain regulation that purely private property isn't (at least not under the same level of scrutiny).
 
2013-01-30 11:33:22 AM
I don't have a problem with this. Individual churches, like any other property owner, can still prohibit carrying firearms.

Thank You Black Jesus!: If i think im going to need to defend myself with deadly force somewhere, i dont go there.


This.

Note: Had a concealed carry permit when I lived in Virginia (it was ten bucks!).
 
2013-01-30 11:33:50 AM

KarmicDisaster: Dimensio: Holocaust Agnostic: Dimensio: KarmicDisaster: Aren't churches private property and each one could have set it's own policy the way they wanted it anyway?

Are you saying that you do not believe, as opponents of this measure obviously do, that state government should manage the policies of churches?

Opponents of a measure overturning a dictate to churches want fewer dictates? Huh?

I am stating that opponents of the legislation obviously believe that regulation of church policy is a legitimate function of the state.

I didn't say I believed anything, I just asked a question about the previous state of the law. Also, previously, there was a law that regulated churches. Now there will be another law. Are you saying that both proponents and opponents of the law are in favor of state regulation, because that is the conclusion. If you want to know my opinion I think that it is private property and each church should be able to set it's own rules.


The currently proposed bill will actually remove existing regulation; it does not add new regulation.

The state of Kentucky previously prohibited the carrying of concealed firearms into houses of worship, and this prohibition was listed in state law regarding the issuance of permits to carry concealed deadly weapons. A measure was passed repealing that prohibition, and the entry regarding houses of worship was deleted from the permit-related state law. The passed measure therefore removed regulation, and did not "add law".
 
2013-01-30 11:34:44 AM
The best argument for owning guns I ever found is here:
Link
 
2013-01-30 11:35:33 AM
I hope people "go apostle". For our gene pool's sake.
 
2013-01-30 11:39:14 AM
Turn your cheek, press firmly into the stock and unleash Hell. - Matthew 4:20
 
2013-01-30 11:40:55 AM

Thank You Black Jesus!: If i think im going to need to defend myself with deadly force somewhere, i dont go there.


So gangbangers and such never travel to "safer" areas to commit their crimes? You never know when or where somebody is going to attack. So called safe zones are where most mass killings take place.
 
2013-01-30 11:41:28 AM
It's my understanding that the last time somebody handed a deeply Christian Arkansas man a gun, he went and shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die...
 
2013-01-30 11:41:39 AM

Iceman_Cometh: Fark must have missed this story from this last Sunday. Link


That situation played itself out, leaving innocent people poorer and scared as hell, but unharmed. Tell me how "White Hats" would have improved the situation by establishing a standoff and/or crossfire in a crowed room with a group of crooks who had gotten the drop on them?
 
2013-01-30 11:43:17 AM
Wasn't the whole guns in church thing covered with a great degree of irony by Mark Twain in Huckleberry Finn?

I guess it's a step up, our politics is generally more Honey Boo Boo than classic satire.
 
2013-01-30 11:45:47 AM
Why are some people so afraid of the world that they feel that they need to carry a gun with them everywhere they go?

I understand that there are some people that have certain jobs that put them at a certain risk were they would need to carry, but the paper pusher down the street from you doesn't have any need to carry.
 
2013-01-30 11:45:55 AM
What's it like to go through life so scared and paranoid that you need to bring your security blankie gun with you everywhere you go?
 
2013-01-30 11:48:58 AM

ongbok: Why are some people so afraid of the world that they feel that they need to carry a gun with them everywhere they go?

I understand that there are some people that have certain jobs that put them at a certain risk were they would need to carry, but the paper pusher down the street from you doesn't have any need to carry.


You are correct. A demonstration of "need" should be the legal arbiter of all action.
 
2013-01-30 11:49:37 AM
As a devout agnostic who is pretty uncomfortable with the sudden need to bring a gun everywhere that has cropped up, I'm kind of confused:

Was there a law banning guns in churches?

Is any legislation on the topic even Constitutional?

I mean, is there a list of items that the government bans in churches that I've just never heard of?
 
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