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2013-01-30 10:34:05 AM  
It will never be complete until I can slap SimJoffrey. Repeatedly.

/and then a trip to Littlefinger's brothel
 
2013-01-30 10:45:06 AM  
That is...I mean...wow....I ......ummmmm.... damn
 
2013-01-30 12:25:57 PM  
They should've just drawn a map. I haven't seen a good map anywhere apart from the inside cover, which looks like shiat on kindle and is a biatch to refer to.
 
2013-01-30 12:27:42 PM  
Christ that show is addictive.  I basically watched the entire first season non-stop last weekend.
 
2013-01-30 12:50:49 PM  
Hodor.
 
2013-01-30 01:03:36 PM  
I like the "ain't nobody got time for that" lady pictured in the article's comments
 
2013-01-30 01:11:34 PM  
Meh, I'd be impressed if they pulled it off in survival mode.
 
2013-01-30 01:11:52 PM  
Next up: Minecraft recreation of the topography of Cersei's vagina.
 
2013-01-30 01:35:39 PM  
That ...makes my dinky little hand-made city look like boring ol suburbia.

Wow.
 
2013-01-30 01:40:47 PM  

brap: Christ that show is addictive.  I basically watched the entire first season non-stop last weekend.


Try reading the books. I started reading them a few months ago, and I'm still going, and there's never a boring bit to it.
 
2013-01-30 01:43:39 PM  
Also, the river needs to be much wider. Wide enough to have full scale naval combat between at least dozens of ships.
 
2013-01-30 01:45:19 PM  

Uakronkid: brap: Christ that show is addictive.  I basically watched the entire first season non-stop last weekend.

Try reading the books. I started reading them a few months ago, and I'm still going, and there's never a boring bit to it.


Have you read Feast for Crows yet? Spoilers below if you haven't...

Feast is all secondary characters and sometimes drags on and on, don't feel bad about skipping sections. When I did a reread of the series, I skipped the entire book. Eventually some of the secondary characters might become PoV characters in the main arc and Feast's stuff becomes more relevant, but it hasn't so far.

/my two cents
 
2013-01-30 01:46:34 PM  

Uakronkid: brap: Christ that show is addictive.  I basically watched the entire first season non-stop last weekend.

Try reading the books. I started reading them a few months ago, and I'm still going, and there's never a boring bit to it.


You must have not have read Feast for Crows yet.
 
2013-01-30 01:49:52 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Feast is all secondary characters and sometimes drags on and on, don't feel bad about skipping sections. When I did a reread of the series, I skipped the entire book. Eventually some of the secondary characters might become PoV characters in the main arc and Feast's stuff becomes more relevant, but it hasn't so far.


Today's secondary characters are tomorrow's central characters.
 
2013-01-30 01:50:11 PM  
I've reached my limit on being impressed by Minecraft or Lego. I'm convinced that anyone with enough time could make anything with those things. If someone said, "Steve made a 1:1 replica of Africa in Minecraft" I'd think that Steve was probably autistic and had a LOT of time on his hands... not that it was really super cool.

I liked Minecraft survival mode, though. If someone made something in survival mode I'd think it was neat. I made a Launch Arco in survival mode and it felt like a project, like it was fun. And stuff was trying to kill me while I was doing it.
 
2013-01-30 01:51:20 PM  

houginator: Uakronkid: brap: Christ that show is addictive.  I basically watched the entire first season non-stop last weekend.

Try reading the books. I started reading them a few months ago, and I'm still going, and there's never a boring bit to it.

You must have not have read Feast for Crows yet.


Between Feast and how A Dance With Dragons did so little plot advancement in so many pages, I'm leery of the next book. I'm hoping some editor will smack some sense into Martin, otherwise all future books are going to be at least 40% "Martin rambles about shiat, brings people back from the dead, and generally stalls plot advancement".

/plus it doesn't help the majority of the interesting PoV characters are dead
//oh hooray Cersei is a PoV character now, just what I always wanted
 
2013-01-30 01:52:57 PM  

HoFChaos: ha-ha-guy: Feast is all secondary characters and sometimes drags on and on, don't feel bad about skipping sections. When I did a reread of the series, I skipped the entire book. Eventually some of the secondary characters might become PoV characters in the main arc and Feast's stuff becomes more relevant, but it hasn't so far.

Today's secondary characters are tomorrow's central characters.


Not with the Red Priests running around and necroing people back up. Plus even if they are, the timing of Feast was bad in terms of flowing with the story.
 
2013-01-30 01:59:30 PM  

ha-ha-guy: //oh hooray Cersei is a PoV character now, just what I always wanted


Not sure if sarcasm, but I enjoyed reading everything she did blow up in her face
 
2013-01-30 02:00:18 PM  

houginator: Uakronkid: brap: Christ that show is addictive.  I basically watched the entire first season non-stop last weekend.

Try reading the books. I started reading them a few months ago, and I'm still going, and there's never a boring bit to it.

You must have not have read Feast for Crows yet.


As a book, it reads like a fantasy soap opera that gets worse as it goes. Kind of like Harry Turtledove's alt-history series of the civil and world wars. The Cercei parts read just as bad as that biatchy cafe owner's part.

Not grade A fantasy, but is readable at times.
 
2013-01-30 02:01:17 PM  
Interesting that the chick who plays Arya on Game of Thrones is actually 15.

If you look closely, you can tell that the costume people have to hide her boobs to make her look younger. I haven't been able to get past it since I found out the real age of that actress.

Oh,l and the Minecraft thing is cool, too.
 
2013-01-30 02:04:58 PM  

moothemagiccow: They should've just drawn a map. I haven't seen a good map anywhere apart from the inside cover, which looks like shiat on kindle and is a biatch to refer to.


I found a westoros map app on the google play store. It may be available on the amazon store.
 
2013-01-30 02:07:11 PM  
The night is dark and full of creepers
 
2013-01-30 02:08:19 PM  
I've been on that server and Kings Landing is very nice but the eyrie is pretty crappy and in all honesty if you wanted to build any location from 'A Song of Ice and Fire' in minecraft it would be the eyrie. The wall is cool though.

We are in the process of trying to decide on a build project for my own server and then letting it out into the wild. EIP if anyone is looking for a small server to play survival on.
 
2013-01-30 02:17:35 PM  
I am not impressed with anyone making anything in Minecraft, unless it was in survival mode, with a randomly generated map the have to practically terraform first

I am also of the impression that many people that make impressive things in minecraft do not even do it in game, but use a program to port it into a minecraft world. (case in point someone making a 1:1 representation of the world in minecraft base on topography maps)
 
2013-01-30 02:30:28 PM  

doczoidberg: Interesting that the chick who plays Arya on Game of Thrones is actually 15.

If you look closely, you can tell that the costume people have to hide her boobs to make her look younger. I haven't been able to get past it since I found out the real age of that actress.


Just because your post reminded me.. When the show first started, I remember that there was some biatching about how HBO had made everybody 4-5 years older than in the books. I hadn't read them at the time, but now that I have.. Good! Jesus, what kind of sick arsebiscuits wanted to see the Daenerys storyline acted out with a 14 year old or however old she was supposed to be at the start of GoT.

That said, no idea Masie Williams was that young.
 
2013-01-30 02:34:28 PM  

costermonger: doczoidberg: Interesting that the chick who plays Arya on Game of Thrones is actually 15.

If you look closely, you can tell that the costume people have to hide her boobs to make her look younger. I haven't been able to get past it since I found out the real age of that actress.

Just because your post reminded me.. When the show first started, I remember that there was some biatching about how HBO had made everybody 4-5 years older than in the books. I hadn't read them at the time, but now that I have.. Good! Jesus, what kind of sick arsebiscuits wanted to see the Daenerys storyline acted out with a 14 year old or however old she was supposed to be at the start of GoT.

That said, no idea Masie Williams was that young.



Yeah, people would have flipped out. Plus, there couldn't have been all the nude scenes.

HBO made the right call.
 
2013-01-30 02:43:14 PM  

kkinnison: I am not impressed with anyone making anything in Minecraft, unless it was in survival mode, with a randomly generated map the have to practically terraform first

I am also of the impression that many people that make impressive things in minecraft do not even do it in game, but use a program to port it into a minecraft world. (case in point someone making a 1:1 representation of the world in minecraft base on topography maps)


I knew a guy who build a massive dome city legit in survival. Took months to dig and blast out the dome, and get all the raw materials. Said the hardest part was keeping it all properly lit, as he kept getting mob spawn in it.
 
2013-01-30 03:06:26 PM  

Cagey B: Hodor.


Hodor!
 
2013-01-30 03:13:11 PM  

Antimatter: kkinnison: I am not impressed with anyone making anything in Minecraft, unless it was in survival mode, with a randomly generated map the have to practically terraform first

I am also of the impression that many people that make impressive things in minecraft do not even do it in game, but use a program to port it into a minecraft world. (case in point someone making a 1:1 representation of the world in minecraft base on topography maps)

I knew a guy who build a massive dome city legit in survival. Took months to dig and blast out the dome, and get all the raw materials. Said the hardest part was keeping it all properly lit, as he kept getting mob spawn in it.


The effort just to produce TNT seems like a waste of time compared to just manually removing your blocks. I mean, maybe if the stuff is just in your inventory anyway and you toss it together just because you happen to be at your shelter.
 
2013-01-30 03:17:21 PM  

Uakronkid: brap: Christ that show is addictive.  I basically watched the entire first season non-stop last weekend.

Try reading the books. I started reading them a few months ago, and I'm still going, and there's never a boring bit to it.


You clearly haven't gotten to A Feast for Crows yet. Hundreds of pages of almost nothing of note happening.
 
2013-01-30 03:19:33 PM  

houginator: Uakronkid: brap: Christ that show is addictive.  I basically watched the entire first season non-stop last weekend.

Try reading the books. I started reading them a few months ago, and I'm still going, and there's never a boring bit to it.

You must have not have read Feast for Crows yet.


I should have figured someone would beat me to it...
 
2013-01-30 03:22:37 PM  

Treygreen13: The effort just to produce TNT seems like a waste of time compared to just manually removing your blocks. I mean, maybe if the stuff is just in your inventory anyway and you toss it together just because you happen to be at your shelter.


Monster grinders can produce a lot of gunpowder pretty quickly. Once you have enough material to make one you are pretty well set for TNT.
 
2013-01-30 03:28:12 PM  

Egoy3k: Treygreen13: The effort just to produce TNT seems like a waste of time compared to just manually removing your blocks. I mean, maybe if the stuff is just in your inventory anyway and you toss it together just because you happen to be at your shelter.

Monster grinders can produce a lot of gunpowder pretty quickly. Once you have enough material to make one you are pretty well set for TNT.


I know it's effective for destroying things underground, but when I tried clearing out space for my Launch Arco on the surface, it seemed like anything other than just making picks and destroying the blocks myself was a waste of time. Also I blew myself up. A lot.
 
2013-01-30 04:02:47 PM  
Feast really gets a bad rap. Does anything happen to advance the arc? Not really, but I really think that it gives a deeper insight to some of the characters. I really liked all of the Iron Islands stuff, and I really enjoyed seeing Cersi crash and burn like that. That wouldn't of been nearly as satisfying if we didn't get into her head. Brienne sucks though. One of my least favorite characters in any book ever.
 
2013-01-30 04:14:44 PM  

Treygreen13: Antimatter: kkinnison: I am not impressed with anyone making anything in Minecraft, unless it was in survival mode, with a randomly generated map the have to practically terraform first

I am also of the impression that many people that make impressive things in minecraft do not even do it in game, but use a program to port it into a minecraft world. (case in point someone making a 1:1 representation of the world in minecraft base on topography maps)

I knew a guy who build a massive dome city legit in survival. Took months to dig and blast out the dome, and get all the raw materials. Said the hardest part was keeping it all properly lit, as he kept getting mob spawn in it.

The effort just to produce TNT seems like a waste of time compared to just manually removing your blocks. I mean, maybe if the stuff is just in your inventory anyway and you toss it together just because you happen to be at your shelter.


Sand and gunpowder is easy, probably got a lot of it from killing all the creepers and digging normally. Good use of TNT can be a real time savor for some blocks, and saves you valuable diamond tools.

Less needed now that you can enchant stuff though. But back when he started it was a great time and tool saver.
 
2013-01-30 04:16:18 PM  
Do any of the people/groups that produce these ridonkulous builds ever make copies of them available for download? Not that they should be obligated to. I would just think that the ultimate in the "Look what I did!" payoff would be to have the public be able to interact with and see your creation close up/first hand.
 
2013-01-30 04:21:09 PM  

Treygreen13: Antimatter: kkinnison: I am not impressed with anyone making anything in Minecraft, unless it was in survival mode, with a randomly generated map the have to practically terraform first

I am also of the impression that many people that make impressive things in minecraft do not even do it in game, but use a program to port it into a minecraft world. (case in point someone making a 1:1 representation of the world in minecraft base on topography maps)

I knew a guy who build a massive dome city legit in survival. Took months to dig and blast out the dome, and get all the raw materials. Said the hardest part was keeping it all properly lit, as he kept getting mob spawn in it.

The effort just to produce TNT seems like a waste of time compared to just manually removing your blocks. I mean, maybe if the stuff is just in your inventory anyway and you toss it together just because you happen to be at your shelter.


when you need to clear out massive amounts of stone, TNT can make it a lot more quicke. About 57% of the blocks you blast end up being blown up... so it makes it impractical to use it for mining.

Even clear cutting and flattening out the top 25 layers of an extreme hill took me hours with an Enchanted diamond pickaxe and shovel (Efficiency 4, Durability 3) I got bored and just started placing TNT to speed things up and make it interesting
 
2013-01-30 04:28:19 PM  

bugmn99: Do any of the people/groups that produce these ridonkulous builds ever make copies of them available for download? Not that they should be obligated to. I would just think that the ultimate in the "Look what I did!" payoff would be to have the public be able to interact with and see your creation close up/first hand.


Westeros craft is online for anybody to log in and check out without a cost. A lot of the mega builds are rather large files and file hosting is if anything harder than it used to be due to massive commercialization and fees for anything more than a trickle of bandwidth imposed on both the hosts and the clients.
 
2013-01-30 05:37:41 PM  

HalEmmerich: You clearly haven't gotten to A Feast for Crows yet. Hundreds of pages of almost nothing of note happening.


That's a shame. I just finished A Storm of Swords, and I was already trying to figure out why he was spending so much time with secondary characters and (seemingly) inconsequential plot that wasn't driving the overarching story forward. It's clear that he has some idea where he's going with the story, but I'm a little afraid he's going to get eight or nine books into it before he realizes that he's created a big hairball and can't figure out how to unravel it all.

A Song of Ice and Fire is like the opposite of Lord of Rings, in a way -- Tolkien started with a huge overwhelming world, and he carved out a small slice and tried to make sense of it. Martin appears to have started out with a good story and a relatively small slice of a world, and suddenly finds himself trying to wrestle with a huge world that has grown beyond his control.

Imagine if Tolkien decided top stop the story in the middle and spend 400 pages telling us Galadriel's backstory fit into current events. That's kind of where I'm afraid it's going...
 
2013-01-30 05:37:41 PM  

brap: Christ that show is addictive.  I basically watched the entire first season non-stop last weekend.


That's my plan this week. Since Fringe is gone I have time to watch another show.

I thought it'd be all swordfights and "thou" "thee" and "thine" bullshiat... didn't expect all the titties and monsters
 
2013-01-30 08:50:22 PM  

Treygreen13: I've reached my limit on being impressed by Minecraft or Lego. I'm convinced that anyone with enough time could make anything with those things. If someone said, "Steve made a 1:1 replica of Africa in Minecraft" I'd think that Steve was probably autistic and had a LOT of time on his hands... not that it was really super cool.

I liked Minecraft survival mode, though. If someone made something in survival mode I'd think it was neat. I made a Launch Arco in survival mode and it felt like a project, like it was fun. And stuff was trying to kill me while I was doing it.


That's kind of the whole point, no?  Although when I play minecraft, I do all  my building in survival mode too, makes things more interesting.  Also, I did read about a guy who wants to make a large scale (not sure if 1:1) minecraft version of Earth.  As in, the whole planet.

Some guy in the comments claims that the guys running this server are douches, which doesn't sound out of the question for guys who would put this much time into this.  Anyone been on that server?
 
2013-01-30 09:34:25 PM  

The Larch: HalEmmerich: You clearly haven't gotten to A Feast for Crows yet. Hundreds of pages of almost nothing of note happening.

That's a shame. I just finished A Storm of Swords, and I was already trying to figure out why he was spending so much time with secondary characters and (seemingly) inconsequential plot that wasn't driving the overarching story forward. It's clear that he has some idea where he's going with the story, but I'm a little afraid he's going to get eight or nine books into it before he realizes that he's created a big hairball and can't figure out how to unravel it all.

A Song of Ice and Fire is like the opposite of Lord of Rings, in a way -- Tolkien started with a huge overwhelming world, and he carved out a small slice and tried to make sense of it. Martin appears to have started out with a good story and a relatively small slice of a world, and suddenly finds himself trying to wrestle with a huge world that has grown beyond his control.

Imagine if Tolkien decided top stop the story in the middle and spend 400 pages telling us Galadriel's backstory fit into current events. That's kind of where I'm afraid it's going...


Also, the books are HORRIBLY written. I'm convinced Martin is a master of character and plot, but a terrible writer. It's a form of torture to slog through his books. I've given up trying to get ahead, and will wait for the show to return. He's a shiatty, shiatty writer.
 
2013-01-30 09:50:03 PM  

Hebalo: Also, the books are HORRIBLY written. I'm convinced Martin is a master of character and plot, but a terrible writer. It's a form of torture to slog through his books. I've given up trying to get ahead, and will wait for the show to return. He's a shiatty, shiatty writer.


I found it interesting how GoT is one of the few things I actually think benefits from being cut down to show on TV.  You lose a lot of insight since with TV it is harder to show the thoughts inside someone's skull, but that is offset by the fact someone at HBO took the paring knife to Martin's work.  I'd say if a talented writer came along and wrote books based off of the TV show (with their cuts and changes intact), those books would be superior to Martin's.  That said you can see how Martin is an awesome big picture guy, he just needs some filters in place.
 
2013-01-30 09:50:47 PM  
miniflea:
Some guy in the comments claims that the guys running this server are douches, which doesn't sound out of the question for guys who would put this much time into this.  Anyone been on that server?


Sounds like any Minecraft server of any significant size. My son is a huge MC/Tekkit/FTB player. He's 11 and complains constantly about how awful the people running any given server are. I know a lot of it has to do with money. Most of the bigger servers urge you to donate real money and provide in-game rewards for voting for the server at the various server list sites.  If you don't donate, you will find your modreqs being ignored or getting into trouble for filing legit modreqs - or even, as one Tekkit server, having the server owner come right into your house and raping it in front of you. It's a cycle of drawing in the masses, separating the wheat from the chaff (donors from freeloaders) and repeating.
 
2013-01-30 10:01:29 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: It will never be complete until I can slap SimJoffrey. Repeatedly.

/and then a trip to Littlefinger's brothel


SOON.
 
2013-01-30 10:07:02 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Hebalo: Also, the books are HORRIBLY written. I'm convinced Martin is a master of character and plot, but a terrible writer. It's a form of torture to slog through his books. I've given up trying to get ahead, and will wait for the show to return. He's a shiatty, shiatty writer.

I found it interesting how GoT is one of the few things I actually think benefits from being cut down to show on TV.  You lose a lot of insight since with TV it is harder to show the thoughts inside someone's skull, but that is offset by the fact someone at HBO took the paring knife to Martin's work.  I'd say if a talented writer came along and wrote books based off of the TV show (with their cuts and changes intact), those books would be superior to Martin's.  That said you can see how Martin is an awesome big picture guy, he just needs some filters in place.



It helps that it is written like a soap opera script to begin with. No action, just a bunch of exposition style conversation from multiple view points. Perfect for tv translation. Like I said above, it is very close to Harry Turtledoves writing style in his alt-history books.

The mostt unfortunate thing about Martin is that he is influencing other writers in both style and work ethic. Patrick Rothfuss's series (name of the wind+) is a much better read, but he has caught Martin's case of write every blog/chat/review on the net but do not write your own books that keep you employed to begin with.

Game of thrones would be awesome if Martin would let Joe Ambercrombie write some fight scenes for him to break up the long winded conversations. (To be fair, Joe's last book was uncharacteristicly happy ended)

Anyone know when Bakker's next book is coming out?
 
2013-01-30 11:18:59 PM  

The Larch: HalEmmerich: You clearly haven't gotten to A Feast for Crows yet. Hundreds of pages of almost nothing of note happening.

That's a shame. I just finished A Storm of Swords, and I was already trying to figure out why he was spending so much time with secondary characters and (seemingly) inconsequential plot that wasn't driving the overarching story forward. It's clear that he has some idea where he's going with the story, but I'm a little afraid he's going to get eight or nine books into it before he realizes that he's created a big hairball and can't figure out how to unravel it all.

A Song of Ice and Fire is like the opposite of Lord of Rings, in a way -- Tolkien started with a huge overwhelming world, and he carved out a small slice and tried to make sense of it. Martin appears to have started out with a good story and a relatively small slice of a world, and suddenly finds himself trying to wrestle with a huge world that has grown beyond his control.

Imagine if Tolkien decided top stop the story in the middle and spend 400 pages telling us Galadriel's backstory fit into current events. That's kind of where I'm afraid it's going...


The Iron Islands and Dorne chapters eventually figure into the overall story in a big way. I actually found the "reveals" to be pretty satisfying, but maybe that's because they're two of the few plot points I didn't ruin for myself by reading A Wiki of Ice and Fire.

It just takes awhile to reveal how they do.

Too long perhaps, but I'm not sure how he would have woven those threads into the overall story without a decent amount of introduction.
 
2013-01-30 11:25:30 PM  
AKA crippling, crippling OCD.
 
2013-01-31 12:12:29 AM  

Uakronkid: brap: Christ that show is addictive.  I basically watched the entire first season non-stop last weekend.

Try reading the books. I started reading them a few months ago, and I'm still going, and there's never a boring bit to it.


In my opinion all the bits are boring, and I generally love fantasy books.  There are way too many characters that I just can't give a shiat about.  It never leaves me with that " I can't put it down" feeling.  GoT is the only book I've started to read and not been able to finish.
 
2013-01-31 12:13:47 AM  

The Larch: HalEmmerich: You clearly haven't gotten to A Feast for Crows yet. Hundreds of pages of almost nothing of note happening.

That's a shame. I just finished A Storm of Swords, and I was already trying to figure out why he was spending so much time with secondary characters and (seemingly) inconsequential plot that wasn't driving the overarching story forward. It's clear that he has some idea where he's going with the story, but I'm a little afraid he's going to get eight or nine books into it before he realizes that he's created a big hairball and can't figure out how to unravel it all.

A Song of Ice and Fire is like the opposite of Lord of Rings, in a way -- Tolkien started with a huge overwhelming world, and he carved out a small slice and tried to make sense of it. Martin appears to have started out with a good story and a relatively small slice of a world, and suddenly finds himself trying to wrestle with a huge world that has grown beyond his control.

Imagine if Tolkien decided top stop the story in the middle and spend 400 pages telling us Galadriel's backstory fit into current events. That's kind of where I'm afraid it's going...


I love how you guys all know how to write this man's book for him.
 
2013-01-31 12:17:33 AM  

The Larch: HalEmmerich: You clearly haven't gotten to A Feast for Crows yet. Hundreds of pages of almost nothing of note happening.

That's a shame. I just finished A Storm of Swords, and I was already trying to figure out why he was spending so much time with secondary characters and (seemingly) inconsequential plot that wasn't driving the overarching story forward. It's clear that he has some idea where he's going with the story, but I'm a little afraid he's going to get eight or nine books into it before he realizes that he's created a big hairball and can't figure out how to unravel it all.

A Song of Ice and Fire is like the opposite of Lord of Rings, in a way -- Tolkien started with a huge overwhelming world, and he carved out a small slice and tried to make sense of it. Martin appears to have started out with a good story and a relatively small slice of a world, and suddenly finds himself trying to wrestle with a huge world that has grown beyond his control.

Imagine if Tolkien decided top stop the story in the middle and spend 400 pages telling us Galadriel's backstory fit into current events. That's kind of where I'm afraid it's going...


We don't need to imagine. Tolkien called it the Silmarillion.
 
2013-01-31 12:27:43 AM  
I can't read.  :(
 
2013-01-31 12:27:45 AM  

elchip: The Iron Islands and Dorne chapters eventually figure into the overall story in a big way. I actually found the "reveals" to be pretty satisfying, but maybe that's because they're two of the few plot points I didn't ruin for myself by reading A Wiki of Ice and Fire.


I'm crossing my fingers; I thought the first book was pretty good, and there are definitely things I've enjoyed so far in all the books.  But I still can't escape the nagging suspicion that the narrative has taken a direction that's not entirely in Martin's control.
 
2013-01-31 12:58:20 AM  

UrCa: ha-ha-guy: //oh hooray Cersei is a PoV character now, just what I always wanted

Not sure if sarcasm, but I enjoyed reading everything she did blow up in her face


I think GRRM just wanted to see if he could write a POV that was completely delusional, and I think he did a fine job.
 
2013-01-31 02:20:36 AM  

Hebalo: Also, the books are HORRIBLY written. I'm convinced Martin is a master of character and plot, but a terrible writer. It's a form of torture to slog through his books. I've given up trying to get ahead, and will wait for the show to return. He's a shiatty, shiatty writer.


If you downed a shot every time he used the phrase "truth be told" you'd die of alcohol poisoning half way through the first book.
 
2013-01-31 02:31:53 AM  

Hebalo: Also, the books are HORRIBLY written. I'm convinced Martin is a master of character and plot, but a terrible writer. It's a form of torture to slog through his books. I've given up trying to get ahead, and will wait for the show to return. He's a shiatty, shiatty writer.


You know what, that's a really good point. I wish it were more likely for writers to collaborate more. At work, I bring a lot to the table, but I don't play well with others and I don't like sharing workloads. Somebody else has to fill in the gaps that I create by virtue of my human flaws. Perhaps it is the same with writers? Get a great character inventor, a great scene-setter, and a great plot-mover together and get them to work together. Slim chance for that I suppose.
 
2013-01-31 06:09:46 AM  
Firstly, very impressive.

Secondly to people saying the books get boring. I disagree, The central plot may not have run forward, but he slowed down and took some time to immerse us more in the minutae of the world. Little things, inconsequential people and their dinner and their lunch and how they broke their fast. It's easy to roll your eyes but I like it, i'm in no rush to get to the end of the story, I want to enjoy the world he's created for as long as possible. I just hope he doesn't take so long he ends up dying first.

Plus it's obvious how it'll end. Rickon will kill Stannis in a drinking game, become king in the north, and build a bridge from the wall to the southron realms, so the Iron Throne has to deal with the white walkers, and Danaerys. They all die, but the North survives, because we all love the north. Except that bastard of Bolton.
 
2013-01-31 06:50:26 AM  
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Shiat just got real.
 
2013-01-31 07:31:14 AM  
moothemagiccow:

I love how you guys all know how to write this man's book for him.

So your telling me you NEVER complain about the direction a story is going? You NEVER complain about a movies pace? You DON'T get irritated when you pay for a product and it has a glaring flaw that could easily be fixed?

No of course not.

His books aren't bad but they aren't great. What was at first a cool story about zombies and dragons returning to some medieval fantasy world turned into a scattered "i dont know how to tie this back together in a meaningful way" mess. The plot developed so much at the start. Now not so much. Now there are 20 characters and they all get their chapter because they matter for some reason or another and nothing seems to happen even though a terrible lot has been said.

Dont even get me started on the publishing timeline. The next book should be done some time after 2083... The shows started as a 1 book a season deal. Now the future books are being split into multiple seasons... Part of me wonders wether its just to give him the time he needs to finish the series.

It drags and drags and drags but it had enough of a hook to make me want to find out what happens. Just keeping your readers hooked isnt enough to make what your writing good.

Lost kept me hooked right up till that last episode. But i would lay a big steamer right on a box set rather than re watch or recommend it to someone who hasn't seen it. Wanting a conclusion is different than being invested it. Whats worse? a bad movie? or a movie that seems great but you only get to watch the first half of? A bad lay is better than a girl who leaves halfway through...

Every time the red priests or the red woman show up in those stories all i see in my head is Picard going "WTF IS THIS SHIAT???!!!" I dont know -- it just feels like a shark jump, or something added in later to help tie characters together or push them apart when the author had gotten in over his head with how he was going to pull off a character.
 
2013-01-31 07:44:16 AM  

The Larch: HalEmmerich: You clearly haven't gotten to A Feast for Crows yet. Hundreds of pages of almost nothing of note happening.

That's a shame. I just finished A Storm of Swords, and I was already trying to figure out why he was spending so much time with secondary characters and (seemingly) inconsequential plot that wasn't driving the overarching story forward. It's clear that he has some idea where he's going with the story, but I'm a little afraid he's going to get eight or nine books into it before he realizes that he's created a big hairball and can't figure out how to unravel it all.

A Song of Ice and Fire is like the opposite of Lord of Rings, in a way -- Tolkien started with a huge overwhelming world, and he carved out a small slice and tried to make sense of it. Martin appears to have started out with a good story and a relatively small slice of a world, and suddenly finds himself trying to wrestle with a huge world that has grown beyond his control.

Imagine if Tolkien decided top stop the story in the middle and spend 400 pages telling us Galadriel's backstory fit into current events. That's kind of where I'm afraid it's going...


Sounds like a retread of what happened with the Wheel of Time series.
 
2013-01-31 08:20:38 AM  

mikefinch: moothemagiccow:

Dont even get me started on the publishing timeline. The next book should be done some time after 2083... The shows started as a 1 book a season deal. Now the future books are being split into multiple seasons... Part of me wonders wether its just to give him the time he needs to finish the series.

It drags and drags and drags but it had enough of a hook to make me want to find out what happens. Just keeping your readers hooked isnt enough to make what your writing good.


I can generally excuse poorer writing if there's a good story so I quite enjoyed the books, sans some of the food and nipple descriptions. But my guess would be the splitting the season up is more because so much happens in Book 3 (especially latter half) that it would be a pretty busy season otherwise.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if they start to incorporate bits of 4 and 5 into the end of 3. They can't present 4 and 5 on TV the way the books are, people would hate not seeing Tyrion or Dany for a year or whatever. I'm guessing they'll combine 4+5 and split that mass into two seasons chronologically.
 
2013-01-31 10:36:49 AM  

mikefinch: Part of me wonders wether its just to give him the time he needs to finish the series.


And not because they cut major characters in the second season for no reason.

It's just not up to you to decide what the plot of the book is or when it comes out. Sorry. I like the books and I understand what Martin said. At the end of the day, the work is going to be judged by its quality, not how quickly it was finished.
 
2013-01-31 11:31:20 AM  

XMark: Cagey B: Hodor.

Hodor!


Hodor!
 
2013-01-31 06:26:19 PM  

moothemagiccow: It's just not up to you to decide what the plot of the book is or when it comes out. Sorry. I like the books and I understand what Martin said. At the end of the day, the work is going to be judged by its quality, not how quickly it was finished.


As you might notice the GOT threads are often bubbling with people biatching about the quality of the latest book or show compared to the quality of the last.

His books have taken a noticeable decline in quality. Feast was blah and Dragons had allot of the same problems just tacked on to more interesting characters. I will judge it on its quality -- that being said -- for the time invested in writing each book i would have expected the quality to be higher.

Imean -- 5 to 6 years for a fantasy novel follow up that ends up being a bit lackluster in allot of the audience's eyes? C'mon. The series gets a blowjob from pretty much everyone that picks it up. Im guilty -- i love the story. Doesnt mean i cant point out its flaws and biatch loudly about it on the internet.

And while i can understand splitting SoS and CoK into two seasons (3 seems to many for one book) It doesnt seem necessary. They cut allot from the first book in the first season and the same in the second -- My opinion is that no matter how many episodes you have in a season they will still end up cutting characters who were in the book and adding in crap that wasn't alluded to in to book.

But i honestly do think that they way they split the seasons had more to do with "lets not overtake the source matterial" than it did regarding having to cut scenes.
 
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