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(Gizmodo)   If you thought yesterday's news that the 128GB Microsoft Surface Pro will only offer 83GB of usable storage was bad, think again. The 64GB version will offer up just 23GB of space to the user   (gizmodo.com) divider line 40
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2013-01-30 08:48:32 AM
And where did you expect the operating system and software to go subs
 
2013-01-30 09:15:29 AM

El_Frijole_Blanco: And where did you expect the operating system and software to go subs


It takes up 36% of the harddrive.
 
2013-01-30 09:17:36 AM
128 GB is not 128 GiB (but 128 GB sounds better than 119 GiB)

Just like 10 Mbps sounds better than 1.25 MBps.

Still, 38 GiB for OS and prepackaged software is pretty fail-tastic.  That's why specializes OS for tablets is better because it can be a lot more compact.
 
2013-01-30 09:48:38 AM
That's in its default config.  A chunk of that is the recovery partition.  That can be eliminated and freed by creating a USB recovery stick.

Our shop is heavy MS, and we get one of about every MS product that comes out.  I got a Surface RT at the end of the 2012. It's "adequate". Biggest limitation is the ARM processor (so *nothing* runs on it). That'll go away with the PRO. I'm looking forward to giving it a shot and eliminating my need to carry a laptop around.
 
2013-01-30 10:28:08 AM
We just got in the Lenovo with a full version of 8 and office on it to test, for the size I am impressed with its capability, a bit of a pain in to use without a mouse when you have sausage fingers ..... these are really laptops with a new form factor than what most people think of as tablets
 
2013-01-30 10:29:36 AM

vartian: El_Frijole_Blanco: And where did you expect the operating system and software to go subs

It takes up 36% of the harddrive.


It is not much of a hard drive for a pc to begin with but that is what this is in reality and is intended to use cloud or network storage muck like an ipad or android would
 
2013-01-30 10:33:11 AM
Anyone know the figures for the iPad, so we can compare?
 
2013-01-30 10:35:58 AM

Rustico: . A chunk of that is the recovery partition


Not that much of a chunk (or at least shouldn't be).  The Windows 8 ISO from MSDN is 3.4 GB.  The recovery partition doesn't need much more than that, does it?
 
2013-01-30 10:36:41 AM

DamnYankees: Anyone know the figures for the iPad, so we can compare?


iOS is only around 800 megs at the largest.
 
2013-01-30 10:49:48 AM
IOS and Win8 Pro are apples and oranges, after all you have no LDAP support or user profiles on IOS. I work IT for a school district and the reason we have interest in a surface type device is user log in as the devices will not be a 1 to 1 issue. I am not making a jab at IOS or iPad just stating they are not the same thing
 
2013-01-30 11:01:43 AM
I have an iPad around, somewhere. My fingers are apparently too fat for the interface.
 
2013-01-30 11:13:05 AM

RexTalionis: DamnYankees: Anyone know the figures for the iPad, so we can compare?

iOS is only around 800 megs at the largest.


But Surface pro is not even close to being the same as iOS. How big is the normal mac OS?

Windows DVD size and installed size after updates are not the same thing.
 
2013-01-30 11:18:02 AM

TNel: RexTalionis: DamnYankees: Anyone know the figures for the iPad, so we can compare?

iOS is only around 800 megs at the largest.

But Surface pro is not even close to being the same as iOS. How big is the normal mac OS?

Windows DVD size and installed size after updates are not the same thing.


About 14 GB after install for OSX, as far as I know. Yes, I know iOS and Windows 8 Pro doesn't compare.
 
2013-01-30 11:21:53 AM

serial_crusher: The recovery partition doesn't need much more than that, does it?


Not really.  The RT recovery partition is 3.5 G.  I suspect that the PRO also includes a bunch of other stuff in that partition. They may even mirror much of the installed software (Office, for example).  Don't know yet.
 
2013-01-30 11:31:47 AM

RexTalionis:

About 14 GB after install for OSX, as far as I know. Yes, I know iOS and Windows 8 Pro doesn't compare.


14GB for the install, the compressed image size on the recover partition will be 8GB so that puts it at 22GB. Windows 8 is roughly the same size of 14GB so it's very shocking that the default size would end up being 40GB. I wonder if that is holding the hibernation file which takes a good chunk of space that could be easily freed up.
 
2013-01-30 11:34:26 AM

RexTalionis: TNel: RexTalionis: DamnYankees: Anyone know the figures for the iPad, so we can compare?

iOS is only around 800 megs at the largest.

But Surface pro is not even close to being the same as iOS. How big is the normal mac OS?

Windows DVD size and installed size after updates are not the same thing.

About 14 GB after install for OSX, as far as I know. Yes, I know iOS and Windows 8 Pro doesn't compare.


I think that's probably what causes the "I paid for what??" reaction. On a tablet/phone etc memory cost is at a premium and the assumption is that most of that memory is available to a user. On a desktop/laptop, storage is cheap, so nobody ever cares whether the OS takes 5gb or 50gb out of a 250gb-and-up storage.

When the first commercial SSD'shiat the laptop market, one maker had a unit that shipped with a 32gb SSD and Vista installed on it. Even with most of the crapware removed, there was only 10-12gb theoretically available for use, and that number went down as the OS cached drivers and crap that were not removable without high risk of needing to do a reinstall.

Dumb move on MS part, they have an opportunity to get the user market back from Apple and they are blowing it big time.
 
2013-01-30 12:10:33 PM

MisterTweak: Dumb move on MS part, they have an opportunity to get the user market back from Apple and they are blowing it big time.


I agree, when talking about the Surface RT. That platform is dead on arrival. Because of the ARM processor literally no useful software runs on it. And none of the manufacturers have any reason to port to that platform because the PRO comes out in less than two weeks.

The PRO, on the other hand, will support everything that Win7 supports. So I get my Cisco VPN, Visual Studio, and everything else I already use (and need for work). Granted there is limited battery power, but the hardware platform will undoubtedly improve.

This is the first step of a multi-step program. Get guys like me to STOP using Apple first by giving them a decent (if not better) solution. Then release products that eat into Apple's  core market.

It might Not work, but it's a strategy.
 
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2013-01-30 12:10:37 PM

El_Frijole_Blanco: . I work IT for a school district and the reason we have interest in a surface type device is user log in as the devices will not be a 1 to 1 issue.


The latest Jelly Bean has multiple user support. Not sure how good it is, haven't tried it.
 
2013-01-30 12:12:42 PM

MisterTweak: that number went down as the OS cached drivers and crap that were not removable without high risk of needing to do a reinstall.

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2013-01-30 12:12:51 PM

Rustico: I agree, when talking about the Surface RT. That platform is dead on arrival. Because of the ARM processor literally no useful software runs on it. And none of the manufacturers have any reason to port to that platform because the PRO comes out in less than two weeks.


As far as I know, porting to ARM is literally as simple as choosing the additional options when you compile your binaries in Visual Studio.
 
2013-01-30 12:14:26 PM

rpm: El_Frijole_Blanco: . I work IT for a school district and the reason we have interest in a surface type device is user log in as the devices will not be a 1 to 1 issue.

The latest Jelly Bean has multiple user support. Not sure how good it is, haven't tried it.


It's not only about multi user support. Binding to networks and getting network files is the biggest issue. If there is no client for our network you end up having to use cloud based products for "network" files so you are using more bandwidth than you should because you are out getting files that should be on your intranet.
 
2013-01-30 12:15:41 PM
It will be interesting to see how much of that is "built-in apps" and whether they can be removed.

It'll be another reason to push to the SkyDrive cloud. I still have a 128GB HDD in my laptop and until I started ripping all my CDs it didn't bother me in the slightest. But at work I have a 500GB laptop and I'm halfway through that after clearing out about 70 gig of recycle bin and other miscellaneous crap.
 
2013-01-30 12:16:45 PM
i just want a solid-state ipod that'll hold my 200GB library. is that sooo hard?
 
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2013-01-30 12:17:44 PM

RexTalionis: Rustico: I agree, when talking about the Surface RT. That platform is dead on arrival. Because of the ARM processor literally no useful software runs on it. And none of the manufacturers have any reason to port to that platform because the PRO comes out in less than two weeks.

As far as I know, porting to ARM is literally as simple as choosing the additional options when you compile your binaries in Visual Studio.


Assuming there's no embedded assembly language, use of x86 features through intrinsics, or dependence on processor endianness (what do they have it set to on the ARM version of Windows?)

Never mind all the testing needed.
 
2013-01-30 12:20:08 PM

El_Frijole_Blanco: And where did you expect the operating system and software to go subs


Hold on, I'm running spacemonger.

Ok. My main drive is 465GB - advertised as 500. The Windows 7 is 21GB - the "Windows" folder at least. That's 4% of the drive. Maybe they should've trimmed that shiat down before dumping it on something with such limited space.
 
2013-01-30 12:25:09 PM

Rustico: That's in its default config.  A chunk of that is the recovery partition.  That can be eliminated and freed by creating a USB recovery stick.

Our shop is heavy MS, and we get one of about every MS product that comes out.  I got a Surface RT at the end of the 2012. It's "adequate". Biggest limitation is the ARM processor (so *nothing* runs on it). That'll go away with the PRO. I'm looking forward to giving it a shot and eliminating my need to carry a laptop around.


I'm curious how big a frugal install, without bloatware would be. On the same downside, being able to run the same desktop programs, means you get oversize desktop software. The biggest offender would be Microsoft Office. I wonder if Microsoft Office was included in that package. I'd want data files on the removable media anyway so it might not be so bad. Especially if you decline the MS Office license and uninstall it.

Nokia had an internet tablet (N770 and N800) that shipped with intro videos and such then included a link that would delete all the extraneous files after you viewed them.
 
2013-01-30 12:26:16 PM

moothemagiccow: The Windows 7 is 21GB


Damn.
 
2013-01-30 12:26:49 PM

moothemagiccow: El_Frijole_Blanco: And where did you expect the operating system and software to go subs

Hold on, I'm running spacemonger.

Ok. My main drive is 465GB - advertised as 500. The Windows 7 is 21GB - the "Windows" folder at least. That's 4% of the drive. Maybe they should've trimmed that shiat down before dumping it on something with such limited space.


Ok you have 21GB plus the 8GB lost due to stupid numbering plus 10GB system restore and that gets you the 40GB of lost space. Yes it sucks but that's what happens when you put a real OS on a portable device.
 
2013-01-30 12:27:01 PM

King Keepo: It will be interesting to see how much of that is "built-in apps" and whether they can be removed.


This.

Get rid of the apps that you don't want or need, and I'm sure you will free up a lot of space.
 
2013-01-30 12:34:53 PM

El_Frijole_Blanco: And where did you expect the operating system and software to go subs


41 GB for OS and software is a weeeeeee bit too much. It's probably all that SxS crap they use for "redundancy."
 
2013-01-30 12:36:31 PM

moothemagiccow: spacemonger


I have something new to download.

Thank you.
 
2013-01-30 12:36:41 PM

RexTalionis: DamnYankees: Anyone know the figures for the iPad, so we can compare?

iOS is only around 800 megs at the largest.


So, it's smaller than iTunes by orders of magnitude?
 
2013-01-30 12:38:08 PM
Ipad2 only offered 16gb of storage.
newest ipad comes with
16GB $499
32GB $599
64GB $699
 
2013-01-30 12:39:18 PM

robbiex0r: Ipad2 only offered 16gb of storage.
newest ipad comes with
16GB $499
32GB $599
64GB $699


There's a 128 GB iPad coming that's $899.
 
2013-01-30 12:43:31 PM
ah, poop, it's "free to try."

:/
 
2013-01-30 12:46:09 PM

rpm: El_Frijole_Blanco: . I work IT for a school district and the reason we have interest in a surface type device is user log in as the devices will not be a 1 to 1 issue.

The latest Jelly Bean has multiple user support. Not sure how good it is, haven't tried it.


It's pretty good. I have multiple users set up on my Nexus 10, and it's well done. Although it did require a pretty significant change to the file storage structure that sort of borked nandroid backups, if you're rooted.
 
2013-01-30 12:52:05 PM

xanadian: moothemagiccow: spacemonger

I have something new to download.

Thank you.


Get the old one. Click on FREE Software and it's all the way at the bottom.
 
2013-01-30 12:53:57 PM
The aftermarket for this is going to be lulzy.
 
2013-01-30 01:51:08 PM

rpm: Never mind all the testing needed.


Support is the bigger issue.  Compiling and releasing is fairly easy.  Then the calls start...
 
2013-01-30 01:53:13 PM

TheGogmagog: I'm curious how big a frugal install, without bloatware would be. On the same downside, being able to run the same desktop programs, means you get oversize desktop software. The biggest offender would be Microsoft Office. I wonder if Microsoft Office was included in that package. I'd want data files on the removable media anyway so it might not be so bad.


I am too.  But disk-space is so damned cheap it isn't worth the effort for me to see.

We started using MS's SkyDrive for our back-and-forth revisions/documents.  So the data files are already "removed". Sort of.
 
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