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(Fox News)   RIM's latest smartphones are being released today in a last ditch effort to bring the company within 10 years of Apple and Samsung   (foxnews.com) divider line 83
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2013-01-30 11:19:13 AM
I was almost starting to warm up to BB10. Then Alicia Keys came out and said BB has to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2013-01-30 11:23:48 AM
And HTC, LG, Motorola, Kyocera, Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Huawei....

But other than that, though...
 
2013-01-30 12:31:26 PM
I have to admit, I'm kind of wanting the Q-10.
 
2013-01-30 12:40:22 PM

GreenAdder: Nokia


Nokia has the same problem as RIM.  Very nice hardware, but lacking in the software department.  I would kill to take the camera (41MP, f/2.4 Zeiss lens, 1/1.2" CMOS sensor) from the PV808, the curved screen from the Lumia 920, the case (excellent build quality, easy access to battery, mSD and SIM) and navigation cursor from my BB Torch and throw Android Jellybean onto it.

Haven't had a chance to play with BB10, but I always found the software to be the weakest part of the BB ecosystem.  Switching to a QNX kernel might make it more responsive, but there is a lot of user-facing software that sits on top of it.  The system settings menu in the older version was dreadful.  And fark you, I am not paying $7/mo to use your GPS navigation app when Android comes with a better one for free.
 
2013-01-30 12:46:11 PM
I don't know if you could suck more than samsung

hey let's make the screen bigger
-what'll we do next year?
more bigger!

Either smartphones all suck, samsung sucks or I keep buying duds. Also you can't type on these farking things
 
2013-01-30 12:50:45 PM
I'm curious as to if RIM is going to live and die by their Blackberry OS, or if after enough failures they move over to making apps for iOS devices and specialized corporate Android devices. They could be the king of the physical keyboard Android segment.

/also it would be cool if say you could take any Android device to your IT department and them flash RIM's version of Android onto the phone with all the security features, BB communications suite, and such that your company requires you to have. You pick the hardware you want, then IT hands you the secure OS
 
2013-01-30 12:51:47 PM

ha-ha-guy: I'm curious as to if RIM is going to live and die by their Blackberry OS


RIM is already dead, the company is called Blackberry now.
 
2013-01-30 01:05:16 PM
Unless you're the (still) butthurt Gawker media...in which case this is the best phone ever, and Apple should just burn the Cupertino campus for the insurance money immediately.
 
2013-01-30 01:21:18 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Unless you're the (still) butthurt Gawker media...in which case this is the best phone ever, and Apple should just burn the Cupertino campus for the insurance money immediately.


why are they slurping RIM? I don't get it.
 
2013-01-30 01:25:37 PM
I loved the keyboards on my E71 and old BlackBerrys, but after I got used to Android and other modern smartphone OSes, I just couldn't go back to the creaky old Symbian and BB operating systems. The Android candybar QWERTYs were always lacking. The Q-10 looks like it may finally have solving choosing between a good OS and a good keyboard.
 
2013-01-30 01:25:41 PM
Won't help if blackberry's servers keep on failing every other week.

/Doesn't help they have given so much access to random governments either.
 
2013-01-30 01:26:32 PM

bsharitt: The Q-10 looks like it may finally have solved choosing between a good OS and a good keyboard.


FTFM
 
2013-01-30 01:33:14 PM
RIM is a solid Canadian company, much like NorTel and Corel.
 
2013-01-30 01:35:58 PM
If the Q10 does well, Samsung or HTC will come out with a physical keyboard phone by the end of the year.
 
2013-01-30 01:44:22 PM
The international RIM-job-smartphone-thingie legacy is over.
Long live the new DingleBerry !

/beeper people.
 
2013-01-30 01:45:26 PM
Subby must be an Apple fanboy; since the fanboys are still waiting for things on their iPhone that are already standard on other smartphones.
 
2013-01-30 01:45:27 PM
I'm going to need a smaller chiclet keyboard, thanks.
 
2013-01-30 01:45:57 PM

WhippingBoy: RIM is a solid Canadian company, much like NorTel and Corel.


Corel is still solidly in business, and in the black...
 
2013-01-30 01:56:32 PM

moothemagiccow: I don't know if you could suck more than samsung

hey let's make the screen bigger
-what'll we do next year?
more bigger!

Either smartphones all suck, samsung sucks or I keep buying duds. Also you can't type on these farking things


This.

I miss the keyboard on my old Blackberry.
 
2013-01-30 01:59:56 PM

Rwa2play: Subby must be an Apple fanboy; since the fanboys are still waiting for things on their iPhone that are already standard on other smartphones.


Lame and ignorant troll. 1/10.

/would have been 0/10 if I didn't respond
 
2013-01-30 02:01:11 PM
Please fail please fail please fail. I'm so close to getting rid of our BES server I can taste it!!! We are 80% BYOD but management just can't get over paying for a device that can be used as a toy.
 
2013-01-30 02:13:29 PM
I'm pestering my wife to have her company replace her BB with a Droid.  BB was the only game in town once, but you can do so much better.

(Yes, Apple fanboiz, that's your cue.)
 
2013-01-30 02:24:50 PM

Popcorn Johnny: If the Q10 does well, Samsung or HTC will come out with a physical keyboard phone by the end of the year.


You mean, something like the Stratosphere II that they just released?
 
2013-01-30 02:30:38 PM

Dinjiin: You mean, something like the Stratosphere II that they just released?


No, not a slider.
 
2013-01-30 02:33:03 PM

Dinjiin: Popcorn Johnny: If the Q10 does well, Samsung or HTC will come out with a physical keyboard phone by the end of the year.

You mean, something like the Stratosphere II that they just released?


Came out in November 2012 and featured specs from top-tier phones from late 2011. Was given away with new Verizon subscription at release. Samsung has probably forgotten about it already. I would've picked it up, but I went through this song and dance with the Droid 2. The one update I got to the OS made the thing run worse than when I got it.

The idea is, if you want a keyboard, you're a moron.
 
2013-01-30 02:36:53 PM

moothemagiccow: The idea is, if you want a keyboard, you're a moron.


Yeah, because touch keyboards are just so farking awesome.
 
2013-01-30 03:06:18 PM

Popcorn Johnny: moothemagiccow: The idea is, if you want a keyboard, you're a moron.

Yeah, because touch keyboards are just so farking awesome.


I love real keyboards, touch screen keyboards suck, is the new bb both touch screen and real keyboard?
 
2013-01-30 03:07:26 PM
I think that they should have packaged up the BES software and created clients for all the major platforms and sold it as a standalone product. Companies would have eaten it up. Being able to offer the reliable messaging platform and centralized control (that made Blackberry so popular in the first place) on other platforms that consumers were now forcing their IT departments to use would have been a slam-dunk IMHO.

Imagine secure BBM between the finance guy's Blackberry and the marketing guy's iPhone.

They lost the opportunity to become the default mobile security provider in the mobile space.
 
2013-01-30 03:21:41 PM

Waldo Pepper: Popcorn Johnny: moothemagiccow: The idea is, if you want a keyboard, you're a moron.

Yeah, because touch keyboards are just so farking awesome.

I love real keyboards, touch screen keyboards suck, is the new bb both touch screen and real keyboard?


The Q10? Yes, and it includes all the gesture based features. It is a bit taller than the 9900 Bold and the keyboard is straight instead of curved like the Bold.
 
2013-01-30 03:25:00 PM

dhandler: I think that they should have packaged up the BES software and created clients for all the major platforms and sold it as a standalone product. Companies would have eaten it up. Being able to offer the reliable messaging platform and centralized control (that made Blackberry so popular in the first place) on other platforms that consumers were now forcing their IT departments to use would have been a slam-dunk IMHO.

Imagine secure BBM between the finance guy's Blackberry and the marketing guy's iPhone.

They lost the opportunity to become the default mobile security provider in the mobile space.


They have, minus the messaging, the new BES includes support for other OS's so you can actual control these devices and implement something that resembles security.
 
2013-01-30 03:36:53 PM

bingethinker: Rwa2play: Subby must be an Apple fanboy; since the fanboys are still waiting for things on their iPhone that are already standard on other smartphones.

Lame and ignorant troll. 1/10.

/would have been 0/10 if I didn't respond


I lol at the apple commercial with the Williams sisters playing ping pong. The commercial is all excited about a feature that BB has had for 5 years called bedside mode.

Ill be moving back to BB from iOS in March.

iOS is now the oldest OS in the market.
 
2013-01-30 03:40:03 PM
Funny headline but it isn't true.

They're not only on par with Apple and Google now, they've raised the bar.

Sadly, almost 200 Million shares of RIMM were traded so far today due to many many investors pulling out the 3-4x earnings on their investments from back in the early winter.

BlackBerry isn't going anywhere. Can't wait for my new BB10 next week!
 
2013-01-30 03:46:41 PM

moothemagiccow: I don't know if you could suck more than samsung

hey let's make the screen bigger
-what'll we do next year?
more bigger!


Who makes a better Android phone than they do? Pre-emptive laugh at HTC and Motorola...
 
2013-01-30 03:53:10 PM

Popcorn Johnny: If the Q10 does well, Samsung or HTC will come out with a physical keyboard phone by the end of the year.


I own a physical keyboard HTC phone. I've had if for a year. There have always been at least a few slide out keyboard models on the market, and it was a must for me in switching to a smartphone, so I bought one.

If you did your homework before buying the latest shiny thing advertized all over the place, you would have realized that there were phones with physical keyboards on the market.
 
2013-01-30 03:59:54 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: moothemagiccow: I don't know if you could suck more than samsung

hey let's make the screen bigger
-what'll we do next year?
more bigger!

Who makes a better Android phone than they do? Pre-emptive laugh at HTC and Motorola...


I love my Droids.
 
2013-01-30 04:02:50 PM

Rwa2play: Subby must be an Apple fanboy; since the fanboys are still waiting for things on their iPhone that are already standard on other smartphones.


You mean like NFC, touted as a huge thing on 3 new androids this past christmas, that have been standard on all Blackberrys since 2010?
 
2013-01-30 04:03:44 PM

dhandler: I think that they should have packaged up the BES software and created clients for all the major platforms and sold it as a standalone product. Companies would have eaten it up. Being able to offer the reliable messaging platform and centralized control (that made Blackberry so popular in the first place) on other platforms that consumers were now forcing their IT departments to use would have been a slam-dunk IMHO.

Imagine secure BBM between the finance guy's Blackberry and the marketing guy's iPhone.

They lost the opportunity to become the default mobile security provider in the mobile space.


They actually did. The newest BES server incorporates bring your own device, and lets you access a lot of those features on other phones.
 
2013-01-30 04:05:54 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Yeah, because touch keyboards are just so farking awesome.


Gotta agree.  When I have my phone in landscape mode, the virtual keyboard takes up about 60% of the screen.  Maybe with a larger screen like in the GS3, that isn't as much of an issue, but then you have to lug around a big phone.


moothemagiccow: Samsung has probably forgotten about it already. I would've picked it up, but I went through this song and dance with the Droid 2. The one update I got to the OS made the thing run worse than when I got it.


Yup.  On the same line of thought, a lot of people were upset that the Droid 3 was never upgraded to ICS.  Doesn't help that replacement OS projects like Cyanogenmod were having a boatload of issues getting a port completed (I think they were having issues with the camera codec).  So the Droid 2 and Droid X are the last phones supported by CGM.

That doesn't really make me look fondly on the Droid 4.  Also doesn't help that the battery can no longer be replaced on the fly, which just makes the reports of short battery life between charges even worse.

The original Stratosphere never received a Cyanogenmod build, but the related Epic 4G for Sprint did.  Who knows if they'll consolidate the two series going forward.
 
2013-01-30 04:17:07 PM

alberta_beef: WhippingBoy: RIM is a solid Canadian company, much like NorTel and Corel.

Corel is still solidly in business, and in the black...


Corel is owned by Vector Capital, a firm out of San Francisco. And the majority of its products it has acquired are also American companies, and a chinese one or two in the mix.

In reality it is just located in Canada and is about 90 percent American.
 
2013-01-30 04:20:27 PM

Renegade Pervert: dhandler: I think that they should have packaged up the BES software and created clients for all the major platforms and sold it as a standalone product. Companies would have eaten it up. Being able to offer the reliable messaging platform and centralized control (that made Blackberry so popular in the first place) on other platforms that consumers were now forcing their IT departments to use would have been a slam-dunk IMHO.

Imagine secure BBM between the finance guy's Blackberry and the marketing guy's iPhone.

They lost the opportunity to become the default mobile security provider in the mobile space.

They have, minus the messaging, the new BES includes support for other OS's so you can actual control these devices and implement something that resembles security.


Blackberry had clients for Win CE and Nokia for years then pulled them when people started using those instead of buying blackberries.
 
2013-01-30 04:30:05 PM

theflatline: alberta_beef: WhippingBoy: RIM is a solid Canadian company, much like NorTel and Corel.

Corel is still solidly in business, and in the black...

Corel is owned by Vector Capital, a firm out of San Francisco. And the majority of its products it has acquired are also American companies, and a chinese one or two in the mix.

In reality it is just located in Canada and is about 90 percent American.


Who can forget the award winning WordPerfect?
 
2013-01-30 04:32:41 PM

Cooper420: Funny headline but it isn't true.

They're not only on par with Apple and Google now, they've raised the bar.

Sadly, almost 200 Million shares of RIMM were traded so far today due to many many investors pulling out the 3-4x earnings on their investments from back in the early winter.

BlackBerry isn't going anywhere. Can't wait for my new BB10 next week!


How so?
 
2013-01-30 04:34:55 PM

mcreadyblue: theflatline: alberta_beef: WhippingBoy: RIM is a solid Canadian company, much like NorTel and Corel.

Corel is still solidly in business, and in the black...

Corel is owned by Vector Capital, a firm out of San Francisco. And the majority of its products it has acquired are also American companies, and a chinese one or two in the mix.

In reality it is just located in Canada and is about 90 percent American.

Who can forget the award winning WordPerfect?


Which was developed by Brigham Young Uni, whitebread mormon coding at it's finest.

Also I have a copy of Novell Wordperfect when Novell bought them the first time they tanked, by order of the Mormon chrch.
 
2013-01-30 04:45:20 PM

moothemagiccow: I don't know if you could suck more than samsung

hey let's make the screen bigger
-what'll we do next year?
more bigger!

Either smartphones all suck, samsung sucks or I keep buying duds. Also you can't type on these farking things


I hate my GS3, battery lasts about 8 hours. Should have just kept my E71x and gone off contract. I used to love how iphone people would tell me I didn't have a smartphone. Let's see... email, gps, wifi, google maps, internet browser how don't I have a smartphone? Keyboard was awesome on that thing.
 
2013-01-30 04:49:14 PM

Kibbler: I'm pestering my wife to have her company replace her BB with a Droid.  BB was the only game in town once, but you can do so much better.

(Yes, Apple fanboiz, that's your cue.)


Why on earth do you care what phone your wife uses as her work phone? I don't even care what phone my wife chooses as a personal phone.

This is just a guess but please tell me you aren't using your work mobiles for non-work purposes. A co-worker asked me to look at her iphone the other day because she saw some new icons in her inbox next to a couple of personal mail accounts. I should not that all of our company phones have mobile iron installed on them. I'm really not terribly keen on giving my company access to all the personal data in my personal mail and social media apps. It's bad enough that they have access to a GPS receiver that I keep on me at all times.

/being paranoid and being right aren't mutually exclusive
 
2013-01-30 05:02:49 PM
They might want to improve their camera for low light shooting
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-30 05:30:40 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: moothemagiccow: I don't know if you could suck more than samsung

hey let's make the screen bigger
-what'll we do next year?
more bigger!

Who makes a better Android phone than they do? Pre-emptive laugh at HTC and Motorola...


Looks like LG might be in the running. My Nexus 4 has been incredible for me. Coming from HTC, which was great too. I think the contracted phones are handicapped more than I think mfgrs are screwing up.
 
2013-01-30 05:37:48 PM

Egoy3k: /being paranoid and being right aren't mutually exclusive


I use separate work and personal phones for similar reasons. And if my work phones rings I know I have to answer it.
 
2013-01-30 05:57:14 PM

Rwa2play: Subby must be an Apple fanboy; since the fanboys are still waiting for things on their iPhone that are already standard on other smartphones.


Oh come on. Apple now has turn by turn navigation, 4G, a bigger screen on their phones, and 7-inch tablets!
Innovation. Pure innovation.
 
2013-01-30 06:07:08 PM

alberta_beef: WhippingBoy: RIM is a solid Canadian company, much like NorTel and Corel.

Corel is still solidly in business, and in the black...


Nortel used to have one of their larger buildings down the road from my high school.  They used to come in a few times a year under the guise of "boosting interest in engineering" while endlessly bragging about the huge campus they were going to build within the next few years.  Fast forward 6 years and I'm moving furniture and computers out of that building and loading it into moving trucks or dumpsters.
 
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