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(Christian Science Monitor)   Egypt's Arab Spring experiencing the equivalent of tornado season   (csmonitor.com) divider line 24
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2013-01-30 07:44:55 AM
If they had some F-16's and a sh*tload of tanks, they could deal with that insurrection more easily.
 
2013-01-30 09:01:38 AM
www.tvovermind.com

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes!
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-30 09:49:18 AM
Reinstate military dictatorship at the national level and let citizens work out democracy in local governments until they have more practice.
 
2013-01-30 10:59:34 AM
Yeah, I think the Muslim world pretty much lost all its credibility with this latest round of revolutions.

In the future, when the people of those countries attempt to overthrown their brutal dictators, the rest of the world will just be like, "Mkay. We'll sit this out. Good luck, fellas!"
 
2013-01-30 11:02:04 AM

Donnchadha: Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes!


Damn you! I saw the movie last week and had just got that earworm out of my head, you asshole.
 
2013-01-30 11:05:26 AM
Some of Morsi's supporters are calling for his detractors to be executed, crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off. This is the traditional Koranic punishment for those who spread fitna through the land.
 
2013-01-30 11:06:39 AM
Who wasn't expecting unrest? Revolutions tend to lead to more revolution until everyone collectively gets tired of that shiat. Like, it's like lays potato chips, you can't have just one.
 
2013-01-30 11:08:39 AM
The Mideast needs leaders like Saddam, Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak. Left to their own devices, the people in that area seem to have a tendency towards religious zealotry and fundamentalism, and that's not what it takes to succeed in a growingly secular Western world. As the Far East, the Indian sub-continent, Europe, and North America (excluding Mexico) become more secular and more technologically and educationally advanced, the Mideast stagnates under the constant threat of fundamentalist violence.

They are isolating themselves, and that is in large part due to the lack of strong leadership. Leadership that America has taken a leading role in eliminating. So when Egypt falls into sectarian violence, or Iraq's religious zealots attack the government, or Syria's fundamentalist enclaves riot against the secular government, much of the blood is on our hands.

As distasteful as it may be, violent strongmen willing to pay lip service to religion and interested in secularism are what we should promote, even if it means the occasional crushing of opposition. The opposition is almost always worse.
 
2013-01-30 11:09:35 AM

give me doughnuts: Some of Morsi's supporters are calling for his detractors to be executed, crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off. This is the traditional Koranic punishment for those who spread fitna through the land.


Jack LaLanne is rolling over in his grave.
 
2013-01-30 11:10:20 AM

Donnchadha: [www.tvovermind.com image 630x389]

Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the music of a people
Who will not be slaves again!
When the beating of your heart
Echoes the beating of the drums
There is a life about to start
When tomorrow comes!


And a hard-boiled egg.
 
2013-01-30 11:11:57 AM

tolallorti: Who wasn't expecting unrest? Revolutions tend to lead to more revolution until everyone collectively gets tired of that shiat. Like, it's like lays potato chips, you can't have just one.


Yeah, I don't know who didn't see this coming. It has all the hallmarks of going into a Reign of Terror ala France.
 
2013-01-30 11:14:36 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The Mideast needs leaders like Saddam, Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak. Left to their own devices, the people in that area seem to have a tendency towards religious zealotry and fundamentalism, and that's not what it takes to succeed in a growingly secular Western world. As the Far East, the Indian sub-continent, Europe, and North America (excluding Mexico).....


Mexico has religious zealotry and fundamentalism and is not secular? Mexico has many problems, but thankfully that's not one of them.
 
2013-01-30 11:15:07 AM

cgraves67: tolallorti: Who wasn't expecting unrest? Revolutions tend to lead to more revolution until everyone collectively gets tired of that shiat. Like, it's like lays potato chips, you can't have just one.

Yeah, I don't know who didn't see this coming. It has all the hallmarks of going into a Reign of Terror ala France.


Countries suddenly lurching into democracy really only work if they were formerly British colonies.
 
2013-01-30 11:16:59 AM

maudibjr: AverageAmericanGuy: The Mideast needs leaders like Saddam, Assad, Qaddafi, and Mubarak. Left to their own devices, the people in that area seem to have a tendency towards religious zealotry and fundamentalism, and that's not what it takes to succeed in a growingly secular Western world. As the Far East, the Indian sub-continent, Europe, and North America (excluding Mexico).....

Mexico has religious zealotry and fundamentalism and is not secular? Mexico has many problems, but thankfully that's not one of them.


No, I said that excluding Mexico, those other regions are  becoming more secular and more technologically and educationally advanced.Now Mexico may be moving in the same direction, but they really stand out as a problem child with their rampant corruption and powerful drug cartels.
 
2013-01-30 11:16:59 AM

The Muthaship: If they had some F-16's and a sh*tload of tanks, they could deal with that insurrection more easily.


Or just attack Israel.
 
2013-01-30 11:32:58 AM
Did anyone else find this quote telling:

As it has slowly risen to power in the past two years, the Muslim Brotherhood has broken many promises about the role it would play in representative government. Its flip-flops and power grabs in forming a new regime have only added to a worry among democracy advocates that Mr. Morsi would define his authority from Islam, or sharia law, rather than from constitutional rights and secular pluralism. ... an old guard sticks to al-sama' wa'l-ta'a, or "hearing and obeying."

The Arab spring to "freedom" has brought about a winter of distrust.

The problem with Democracy is that it is literally Demo (mob) - cracy (rule). If a large enough sector of the mob is militant, organized, and unwilling to compromise, they can take over a whole country. Religious and nationalistic zealots often get people to fall in line or into a grave, as did democratically elected Hitler.

Democracy =/= greater freedom in the jungle ... Democracy = two wolves and a sheep voting on what to eat
 
2013-01-30 11:33:08 AM
Gee, and I really thought that THIS time it was different.


farking retards.
 
2013-01-30 11:59:14 AM
If you are Muslim, doesn't it just have to totally stick in your craw the way these things just sit here, idly mocking your religion...for thousands of years? It seems like the Islamists could rid their country of these emblems of worship of another god.

upload.wikimedia.org

Oh well....suck it. You'll get over it.
 
2013-01-30 12:01:32 PM
They're still sorting it out over there. I'm glad the opposition is remaining persistent, it means there's still hope.
 
2013-01-30 12:26:22 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-30 01:50:24 PM
NostroZ
democratically elected Hitler.

The belief that Hitler was elected really needs to die.
 
2013-01-30 02:51:37 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_hitler
link quote:
Hitler came in second in both rounds of the election, garnering more than 35% of the vote in the final election. Although he lost to Hindenburg, this election established Hitler as a strong force in German politics.[138]

The absence of an effective government prompted two influential politicians, Franz von Papen and Alfred Hugenberg, along with several other industrialists and businessmen, to write a letter to von Hindenburg. The signers urged Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as leader of a government "independent from parliamentary parties", which could turn into a movement that would "enrapture millions of people".[139][140]

Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint Hitler as chancellor after two further parliamentary elections-in July and November 1932-had not resulted in the formation of a majority government. Hitler was to head a short-lived coalition government formed by the NSDAP and Hugenberg's party, the German National People's Party (DNVP).


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RanDomino: The belief that Hitler was elected really needs to die.


So while you are correct RanDomino, Hitler came in second for the popular vote in the elections, but since their system was a democratic parliamentary government, there was no clear leader (50%+ total). Since no one was favored by the people, business took over and urged Hugenberg to relinquish his leadership. Essentially, Hitler was able to outmaneuver his opponents in parliament, through a variety of means, many of which have become illegal under international election law since then (reason diplomats cannot be stopped by the police, etc.).

Still, Hitler was promoted to Dictator through a subverted democratic process (& which is not? Super PAC anyone?)... where people had a real choice (vs. communist elections).

So I stand by the fact that Hitler was elected in a democratic process, or mob rule (during times of distress by a mob that promotes a strongman who's a religious/nationalistic zealots -as is with the Arab spring's Muslim Brotherhood) as I pointed out in my original post.
 
2013-01-30 03:31:45 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: They're still sorting it out over there. I'm glad the opposition is remaining persistent, it means there's still hope.


the best we can hope for is that they get it right this time. probably their last chance...
 
2013-01-30 10:38:01 PM
NostroZ
So I stand by the fact that Hitler was elected in a democratic process, or mob rule

Well then you're a farking idiot.
 
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