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2013-01-30 09:31:30 AM  
It's not Fark, it's DeadspinTebow.com
 
2013-01-30 09:32:51 AM  
Now that we have a Colin Kaepernick we don't need a Tim Tebow.
 
2013-01-30 09:57:48 AM  
So, basically, he's a second-string running back.
 
2013-01-30 10:00:25 AM  
How can he be "a damn good football player" if he's not actually good at any of the positions?
 
2013-01-30 10:05:54 AM  

CreativeFarkHandle: So, basically, he's a second-string running back.


Not even that.  He's too big, clumsy and slow to ever be an effective running back.  I think quarterback is probably the best use of his comically mediocre talents.  He's just not good anywhere.

Unless he can kick.  He might be a good kicker.  I don't know though.  Putting him anywhere on the field will probably only lead to disappointment.
 
2013-01-30 10:08:52 AM  

On the Side: How can he be "a damn good football player" if he's not actually good at any of the positions?


He just wins. All the guy does is win.

/If you don't count his losses
 
2013-01-30 10:09:22 AM  
Every day I'm more and more convinced that Tebow will follow a Doug Flutie career path.
 
2013-01-30 10:14:59 AM  
I would be more worried about how well he blocks. He can stay in the NFL for a while being a good blocking TE and just a mediocre receiver. And with that, why is everybody so focused on him being a ball carrier. If he can block, move him to FB.
 
2013-01-30 10:17:58 AM  
I discovered last night that the keyless remote for my car is water resistant. I accidentally left my keys in my back pocket when I put my pants in the washing machine. I didn't realize it until the wash cycle was complete. I ran to the garage to test the remote, and it still worked. I'm glad too. Those little farkers are expensive.
 
2013-01-30 10:34:07 AM  

ongbok: I would be more worried about how well he blocks. He can stay in the NFL for a while being a good blocking TE and just a mediocre receiver. And with that, why is everybody so focused on him being a ball carrier. If he can block, move him to FB.


I think he'd actually make a decent FB right now. I think he'd make a good blocking TE and a decent receiver if he'd work really hard at it.
 
2013-01-30 10:35:15 AM  

DubyaHater: I discovered last night that the keyless remote for my car is water resistant. I accidentally left my keys in my back pocket when I put my pants in the washing machine. I didn't realize it until the wash cycle was complete. I ran to the garage to test the remote, and it still worked. I'm glad too. Those little farkers are expensive.


1. Read thread about Tebow
2. Post about keyless remote
3.?????
4. Profit?
 
2013-01-30 10:37:03 AM  

DubyaHater: I discovered last night that the keyless remote for my car is water resistant. I accidentally left my keys in my back pocket when I put my pants in the washing machine. I didn't realize it until the wash cycle was complete. I ran to the garage to test the remote, and it still worked. I'm glad too. Those little farkers are expensive.


Wrong thread?

In any case, I hope Tebow finds SOMETHING he can do. I'm not a giant Tebow fanboy, but I do feel bad for the guy, despite how much $$$$ he is probably raking in.
 
2013-01-30 10:47:21 AM  
This play sums up Tebow's receiving ability.
 
2013-01-30 10:48:20 AM  

pastorkius: On the Side: How can he be "a damn good football player" if he's not actually good at any of the positions?

He just wins. All the guy does is win.

/If you don't count his losses


Number of wins: All of the games he won

Number of losses: Irrelevant

Advantage: Tebow
 
2013-01-30 10:50:17 AM  
I thought they were going to be ripping in to him. Sounded like a pretty sober assessment, but a slight on Tebow is a slight on Jesus.
 
2013-01-30 11:01:33 AM  

Farkn Yaj Yenrac: Every day I'm more and more convinced that Tebow will follow a Doug Flutie career path.


Nah. Flutie had actual talent. He was just too short to see over the linemen.
 
2013-01-30 11:13:17 AM  
How about defensive end?
 
2013-01-30 11:14:40 AM  

Farkn Yaj Yenrac: Every day I'm more and more convinced that Tebow will follow a Doug Flutie career path.


Doug Flutie was a very good quarterback who got the cold shoulder because he wasn't tall.  Tebow would be confused and fail miserably in the CFL.  Bigger field, fewer downs, all that means is there is more space to throw and imcomplete pass and fewer chances to make a play.

Also all things considered maybe he should switch to rugby.  No denying he's a powerful guy.  He'd probably be pretty good in a scrum.
 
2013-01-30 11:23:25 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Farkn Yaj Yenrac: Every day I'm more and more convinced that Tebow will follow a Doug Flutie career path.

Doug Flutie was a very good quarterback who got the cold shoulder because he wasn't tall.  Tebow would be confused and fail miserably in the CFL.  Bigger field, fewer downs, all that means is there is more space to throw and imcomplete pass and fewer chances to make a play.

Also all things considered maybe he should switch to rugby.  No denying he's a powerful guy.  He'd probably be pretty good in a scrum.


Throwing with two hands might be easier for him. Of course, the sing alongs after the matches might violate his sensibilities.
 
2013-01-30 11:27:07 AM  
I've been saying this for a while. There's no evidence he can catch - I don't know why people thought you could just plug him in at TE.

And he's not particularly good in terms of form when running - he stays high and doesn't protect the ball well. He doesn't maneuver well in tight spaces, though he's athletic and big enough to do something in space.

Can he tackle? Maybe he could transition to D - at least he has some semblance of understanding an NFL offense, is athletic, big, and by all accounts a hard worker. If he can tackle maybe be can play MLB - I don't know I've seen him show hand/footwork to the level of a pass rusher OLB. But then, it all requires him being able to tackle - but I think the transition would be easier than TE.
 
2013-01-30 11:34:32 AM  
I swear to farking god ESPN is like TMZ now with all the farktard talking heads.

Not a Tebow fan but he lead a team to the play-offs FFS..........and there are 4-5 teams in the NFL who have QB's who couldnt pass their way out of a box of hammers. Even fatty is getting looks again. Tebow will be on a team as QB this year. Anybody who thinks other wise doesnt know &^%$ and should just go back to "around the horn"
 
2013-01-30 11:44:03 AM  

DubyaHater: I discovered last night that the keyless remote for my car is water resistant. I accidentally left my keys in my back pocket when I put my pants in the washing machine. I didn't realize it until the wash cycle was complete. I ran to the garage to test the remote, and it still worked. I'm glad too. Those little farkers are expensive.


CSB
 
2013-01-30 11:45:36 AM  

4 lives down 5 to go: I swear to farking god ESPN is like TMZ now with all the farktard talking heads.

Not a Tebow fan but he lead a team to the play-offs FFS..........and there are 4-5 teams in the NFL who have QB's who couldnt pass their way out of a box of hammers. Even fatty is getting looks again. Tebow will be on a team as QB this year. Anybody who thinks other wise doesnt know &^%$ and should just go back to "around the horn"


pbpl.physics.ucla.edu
"Well, The NFL needs clipboard holders too."
 
2013-01-30 11:51:54 AM  

AntonChigger: DubyaHater: I discovered last night that the keyless remote for my car is water resistant. I accidentally left my keys in my back pocket when I put my pants in the washing machine. I didn't realize it until the wash cycle was complete. I ran to the garage to test the remote, and it still worked. I'm glad too. Those little farkers are expensive.

Wrong thread?

In any case, I hope Tebow finds SOMETHING he can do. I'm not a giant Tebow fanboy, but I do feel bad for the guy, despite how much $$$$ he is probably raking in.


He puts butts in seats and eyeballs on your game, in exchange for the price that you have to put him on the field and start him. You don't think he can play? Irrelevant. The fans want Tebow, the media wants Tebow, and they will have your ass fired if you don't give the people what they want. If he wins, all the better. If he loses, too bad. You just have to grit your teeth until the fans decide they're bored with him.
 
2013-01-30 11:59:35 AM  
Deneb81:

Can he tackle? Maybe he could transition to D - at least he has some semblance of understanding an NFL offense, is athletic, big, and by all accounts a hard worker. If he can tackle maybe be can play MLB - I don't know I've seen him show hand/footwork to the level of a pass rusher OLB.

The problem is, this describes pretty much everyone on special teams.  He's got a lot of competition that is athletic, big, and by all accounts a hard worker.
 
2013-01-30 12:00:55 PM  
I think he will be able to light it up in arena football one day.
 
2013-01-30 12:03:11 PM  

groppet: I think he will be able to light it up in arena football one day.


Yes, I'm sure that by being unable to throw quickly and accurately, he will thrive in an environment where the run game is virtually neglected, there's a 3-man offensive line, and QBs are expected to throw 40-50 times per game.
 
2013-01-30 12:05:27 PM  

El Uno Magnifico: I think he'd actually make a decent FB right now.


Why oh why do people believe this.  This is a guy who, even after several years in the league, is still stuck in the mindset that he needs to be mentored like a goddamn intern while real QBs go into the video room and review tape on their own.  Honestly, there are tutorials on throwing and footwork on YouTube; people are talking about how he's not learning like he's coached but he's not even at the level of where an NFL coach would have something to say to him.  NFL OCs don't want to teach him how to throw; they want to talk about scheme to someone who already knows how.  This is like trying to talk about a design with a "computer engineer" only to find out he needs to be taught how to use a keyboard.  Most people would go "nope" and move on instead of wasting their time.

So if he's that inept at teaching himself the fundamentals of football, why does anyone think at this point he's going to learn how to block?  Blocking is just as much a skill as throwing or catching, and at the NFL level it's the same brutally thin margins for error.  Footwork, angle, pad level, hand placement, spacing. . . he's going to get all this because Farkers are under the bizarre impression that the big uglies in the NFL are doing something anyone can learn?  As an FB or TE he'd be assigned to block blitzers and edge rushers that endlessly practice shedding blocks.  If he can't even teach himself proper fundamentals as a QB, he will be absolutely destroyed as a blocker.

If he wants to become an FB, it's up to him.  He needs to show up in camp having worked night & day on fundamentals until they're second nature so the coach can go right into practicing plays.  That's how the grown-up world works, but does anyone believe this would happen at this point?

Tebow's ideal job is working a factory line.  He seems to be a hard worker but there is just not much going on in that fundie-washed head of his, so everything he does needs to be pre-processed into thoughtless motion.
 
2013-01-30 12:31:41 PM  

dragonchild: El Uno Magnifico: I think he'd actually make a decent FB right now.

Why oh why do people believe this.  This is a guy who, even after several years in the league, is still stuck in the mindset that he needs to be mentored like a goddamn intern while real QBs go into the video room and review tape on their own.  ...


But but but...he's a hard worker! I've seen him roll that giant tire! Without a shirt! He can make a round thing roll, like turning water into wine!
 
2013-01-30 12:38:01 PM  

dragonchild: El Uno Magnifico: I think he'd actually make a decent FB right now.

Why oh why do people believe this.  This is a guy who, even after several years in the league, is still stuck in the mindset that he needs to be mentored like a goddamn intern while real QBs go into the video room and review tape on their own.  Honestly, there are tutorials on throwing and footwork on YouTube; people are talking about how he's not learning like he's coached but he's not even at the level of where an NFL coach would have something to say to him.  NFL OCs don't want to teach him how to throw; they want to talk about scheme to someone who already knows how.  This is like trying to talk about a design with a "computer engineer" only to find out he needs to be taught how to use a keyboard.  Most people would go "nope" and move on instead of wasting their time.

So if he's that inept at teaching himself the fundamentals of football, why does anyone think at this point he's going to learn how to block?  Blocking is just as much a skill as throwing or catching, and at the NFL level it's the same brutally thin margins for error.  Footwork, angle, pad level, hand placement, spacing. . . he's going to get all this because Farkers are under the bizarre impression that the big uglies in the NFL are doing something anyone can learn?  As an FB or TE he'd be assigned to block blitzers and edge rushers that endlessly practice shedding blocks.  If he can't even teach himself proper fundamentals as a QB, he will be absolutely destroyed as a blocker.

If he wants to become an FB, it's up to him.  He needs to show up in camp having worked night & day on fundamentals until they're second nature so the coach can go right into practicing plays.  That's how the grown-up world works, but does anyone believe this would happen at this point?

Tebow's ideal job is working a factory line.  He seems to be a hard worker but there is just not much going on in that fundie-washed head of his, so everything he does n ...


Blocking is a skill, sure, but to say blocking is anywhere near as hard as throwing or catching (or hell, even running the ball) is simply not realistic. Tebow doesn't have the mindset or cognitive ability to ever be a good QB. But that's not too surprising; playing QB is really, really hard. People who have perfect form and are of prototypical size still suck at the NFL level on a yearly basis.

Learning how to block is significantly less difficult. Besides, Tebow is a very physical guy. You can't teach that, either; you either have that drive or you don't. That's actually been one of the only consistent, tangible physical tools he has had throughout his career. At Florida, he would participate in LB drills and lay people out. I haven't seen anything about Tebow that suggests that he can't, with a focused program, be taught how to block as a FB.

Would he be an all-time blocker? Probably not, but he'd be a much better FB than he is a QB and could actually contribute to a team.

You're making it out to seem like learning to block requires the same level of hard, repetitive, focused, driven, and coordinated work as becoming a good NFL QB, and that simply isn't true. "If he isn't able to pull off being a QB, he won't be able to pull off being an FB", is what you're saying - but you're ignoring the fact that it is far easier to be a FB than a passer.

He won't ever be a good QB. He may be able to be a good FB, and it is very possible that while he is not capable of learning to be a good passer ever, he may be capable of learning how to be in the backfield.
 
2013-01-30 12:38:55 PM  
Any gamblers out there? What kind of over/under would there be on Tebow stories next year?

I'm thinking its got to be at least 10. I'd take the over...there will be a huge story when he's finally released. Then a story about where he is going to go...maybe even a story every time his agent answers his phone thinking a team is calling. If he does get a job, which I'm pretty sure he will, there's a huge story, followed by the story about whether Tebow should replace the starter on his new team.

And if he doesn't get a job aww hell you know that's a story and several follow ups whenever a starter gets injured and how Tebow would fit there.

So yeah I'm going with over/under of 10. And I'm betting the over.
 
2013-01-30 12:39:50 PM  

El Uno Magnifico: Blocking is a skill, sure, but to say blocking is anywhere near as hard as throwing or catching (or hell, even running the ball) is simply not realistic.


This person probably never played at a higher level that 7th grade football.
 
2013-01-30 12:44:34 PM  
I'm not necessarily a Tebow lover, but I'm constantly confused why everybody says he has no athletic talent when he tore shiat up in college.

/I know he hasn't thrown the ball well at the pro level.
 
2013-01-30 12:46:21 PM  

ongbok: El Uno Magnifico: Blocking is a skill, sure, but to say blocking is anywhere near as hard as throwing or catching (or hell, even running the ball) is simply not realistic.

This person probably never played at a higher level that 7th grade football.


So you would say that blocking is just as hard to learn as passing? And that being a fullback is just as hard as being a QB? Somehow, I don't think you'll make that claim.
 
2013-01-30 12:50:01 PM  

skrame: I'm not necessarily a Tebow lover, but I'm constantly confused why everybody says he has no athletic talent when he tore shiat up in college.

/I know he hasn't thrown the ball well at the pro level.


College is several hundred light years behind the pros in skill level. You can truck a Vanderbilt linebacker or get away with a duck throw vs. Sistergrope State, but in the pros? Not so much.
 
rka
2013-01-30 12:50:30 PM  

skrame: I'm not necessarily a Tebow lover, but I'm constantly confused why everybody says he has no athletic talent when he tore shiat up in college.

/I know he hasn't thrown the ball well at the pro level.


The NFL is littered with players who "tore shiat up in college". And past draft day that means jack.
 
2013-01-30 12:57:37 PM  

skrame: I'm not necessarily a Tebow lover, but I'm constantly confused why everybody says he has no athletic talent when he tore shiat up in college.

/I know he hasn't thrown the ball well at the pro level.


Vince Young also crushed in college
 
2013-01-30 12:59:19 PM  
Mark's face in this still needs to be instantly meme-ified:
l3.yimg.com
 
2013-01-30 01:07:47 PM  

4 lives down 5 to go: Tebow will be on a team as QB this year.


As a starter? No. Name the team that will do that.

Maybe he'll get another back up role, but his fans have made that pretty unattractive to prospective employers.
 
2013-01-30 01:31:11 PM  

El Uno Magnifico: Blocking is a skill, sure, but to say blocking is anywhere near as hard as throwing or catching (or hell, even running the ball) is simply not realistic.


Blocking is in fact MUCH harder than throwing or catching.  The ball isn't trying to pancake you like an angry dude.  The reason why QB and WR are considered "skill" positions is because throwing & catching are a small part of the job.  We'll get to that in a minute.

El Uno Magnifico: At Florida, he would participate in LB drills and lay people out.


Two things; first, his teammates are not going to go all out on their QB in contact drills he's not supposed to do.  Second, NFL linebackers aren't Florida's scout team.  So yeah, him clowning around at Florida doesn't provide good insight into how well he'd stay in front of an NFL linebacker.

El Uno Magnifico: You're making it out to seem like learning to block requires the same level of hard, repetitive, focused, driven, and coordinated work as becoming a good NFL QB, and that simply isn't true. "If he isn't able to pull off being a QB, he won't be able to pull off being an FB", is what you're saying - but you're ignoring the fact that it is far easier to be a FB than a passer.


I'm not ignoring it; you're completely missing the point.  I'm saying learning to block requires at least the same level of hard, repetitive, focused, driven and coordinated work as QB fundamentals, like just throwing the football.  Throwing the football is a practiced mechanical motion; it's the decision to throw that's hard.  Blocking is. . . a practiced mechanical motion.  So when he still sucks at a mechanical motion he's been doing for years. . . how is blocking some magical exception?  Again, throwing is a very tiny part of being a QB, and arguably one of the easiest parts, which is why Tebow's lack of progression is so glaring.  I'm just talking about throwing, which is something you can learn with a couple hours of YouTube followed by daily practice.  He hasn't even shown the capacity to do that.  It's much easier to be a FB than a QB, but it's much easier to learn to properly throw the football than become a viable NFL FB.
 
2013-01-30 01:34:40 PM  

ongbok: I would be more worried about how well he blocks. He can stay in the NFL for a while being a good blocking TE and just a mediocre receiver. And with that, why is everybody so focused on him being a ball carrier. If he can block, move him to FB.


Did you see him olèing guys on his punt protection duty? He can't block either. What he can do is pray and take credit from his actually talented teammates.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tim-tebow-missed-bl o ck-leads-blocked-punt-dolphins-180458769--nfl.html
 
2013-01-30 01:34:59 PM  
i45.tinypic.com

"Tight end? Ooooh, goodie. I hope he gets traded to the Packers!"
 
2013-01-30 01:48:16 PM  

AntonChigger: In any case, I hope Tebow finds SOMETHING he can do. I'm not a giant Tebow fanboy, but I do feel bad for the guy, despite how much $$$$ he is probably raking in.


There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of men in this country who are very good at football, almost good enough for the NFL but not quite -- more than the number of players who are actually in the NFL. Quite a few of those are your basic "tweeners" who have good overall football attributes, but are just a little too small for this position, to slow for that position and not good enough at passing for the other position. All of them, I suppose, experience a certain sadness in falling just short of their dream. I don't see any reason to feel more or less sorry for Tebow than any of the rest of them, if that is indeed what he winds up being.

That said, I wouldn't completely write off Tebow's chances as an H-back or similar. Catching footballs is not something that comes innately; it's a skill that's acquired through repetition. See what he can do with some coaching and an off-season or two to practice. He might fail. He will probably fail. But there's not much to lose at this point, because the window is closing on his QB opportunities.
 
2013-01-30 02:15:54 PM  

falcon176: skrame: I'm not necessarily a Tebow lover, but I'm constantly confused why everybody says he has no athletic talent when he tore shiat up in college.

/I know he hasn't thrown the ball well at the pro level.

Vince Young also crushed in college


Also JaWalrus.
 
2013-01-30 02:49:05 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Deneb81:

Can he tackle? Maybe he could transition to D - at least he has some semblance of understanding an NFL offense, is athletic, big, and by all accounts a hard worker. If he can tackle maybe be can play MLB - I don't know I've seen him show hand/footwork to the level of a pass rusher OLB.

The problem is, this describes pretty much everyone on special teams.  He's got a lot of competition that is athletic, big, and by all accounts a hard worker.


However, he is bigger and more athletic than at least a modest amount of ACTUAL starters judging by his (albeit rare) successes when he could get into the open and run. He juked LB's and DEs. He ran past/through a few.

He's not a QB, he's not an RB, but he does have a level of athleticism and size that puts him in the company of first string NFL players. That is rare.

The issue is that as of yet he hasn't shown any of the skills necessary to succeed consistently at that level.

I just think that if he has even a slim chance of actually playing in the NFL, MLB may be his best shot given his natural abilities and size.
 
2013-01-30 02:54:42 PM  
Who else thinks 'BioBlast' ought to be a Halo gun and not a Sportscenter feature?
 
2013-01-30 03:03:51 PM  

js34603: Any gamblers out there? What kind of over/under would there be on Tebow stories next year?

I'm thinking its got to be at least 10. I'd take the over...there will be a huge story when he's finally released. Then a story about where he is going to go...maybe even a story every time his agent answers his phone thinking a team is calling. If he does get a job, which I'm pretty sure he will, there's a huge story, followed by the story about whether Tebow should replace the starter on his new team.

And if he doesn't get a job aww hell you know that's a story and several follow ups whenever a starter gets injured and how Tebow would fit there.

So yeah I'm going with over/under of 10. And I'm betting the over.


17 weeks in the season? I'd set that as the over/under. That's one Tebow story a week. I can't see the levels fall below that...assuming he's still in the league.

/And I'd take the over
 
2013-01-30 03:17:21 PM  

splat the whale: Also JaWalrus.


LSU won a National Championship immediately prior to Russell becoming the starter and immediately after he left, with no titles in between. JaWalrus was not particularly great, even in college. He had a good game against Notre Dame (at the time 110th in the nation in defense) in their bowl game and idiots thought that meant he was good. Dude got killed when he faced competent SEC defenses.
 
2013-01-30 03:20:28 PM  

IAmRight: splat the whale: Also JaWalrus.

LSU won a National Championship immediately prior to Russell becoming the starter and immediately after he left, with no titles in between. JaWalrus was not particularly great, even in college. He had a good game against Notre Dame (at the time 110th in the nation in defense) in their bowl game and idiots thought that meant he was good. Dude got killed when he faced competent SEC defenses.


But he had a cannon dude! A CANNON!!! Heh. Just like saying the name JaWalrus.
 
2013-01-30 03:45:44 PM  

born_yesterday: js34603: Any gamblers out there? What kind of over/under would there be on Tebow stories next year?

I'm thinking its got to be at least 10. I'd take the over...there will be a huge story when he's finally released. Then a story about where he is going to go...maybe even a story every time his agent answers his phone thinking a team is calling. If he does get a job, which I'm pretty sure he will, there's a huge story, followed by the story about whether Tebow should replace the starter on his new team.

And if he doesn't get a job aww hell you know that's a story and several follow ups whenever a starter gets injured and how Tebow would fit there.

So yeah I'm going with over/under of 10. And I'm betting the over.

17 weeks in the season? I'd set that as the over/under. That's one Tebow story a week. I can't see the levels fall below that...assuming he's still in the league.

/And I'd take the over


Interesting...I might actually take the under but it would depend on whether he is in the league.

If he's out of the league there would be a lot of stories at first, and some stories about him whenever a starter got hurt but i think he'd be gradually forgotten as the season went on. They might not average a story a week during the season if he is actually out if the league.

If he goes to a team, yes 17 is probably too low.
 
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