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(CNN)   15% of all cab drivers now have college degrees. Computer science graduates have now gone from being hackers to being hacks   (economy.money.cnn.com) divider line 63
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2013-01-30 06:01:20 AM
Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.
 
2013-01-30 08:15:02 AM
But, my graduates degree is in Service Industry Vehicular Transportation (SIVT), though.
 
2013-01-30 08:21:19 AM
A hack? How do they end up in journalism?
 
2013-01-30 08:27:45 AM
I'm pretty sure these cabbies don't have STEM degrees.
 
2013-01-30 08:36:11 AM
So the industry goes from cabbies who don't understand English, to those who majored in it?
 
2013-01-30 08:44:31 AM
Are you telling me my degree in an unmarketable field of study with little to no demand from employers won't get me a well paying job after graduation?

i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-30 09:14:06 AM

DoomPaul: Are you telling me my degree in an unmarketable field of study with little to no demand from employers won't get me a well paying job after graduation?

[i47.tinypic.com image 501x708]


You do understand that's a photoshop, right?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-30 09:16:28 AM
A female former coworker -- she QAd my software, if you know what I mean -- used to drive a cab in Boston. When I visited Atlanta in the 1990s my cab driver talked about working on a master's degree.
 
2013-01-30 09:18:51 AM

video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.


Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.
 
2013-01-30 09:27:35 AM
cause we're the 'greatest country on earth' i suppose.
 
2013-01-30 09:28:43 AM

cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.


Last I checked, all of them.
 
2013-01-30 09:29:13 AM
and outsourcing for cheap labor in commie china is no help. why pay a programmer here when you can get the same thing in India or commie china for pennies on the dollar.


after all, the stockholders are the only ones who matter.
 
2013-01-30 09:30:50 AM

ZAZ: A female former coworker -- she QAd my software, if you know what I mean -- used to drive a cab in Boston. When I visited Atlanta in the 1990s my cab driver talked about working on a master's degree.


shouldn't that be hardware or do you have to take medication?

/couldn't resist sorry
 
2013-01-30 09:32:49 AM
When I was living in university family housing, the guy that came to unclog the shiatter (tree roots ended up being the cause) was talking about how he just finished his master's degree in anthropology. Nice guy, seemed to like his job doing maintenance and got the degree because he wanted to. I imagine some of these people are like that guy.
 
2013-01-30 09:34:17 AM

Linux_Yes: and outsourcing for cheap labor in commie china is no help. why pay a programmer here when you can get the same thing in India or commie china for pennies on the dollar.


Biggest reason this doesn't happen more? Timezones. It's a pain in the ass to work with developers in India and China if you're a US based company. If you need something fixed, you can't really just call up the developers, or even if you can, you're getting them out of bed. So if you have management in the US, which they normally do, then everything takes twice as long to get done because any changes in requirements take longer to get to the programmers.
 
2013-01-30 09:34:33 AM

cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.


Internships for real majors are nearly always paid.
 
2013-01-30 09:44:35 AM
Clearly we need more immigration, help us with the worker shortage.
 
2013-01-30 09:48:13 AM
CS majors have never wanted for work. Even during the .com implosion only crappy engineers couldn't find jobs.

Hopefully this happens to MBAs though (stuck driving cabs). I feel that they are the blight on the business world. You need one or two here and there not oodles of them deciding how to "improve" business processes and running them into the ground.
 
2013-01-30 09:49:19 AM

TheSelphie: cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.

Internships for real majors are nearly always paid.


A living wage?
 
2013-01-30 09:55:14 AM

TheSelphie: cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.

Internships for real majors are nearly always paid.


Real majors?
 
2013-01-30 09:56:39 AM

moanerific: I'm pretty sure these cabbies don't have STEM degrees.


I used to work with a Russian engineer who spent his first several years in the US in construction because he couldn't get work in his field.  It can happen.

I'm pretty sure that since this was 2000 it was because he wasn't didn't write Shockwave, Java, and related dotcom buzzwords on his resume.
 
2013-01-30 09:59:49 AM

Linux_Yes: and outsourcing for cheap labor in commie china is no help. why pay a programmer here when you can get the same thing in India or commie china for pennies on the dollar.


after all, the stockholders are the only ones who matter.


Not sure if you've ever worked with programmers or QA in India and china, but the work is pretty lousy. You get what you pay for, and in this case, it's crappy code and slow turnaround on QA. A lot of Indian tech schools don't even have internet, so they can only test things in theory, rather than practice.

Not to mention timezones and communication problems.
 
2013-01-30 10:03:00 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: TheSelphie: cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.

Internships for real majors are nearly always paid.

A living wage?


Often, yes. My internship in college paid over $18/hr. Graduated a few years ago so I'm sure the rate for that particular internship is up compared to then.
 
2013-01-30 10:11:29 AM
Part of that is because of a weird economy. Folks who were coding for a while aren't anymore.
And another part of it is because it's a creative and logical skill. Anyone can be taught to chisel, but not everyone learns or has the capacity to sculpt well.
 
2013-01-30 10:21:12 AM
What a smart cab driver might look like:

cdn-www.i-am-bored.com
 
2013-01-30 10:40:08 AM
Hey, the rare, correct (albeit almost archaic at this point) use of the term "hacker!" =D
 
2013-01-30 11:39:27 AM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: TheSelphie: cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.

Internships for real majors are nearly always paid.

A living wage?


From talking to our interns, the going rate at most semiconductor companies seems to be $30ish/hour plus a housing subsidy.

So yeah, a living wage.
 
2013-01-30 11:53:23 AM

miscreant: Biggest reason this doesn't happen more? Timezones. It's a pain in the ass to work with developers in India and China if you're a US based company. If you need something fixed, you can't really just call up the developers, or even if you can, you're getting them out of bed. So if you have management in the US, which they normally do, then everything takes twice as long to get done because any changes in requirements take longer to get to the programmers.


Actually, the people who have to stay up late and be in early to handle the hand-off (yes, it was me) have no say in whether work gets sent off-shore. The real reason that sending work overseas has lost its allure is that no one alive has ever developed the skill to product absolutely complete and unambiguous requirements.

The foreign work houses will produce exactly what you ask for, even if it wasn't what you meant. Don't expect that they will add obvious input checks or error handling or that they will push back on crazy requirements. By the time you define a project thoroughly enough to have a good chance of getting what you want, you could have just developed it.
 
2013-01-30 12:02:16 PM

buzzcut73: When I was living in university family housing, the guy that came to unclog the shiatter (tree roots ended up being the cause) was talking about how he just finished his master's degree in anthropology. Nice guy, seemed to like his job doing maintenance and got the degree because he wanted to. I imagine some of these people are like that guy.


Or he had a job while he was getting his masters, because the teaching positions fill up really quickly.  A lot of the people who work payroll or as admin are graduate "research" fellows, at least where I went to school
 
2013-01-30 12:10:46 PM

dj_spanmaster: Part of that is because of a weird economy. Folks who were coding for a while aren't anymore.
And another part of it is because it's a creative and logical skill. Anyone can be taught to chisel, but not everyone learns or has the capacity to sculpt well.


My coding skills are awful. I'm probably one of the few FARKERs that actually failed a CS course in College ( C++ in the 90's).
 
2013-01-30 12:15:35 PM

TheSelphie: cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.

Internships for real majors are nearly always paid.


oh, you would hate to read tech startup job boards right now. doing so would blow up that bubble you live in real fast.

/unpaid business development full-time internships? I don't know whether to laugh or cry
 
2013-01-30 12:21:08 PM

dumbobruni: TheSelphie: cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.

Internships for real majors are nearly always paid.

oh, you would hate to read tech startup job boards right now. doing so would blow up that bubble you live in real fast.

/unpaid business development full-time internships? I don't know whether to laugh or cry


People with real majors who intern at real companies do just fine. Business development and startups do not meet those requirements.
 
2013-01-30 12:58:21 PM

GameSprocket: miscreant: Biggest reason this doesn't happen more? Timezones. It's a pain in the ass to work with developers in India and China if you're a US based company. If you need something fixed, you can't really just call up the developers, or even if you can, you're getting them out of bed. So if you have management in the US, which they normally do, then everything takes twice as long to get done because any changes in requirements take longer to get to the programmers.

Actually, the people who have to stay up late and be in early to handle the hand-off (yes, it was me) have no say in whether work gets sent off-shore. The real reason that sending work overseas has lost its allure is that no one alive has ever developed the skill to product absolutely complete and unambiguous requirements.

The foreign work houses will produce exactly what you ask for, even if it wasn't what you meant. Don't expect that they will add obvious input checks or error handling or that they will push back on crazy requirements. By the time you define a project thoroughly enough to have a good chance of getting what you want, you could have just developed it.


Luckily Congress is currently considering a bill to up number of H1-b visas issued upto 350,000.
 
2013-01-30 01:05:17 PM
cab drivers make $200 a shift, work or don't work the boss doesn't care too much and take off whenever they want, it makes it the perfect graduate degree job or so my friends in Law school says.
 
2013-01-30 01:07:21 PM

OptionC: dumbobruni: TheSelphie: cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.

Internships for real majors are nearly always paid.

oh, you would hate to read tech startup job boards right now. doing so would blow up that bubble you live in real fast.

/unpaid business development full-time internships? I don't know whether to laugh or cry

People with real majors who intern at real companies do just fine. Business development and startups do not meet those requirements.


Belkin, Etsy, Rocket Internet (VC firm), and Gilt are not real companies?

other "not real" companies include Estee Lauder, Zipcar, Roubini Global Economics, Christie's, Cablevision, Time Warner, Kenneth Cole (corporate side), Gawker (bunch of hypocrites), etc.
 
2013-01-30 01:09:10 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: TheSelphie: cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.

Internships for real majors are nearly always paid.

A living wage?


Our internships pay something like $30/hr, fully covered health benefits, and they provide free housing.

Very livable.
 
2013-01-30 01:28:31 PM

mcreadyblue: GameSprocket: miscreant: Biggest reason this doesn't happen more? Timezones. It's a pain in the ass to work with developers in India and China if you're a US based company. If you need something fixed, you can't really just call up the developers, or even if you can, you're getting them out of bed. So if you have management in the US, which they normally do, then everything takes twice as long to get done because any changes in requirements take longer to get to the programmers.

Actually, the people who have to stay up late and be in early to handle the hand-off (yes, it was me) have no say in whether work gets sent off-shore. The real reason that sending work overseas has lost its allure is that no one alive has ever developed the skill to product absolutely complete and unambiguous requirements.

The foreign work houses will produce exactly what you ask for, even if it wasn't what you meant. Don't expect that they will add obvious input checks or error handling or that they will push back on crazy requirements. By the time you define a project thoroughly enough to have a good chance of getting what you want, you could have just developed it.

Luckily Congress is currently considering a bill to up number of H1-b visas issued upto 350,000.


The thing with H1-b visas is that they spend their paychecks here at local stores and restaurants. They rent from local landords. They buy and maintain cars here. It's the lesser of two evils by a long stretch.

I've been in the biz since the 1980s and remember what IT/CS work was like then. It was fat beardy guys with poor hygiene, poor social skills and an inflated sense of their own worth. They insulted everyone and a prereq for IT/CS management was a thick skin and ability to function as a Speaker To Animals, ie, isolate the geeks from the rest of the company. Good luck getting them to comment their code and everything was, apparently, "intuitively obvious to anyone who isn't a moron".

The Indian programmers they brought in were not savants, they were middle class people who wanted to make a good living. They definitely changed the culture for the better. They're not perfect and they can be insular, but it's nothing like what I had to deal with before. Bonus is that they know how to spell.

The Chinese folk I've worked with have been a little clannish, but the only real difficulty with them is usually language based.They tend to be pretty nose to the grindstone.
 
2013-01-30 01:39:06 PM
why would anyone ever intern for for free? i got my start in an apprenticeship.
 
2013-01-30 02:09:27 PM

dumbobruni: OptionC: dumbobruni: TheSelphie: cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.

Internships for real majors are nearly always paid.

oh, you would hate to read tech startup job boards right now. doing so would blow up that bubble you live in real fast.

/unpaid business development full-time internships? I don't know whether to laugh or cry

People with real majors who intern at real companies do just fine. Business development and startups do not meet those requirements.

Belkin, Etsy, Rocket Internet (VC firm), and Gilt are not real companies?

other "not real" companies include Estee Lauder, Zipcar, Roubini Global Economics, Christie's, Cablevision, Time Warner, Kenneth Cole (corporate side), Gawker (bunch of hypocrites), etc.


Those might be real companies, but those internships are for people with majors in things like communications or marketing. For the most part, STEM majors get paid (well) for their internship - real companies (Intel, Google, GM, Lockheed, GE etc.) hiring interns with real majors (engineering, math, computer science) actually pay a good bit because if they don't, the interns will go another company that will.
 
2013-01-30 02:26:10 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: TheSelphie: cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.

Internships for real majors are nearly always paid.

A living wage?


Yes. I was an intern for a year while finishing my grad degree in Comp Sci. I lived well.
 
2013-01-30 02:54:42 PM
Saves a lot of time and money. You can get a second opinion on your way to your Doctor's office.

Just make sure your cabbie is a medical doctor and not a Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D). That's just a useless phoney degree, like Ikebana, which is the Japanese art of arranging flowers to look like koi fish hiding among pond weeds (my idiosyncratic definition, but try to prove me wrong).

Your cabbie is an expert on many subjects (religion, politics, sports, crazy effing mothafarkers cutting me off and rocket science) but it is best to get each man talking on the subject he knows best, his profession or occupation, as Montagne opined in his Essais.

You'd know that if you had a Ph.D., but then if you had a Ph.D., you'd be making good money driving a cab and wouldn't have to get your stupid second opinions from cab drivers, dumbass.
 
2013-01-30 02:55:13 PM
Here, let me explain it for you...

There was a time when people weren't encouraged to go to college. See, lots of jobs need skillsets that college doesn't encourage. Some jobs require college degrees though, in fields where you really do need extra years of education. Before we pushed everyone to go to college, it was just the intellectual types that went. The smart kids and the rich kids.

This lead to a CORRELATION between college and being well paid or successful.

Smart kids and rich kids both tend to grow up to be successful in their careers. They also tend to go into careers that pay a lot.

Then, a lot of people who don't understand correlation and causation decided if we send everyone to college then everyone would be at the top of the resume stack! And everyone would get a great job. By definition, that makes very little sense....since everyone can't possibly be better than average. But we're a stupid society. So we pushed to get more kids into college. We gave out endless supplies of student loans and that caused tuition to skyrocket. We started judging high schools and elementary schools on their ability to get kids into college, so they pushed hard to get their students to score high on some standardized test, require community service b.s., and pressured teachers to inflate the students GPA (in my high school a 3.2 GPA was the median!).

Now, we have more college kids graduating.

But they aren't all smart or rich kids. They are just regular 'ol nobodies with degrees in 'nothing special'. And there is a flood of them. Even students with really great degrees - Masters and PhD students are finding they aren't anything special and there are too many other people just like them fighting over jobs they want.
 
2013-01-30 03:00:46 PM

OptionC: dumbobruni: OptionC: dumbobruni: TheSelphie: cryinoutloud: video man: Funny, seeing that about 60% of the internships on my University's job search thingy is for CS students. 30% are for engineering, and about 10% for business, marketing, and economics students.

Internships--so, how many of them actually pay? No reason why some poor slob who can barely make it through college with every student loan he can finagle shouldn't take an unpaid internship. Oh wait, those are for the kids who already have plenty of money and connections, don't have to earn money to get through school, and would have gotten a good job anyway, even without an internship.

Internships for real majors are nearly always paid.

oh, you would hate to read tech startup job boards right now. doing so would blow up that bubble you live in real fast.

/unpaid business development full-time internships? I don't know whether to laugh or cry

People with real majors who intern at real companies do just fine. Business development and startups do not meet those requirements.

Belkin, Etsy, Rocket Internet (VC firm), and Gilt are not real companies?

other "not real" companies include Estee Lauder, Zipcar, Roubini Global Economics, Christie's, Cablevision, Time Warner, Kenneth Cole (corporate side), Gawker (bunch of hypocrites), etc.

Those might be real companies, but those internships are for people with majors in things like communications or marketing. For the most part, STEM majors get paid (well) for their internship - real companies (Intel, Google, GM, Lockheed, GE etc.) hiring interns with real majors (engineering, math, computer science) actually pay a good bit because if they don't, the interns will go another company that will.


Marketing isn't a real major? Hilarious. The only majors that are real are STEM? even more hilarious. tell that too all the scientists that can't get jobs.

you and other STEM cheerleaders sound like business majors from 2005-2006. arrogance is off the farking charts.
 
2013-01-30 04:03:13 PM
I was a cabbie for a few years in Portland. It's as good as any other service industry job if you want to be a drunk or junkie.
 
2013-01-30 05:26:27 PM

dumbobruni: Marketing isn't a real major? Hilarious. The only majors that are real are STEM? even more hilarious. tell that too all the scientists that can't get jobs.

you and other STEM cheerleaders sound like business majors from 2005-2006. arrogance is off the farking charts.


They'll get theirs when their jobs are offshored.
They think it won't happen, but all it takes is a new VP to look at the balance sheet and think he can get it done cheaper in Eastern Europe to pad his bonus.
Then the ones who still can't read the writing on the wall will talk down to them, too, that their degree was worthless and they should have gotten with the times and studied new and exciting XYZ.
 
2013-01-30 05:53:04 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: dumbobruni: Marketing isn't a real major? Hilarious. The only majors that are real are STEM? even more hilarious. tell that too all the scientists that can't get jobs.

you and other STEM cheerleaders sound like business majors from 2005-2006. arrogance is off the farking charts.

They'll get theirs when their jobs are offshored.
They think it won't happen, but all it takes is a new VP to look at the balance sheet and think he can get it done cheaper in Eastern Europe to pad his bonus.
Then the ones who still can't read the writing on the wall will talk down to them, too, that their degree was worthless and they should have gotten with the times and studied new and exciting XYZ.


there are startups that already offshore much of their development work overseas. Fab.com and FreeWheel, for example.
 
2013-01-30 06:18:00 PM
im not concerned at all. anyone who has a real degree is getting a well paying job. most of my friends have gotten jobs right out of college that pay 65k. the people that end up being strippers and cab drivers are the ones that spent their time riding the frat boy cock carousel in a shiat tier major.
 
2013-01-30 06:29:25 PM

GF named my left testicle thundercles: im not concerned at all. anyone who has a real degree is getting a well paying job. most of my friends have gotten jobs right out of college that pay 65k. the people that end up being strippers and cab drivers are the ones that spent their time riding the frat boy cock carousel in a shiat tier major.


Sergeant Grumbles: They think it won't happen, but all it takes is a new VP to look at the balance sheet and think he can get it done cheaper in Eastern Europe to pad his bonus.


I had one of those well paying jobs.
We'd just done a round of hiring, two new teams of 3 and a new project manager. We were opening up into Europe and did a lot of work for the French iPhone and iPad and were looking to move into Germany. Things looked great.
One day, out of the blue, not even enough warning to finish my cup of coffee or grab my lunch from the company fridge, boss comes in and says we're done. Save your work, shut down everything, and turn in your security keyfabs on the way out.
You think it won't happen. Then it does.
Get off your high horse, or the fall will hurt that much more.
 
2013-01-30 06:54:05 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: GF named my left testicle thundercles: im not concerned at all. anyone who has a real degree is getting a well paying job. most of my friends have gotten jobs right out of college that pay 65k. the people that end up being strippers and cab drivers are the ones that spent their time riding the frat boy cock carousel in a shiat tier major.

Sergeant Grumbles: They think it won't happen, but all it takes is a new VP to look at the balance sheet and think he can get it done cheaper in Eastern Europe to pad his bonus.

I had one of those well paying jobs.
We'd just done a round of hiring, two new teams of 3 and a new project manager. We were opening up into Europe and did a lot of work for the French iPhone and iPad and were looking to move into Germany. Things looked great.
One day, out of the blue, not even enough warning to finish my cup of coffee or grab my lunch from the company fridge, boss comes in and says we're done. Save your work, shut down everything, and turn in your security keyfabs on the way out.
You think it won't happen. Then it does.
Get off your high horse, or the fall will hurt that much more.


Been there, done that, took a vacation, enjoyed the severance, got another job a couple months later (and this was  September-December of 2008, when it looked like the world was coming to an end).  If you are reasonably good at it and are willing to move around a occasionally, engineering is not such a bad gig.
 
2013-01-30 07:07:12 PM

Slam Dunkz: CS majors have never wanted for work. Even during the .com implosion only crappy engineers couldn't find jobs.

Hopefully this happens to MBAs though (stuck driving cabs). I feel that they are the blight on the business world. You need one or two here and there not oodles of them deciding how to "improve" business processes and running them into the ground.


You sound like a typical pinheaded computer major.  If you are so intelligent, and the MBAs are so stupid, how come you guys have to report to them, and make a lot less money they they do?
 
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