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(Yahoo)   That US Navy minesweeper is still stuck on the reef and can't get off on her own. New plan: open her wide and tear her a new one   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 99
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2013-01-30 04:01:17 AM
In the days since, the Navy was unable to tow the ship off the reef as poor sea conditions complicated the salvage effort.

Yeah, those seas look pretty brutal. One to two foot waves, at least.

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2013-01-30 04:10:42 AM
Oh wait, let me guess- Some Admiral has a friend who makes these , who needs a few hundred million, right ?
 
2013-01-30 05:54:49 AM

vossiewulf: In the days since, the Navy was unable to tow the ship off the reef as poor sea conditions complicated the salvage effort.

Yeah, those seas look pretty brutal. One to two foot waves, at least.


There's something else going on there --something they don't want us to know. They found something, and now... The have to hide it... FROM EARTH!
 
DAR [TotalFark]
2013-01-30 08:42:32 AM
bad enough to run your ship aground but having salvagers cut it up to get it off the rocks is really bad........the whole bridge crew should be keelhauled & stranded on that beach with a bad conduct discharge just like the old days.......k/dar
 
2013-01-30 09:10:59 AM
This is not going to look good on certain officers' résumés....
 
2013-01-30 09:11:47 AM
Iranian Navy?
/Oh us.
//Yes, I already knew...I was being *sarcastic*
 
2013-01-30 09:13:37 AM
I was going to totally go off on the fact the hull was made of wood, but I guess it explains it at the bottom.

Odd, very odd.
 
2013-01-30 09:18:18 AM
I don't normally do the "better headline" thing, but this would have been funny:


Minesweeper stuck en Solitaire
 
2013-01-30 09:19:49 AM
FTFA: According to a Navy fact sheet, the Navy's 14 Avenger-class ships "are designed as mine sweepers/hunter-killers capable of finding, classifying and destroying moored and bottom mines." With hulls made of wood and sheathed in fiberglass, the 224-foot-long vessels "use sonar and video systems, cable cutters and a mine detonating device that can be released and detonated by remote control. They are also capable of conventional sweeping measures."

If only there were some way for such a ship to have been able to spot the shallow depths and avoid the reef before the ship got on top of it.
 
2013-01-30 09:19:57 AM

DAR: bad enough to run your ship aground but having salvagers cut it up to get it off the rocks is really bad........the whole bridge crew should be keelhauled & stranded on that beach with a bad conduct discharge just like the old days.......k/dar


'GILLIGAN!?!?!!'
 
2013-01-30 09:20:25 AM
its no big deal anyways. the tax payer has it covered.
 
2013-01-30 09:21:34 AM

belome: I was going to totally go off on the fact the hull was made of wood, but I guess it explains it at the bottom.

Odd, very odd.


I believe it has something to do with naval mines using magnets to attract themselves to ships (limpet mines), or using a magnetometer to trigger themselves when a large metallic object (i.e. a ship) passes overhead.

My first thought was that someone's naval career just went down the toilet, but then I saw that they had been given a bad chart.
 
2013-01-30 09:29:05 AM
Bollocks to the bad chart excuse. They didn't keep a proper lookout, didn't apparently either use or read the extensive forward sonar array they must have (warning: Coral cliff ahead!) and didn't keep a proper distance from known hazards. Bad chart, my bilge pump.

Everyone involved should be turned into ladled chum.

/have run aground and got off myself without aid or further damage.
 
2013-01-30 09:29:43 AM
I suspect the cutting operation will do more damage than just allowing one barge crane would have.
Alot of crap is going to spill from this things tanks when you start to slice it open.
 
2013-01-30 09:33:54 AM
Maybe they were pissed for being sent out mine sweeping with a wooden bottom boat.
 
2013-01-30 09:34:41 AM
why not just fill it with pingpong balls and forget about it?
 
2013-01-30 09:35:46 AM
Wait for Global Warming to raise the sea a couple of feet and she will be good to go!
 
2013-01-30 09:36:05 AM

Cybernetic: My first thought was that someone's naval career just went down the toilet, but then I saw that they had been given a bad chart.


The skipper is no doubt fired, the navigator and OOD will go before the Admiral, the quartermaster and ANAV will go to Admiral's or CO's mast if they haven't already. The Philipines congress has opened a formal investigation; that's officially bad news. Yeah, they used a bad chart, but there is an extensive review process to make sure this doesn't happen.

There are also standard operating procedures to ensure that a bad chart doesn't beach you. USS SAN FRAN learned that lesson the hard way, when a poorly-noted seamount popped up underneath them and they didn't take adequate action to avoid a top-speed grounding. At least on GUARDIAN, no one was hurt... SAN FRAN lost MM2 Ashley and half the crew had significant-to-serious injuries.
 
DAR [TotalFark]
2013-01-30 09:36:51 AM

Cybernetic: My first thought was that someone's naval career just went down the toilet, but then I saw that they had been given a bad chart.


your first thought was correct.  Bad chart or not, that skipper's career is over and most of this bridge crew also.

Navigators now days get too used to GPS / electronic equipment and forget to use MK-1 Eye Ball.   Blue water deep, green water shallow.

I'm willing to bet the 72 hour port call in the Philippines had something to do with running aground.....k/dar
 
2013-01-30 09:38:38 AM
frikkin idiots.
 
2013-01-30 09:38:57 AM

Valiente: Bollocks to the bad chart excuse. They didn't keep a proper lookout, didn't apparently either use or read the extensive forward sonar array they must have (warning: Coral cliff ahead!) and didn't keep a proper distance from known hazards. Bad chart, my bilge pump.

Everyone involved should be turned into ladled chum.

/have run aground and got off myself without aid or further damage.


This.

The Captain of that vessel will be lucky if he's allowed to command a one-man kayak after this.
 
2013-01-30 09:40:04 AM
As a diver, I am cringing at the image of that boat crushing the reef.
 
2013-01-30 09:41:37 AM
Time to send in McHale's navy
 
2013-01-30 09:41:40 AM
I've read around that the parks service that manages this marine sanctuary had warned GUARDIAN about their intrusion into the protected area, but the radio exchange and attempted permit inspection did not succeed. They knew they were in restricted waters, bad chart or not.
 
2013-01-30 09:41:41 AM
Another view from four days ago showing wave action.

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2013-01-30 09:42:55 AM
Valiente: /have run aground and got off myself without aid or further damage.

You must have really enjoyed running aground
 
2013-01-30 09:44:52 AM

RatOmeter: The Captain of that vessel will be lucky if he's allowed to command a one-man kayak after this.


It is scary to think that guys junior to me are commanding ships, although that's been a reality for the past few years now in the surface fleet. LCDR Rice is probably four years junior to me, and still I think I would have taken the park rangers' word that we were steaming into a reef zone since that's all those rangers do is protect that sanctuary.

Pissing contest: lost.
 
2013-01-30 09:54:38 AM

numbone: Maybe they were pissed for being sent out mine sweeping with a wooden bottom boat.


Given the prevalence of magentic field-activated mines I'd say that a wooden hull is better.

Unfortunately, wood doesn't stand up to being scraped on jagged coral quite like steel though.
 
2013-01-30 10:04:38 AM
I wonder how many out of the box ideas have been spitballed for this thing or how many people just don't want to chance being associated with the epic fail.

You could try the aforementioned Ping-Pong balls; they worked on mythbusters, although that yacht was fully submerged. Or maybe putting strap some inflatable air bags around the hull. According to Wikipedia, the ship weighs in at around 1300 tons, and the record lift capacity for helicopters is around 44.

Maybe unload all the fuel, weapons, bunk beds, ice cream in the freezer - basically unbolt & part out everything you can to make the thing lighter, then wait for max high tide, try to lift it and pull it off with a tug. It wouldn't take any longer than showing up with a bunch of cutting torches and trying to figure a safe way to dismantle the thing.
 
2013-01-30 10:05:27 AM
Get out the chain saw...
 
2013-01-30 10:06:32 AM
The ship is going to sink either way, as I understand it it's suffered significant hull damage and is starting to crack. Remove the equipment, cut it up, and God help the captain because he's farked.
 
2013-01-30 10:11:16 AM
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/inconsolable
 
2013-01-30 10:13:31 AM

Valiente: Bollocks to the bad chart excuse. They didn't keep a proper lookout, didn't apparently either use or read the extensive forward sonar array they must have (warning: Coral cliff ahead!) and didn't keep a proper distance from known hazards. Bad chart, my bilge pump.

Everyone involved should be turned into ladled chum.

/have run aground and got off myself without aid or further damage.


1. The chart was off by eight miles.

2. A lookout is going to be oh so helpful for something that is underwater

3. Enlighten us, pray tell, about your knowledge of the ship's sonar capabilities.

It's one thing to have to watch this ship be stricken and it's captain farked over, it's entirely another thing to read the comments of the internet experts.
 
2013-01-30 10:14:50 AM

Karac: I wonder how many out of the box ideas have been spitballed for this thing or how many people just don't want to chance being associated with the epic fail.

You could try the aforementioned Ping-Pong balls; they worked on mythbusters, although that yacht was fully submerged. Or maybe putting strap some inflatable air bags around the hull. According to Wikipedia, the ship weighs in at around 1300 tons, and the record lift capacity for helicopters is around 44.

Maybe unload all the fuel, weapons, bunk beds, ice cream in the freezer - basically unbolt & part out everything you can to make the thing lighter, then wait for max high tide, try to lift it and pull it off with a tug. It wouldn't take any longer than showing up with a bunch of cutting torches and trying to figure a safe way to dismantle the thing.


That thing is on there good. No matter what you do, its draft isn't going to be a few inches where you can float it on its own.
 
2013-01-30 10:16:09 AM
Welcome aboard the USS Gillette Razor . . .
 
2013-01-30 10:16:57 AM

DAR: bad enough to run your ship aground but having salvagers cut it up to get it off the rocks is really bad........the whole bridge crew should be keelhauled & stranded on that beach with a bad conduct discharge just like the old days.......k/dar


I don't know how this would figure in:
A preliminary Navy review found that the digital chart the crew was using to navigate the ship incorrectly listed the reef's location by 8 miles.

Perhaps the cartographer should be keelhauled and stranded with them?
 
2013-01-30 10:17:10 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: Valiente: Bollocks to the bad chart excuse. They didn't keep a proper lookout, didn't apparently either use or read the extensive forward sonar array they must have (warning: Coral cliff ahead!) and didn't keep a proper distance from known hazards. Bad chart, my bilge pump.

Everyone involved should be turned into ladled chum.

/have run aground and got off myself without aid or further damage.

1. The chart was off by eight miles.

2. A lookout is going to be oh so helpful for something that is underwater

3. Enlighten us, pray tell, about your knowledge of the ship's sonar capabilities.

It's one thing to have to watch this ship be stricken and it's captain farked over, it's entirely another thing to read the comments of the internet experts.


My uncle was a 20 year Navy man and we got to talking about this. He basically said, none of the above matters because the ship had equipment to detect the reef regardless. In his words, "According the the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything from making sure the ship is safe to the flies farting during chow. It's his ship."
 
2013-01-30 10:18:06 AM
That US Navy minesweeper is still stuck on the reef and can't get off on her own. New plan: open her wide and tear her a new one

I had hoped for more from this thread.
 
2013-01-30 10:18:39 AM

Karac: I wonder how many out of the box ideas have been spitballed for this thing or how many people just don't want to chance being associated with the epic fail.

You could try the aforementioned Ping-Pong balls; they worked on mythbusters, although that yacht was fully submerged. Or maybe putting strap some inflatable air bags around the hull. According to Wikipedia, the ship weighs in at around 1300 tons, and the record lift capacity for helicopters is around 44.

Maybe unload all the fuel, weapons, bunk beds, ice cream in the freezer - basically unbolt & part out everything you can to make the thing lighter, then wait for max high tide, try to lift it and pull it off with a tug. It wouldn't take any longer than showing up with a bunch of cutting torches and trying to figure a safe way to dismantle the thing.


Oh oh. There's a quart missing.
 
2013-01-30 10:22:31 AM
alienated

Oh wait, let me guess- Some Admiral has a friend who makes these , who needs a few hundred million, right ?

Yeah it certainly can't be eco stupidity to prevent minor damage that will re-grow. Oh wait, that's exactly what the article says it's about.
 
2013-01-30 10:25:05 AM

Karac: Maybe unload all the fuel, weapons, bunk beds, ice cream in the freezer - basically unbolt & part out everything you can to make the thing lighter, then wait for max high tide, try to lift it and pull it off with a tug. It wouldn't take any longer than showing up with a bunch of cutting torches and trying to figure a safe way to dismantle the thing.


They're no doubt going to be dismantling from the top and if the hull floats at some point, it floats. That it has holes in it is a problem, but they can be patched if they haven't been already. But they put themselves on a shelf, so even if they do end up floating her, she'll probably tip over without inflatable stabilizers.
 
2013-01-30 10:26:30 AM
Just let it go. It's not as if there's a shortage of minesweepers in the US Navy. After all, ANY ship can be a minesweeper...once.
 
2013-01-30 10:28:52 AM

Fail in Human Form: My uncle was a 20 year Navy man and we got to talking about this. He basically said, none of the above matters because the ship had equipment to detect the reef regardless. In his words, "According the the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything from making sure the ship is safe to the flies farting during chow. It's his ship."


Oh, the captain's farked alright, no doubt about that. I did twenty years too and I saw it happen several times. When it's deserved it's a thing of beauty, when it happens like this it's just sad.
 
2013-01-30 10:34:56 AM

Glancing Blow: Another view from four days ago showing wave action.

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That actually puts a new perspective on this whole thing. I'm assuming the water got shallow pretty suddenly/quickly, judging on those waves.
 
2013-01-30 10:35:46 AM
Seriously, if they are going to dismantle the ship, why not just salvage on-site and sink the rest and let it become a part of the reef eventually?

/seriously
//no, really
///seriously
 
2013-01-30 10:37:03 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: Fail in Human Form: My uncle was a 20 year Navy man and we got to talking about this. He basically said, none of the above matters because the ship had equipment to detect the reef regardless. In his words, "According the the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything from making sure the ship is safe to the flies farting during chow. It's his ship."

Oh, the captain's farked alright, no doubt about that. I did twenty years too and I saw it happen several times. When it's deserved it's a thing of beauty, when it happens like this it's just sad.


What did you do in the Navy? He was the "3rd seat" on a P3.
 
2013-01-30 10:38:39 AM
OnlyM3: Yeah it certainly can't be eco stupidity to prevent minor damage that will re-grow. Oh wait, that's exactly what the article says it's about.

Ignoring your predictable "screw it, it's only nature" stance for a moment, how exactly would we expect the Filipino government to handle this if they had run a huge ship aground in one of our national parks? The whole goddamn world isn't a dick-measuring contest, so f#cking relax with all the chest thumping, tough guy.
 
2013-01-30 10:40:30 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: When it's deserved it's a thing of beauty, when it happens like this it's just sad.


If other stories I've found are true, they were warned via radio and in person by an inspection team that they'd strayed into the protected sanctuary. If LCDR Rice isn't training his JOs to wake his ass up when they get contacted by the local constabulary, then LCDR Rice needs to get bounced. If they did wake him up (which is apparent since they were described as in "battle positions" to greet the Filipinos, then LCDR Rice needs to get bounced.

If those reports are inaccurate, then he might have a case. That water went from "good" to "not water" in a flash, as things are wont to do in the Pac.

Shaggy0717: Seriously, if they are going to dismantle the ship, why not just salvage on-site and sink the rest and let it become a part of the reef eventually?


It is "sunk." the thing isn't teetering, it is 100% in what appears to be about 3' of water, sitting entirely on the coral.
 
2013-01-30 10:41:01 AM

Old_Chief_Scott: 2. A lookout is going to be oh so helpful for something that is underwater


See those waves breaking on the reef and the changes in color? I could have told you there was an underwater rock there, and my experience is limited to the occasional whitewater canoe or kayak trip. A trained navy lookout should be able to tell that there's something there.

Old_Chief_Scott: 3. Enlighten us, pray tell, about your knowledge of the ship's sonar capabilities.


It's a farking minesweeper. Forward looking sonar to scan for underwater obstacles is kind of a thing with those.


Old_Chief_Scott: It's one thing to have to watch this ship be stricken and it's captain farked over, it's entirely another thing to read the comments of the internet experts.


One does not need to be an expert, internet or otherwise, to know that someone done goofed, big time, even given the bad chart.
 
2013-01-30 10:47:32 AM
Dude, could have been worse..

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