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(The Consumerist)   "Dear waiter, I'm a pastor so you don't get a tip. But hey, you're good with God, so that counts double"   (consumerist.com) divider line 96
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2013-01-30 06:56:14 AM
6 votes:
There is no excuse for being a cheap bastard. Hiding behind being a Pastor is as legitimate as saying i'm a pro ball player or a factory worker - it's all bullshiat. If you're trying to pull the "I'm a humble man of god without much cash in my pocket" then you shouldn't be dining out, dooshbag. I hate cheap people. Cheap clergy people, doubly so.

and who the fark thought that fake money would open someones heart to their god? WTF is wrong with people. some days i want to see it all burn, right to the ground.
2013-01-30 06:44:32 AM
6 votes:
Thanks pastor but a wallet-full of jesus ain't gonna pay the bills. That's about as effective as praying for ... well, anything.
2013-01-30 06:35:18 AM
6 votes:
Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.
2013-01-30 06:31:18 AM
6 votes:
I think most of these tip stories are fake.
2013-01-30 01:22:16 PM
5 votes:
The best tipper I ever saw was the bishop who took my catechism class out for pizza once. One of the kids had brought some of those fake-fifties with a religious message that he'd gotten at his own summer job and asked the bishop's opinion on the practice. He then specifically explained to us, using math on a napkin, how much waiters and waitresses make, what rent and utilities for even the humblest apartment cost, and reminded us that if we wanted to spread the love of Christ, the way to do so is by example, not just proselytizing. To prove to a fellow human being that our Way is worth following, he explained, we had to be the kind of people that someone would want to be like. The fake fifty, though...didn't that sound awfully like something a Pharisee would do? We kids all agreed (these are fourteen-year-olds,) and the Bishop led us in a prayer that we always remember the immediate needs of others when the time comes to share our faith.

So we decided not to order dessert, gathered all the crumpled ones and fives that we had brought for it, and then spent part of dinner marking the notations for our favorite Gospel quotes onto the bills. The Bishop himself gave the last twenty in his wallet, marked with a few words of acceptance and hope, and paid for the dinner on his charge card. Then we all stacked up the money, gathered our coats, stacked the plates and cups neatly at the edge of the table so bussing it would be easier, and scurried out to the parking lot, where we prayed that our waiter and busboy would see what we had done and consider Christ, if they hadn't already accepted Him. I think we'd scraped together $117 in tips for a $75 tab.

The very next week, the waiter showed up at church, and we welcomed him and his then-boyfriend as new members. The boyfriend had been raised Catholic and the waiter's family was agnostic, so they joined us catechumens for some of the 'basics' of the faith and we more or less adopted them as our big brothers. He and his now-husband had to drive out to D.C. last year to be married legally, but the Bishop still came back to bless their union in a church ceremony, as did most of us kids from that catechism class.

Not all Christians are horrible human beings, but it's the awful ones who speak the loudest.
2013-01-30 06:44:26 AM
5 votes:

people: Neondistraction: Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.

Aaaannnd. Holy crap, thats real
Friend received this "tip" from a group of uppity Christians. It was folded in half so it would seem legit. Bill was $105


Someone needs to make the FSM version of this and use it for when they go to weddings and the collection plate goes around.
2013-01-30 09:52:41 AM
4 votes:

Mr Guy: gulogulo: No one is saying it's 'theft'. They're saying he's a asshole.

No, we're actually saying if the automatic gratuity is listed on the menu, as it is almost everywhere, then he's legally obligated to pay it because it's a contract stipulation that's legally enforceable when disclosed in advance. He stole, indignant or not.


Plus, he doesn't give 10% to god. He's the pastor, others give 10%, or some amount, and he's the recipient.

It's called a parasite.
2013-01-30 08:05:25 AM
4 votes:
::sigh:::

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Tipping is a scam.

It's a scam on the employees: It allows the (for example) restaurant owner to offload personnel problems onto the customers ("I don't have to discipline the bad waiters, the customers will just not tip them"). It allows him to pay shiat wages to his staff (*ching* more money in his pocket!). And it allows him to offer lower prices because he has virtually no payroll expense (lower prices= more customers = more work for the waitstaff, but *ching* more money in the owners pocket). It's also disadvantageous for the waiter, because eh can never tell how much he'll be earning- a good week might be $400, a bad week might be $100. How do you plan for expenses??

It's a scam on the customer: Customers see a good price for food, only to pay 10%, 15%, 20% more at the end.

And it's extortion, plain and simple; pay me, or I'll mess with your food.

The solution is obvious- pay waiters (and other tipped positions) a FAIR wage, and do away with tipping.
2013-01-30 07:04:08 AM
4 votes:

PostApocalypticTribe: When I was a waitress, minimum wage was somewhere around $5.25 and I made $2.15 an hour. My paycheck was a joke.

/csb
//People who don't tip suck.
///I'm pretty sure he's going to hell.


I don't recall the proper name for this scam, but yeah: Some places can get around minimum wage rules by counting tips - whether those tips every appear or not - as part of the employee's income. Frankly, I think that farkery should be illegal.
2013-01-30 06:50:46 AM
4 votes:

Zaelath: Ok.. why? Is 5 tables of 4 less work?

Oh and "learn to type".


Yes. Coordinating and serving simultaneous meals, drinks and the fact that the turnover of that one table is going to be tied to how long that one table decides to be there (rather than the five tables eating at different paces and turning over quicker), which is usually a lot longer, all takes more work and means less revenue overall and completely ties up the server's time until they are done.
2013-01-30 06:44:50 AM
4 votes:
I don't pay my rent on prayers, asshole
2013-01-30 06:39:40 AM
4 votes:
The more conservative the church, the less likely they tip. That's always been the rule in the South.
2013-01-30 06:37:30 AM
4 votes:
Some of those religious types are the most tight-fisted assholes you'd ever "care" to meet - so yeah, I can see something like this happening. All kinds of people seem to think it's okay to pull bullshiat on waitstaff.

If this pastor has a name and a church address, I'll happily send him a few religious tips of my own.
2013-01-30 09:34:23 AM
3 votes:
Just to clarify (since some people seem to still have it wrong), the 34.93 is before the 18% gratuity. You can tell because 18% of 34.93 is 6.29, had the 34.93 been after the 18% gratuity, then the gratuity would have been $5.33
2013-01-30 08:07:26 AM
3 votes:
If I were this waiter, I would go to FexEx/Kinkos and have a 3'x4' poster printed of this check alongside a brief explanation of what happened...perhaps a few hundred fliers too...and stand outside this guy's church this coming Sunday wearing said poster and passing out the fliers.
2013-01-30 07:04:11 AM
3 votes:
My dad is a christian - informs everything he does. I have seen him leave tracts and things like that for a waiter but always in addition to a tip, because he knows that Jesus is great but people need money now.
2013-01-30 06:59:29 AM
3 votes:

jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.


This doesn't seem all that bad. I always leave 20% for the servers who work their ass off and get 2.50 an hour to do something I'm clearly too tired/lazy/hungry to do for myself. And you kind of sign up for that shiat when it lists it on the menu and you decide to stay anyways.
2013-01-30 06:53:10 AM
3 votes:

AnubisMan: Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference


Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.
2013-01-30 06:46:42 AM
3 votes:

jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.


It was an auto-gratuity: The pastard was eating with a party of 20 and the picture appears to be his portion of that larger bill. If he had a problem with the tip, he should have spoken with the manager instead of stiffing the guy making $5/h. What a farking douchebag.
2013-01-30 06:44:38 AM
3 votes:
St. Peter: Let's see...it appears you're a non-tipper. Go to Hell!
2013-01-30 06:37:50 AM
3 votes:
content6.flixster.com

So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
2013-01-30 06:35:59 AM
3 votes:

But hey, you're good with God, so that counts double


So he's got that going for him... which is nice.


gunga galunga
2013-01-30 02:51:36 PM
2 votes:

Da Bum: Why would a business do such a thing when I pay for what I ate? Is a person who pays what they are obligated to pay the price they charge for the food unprofitable? If that was the case, then every single restaurant would be unprofitable because they are undercharging for their food. If the price I pay should include a tip, include it into the price on the menu, not in some outdated system that allows slackers to game the system and make more than they claim on taxes. I do my job, do I expect those I help for a tip for a job well done? No, I don't. I did my damn job and I don't complain because I got stiffed on a tip. I get paid what my employer pays me and we agreed to those terms. If I don't like the pay I get, I would find another job.


Because profitability is not limited to your singular transaction. Restaurants are profitable because their prices, in this country, are subsidized by the exemptions they have from minimum wage laws. These exemptions only hold up as long as the staff is tipped. You are correct, people don't like that we've inherited this system. However, the system is still in place, and you're still benefiting from it whether you like it or not. You are unprofitable because in not paying your portion of the waitstaff's salary, it requires other patrons to make it up, or the restaurant itself, or have unsatisfied employees. There's no zero sum option in which you get to pay to have your service included in your meal, but everyone else gets to share the reduced prices that comes with paying the tip. That IS the job, and that's how it's legally defined in the labor relations codes in this country. It is expected that restaurants subsidize the cost of meals by allowing patrons to tip instead of charging them for service directly. That's how it works. If you don't like it, there's plenty of fast food or take out options available. You are freeloading if you participate in the service portion and refuse to pay for it.
2013-01-30 02:21:04 PM
2 votes:

Da Bum: Yes, I can afford to tip. I choose not to buy into that system. And if I'm a part of a large group, half the time I'll grab a table that is separate but right next to them to bypass the "auto gratuity".


Honestly, the restaurant should exercise their right to refuse you service. You have the option to opt out if you'd like, and order take out. If you exercise the space after acknowledging you don't intend to honor the social contract, then you shouldn't eat there, and they should correctly identify you as unprofitable. The prices you pay for any given restaurant that includes a waitstaff includes the assumption you will pay gratuity. They can't, as you correctly have deduced, force you to pay. They also don't have to provide you with service. You're abusing the system by taking advantage of the price discounts that offloading personnel costs provides while intentionally not participating. As a society, we find your shirking of your obligations to be freeloading, not edgy and rebellious. Get take out, jerk.
2013-01-30 10:50:21 AM
2 votes:

Bendal: At our regular Sunday lunch restaurant, we were seated when a huge group showed up to eat. Our regular waitress told us quietly this group had called ahead for seating for 12, but they were now up to 18, over a third of them were kids under the age of 8, and more "might show up".

The party was seated at two large tables (created by shoving smaller tables together, of course; that right there messes up the server's tables), with the small kids at one table (unsupervised) and the adults at the other. Sure enough, two more families show up and want to be seated with the larger party. More tables get shoved together, to the point where the only remaining non-party seating left are the booths.

The restaurant pulls two servers off the booths to handle this party. The kids start getting noisy; the adults get noisier to talk over the kids. The servers have trouble getting anything like a coherent order from the kids, and their parents are just the "well let them order for themselves" type. Our regular server, btw, got pulled off the booths and onto helping with the party (she keeps our table though).

The kids are now getting up and running around; parents either ignore them, deep in their own conversations, or just throwing out "now go and sit back down now" that the kids ignore.

Another regular customer shows up, and is seated in a booth next to the kids' table. She has a book and clearly intends to sit and read while her meal is prepared. The kids by now are deafening. After a few minutes of this, the customer stands up and yells "will you kids please BEHAVE yourselves!", and then gets up and walks to the last remaining table at the back of the restaurant, near the restrooms.

The rest of us non-party customers begin clapping. The kids sit back down; the parents quiet their conversational roar for a few minutes, then begin over again.

/we left shortly afterward
//our waitress apologized profusely for not paying as much attention to us as she normally did
///we unders ...


When you do not tip, you are stealing from the waiter.  Because the waiter has to often times tip out to the busser, host and food runners.  The tip out is normally calculated off total sales, not total tips received.  Usually it is 8% up to 12%+ of total sales.

The nicest restaurant I worked in and made the most money in, we had a 12% tip out - something like 1% to the host, 7% to the busser and 4% to the food runners.  So a table whose bill was $200, it cost ME $24 to serve them.  Now often times at this particular restaurant, I made 25%-30%+ on tips, so it was not THAT big of a deal.  But handing over close to $200 for tipout at the end of the night sucks...it sucks even more if you were stiffed.  Now image this scenario when you are in a place like Red Lobster or Fridays and your total sales are like $650.  In that instance, every damn penny counts.

I have gotten a few of those fake $50's and $100's along side a zero tip...and I have handed it right back to them thanking them for it, but I must decline as I cannot pay my rent with it.  I would say it in such a nice, humble, and almost silly/joking way, that a look of utter embarrassment would wash over their faces.  I would smile, turn around without saying anything else, and walk away.  I never had any of them complain to a manager, because let's be honest here, how ridiculous do you think that a conversation/complaint to the manager would sound? "I tried to stiff your waiter and give him a religious tract and he told me that he cannot accept it..."   More often than not, I would come back to the table and there would be like $15-$20 laying on the table after they left.
2013-01-30 10:26:15 AM
2 votes:

liam76: bustemup: Just to clarify (since some people seem to still have it wrong), the 34.93 is before the 18% gratuity. You can tell because 18% of 34.93 is 6.29, had the 34.93 been after the 18% gratuity, then the gratuity would have been $5.33

You don't give gratuity on taxes.

what do taxes that have to do with anything? Lowering the subtotal simply makes it even clearer that gratuity wasn't included. It is mathematically impossible for $34.93 to include an 18% gratuity of $6.29 on anything.

let me put it this way. for an 18% gratuity on a subtotal to be $6.29, the subtotal was about $34.93 (well, about that due to rounding). So it clearly didn't include the gratuity.

2013-01-30 09:40:32 AM
2 votes:
In both the Old and New Testaments the prophets and Jesus had lots to say about treating the poor fairly. Both sections of the Bible say much about making sure that the poor don't starve, and to not persecute them.

Waiters' base pay is something like $2.13 an hour, and I would venture to say that it's rare that they really make substantial wages unless they're employed at a high end restaurant. While a $20 a plate restaurant isn't "cheap," it's hardly the high end kind of place I mean. It's around the cost of a mid-range steak place. When my family dines out, we actually typically err on the high side for tips because we understand that a service is being provided, and wait staff's base pay is woefully small. We try to even out things for the selfish, entitled a-holes that seem to think they're better than their wait staff.

Ripping off a waiter for services he provided is theft. If someone provides a service for you, you should pay them. I always understood that the law of tithe is stated as ten percent to illustrate God's reasonableness. He didn't expect you to give him all of your money, just enough to make sure his church was running.

If this is indeed real, the pastor is a stone hearted jerk, not a man of God. I have to believe there are some people who genuinely believe in God and are good people in positions of clergy, but this guy's certainly not making a good name for them, he certainly seems to lack an understanding of the intention of the law of tithe.

I'm not religious any more, just stating my thoughts from what I recall from the Bible, which I think still may have some good moral lessons, there's certainly an abundance of "don't do that sort of stories."
2013-01-30 09:40:32 AM
2 votes:
"Human decency is not derived from religion, it precedes it."
abcnews.go.com
2013-01-30 09:22:35 AM
2 votes:
Why does God need money?
2013-01-30 09:11:10 AM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-01-30 09:09:12 AM
2 votes:
FTFA: "I Give God 10% Why do you Get 18″

Simple ... the waiter actually exists.
2013-01-30 08:22:33 AM
2 votes:

FuryOfFirestorm: If you're too cheap to leave a tip, then don't bother going out to eat. Funny how a lot of these assholes gladly drop $300 for dinner and $200 on a bottle of wine, but can't "afford" to leave at least a 10% tip. I always leave a 20% when I go out, unless the waiter had a nasty attitude or stood around texting on an iPhone instead of taking my order.

There should be a level of Hell reserved for people who leave those stupid religious tracts in lieu of a tip.


I quite agree: If you can afford to eat out, you can afford to tip.

My brother lives in Australia and says tipping doesn't really occur there. Wage laws are enforced so that waiters can actually live on what they earn.
2013-01-30 08:19:46 AM
2 votes:
If you're too cheap to leave a tip, then don't bother going out to eat. Funny how a lot of these assholes gladly drop $300 for dinner and $200 on a bottle of wine, but can't "afford" to leave at least a 10% tip. I always leave a 20% when I go out, unless the waiter had a nasty attitude or stood around texting on an iPhone instead of taking my order.

There should be a level of Hell reserved for people who leave those stupid religious tracts in lieu of a tip.
2013-01-30 08:10:39 AM
2 votes:
"I give God 10% why do you get 18"

Because the waitstaff is real, and performed a tangible service?
2013-01-30 07:45:55 AM
2 votes:

Zaelath: Ok.. why? Is 5 tables of 4 less work?

Oh and "learn to type".


Yeah, 'cause those diners aren't all going to order at the same time. And I don't have to bring 20 drinks at once. And they won't get up and move around as much. So yes, 5 tables of 4 is less work.
Thanks for asking, would you like dessert?
2013-01-30 07:23:59 AM
2 votes:

06Wahoo: One thing that wasn't in that post nor seems to have been questioned yet is the quality of service. I know 20 people is a lot and it can be tough on waiters, but that isn't an excuse for bad service. If this guy got good service, he isn't really in a position to feel too indignant, but if he was treated like crap, why should he have to give a tip? Without more details, I think this is just a bunch of people wanting to find a reason to whine about Christians by looking at one example that we still know very few little about.


If there was a problem with the service why would he hide behind being a pastor as his reason for not tipping? While I do somewhat question this story's legitimacy just due to the frequency of shiatty tipping stories coming out of the woodwork, I am inclined to believe it for two reasons: 1). I've actually heard someone use that exact line about giving god 10% to justify leaving a bad tip and 2). That seems like a very random thing for someone to come up with as a hoax.
2013-01-30 07:11:19 AM
2 votes:

Neondistraction: maskedloser: jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.

It was an auto-gratuity: The pastard was eating with a party of 20 and the picture appears to be his portion of that larger bill. If he had a problem with the tip, he should have spoken with the manager instead of stiffing the guy making $5/h. What a farking douchebag.

He probably doesn't even make that much. Most servers are paid $2.13 per hour.


I live in Canada, so our minimum wage rules are a bit stricter. Not strict enough, mind you, but stricter. There is an absolute bottom to what an establishment can pay its employees. Minimum wage in this province is $8.90, but one can still find waiters making bottom end wages through a loophole that counts their tips as income.

The fact US/State laws still allow what amounts to slave labor, in service to business' interests, is shameful enough. For a supposed religious man to do it...well, that's beyond the pale. I actually do hope his name hits the net.
2013-01-30 07:05:58 AM
2 votes:
This guy is a dick and yes, I believe it is real.
Worst tippers - middle aged church ladies.
2013-01-30 06:43:53 AM
2 votes:

jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.


You'd do better to read the article rather than just look at the pictures.
2013-01-30 06:40:57 AM
2 votes:
That is one thing I hate about child molesters. They are such bad tippers.
2013-01-30 06:40:18 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: a receipt for $34.93 with an automatic gratuity of 18%

fark that noise.


It was a table of 20 people. I do not think I have ever seen a place that does NOT enforce automatic gratuity for a party that size.
2013-01-30 06:38:53 AM
2 votes:
Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.
2013-01-30 06:36:52 AM
2 votes:
a receipt for $34.93 with an automatic gratuity of 18%

fark that noise.
2013-01-30 09:39:53 PM
1 votes:

SuperNinjaToad: While there are obviously some crummy pastors out there, I find the story hard to believe. Either the whole thing was made up OR the customer wasn't really a pastor and was just trolling the wait staff to cultivate hate for Christians. Perhaps even a farker.


Certainly can't be a True Scotsman. Let's go with that.
2013-01-30 09:30:14 PM
1 votes:
Next time the pastor should simply pray to not be hungry anymore.
2013-01-30 07:57:47 PM
1 votes:
God only needs 10% because he's tax exempt.
2013-01-30 05:24:40 PM
1 votes:
He should find out what church he is a pastor at and leave a note in the collection plate:

"I took my tip out of the collection plate. I took a $20 to compensate me for my time and gas in having to come down here.

Have a Blessed Day"
2013-01-30 04:22:48 PM
1 votes:

maskedloser: AnubisMan: Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference

Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.


Aye, if he's so farking holy, why isn't he giving god 100%? Isn't that what Paul and Jesus expected christians to do?
2013-01-30 04:09:57 PM
1 votes:
Luke 6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
2013-01-30 02:34:13 PM
1 votes:

Da Bum: Pay the waitstaff a fair wage and get rid of the tipping system. It's annoying and I hate paying the salary directly to waitstaff. It's not my fault that they chose a crappy line of work where they depend on the generosity of others to help them make ends meet.

Yes, I can afford to tip. I choose not to buy into that system. And if I'm a part of a large group, half the time I'll grab a table that is separate but right next to them to bypass the "auto gratuity".


If the net result is you ending up paying the same why do you care? I agree it is a kooky system but I don't see the harm in playing along. You sound like you are just a sad cheap bastard, and this is coming from someone who is pretty "cheap" himself.
2013-01-30 01:45:41 PM
1 votes:
drewblood.com
2013-01-30 01:26:57 PM
1 votes:

Salt Lick Steady: God, I can't make it through all the comments debating whether the "total" amount included the 18% gratuity.

Really, people. Seriously.

$6.29 is 18% of what? There's your answer.


*Raises hand*

OHH! I know!

It's TACO! You just have to divide Potato from Palin.
2013-01-30 11:55:00 AM
1 votes:
His salary gets skimmed from all the tithes that his parishioners pay; he's drawing his salary from God's revenue stream. Really, he doesn't give God anything, so I guess he figures he can stiff everyone else, too.

/I get really tired of hearing about people who use their faith as an excuse to be selfish pricks.
//I get even more tired that fellow religious don't call them out on it nearly enough
2013-01-30 11:52:53 AM
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.

He was with a large group that warranted the 18%. Fix your reading comprehension.


But it was a separate check, and thus not part of the group.

What's to stop the restaurant from assuming everyone in the dining room is part of a single group, and 'auto-gratting' them all?
2013-01-30 11:48:34 AM
1 votes:

jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.


He was with a large group that warranted the 18%.  Fix your reading comprehension.
2013-01-30 11:28:11 AM
1 votes:

Lord Dimwit: AbbeySomeone: This guy is a dick and yes, I believe it is real.
Worst tippers - middle aged church ladies.

I remember working at Subway in high school and college and having the after church crowd order their food and pay, and then tell me I'm a sinner for working on the Sabbath and refusing to tip.


Well what kind of tips were you expecting at a Subway, anyway?

Seriously though, I hate those kinds of arguments from the church going folk. If you think it's a sin to work on the sabbath, why the flying fark are you supporting it by patronizing the restaurant? That's contributing.
2013-01-30 11:22:35 AM
1 votes:
"I give God 10%, why do you get 18?"

Because God isn't real and you've wasted your life.
2013-01-30 11:16:27 AM
1 votes:
This is why everyone should be required to work a year in food service. f*** compulsive military service, people need to learn to appreciatewhat it takes to bust your ass waiting tables for 8 hours a day for usually half of minimum wage.
2013-01-30 11:15:09 AM
1 votes:
CSB: I once got tipped a dollar on a table that stayed over an hour and a half. True, the kitchen totally farked up their order at one point (through no fault of my own) but we fixed it and comped their dessert and I provided the best service I could the entire time. It was a second job and the restaurant was failing so I didn't care much about losing the job. Upon discovering the $1 tip on the $65 meal I chased them out to the parking lot, said "Hey you forgot something!" put the dollar in the dude's hand and said, "If this is all you can afford to tip you obviously need the money more than me." And I went back inside. GOD, that was satisfying.
2013-01-30 10:40:03 AM
1 votes:

Off2403: While I do somewhat question this story's legitimacy just due to the frequency of shiatty tipping stories coming out of the woodwork


Some aren't legit, but there's also probably a feedback-type effect happening - the waitstaff of the world see that posting shiatty tipping experiences (real and concocted) on the internet is becoming more and more of a thing, so more and more do it.
2013-01-30 10:34:42 AM
1 votes:
I was a waiter in the early 2000's in southern MS. This type of crap happened all the time. A lot of the tips were the change left over. Some days were good ($40 tips) 1-2 shifts a week would be below $10. But you would always get the asshole that doesn't tip male waiters, or the god ones that leave chick tracts / fake money.

Was a rough time as I didn't have a car and that was the only place I could get a ride to daily so my options were limited. I made 2.15/hr. Of course at least 2 hours a day was spent folding silverware and we had to do all the dishes / bussing as well. Tips there sucked. The place was small so only had 1 waiter / waitress on duty except during lunch when there was 2. Of course there was always no shows on Sundays because the church crowd never tipped and worked you ragged.

What really sucked was when the cook decided to go smoke a joint and would be gone for a few hours (owners son) and I had to cook the food also (no wage bonus) and the tips would suck even more. You try waiting tables and cooking food for 11 people at the same time, see how many tips you get. You were responsible for walkouts (couldn't see shiat while cooking). Oh and wage matching... don't make me laugh.

Last straw was when they got fined for a dirty exhaust where the food was cooked and made me clean it for my wonderfull 2.15/hr wage which took 14 hours. That was the nastiest shiat I ever touched.

Hurricane Katrina was the best thing that happened to that place :) Cheap bastards didn't carry insurance.
2013-01-30 10:17:30 AM
1 votes:
I was in a large group over the weekend and had an automatic 18% added on. The waiter knew it would be automatic, and therefore rendered horrible services. I understand that that's what they live on, etc, but it wasn't the restaurants fault, it wasn't the cooks fault, it was her fault alone. The "additional tip" line is really hard to cross through because you know they still look at that and go "what a cheapass!" but I didn't mind doing it in this situation.

It makes me wonder, what does a waiter really make? Let's take Red Lobster for instance, what do you think they average a year? An actual amount, not what they claim on taxes..
2013-01-30 10:06:46 AM
1 votes:
The problem here is that this pastor believes that his position and title hold him above petty rules and common courtesies that mere mortals must follow. He obviously doesn't realize that only politicians are more equal than the rest of us. Pastors lost any elevated status back in the 70's.
2013-01-30 09:40:42 AM
1 votes:

stuhayes2010: I think most of these tip stories are fake.


Apply the Drake equation:

How many restaurant meals are served in the US each day? Lets assume 10 million -- meaning one out of thirty is eating out once a day.

Now, lets assume that 1 out of every 1000 people are assholes. That means that every day, 10 000 assholes are served a meal.
Assume that 1 out of 100 severs is a self-righteous bastard. Every day, 100 assholes are served by a self righteous bastard.

The real question is: Why aren't I seeing 36 500 of these posts a year?
2013-01-30 09:35:27 AM
1 votes:

orbister: maskedloser: It was an auto-gratuity: The pastard was eating with a party of 20 and the picture appears to be his portion of that larger bill. If he had a problem with the tip, he should have spoken with the manager instead of stiffing the guy making $5/h. What a farking douchebag.

His point, I think, was that 18% was sufficiently greedy to merit 0% as a rebuke. I'm ok with that.


I disagree. The gratuity was listed on the menu. That party of 20 knew, before ordering a thing, that they would be expected to pay an additional fee for all the extra service they required. The pastor stiffed some waited for what amounted to just a little over $6 because he 'already gave to God'? That's one massive douchebag there,
2013-01-30 09:24:38 AM
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Why does God need money?


That's what I've always wondered.

But,

Religion = Superstition + $$$$$
2013-01-30 09:15:08 AM
1 votes:
The "mandatory gratuity" for large groups may be an oxymoron, but I don't have a problem with it. When a waitress serves a large group, she often serves no other tables during that time. The fee is in response to groups who don't tip and then then waitress is screwed out of tips for most of the evening. If she served several different tables during that time, at least one or two tables would have left a decent tip.

At least at most full-service restaurants. I once wrote in a 20% tip on the credit slip at the local Cracker Barrel and the clerk giggled and thanked me and called other employees over to see ...because so few of the elderly travelers they serve ever leave a tip at all. It was kind of embarrassing.
2013-01-30 08:44:39 AM
1 votes:

Endive Wombat: If restaurants were to pay their wait staff say $12 per hour, your meal would go up much more than a blanket 20%.  (I do not have any links to articles)


Get some, then. But before you do, my counterargument is that I'd pay a 20% markup on my food if I knew the waitstaff were paid a wage commensurate to their work, rather than being lowballed and forced to live off of tips (which, unlike you and your "fine dining" establishment, usually is not enough to make it livable.)
2013-01-30 08:41:26 AM
1 votes:
Dear pastor:

There's no money in the collection plate because you're going to heaven instead!

Hallelujah!
2013-01-30 08:35:25 AM
1 votes:

fredklein: ::sigh:::

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Tipping is a scam.

It's a scam on the employees: It allows the (for example) restaurant owner to offload personnel problems onto the customers ("I don't have to discipline the bad waiters, the customers will just not tip them"). It allows him to pay shiat wages to his staff (*ching* more money in his pocket!). And it allows him to offer lower prices because he has virtually no payroll expense (lower prices= more customers = more work for the waitstaff, but *ching* more money in the owners pocket). It's also disadvantageous for the waiter, because eh can never tell how much he'll be earning- a good week might be $400, a bad week might be $100. How do you plan for expenses??

It's a scam on the customer: Customers see a good price for food, only to pay 10%, 15%, 20% more at the end.

And it's extortion, plain and simple; pay me, or I'll mess with your food.

The solution is obvious- pay waiters (and other tipped positions) a FAIR wage, and do away with tipping.


Whoa there...slow your roll there turbo...

A few things:
When I waited tables, I almost always knew how much I was making, granted I mostly waited in fine dining and every shift was a guaranteed $100+, with Thursday-Saturday night tips being $300-$400+.  Budgeting is really easy to do.  It is just like a commissioned sales gig.

"Pay me or I will mess with your food" - While there are likely some bad apples, the risk of jail, tainting your good name, getting your restaurant shut down, and never being able to get another restaurant job again is simply not worth it.  Spitting, peeing, cuming into someones food is more or less and urban legend perpetuated by Hollywood and the internet.  I have worked in a lot or restaurants over the years and have never once seen anyone ever mess with someones food.

If restaurants were to pay their wait staff say $12 per hour, your meal would go up much more than a blanket 20%.  (I do not have any links to articles) This topic has been discussed quite a bit and the general consensus among economists and accountants is that the average restaurant bill would balloon to something like 30%-40%, not a simple 20%.  This is taking into account payroll taxes, paying waiters during slow times, doing their end of the night side work, etc.
2013-01-30 08:32:49 AM
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2013-01-30 08:32:07 AM
1 votes:
What does god need with my 10%?
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2013-01-30 08:10:08 AM
1 votes:
I absolutely can not get my brain around these notes. First, the "givers" of these do not tip. Secondly, they leave a condescending "message" for the waiter. And then, just to really rub it in, they put the message on a fake bill, just to maximize the disappointment in the receiver. It's almost as they are trying make people hate Christians... wait a minute...
2013-01-30 08:08:27 AM
1 votes:
"Pastard" is my new favorite word.
2013-01-30 07:57:54 AM
1 votes:

Faddy: The pastor tipped 18%, if he didn't want to tip he got screwed over by the automatic gratuity (restaurants please look up gratuity in the dictionary)

He could have paid the $28 just for his food and drink an walked away without paying more.

If everyone agrees 15% is at least the right amount add it to the cost of food, provide better wages and get rid of mandatory tipping.


No. Just his food and drink came to $34.93

Then the automatic gratuity (of 18%) was an additional $6.29.

Then there was an blank line for "Additional Gratuity"

Then the "Total" line was blank.

The assumption is that people will just write in $41.22 if they're cheap, more if they think the service was good.

This guy crossed out the $6.29 and then wrote in $34.93 to the total.

Because the total line was otherwise blank, he's not walking out on the bill (since it's an "automatic gratuity" and not an additional "fee" of $6.29).

Because he paid only what the food and drink cost, the over all percentage of tip to the server for the entire party would be less.

He may have just assumed that someone(s) else in the party would end up covering his portion of the tip... but in large parties often times everyone assumes that, and the actual tip ends up being very small.... hence automatic gratuities. When it's just you and your buddy, it's obvious when someone is being cheap and the social stigma of being a douche takes over.
2013-01-30 07:53:38 AM
1 votes:
My sister was a waitress in a diner in a small, bible-belt town and I remember her complaining about getting Chick Tracts in lieu of tips fairly frequently.

My father passed away a couple years ago and I've been going back pretty often lately to help my mother out. When she's gone, I'll never have to go back to that hole again.
2013-01-30 07:50:07 AM
1 votes:
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"You must sacrifice your tip for me! You will be rewarded in heaven!"


/I don't give any money to God, thus leaving me free to tip good wait staff
//What does God need with 10% of my money anyway? He's farking God. He can just magic up some Xfinity and burgers if he wants.
2013-01-30 07:49:11 AM
1 votes:
Stop calling it a gratuity if it is a mandatory charge. Call it a group fee or something like that.

If you want to sit together, we're going to charge you a group fee. If you don't mind sitting at separate tables, then there won't be a group fee.

Pretty simple.
2013-01-30 07:48:53 AM
1 votes:
The pastor tipped 18%, if he didn't want to tip he got screwed over by the automatic gratuity (restaurants please look up gratuity in the dictionary)

He could have paid the $28 just for his food and drink an walked away without paying more.

If everyone agrees 15% is at least the right amount add it to the cost of food, provide better wages and get rid of mandatory tipping.
2013-01-30 07:45:59 AM
1 votes:

philotech: TFA states he ran up a $200 bill with a party of 8 or more... Why is the check for 34.00? I smell shenanigans...


Everyone almost certainly got separate checks (TFA says table of 20).

Just checked the reddit post. The server says they got separate checks thinking they wouldn't get charged the auto-gratuity. Not sure if he's basing that on his opinion or someone complained.
2013-01-30 07:42:58 AM
1 votes:

No Such Agency: maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.


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Here is the receipt.... the guy crossed out the automatic gratuity and only paid the "before tip" amount.

(The "Total" line is blank so someone can add in an "additional" tip.")
2013-01-30 07:35:59 AM
1 votes:
I have sat through actual church sermons where they explain how to budget so you can give 10% (gross, not net) of your salary to the church. That was the SERMON. Not something they mention casually, not a 5 minute talk, but the entire hour of church for that week.

This is why I told my family I was done with that shiat.

//That being said, why would a pastor only tithe 10%? He's the pastor. Shouldn't church officials tithe like 25%?
2013-01-30 07:33:13 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves


Douchebag 23:40-41


I would have gone with 'Doucheronomy".


'cause it sounds like Deuteronomy
2013-01-30 07:26:23 AM
1 votes:
Irony is a pastor accusing a working man of getting paid too much.

Just imagine the influx of cash into the economy if people stopped tipping religion. Religion produces zero value, not even solid emotional value. All those poor people you could feed, clothe, and house and the communities you could help if people volunteer their time each week to their community instead of going to church.
2013-01-30 07:20:17 AM
1 votes:
I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me, except waiters, because fark those guys, right? Verily their salaries ain't my problem, they should get better jobs.
Douchebag 23:40-41
2013-01-30 07:10:16 AM
1 votes:
Bah, had some douche do that to me when i was a bartender... was a sunday afternoon, they came in, dressed in their sunday best, sat at the high top, ordered what amounted to be a typical sunday after church meal plus drinks. Since it was a sunday we didn't have a regular server for the bar area, so we always took care of them ourselves. They ran up a pretty good bill with drinks... don't remember exactly how much, that was like 10 or 12 years ago. When they went to cash out, he picked up the tab for the whole group. Then made a point to tell me "i'd normally tip ya, but we gave our money to god today"... had a hard time biting my tongue that day... will never forget that guy...
2013-01-30 07:05:24 AM
1 votes:

maskedloser: jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.

It was an auto-gratuity: The pastard was eating with a party of 20 and the picture appears to be his portion of that larger bill. If he had a problem with the tip, he should have spoken with the manager instead of stiffing the guy making $5/h. What a farking douchebag.


He probably doesn't even make that much. Most servers are paid $2.13 per hour.
2013-01-30 07:03:57 AM
1 votes:
As a former youth pastor, I'm trying really hard not to make a 'tip' joke.

/I always do 20%
//My first job ever was in food service, so I understand
2013-01-30 07:00:15 AM
1 votes:
When I was a waitress, minimum wage was somewhere around $5.25 and I made $2.15 an hour. My paycheck was a joke.

/csb
//People who don't tip suck.
///I'm pretty sure he's going to hell.
2013-01-30 06:54:56 AM
1 votes:

06Wahoo: One thing that wasn't in that post nor seems to have been questioned yet is the quality of service. I know 20 people is a lot and it can be tough on waiters, but that isn't an excuse for bad service. If this guy got good service, he isn't really in a position to feel too indignant, but if he was treated like crap, why should he have to give a tip? Without more details, I think this is just a bunch of people wanting to find a reason to whine about Christians by looking at one example that we still know very few little about.


The article says the server was told he did a great job and that there were no complaints about the service.
2013-01-30 06:52:44 AM
1 votes:

AnubisMan: Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference


No he didn't. He put the total above the tip, not the 'total amount + tip'. I know some receipts total it for you, but as this system allows for the addition of a higher tip, they don't pretotal it for you.
2013-01-30 06:51:02 AM
1 votes:
I wanna say most of these tip stories are fake, but mah granmomma done said, people are shiate. After much thought and reflection, I eventually agreed.
2013-01-30 06:48:00 AM
1 votes:
The whole custom of tipping aside...

Just have God bring the "Pastor" his food next time.
2013-01-30 06:37:24 AM
1 votes:
You will receive total consciousness. which is nice
2013-01-30 06:36:56 AM
1 votes:
What? They're raping waiters and servers now?
2013-01-30 06:34:15 AM
1 votes:
Seems legit.
 
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