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(The Consumerist)   "Dear waiter, I'm a pastor so you don't get a tip. But hey, you're good with God, so that counts double"   (consumerist.com) divider line 277
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2013-01-30 07:12:33 AM

omnimancer28: AverageAmericanGuy: a receipt for $34.93 with an automatic gratuity of 18%

fark that noise.

It was a table of 20 people. I do not think I have ever seen a place that does NOT enforce automatic gratuity for a party that size.


McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's, etc...
 
2013-01-30 07:13:59 AM

PostApocalypticTribe: When I was a waitress, minimum wage was somewhere around $5.25 and I made $2.15 an hour. My paycheck was a joke.

/csb
//People who don't tip suck.
///I'm pretty sure he's going to hell.


Good news. Normal minimum has gone up since then. Tipped wage is still $2.13. Oh, did I say good news? I meant fark news.
 
2013-01-30 07:15:06 AM

AngryJailhouseFistfark


A little something for the effort. Came for this. Thankee.


Glad to help. *tips hat*
 
2013-01-30 07:18:04 AM

maskedloser: PostApocalypticTribe: When I was a waitress, minimum wage was somewhere around $5.25 and I made $2.15 an hour. My paycheck was a joke.

/csb
//People who don't tip suck.
///I'm pretty sure he's going to hell.

I don't recall the proper name for this scam, but yeah: Some places can get around minimum wage rules by counting tips - whether those tips every appear or not - as part of the employee's income. Frankly, I think that farkery should be illegal.


Not necessarily a "scam"... many states have a separate minimum wage for wait staff.

MA is $2.63

There is a stipulation that the waitstaff must be making the difference up to "regular" minimum wage through their tips.
 
2013-01-30 07:20:17 AM
I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me, except waiters, because fark those guys, right? Verily their salaries ain't my problem, they should get better jobs.
Douchebag 23:40-41
 
2013-01-30 07:20:57 AM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Englebert Slaptyback: But hey, you're good with God, so that counts double


So he's got that going for him... which is nice.


gunga galunga

A little something for the effort. Came for this. Thankee.


Big hitter, the Lama.
 
2013-01-30 07:22:36 AM

maskedloser: 06Wahoo: One thing that wasn't in that post nor seems to have been questioned yet is the quality of service. I know 20 people is a lot and it can be tough on waiters, but that isn't an excuse for bad service. If this guy got good service, he isn't really in a position to feel too indignant, but if he was treated like crap, why should he have to give a tip? Without more details, I think this is just a bunch of people wanting to find a reason to whine about Christians by looking at one example that we still know very few little about.

The article did mention quality of service. Granted, the waiter's version of events might have been a bit self-serving, but then again the biatch-pastor made it clear he objected not to the service but to the tip. Cheap asshole could have pryed $6 out of his wallet or eaten at home.

/ What is with some farkers and not reading the main article?


Most people woild at least tip something, if the service was poor. Usually tipping a vey small amount sends a better message than nothing at all.

Then again, pastors aren't most people. Most of them are assholes.
 
2013-01-30 07:23:59 AM

06Wahoo: One thing that wasn't in that post nor seems to have been questioned yet is the quality of service. I know 20 people is a lot and it can be tough on waiters, but that isn't an excuse for bad service. If this guy got good service, he isn't really in a position to feel too indignant, but if he was treated like crap, why should he have to give a tip? Without more details, I think this is just a bunch of people wanting to find a reason to whine about Christians by looking at one example that we still know very few little about.


If there was a problem with the service why would he hide behind being a pastor as his reason for not tipping? While I do somewhat question this story's legitimacy just due to the frequency of shiatty tipping stories coming out of the woodwork, I am inclined to believe it for two reasons: 1). I've actually heard someone use that exact line about giving god 10% to justify leaving a bad tip and 2). That seems like a very random thing for someone to come up with as a hoax.
 
2013-01-30 07:24:12 AM
Most recent tip I gave came out to 1690%.

/ going to hell
 
2013-01-30 07:24:41 AM
A Religion and Tipping thread.
Ooooooooooooh boy.
9thcivic.com
 
2013-01-30 07:25:39 AM

Shirley Ujest: people: Neondistraction: Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.

Aaaannnd. Holy crap, thats real
Friend received this "tip" from a group of uppity Christians. It was folded in half so it would seem legit. Bill was $105

Someone needs to make the FSM version of this and use it for when they go to weddings and the collection plate goes around.


BRILLIANT!
 
2013-01-30 07:26:23 AM
Irony is a pastor accusing a working man of getting paid too much.

Just imagine the influx of cash into the economy if people stopped tipping religion. Religion produces zero value, not even solid emotional value. All those poor people you could feed, clothe, and house and the communities you could help if people volunteer their time each week to their community instead of going to church.
 
2013-01-30 07:33:13 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves


Douchebag 23:40-41


I would have gone with 'Doucheronomy".


'cause it sounds like Deuteronomy
 
2013-01-30 07:35:59 AM
I have sat through actual church sermons where they explain how to budget so you can give 10% (gross, not net) of your salary to the church. That was the SERMON. Not something they mention casually, not a 5 minute talk, but the entire hour of church for that week.

This is why I told my family I was done with that shiat.

//That being said, why would a pastor only tithe 10%? He's the pastor. Shouldn't church officials tithe like 25%?
 
2013-01-30 07:36:05 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Mr. Coffee Nerves

Douchebag 23:40-41


I would have gone with 'Doucheronomy".


'cause it sounds like Deuteronomy


Dammit, that is better.
 
2013-01-30 07:37:37 AM
He's saving his "tip" for his choirboys.
 
2013-01-30 07:39:02 AM
maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.
 
2013-01-30 07:39:20 AM
Diner Thinks That Saying He's A Pastor Allows Him To Stiff Waiter On Tip

The Consumerist thinks that something posted on Reddit is 100% accurate and deserving of an article.

/I still clicked it.
//Get ready for The Consumerist's follow-up: "What Farkers Think About Out Pastor Not Tipping Article"
 
2013-01-30 07:40:16 AM
TFA states he ran up a $200 bill with a party of 8 or more... Why is the check for 34.00? I smell shenanigans...
 
2013-01-30 07:41:00 AM

AnubisMan: Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference



I agree, TFA makes it pretty clear that the total amount on the receipt included the automatic 18%: "The photo, which began tearing up the Atheism page on Reddit not long after it was posted a few hours ago, shows a receipt for $34.93 with an automatic gratuity of 18% ($6.29) included."

The pastor paid what he should have, he just decided he'd add some snark afterward. Some really bad snark, mind you.
 
2013-01-30 07:42:28 AM

sexorcisst: That is one thing I hate about child molesters. They are such bad tippers.


Yeah.  But, you can always count on them to slow down when driving through school zones.
 
2013-01-30 07:42:58 AM

No Such Agency: maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.


consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com

Here is the receipt.... the guy crossed out the automatic gratuity and only paid the "before tip" amount.

(The "Total" line is blank so someone can add in an "additional" tip.")
 
2013-01-30 07:45:10 AM
Now you know how the waiter at the Last Supper felt. Worst: Christ was taking credit for the bread and wine. That was like two thirds of the meal down at Lenny's Bread, Winery and Haggis (which is where the last supper took place). Hey. Try to find a place on Easter that will seat 13 without a reservation.

Didn't even make it in to the painting either.
 
2013-01-30 07:45:32 AM

nein: AnubisMan: Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference


I agree, TFA makes it pretty clear that the total amount on the receipt included the automatic 18%: "The photo, which began tearing up the Atheism page on Reddit not long after it was posted a few hours ago, shows a receipt for $34.93 with an automatic gratuity of 18% ($6.29) included."

The pastor paid what he should have, he just decided he'd add some snark afterward. Some really bad snark, mind you.


This is exactly why large parties have an automatic gratuity.

When large bills are divided into individual tabs, it becomes increasingly likely that no one will pay a tip, because they all assume the other people will cover their share.
 
2013-01-30 07:45:50 AM
ZackDanger:
Here is the receipt.... the guy crossed out the automatic gratuity and only paid the "before tip" amount.

Oh I saw it... it's just that, how is this any different from just not paying your bill? Isn't it considered theft? Yeah I know, six bucks isn't worth calling the cops on someone, but it's theft.
 
2013-01-30 07:45:55 AM

Zaelath: Ok.. why? Is 5 tables of 4 less work?

Oh and "learn to type".


Yeah, 'cause those diners aren't all going to order at the same time. And I don't have to bring 20 drinks at once. And they won't get up and move around as much. So yes, 5 tables of 4 is less work.
Thanks for asking, would you like dessert?
 
2013-01-30 07:45:59 AM

philotech: TFA states he ran up a $200 bill with a party of 8 or more... Why is the check for 34.00? I smell shenanigans...


Everyone almost certainly got separate checks (TFA says table of 20).

Just checked the reddit post. The server says they got separate checks thinking they wouldn't get charged the auto-gratuity. Not sure if he's basing that on his opinion or someone complained.
 
2013-01-30 07:48:16 AM
verybadfrog.com

Sorry. The waiter did make it in to the painting after all. My bad.
 
2013-01-30 07:48:25 AM

ZackDanger: No Such Agency: maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.

[consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com image 458x277]

Here is the receipt.... the guy crossed out the automatic gratuity and only paid the "before tip" amount.

(The "Total" line is blank so someone can add in an "additional" tip.")


Ah, good catch, I actually missed that in the pic. I really should learn that people don't write very well anymore.
 
2013-01-30 07:48:53 AM
The pastor tipped 18%, if he didn't want to tip he got screwed over by the automatic gratuity (restaurants please look up gratuity in the dictionary)

He could have paid the $28 just for his food and drink an walked away without paying more.

If everyone agrees 15% is at least the right amount add it to the cost of food, provide better wages and get rid of mandatory tipping.
 
2013-01-30 07:49:11 AM
Stop calling it a gratuity if it is a mandatory charge. Call it a group fee or something like that.

If you want to sit together, we're going to charge you a group fee. If you don't mind sitting at separate tables, then there won't be a group fee.

Pretty simple.
 
2013-01-30 07:50:03 AM

06Wahoo: One thing that wasn't in that post nor seems to have been questioned yet is the quality of service. I know 20 people is a lot and it can be tough on waiters, but that isn't an excuse for bad service. If this guy got good service, he isn't really in a position to feel too indignant, but if he was treated like crap, why should he have to give a tip? Without more details, I think this is just a bunch of people wanting to find a reason to whine about Christians by looking at one example that we still know very few little about.


It was covered in the second to last paragraph of the article.
 
2013-01-30 07:50:03 AM

maskedloser: AnubisMan: Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference

Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.


Sounds like God deserves a raise.

/unless, of course, His service is bad.
 
2013-01-30 07:50:07 AM
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"You must sacrifice your tip for me! You will be rewarded in heaven!"


/I don't give any money to God, thus leaving me free to tip good wait staff
//What does God need with 10% of my money anyway? He's farking God. He can just magic up some Xfinity and burgers if he wants.
 
2013-01-30 07:53:38 AM
My sister was a waitress in a diner in a small, bible-belt town and I remember her complaining about getting Chick Tracts in lieu of tips fairly frequently.

My father passed away a couple years ago and I've been going back pretty often lately to help my mother out. When she's gone, I'll never have to go back to that hole again.
 
2013-01-30 07:53:55 AM

ZackDanger: No Such Agency: maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.

[consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com image 458x277]

Here is the receipt.... the guy crossed out the automatic gratuity and only paid the "before tip" amount.

(The "Total" line is blank so someone can add in an "additional" tip.")



Actually, now that I've thought about it some more, I think the $34+ did include the auto-gratuity. I think restaurants normally do the addition for you b/c, let's face it, a lot of people are terrible at simple arithmetic. The pic's being cropped is confusing, but now I do think that the server got his gratuity.
 
2013-01-30 07:54:21 AM
damn all these tip stories make me want to get a job at a restaurant and start working for tips. cause that's obviously where the big money's at.
 
2013-01-30 07:57:54 AM

Faddy: The pastor tipped 18%, if he didn't want to tip he got screwed over by the automatic gratuity (restaurants please look up gratuity in the dictionary)

He could have paid the $28 just for his food and drink an walked away without paying more.

If everyone agrees 15% is at least the right amount add it to the cost of food, provide better wages and get rid of mandatory tipping.


No. Just his food and drink came to $34.93

Then the automatic gratuity (of 18%) was an additional $6.29.

Then there was an blank line for "Additional Gratuity"

Then the "Total" line was blank.

The assumption is that people will just write in $41.22 if they're cheap, more if they think the service was good.

This guy crossed out the $6.29 and then wrote in $34.93 to the total.

Because the total line was otherwise blank, he's not walking out on the bill (since it's an "automatic gratuity" and not an additional "fee" of $6.29).

Because he paid only what the food and drink cost, the over all percentage of tip to the server for the entire party would be less.

He may have just assumed that someone(s) else in the party would end up covering his portion of the tip... but in large parties often times everyone assumes that, and the actual tip ends up being very small.... hence automatic gratuities. When it's just you and your buddy, it's obvious when someone is being cheap and the social stigma of being a douche takes over.
 
2013-01-30 07:57:55 AM

nein: The pic's being cropped is confusing, but now I do think that the server got his gratuity.


Then what is the server whining about?
 
2013-01-30 08:02:14 AM

nein: ZackDanger: No Such Agency: maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.

[consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com image 458x277]

Here is the receipt.... the guy crossed out the automatic gratuity and only paid the "before tip" amount.

(The "Total" line is blank so someone can add in an "additional" tip.")


Actually, now that I've thought about it some more, I think the $34+ did include the auto-gratuity. I think restaurants normally do the addition for you b/c, let's face it, a lot of people are terrible at simple arithmetic. The pic's being cropped is confusing, but now I do think that the server got his gratuity.


Perhaps.... but I think how the article implies is the truth.

The "Amount" refers to the cost of the food/drinks.

The "Total" would refer to the total amount charged, including charge for food *plus* "Tip."

It is possible that what you're suggesting is true, but it would go against all other receipt design convention.
 
2013-01-30 08:03:06 AM
Every time I hear about religious dickbags who don't tip, I think 'I wonder if they realize they're just like those very overly self-righteous hypocritical Pharisees that Jesus railed against'.
 
2013-01-30 08:05:25 AM
::sigh:::

Thisthreadagain.jpg

Tipping is a scam.

It's a scam on the employees: It allows the (for example) restaurant owner to offload personnel problems onto the customers ("I don't have to discipline the bad waiters, the customers will just not tip them"). It allows him to pay shiat wages to his staff (*ching* more money in his pocket!). And it allows him to offer lower prices because he has virtually no payroll expense (lower prices= more customers = more work for the waitstaff, but *ching* more money in the owners pocket). It's also disadvantageous for the waiter, because eh can never tell how much he'll be earning- a good week might be $400, a bad week might be $100. How do you plan for expenses??

It's a scam on the customer: Customers see a good price for food, only to pay 10%, 15%, 20% more at the end.

And it's extortion, plain and simple; pay me, or I'll mess with your food.

The solution is obvious- pay waiters (and other tipped positions) a FAIR wage, and do away with tipping.
 
2013-01-30 08:06:04 AM

Neondistraction: Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.


I we found the problem. She just needed to accept Jesus and then she wouldn't need any "tip".

(I need some of that fake money for strip clubs)
 
2013-01-30 08:07:01 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: But hey, you're good with God, so that counts double


So he's got that going for him... which is nice.


gunga galunga


Yes?
 
2013-01-30 08:07:26 AM
If I were this waiter, I would go to FexEx/Kinkos and have a 3'x4' poster printed of this check alongside a brief explanation of what happened...perhaps a few hundred fliers too...and stand outside this guy's church this coming Sunday wearing said poster and passing out the fliers.
 
2013-01-30 08:08:27 AM
"Pastard" is my new favorite word.
 
2013-01-30 08:08:48 AM

philotech: TFA states he ran up a $200 bill with a party of 8 or more... Why is the check for 34.00? I smell shenanigans...


No - what you smell is the pastor asking for a separate bill so he needn't spend any of his "hard-earned" money accidentally paying for a crumb of food eaten by one of the other 19 people at table.

As for all the religion-bashing - I've seen people walk the walk. My own view: Hate the player, not the game.
 
2013-01-30 08:10:08 AM
I absolutely can not get my brain around these notes. First, the "givers" of these do not tip. Secondly, they leave a condescending "message" for the waiter. And then, just to really rub it in, they put the message on a fake bill, just to maximize the disappointment in the receiver. It's almost as they are trying make people hate Christians... wait a minute...
 
2013-01-30 08:10:39 AM
"I give God 10% why do you get 18"

Because the waitstaff is real, and performed a tangible service?
 
2013-01-30 08:12:45 AM
If a tip is optional, then there isn't a theft.

If it's a fee, call it that and then it's theft.

Not sure this really happened but :: shrug :: wouldn't surprise me either.
 
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