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(The Consumerist)   "Dear waiter, I'm a pastor so you don't get a tip. But hey, you're good with God, so that counts double"   (consumerist.com) divider line 277
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2013-01-30 06:31:18 AM  
I think most of these tip stories are fake.
 
2013-01-30 06:34:15 AM  
Seems legit.
 
2013-01-30 06:35:18 AM  
Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.
 
2013-01-30 06:35:59 AM  

But hey, you're good with God, so that counts double


So he's got that going for him... which is nice.


gunga galunga
 
2013-01-30 06:36:52 AM  
a receipt for $34.93 with an automatic gratuity of 18%

fark that noise.
 
2013-01-30 06:36:56 AM  
What? They're raping waiters and servers now?
 
2013-01-30 06:37:02 AM  
Dear Pastor,
Why didn't your god tell you that me and two busboys jerked it into your boulebais?
 
2013-01-30 06:37:24 AM  
You will receive total consciousness. which is nice
 
2013-01-30 06:37:30 AM  
Some of those religious types are the most tight-fisted assholes you'd ever "care" to meet - so yeah, I can see something like this happening. All kinds of people seem to think it's okay to pull bullshiat on waitstaff.

If this pastor has a name and a church address, I'll happily send him a few religious tips of my own.
 
2013-01-30 06:37:50 AM  
content6.flixster.com

So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
 
2013-01-30 06:38:53 AM  
Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.
 
2013-01-30 06:39:40 AM  
The more conservative the church, the less likely they tip. That's always been the rule in the South.
 
2013-01-30 06:40:10 AM  

Neondistraction: Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.


Aaaannnd. Holy crap, thats real
Friend received this "tip" from a group of uppity Christians. It was folded in half so it would seem legit. Bill was $105
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-30 06:40:18 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: a receipt for $34.93 with an automatic gratuity of 18%

fark that noise.


It was a table of 20 people. I do not think I have ever seen a place that does NOT enforce automatic gratuity for a party that size.
 
2013-01-30 06:40:57 AM  
That is one thing I hate about child molesters. They are such bad tippers.
 
2013-01-30 06:43:40 AM  
Ok.. why? Is 5 tables of 4 less work?

Oh and "learn to type".
 
2013-01-30 06:43:53 AM  

jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.


You'd do better to read the article rather than just look at the pictures.
 
2013-01-30 06:44:26 AM  

people: Neondistraction: Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.

Aaaannnd. Holy crap, thats real
Friend received this "tip" from a group of uppity Christians. It was folded in half so it would seem legit. Bill was $105


Someone needs to make the FSM version of this and use it for when they go to weddings and the collection plate goes around.
 
2013-01-30 06:44:32 AM  
Thanks pastor but a wallet-full of jesus ain't gonna pay the bills. That's about as effective as praying for ... well, anything.
 
2013-01-30 06:44:38 AM  
St. Peter: Let's see...it appears you're a non-tipper. Go to Hell!
 
2013-01-30 06:44:50 AM  
I don't pay my rent on prayers, asshole
 
2013-01-30 06:46:42 AM  

jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.


It was an auto-gratuity: The pastard was eating with a party of 20 and the picture appears to be his portion of that larger bill. If he had a problem with the tip, he should have spoken with the manager instead of stiffing the guy making $5/h. What a farking douchebag.
 
2013-01-30 06:48:00 AM  
The whole custom of tipping aside...

Just have God bring the "Pastor" his food next time.
 
2013-01-30 06:49:18 AM  

Shirley Ujest: people: Neondistraction: Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.

Aaaannnd. Holy crap, thats real
Friend received this "tip" from a group of uppity Christians. It was folded in half so it would seem legit. Bill was $105

Someone needs to make the FSM version of this and use it for when they go to weddings and the collection plate goes around.


That's a good idea. That's the sort of thing I would do to fill downtime back when I still worked at Kinkos. I guess I still could, I just lack the printing capabilities.
 
2013-01-30 06:49:43 AM  
Double Minutes when you call Jesus? Is that a new Tracfone option?
 
2013-01-30 06:50:10 AM  
Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference
 
2013-01-30 06:50:46 AM  

Zaelath: Ok.. why? Is 5 tables of 4 less work?

Oh and "learn to type".


Yes. Coordinating and serving simultaneous meals, drinks and the fact that the turnover of that one table is going to be tied to how long that one table decides to be there (rather than the five tables eating at different paces and turning over quicker), which is usually a lot longer, all takes more work and means less revenue overall and completely ties up the server's time until they are done.
 
2013-01-30 06:51:02 AM  
I wanna say most of these tip stories are fake, but mah granmomma done said, people are shiate. After much thought and reflection, I eventually agreed.
 
2013-01-30 06:52:44 AM  

AnubisMan: Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference


No he didn't. He put the total above the tip, not the 'total amount + tip'. I know some receipts total it for you, but as this system allows for the addition of a higher tip, they don't pretotal it for you.
 
2013-01-30 06:53:02 AM  
One thing that wasn't in that post nor seems to have been questioned yet is the quality of service. I know 20 people is a lot and it can be tough on waiters, but that isn't an excuse for bad service. If this guy got good service, he isn't really in a position to feel too indignant, but if he was treated like crap, why should he have to give a tip? Without more details, I think this is just a bunch of people wanting to find a reason to whine about Christians by looking at one example that we still know very few little about.
 
2013-01-30 06:53:10 AM  

AnubisMan: Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference


Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.
 
2013-01-30 06:53:56 AM  
i108.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-30 06:54:22 AM  
Give unto Little Caesar's what belongs to Little Caesar's.
 
2013-01-30 06:54:56 AM  

06Wahoo: One thing that wasn't in that post nor seems to have been questioned yet is the quality of service. I know 20 people is a lot and it can be tough on waiters, but that isn't an excuse for bad service. If this guy got good service, he isn't really in a position to feel too indignant, but if he was treated like crap, why should he have to give a tip? Without more details, I think this is just a bunch of people wanting to find a reason to whine about Christians by looking at one example that we still know very few little about.


The article says the server was told he did a great job and that there were no complaints about the service.
 
2013-01-30 06:56:14 AM  
There is no excuse for being a cheap bastard. Hiding behind being a Pastor is as legitimate as saying i'm a pro ball player or a factory worker - it's all bullshiat. If you're trying to pull the "I'm a humble man of god without much cash in my pocket" then you shouldn't be dining out, dooshbag. I hate cheap people. Cheap clergy people, doubly so.

and who the fark thought that fake money would open someones heart to their god? WTF is wrong with people. some days i want to see it all burn, right to the ground.
 
2013-01-30 06:57:04 AM  

06Wahoo: One thing that wasn't in that post nor seems to have been questioned yet is the quality of service. I know 20 people is a lot and it can be tough on waiters, but that isn't an excuse for bad service. If this guy got good service, he isn't really in a position to feel too indignant, but if he was treated like crap, why should he have to give a tip? Without more details, I think this is just a bunch of people wanting to find a reason to whine about Christians by looking at one example that we still know very few little about.


The article did mention quality of service. Granted, the waiter's version of events might have been a bit self-serving, but then again the biatch-pastor made it clear he objected not to the service but to the tip. Cheap asshole could have pryed $6 out of his wallet or eaten at home.

/ What is with some farkers and not reading the main article?
 
2013-01-30 06:58:21 AM  

maskedloser: jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.

It was an auto-gratuity: The pastard was eating with a party of 20 and the picture appears to be his portion of that larger bill. If he had a problem with the tip, he should have spoken with the manager instead of stiffing the guy making $5/h. What a farking douchebag.


Well shiat, there it is in the article. I really should lock my computer from being able to access Fark before 6am.
 
2013-01-30 06:59:29 AM  

jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.


This doesn't seem all that bad. I always leave 20% for the servers who work their ass off and get 2.50 an hour to do something I'm clearly too tired/lazy/hungry to do for myself. And you kind of sign up for that shiat when it lists it on the menu and you decide to stay anyways.
 
2013-01-30 07:00:15 AM  
When I was a waitress, minimum wage was somewhere around $5.25 and I made $2.15 an hour. My paycheck was a joke.

/csb
//People who don't tip suck.
///I'm pretty sure he's going to hell.
 
2013-01-30 07:03:57 AM  
As a former youth pastor, I'm trying really hard not to make a 'tip' joke.

/I always do 20%
//My first job ever was in food service, so I understand
 
2013-01-30 07:04:08 AM  

PostApocalypticTribe: When I was a waitress, minimum wage was somewhere around $5.25 and I made $2.15 an hour. My paycheck was a joke.

/csb
//People who don't tip suck.
///I'm pretty sure he's going to hell.


I don't recall the proper name for this scam, but yeah: Some places can get around minimum wage rules by counting tips - whether those tips every appear or not - as part of the employee's income. Frankly, I think that farkery should be illegal.
 
2013-01-30 07:04:11 AM  
My dad is a christian - informs everything he does. I have seen him leave tracts and things like that for a waiter but always in addition to a tip, because he knows that Jesus is great but people need money now.
 
2013-01-30 07:05:24 AM  

maskedloser: jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.

It was an auto-gratuity: The pastard was eating with a party of 20 and the picture appears to be his portion of that larger bill. If he had a problem with the tip, he should have spoken with the manager instead of stiffing the guy making $5/h. What a farking douchebag.


He probably doesn't even make that much. Most servers are paid $2.13 per hour.
 
2013-01-30 07:05:58 AM  
This guy is a dick and yes, I believe it is real.
Worst tippers - middle aged church ladies.
 
2013-01-30 07:06:39 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: But hey, you're good with God, so that counts double


So he's got that going for him... which is nice.


gunga galunga


A little something for the effort. Came for this. Thankee.
 
2013-01-30 07:06:51 AM  
That's why my spouse and I have Jilario (or whatever his name is) come and do our meals. He shows up prepared, cooks, and we pay him $20/person/meal. He cleans up and leaves. Everybody is happy.

Screw that ankle-biting bullshiat from you trogs.
 
2013-01-30 07:07:30 AM  
Most stories from the Consumerist are nothing but bullshiat, but extremely religious types do tend to be some of the worst tippers on the planet (See: That utterly retarded "Here's a tip - oh no, wait, it's just more unwanted proselytising, because adding insult to injury is just hi-larious" false bill), so at least this one has some basis in reality. Hell, it might even be true.
 
2013-01-30 07:07:32 AM  

maskedloser: PostApocalypticTribe: When I was a waitress, minimum wage was somewhere around $5.25 and I made $2.15 an hour. My paycheck was a joke.

/csb
//People who don't tip suck.
///I'm pretty sure he's going to hell.

I don't recall the proper name for this scam, but yeah: Some places can get around minimum wage rules by counting tips - whether those tips every appear or not - as part of the employee's income. Frankly, I think that farkery should be illegal.


Plus, a lot of times, the servers have to share with the host and busboy. I've met hostesses who make literally 2.05 an hour. They pay more GETTING to work than what they get paid actually working!
 
2013-01-30 07:10:16 AM  
Bah, had some douche do that to me when i was a bartender... was a sunday afternoon, they came in, dressed in their sunday best, sat at the high top, ordered what amounted to be a typical sunday after church meal plus drinks. Since it was a sunday we didn't have a regular server for the bar area, so we always took care of them ourselves. They ran up a pretty good bill with drinks... don't remember exactly how much, that was like 10 or 12 years ago. When they went to cash out, he picked up the tab for the whole group. Then made a point to tell me "i'd normally tip ya, but we gave our money to god today"... had a hard time biting my tongue that day... will never forget that guy...
 
2013-01-30 07:11:19 AM  

Neondistraction: maskedloser: jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.

It was an auto-gratuity: The pastard was eating with a party of 20 and the picture appears to be his portion of that larger bill. If he had a problem with the tip, he should have spoken with the manager instead of stiffing the guy making $5/h. What a farking douchebag.

He probably doesn't even make that much. Most servers are paid $2.13 per hour.


I live in Canada, so our minimum wage rules are a bit stricter. Not strict enough, mind you, but stricter. There is an absolute bottom to what an establishment can pay its employees. Minimum wage in this province is $8.90, but one can still find waiters making bottom end wages through a loophole that counts their tips as income.

The fact US/State laws still allow what amounts to slave labor, in service to business' interests, is shameful enough. For a supposed religious man to do it...well, that's beyond the pale. I actually do hope his name hits the net.
 
2013-01-30 07:12:33 AM  

omnimancer28: AverageAmericanGuy: a receipt for $34.93 with an automatic gratuity of 18%

fark that noise.

It was a table of 20 people. I do not think I have ever seen a place that does NOT enforce automatic gratuity for a party that size.


McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy's, etc...
 
2013-01-30 07:13:59 AM  

PostApocalypticTribe: When I was a waitress, minimum wage was somewhere around $5.25 and I made $2.15 an hour. My paycheck was a joke.

/csb
//People who don't tip suck.
///I'm pretty sure he's going to hell.


Good news. Normal minimum has gone up since then. Tipped wage is still $2.13. Oh, did I say good news? I meant fark news.
 
2013-01-30 07:15:06 AM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark


A little something for the effort. Came for this. Thankee.


Glad to help. *tips hat*
 
2013-01-30 07:18:04 AM  

maskedloser: PostApocalypticTribe: When I was a waitress, minimum wage was somewhere around $5.25 and I made $2.15 an hour. My paycheck was a joke.

/csb
//People who don't tip suck.
///I'm pretty sure he's going to hell.

I don't recall the proper name for this scam, but yeah: Some places can get around minimum wage rules by counting tips - whether those tips every appear or not - as part of the employee's income. Frankly, I think that farkery should be illegal.


Not necessarily a "scam"... many states have a separate minimum wage for wait staff.

MA is $2.63

There is a stipulation that the waitstaff must be making the difference up to "regular" minimum wage through their tips.
 
2013-01-30 07:20:17 AM  
I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me, except waiters, because fark those guys, right? Verily their salaries ain't my problem, they should get better jobs.
Douchebag 23:40-41
 
2013-01-30 07:20:57 AM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Englebert Slaptyback: But hey, you're good with God, so that counts double


So he's got that going for him... which is nice.


gunga galunga

A little something for the effort. Came for this. Thankee.


Big hitter, the Lama.
 
2013-01-30 07:22:36 AM  

maskedloser: 06Wahoo: One thing that wasn't in that post nor seems to have been questioned yet is the quality of service. I know 20 people is a lot and it can be tough on waiters, but that isn't an excuse for bad service. If this guy got good service, he isn't really in a position to feel too indignant, but if he was treated like crap, why should he have to give a tip? Without more details, I think this is just a bunch of people wanting to find a reason to whine about Christians by looking at one example that we still know very few little about.

The article did mention quality of service. Granted, the waiter's version of events might have been a bit self-serving, but then again the biatch-pastor made it clear he objected not to the service but to the tip. Cheap asshole could have pryed $6 out of his wallet or eaten at home.

/ What is with some farkers and not reading the main article?


Most people woild at least tip something, if the service was poor. Usually tipping a vey small amount sends a better message than nothing at all.

Then again, pastors aren't most people. Most of them are assholes.
 
2013-01-30 07:23:59 AM  

06Wahoo: One thing that wasn't in that post nor seems to have been questioned yet is the quality of service. I know 20 people is a lot and it can be tough on waiters, but that isn't an excuse for bad service. If this guy got good service, he isn't really in a position to feel too indignant, but if he was treated like crap, why should he have to give a tip? Without more details, I think this is just a bunch of people wanting to find a reason to whine about Christians by looking at one example that we still know very few little about.


If there was a problem with the service why would he hide behind being a pastor as his reason for not tipping? While I do somewhat question this story's legitimacy just due to the frequency of shiatty tipping stories coming out of the woodwork, I am inclined to believe it for two reasons: 1). I've actually heard someone use that exact line about giving god 10% to justify leaving a bad tip and 2). That seems like a very random thing for someone to come up with as a hoax.
 
2013-01-30 07:24:12 AM  
Most recent tip I gave came out to 1690%.

/ going to hell
 
2013-01-30 07:24:41 AM  
A Religion and Tipping thread.
Ooooooooooooh boy.
9thcivic.com
 
2013-01-30 07:25:39 AM  

Shirley Ujest: people: Neondistraction: Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.

Aaaannnd. Holy crap, thats real
Friend received this "tip" from a group of uppity Christians. It was folded in half so it would seem legit. Bill was $105

Someone needs to make the FSM version of this and use it for when they go to weddings and the collection plate goes around.


BRILLIANT!
 
2013-01-30 07:26:23 AM  
Irony is a pastor accusing a working man of getting paid too much.

Just imagine the influx of cash into the economy if people stopped tipping religion. Religion produces zero value, not even solid emotional value. All those poor people you could feed, clothe, and house and the communities you could help if people volunteer their time each week to their community instead of going to church.
 
2013-01-30 07:33:13 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves


Douchebag 23:40-41


I would have gone with 'Doucheronomy".


'cause it sounds like Deuteronomy
 
2013-01-30 07:35:59 AM  
I have sat through actual church sermons where they explain how to budget so you can give 10% (gross, not net) of your salary to the church. That was the SERMON. Not something they mention casually, not a 5 minute talk, but the entire hour of church for that week.

This is why I told my family I was done with that shiat.

//That being said, why would a pastor only tithe 10%? He's the pastor. Shouldn't church officials tithe like 25%?
 
2013-01-30 07:36:05 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Mr. Coffee Nerves

Douchebag 23:40-41


I would have gone with 'Doucheronomy".


'cause it sounds like Deuteronomy


Dammit, that is better.
 
2013-01-30 07:37:37 AM  
He's saving his "tip" for his choirboys.
 
2013-01-30 07:39:02 AM  
maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.
 
2013-01-30 07:39:20 AM  
Diner Thinks That Saying He's A Pastor Allows Him To Stiff Waiter On Tip

The Consumerist thinks that something posted on Reddit is 100% accurate and deserving of an article.

/I still clicked it.
//Get ready for The Consumerist's follow-up: "What Farkers Think About Out Pastor Not Tipping Article"
 
2013-01-30 07:40:16 AM  
TFA states he ran up a $200 bill with a party of 8 or more... Why is the check for 34.00? I smell shenanigans...
 
2013-01-30 07:41:00 AM  

AnubisMan: Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference



I agree, TFA makes it pretty clear that the total amount on the receipt included the automatic 18%: "The photo, which began tearing up the Atheism page on Reddit not long after it was posted a few hours ago, shows a receipt for $34.93 with an automatic gratuity of 18% ($6.29) included."

The pastor paid what he should have, he just decided he'd add some snark afterward. Some really bad snark, mind you.
 
2013-01-30 07:42:28 AM  

sexorcisst: That is one thing I hate about child molesters. They are such bad tippers.


Yeah.  But, you can always count on them to slow down when driving through school zones.
 
2013-01-30 07:42:58 AM  

No Such Agency: maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.


consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com

Here is the receipt.... the guy crossed out the automatic gratuity and only paid the "before tip" amount.

(The "Total" line is blank so someone can add in an "additional" tip.")
 
2013-01-30 07:45:10 AM  
Now you know how the waiter at the Last Supper felt. Worst: Christ was taking credit for the bread and wine. That was like two thirds of the meal down at Lenny's Bread, Winery and Haggis (which is where the last supper took place). Hey. Try to find a place on Easter that will seat 13 without a reservation.

Didn't even make it in to the painting either.
 
2013-01-30 07:45:32 AM  

nein: AnubisMan: Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference


I agree, TFA makes it pretty clear that the total amount on the receipt included the automatic 18%: "The photo, which began tearing up the Atheism page on Reddit not long after it was posted a few hours ago, shows a receipt for $34.93 with an automatic gratuity of 18% ($6.29) included."

The pastor paid what he should have, he just decided he'd add some snark afterward. Some really bad snark, mind you.


This is exactly why large parties have an automatic gratuity.

When large bills are divided into individual tabs, it becomes increasingly likely that no one will pay a tip, because they all assume the other people will cover their share.
 
2013-01-30 07:45:50 AM  
ZackDanger:
Here is the receipt.... the guy crossed out the automatic gratuity and only paid the "before tip" amount.

Oh I saw it... it's just that, how is this any different from just not paying your bill? Isn't it considered theft? Yeah I know, six bucks isn't worth calling the cops on someone, but it's theft.
 
2013-01-30 07:45:55 AM  

Zaelath: Ok.. why? Is 5 tables of 4 less work?

Oh and "learn to type".


Yeah, 'cause those diners aren't all going to order at the same time. And I don't have to bring 20 drinks at once. And they won't get up and move around as much. So yes, 5 tables of 4 is less work.
Thanks for asking, would you like dessert?
 
2013-01-30 07:45:59 AM  

philotech: TFA states he ran up a $200 bill with a party of 8 or more... Why is the check for 34.00? I smell shenanigans...


Everyone almost certainly got separate checks (TFA says table of 20).

Just checked the reddit post. The server says they got separate checks thinking they wouldn't get charged the auto-gratuity. Not sure if he's basing that on his opinion or someone complained.
 
2013-01-30 07:48:16 AM  
verybadfrog.com

Sorry. The waiter did make it in to the painting after all. My bad.
 
2013-01-30 07:48:25 AM  

ZackDanger: No Such Agency: maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.

[consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com image 458x277]

Here is the receipt.... the guy crossed out the automatic gratuity and only paid the "before tip" amount.

(The "Total" line is blank so someone can add in an "additional" tip.")


Ah, good catch, I actually missed that in the pic. I really should learn that people don't write very well anymore.
 
2013-01-30 07:48:53 AM  
The pastor tipped 18%, if he didn't want to tip he got screwed over by the automatic gratuity (restaurants please look up gratuity in the dictionary)

He could have paid the $28 just for his food and drink an walked away without paying more.

If everyone agrees 15% is at least the right amount add it to the cost of food, provide better wages and get rid of mandatory tipping.
 
2013-01-30 07:49:11 AM  
Stop calling it a gratuity if it is a mandatory charge. Call it a group fee or something like that.

If you want to sit together, we're going to charge you a group fee. If you don't mind sitting at separate tables, then there won't be a group fee.

Pretty simple.
 
2013-01-30 07:50:03 AM  

06Wahoo: One thing that wasn't in that post nor seems to have been questioned yet is the quality of service. I know 20 people is a lot and it can be tough on waiters, but that isn't an excuse for bad service. If this guy got good service, he isn't really in a position to feel too indignant, but if he was treated like crap, why should he have to give a tip? Without more details, I think this is just a bunch of people wanting to find a reason to whine about Christians by looking at one example that we still know very few little about.


It was covered in the second to last paragraph of the article.
 
2013-01-30 07:50:03 AM  

maskedloser: AnubisMan: Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference

Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.


Sounds like God deserves a raise.

/unless, of course, His service is bad.
 
2013-01-30 07:50:07 AM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
"You must sacrifice your tip for me! You will be rewarded in heaven!"


/I don't give any money to God, thus leaving me free to tip good wait staff
//What does God need with 10% of my money anyway? He's farking God. He can just magic up some Xfinity and burgers if he wants.
 
2013-01-30 07:53:38 AM  
My sister was a waitress in a diner in a small, bible-belt town and I remember her complaining about getting Chick Tracts in lieu of tips fairly frequently.

My father passed away a couple years ago and I've been going back pretty often lately to help my mother out. When she's gone, I'll never have to go back to that hole again.
 
2013-01-30 07:53:55 AM  

ZackDanger: No Such Agency: maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.

[consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com image 458x277]

Here is the receipt.... the guy crossed out the automatic gratuity and only paid the "before tip" amount.

(The "Total" line is blank so someone can add in an "additional" tip.")



Actually, now that I've thought about it some more, I think the $34+ did include the auto-gratuity. I think restaurants normally do the addition for you b/c, let's face it, a lot of people are terrible at simple arithmetic. The pic's being cropped is confusing, but now I do think that the server got his gratuity.
 
2013-01-30 07:54:21 AM  
damn all these tip stories make me want to get a job at a restaurant and start working for tips. cause that's obviously where the big money's at.
 
2013-01-30 07:57:54 AM  

Faddy: The pastor tipped 18%, if he didn't want to tip he got screwed over by the automatic gratuity (restaurants please look up gratuity in the dictionary)

He could have paid the $28 just for his food and drink an walked away without paying more.

If everyone agrees 15% is at least the right amount add it to the cost of food, provide better wages and get rid of mandatory tipping.


No. Just his food and drink came to $34.93

Then the automatic gratuity (of 18%) was an additional $6.29.

Then there was an blank line for "Additional Gratuity"

Then the "Total" line was blank.

The assumption is that people will just write in $41.22 if they're cheap, more if they think the service was good.

This guy crossed out the $6.29 and then wrote in $34.93 to the total.

Because the total line was otherwise blank, he's not walking out on the bill (since it's an "automatic gratuity" and not an additional "fee" of $6.29).

Because he paid only what the food and drink cost, the over all percentage of tip to the server for the entire party would be less.

He may have just assumed that someone(s) else in the party would end up covering his portion of the tip... but in large parties often times everyone assumes that, and the actual tip ends up being very small.... hence automatic gratuities. When it's just you and your buddy, it's obvious when someone is being cheap and the social stigma of being a douche takes over.
 
2013-01-30 07:57:55 AM  

nein: The pic's being cropped is confusing, but now I do think that the server got his gratuity.


Then what is the server whining about?
 
2013-01-30 08:02:14 AM  

nein: ZackDanger: No Such Agency: maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.

[consumermediallc.files.wordpress.com image 458x277]

Here is the receipt.... the guy crossed out the automatic gratuity and only paid the "before tip" amount.

(The "Total" line is blank so someone can add in an "additional" tip.")


Actually, now that I've thought about it some more, I think the $34+ did include the auto-gratuity. I think restaurants normally do the addition for you b/c, let's face it, a lot of people are terrible at simple arithmetic. The pic's being cropped is confusing, but now I do think that the server got his gratuity.


Perhaps.... but I think how the article implies is the truth.

The "Amount" refers to the cost of the food/drinks.

The "Total" would refer to the total amount charged, including charge for food *plus* "Tip."

It is possible that what you're suggesting is true, but it would go against all other receipt design convention.
 
2013-01-30 08:03:06 AM  
Every time I hear about religious dickbags who don't tip, I think 'I wonder if they realize they're just like those very overly self-righteous hypocritical Pharisees that Jesus railed against'.
 
2013-01-30 08:05:25 AM  
::sigh:::

Thisthreadagain.jpg

Tipping is a scam.

It's a scam on the employees: It allows the (for example) restaurant owner to offload personnel problems onto the customers ("I don't have to discipline the bad waiters, the customers will just not tip them"). It allows him to pay shiat wages to his staff (*ching* more money in his pocket!). And it allows him to offer lower prices because he has virtually no payroll expense (lower prices= more customers = more work for the waitstaff, but *ching* more money in the owners pocket). It's also disadvantageous for the waiter, because eh can never tell how much he'll be earning- a good week might be $400, a bad week might be $100. How do you plan for expenses??

It's a scam on the customer: Customers see a good price for food, only to pay 10%, 15%, 20% more at the end.

And it's extortion, plain and simple; pay me, or I'll mess with your food.

The solution is obvious- pay waiters (and other tipped positions) a FAIR wage, and do away with tipping.
 
2013-01-30 08:06:04 AM  

Neondistraction: Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.


I we found the problem. She just needed to accept Jesus and then she wouldn't need any "tip".

(I need some of that fake money for strip clubs)
 
2013-01-30 08:07:01 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: But hey, you're good with God, so that counts double


So he's got that going for him... which is nice.


gunga galunga


Yes?
 
2013-01-30 08:07:26 AM  
If I were this waiter, I would go to FexEx/Kinkos and have a 3'x4' poster printed of this check alongside a brief explanation of what happened...perhaps a few hundred fliers too...and stand outside this guy's church this coming Sunday wearing said poster and passing out the fliers.
 
2013-01-30 08:08:27 AM  
"Pastard" is my new favorite word.
 
2013-01-30 08:08:48 AM  

philotech: TFA states he ran up a $200 bill with a party of 8 or more... Why is the check for 34.00? I smell shenanigans...


No - what you smell is the pastor asking for a separate bill so he needn't spend any of his "hard-earned" money accidentally paying for a crumb of food eaten by one of the other 19 people at table.

As for all the religion-bashing - I've seen people walk the walk. My own view: Hate the player, not the game.
 
2013-01-30 08:10:08 AM  
I absolutely can not get my brain around these notes. First, the "givers" of these do not tip. Secondly, they leave a condescending "message" for the waiter. And then, just to really rub it in, they put the message on a fake bill, just to maximize the disappointment in the receiver. It's almost as they are trying make people hate Christians... wait a minute...
 
2013-01-30 08:10:39 AM  
"I give God 10% why do you get 18"

Because the waitstaff is real, and performed a tangible service?
 
2013-01-30 08:12:45 AM  
If a tip is optional, then there isn't a theft.

If it's a fee, call it that and then it's theft.

Not sure this really happened but :: shrug :: wouldn't surprise me either.
 
2013-01-30 08:13:16 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Stop calling it a gratuity if it is a mandatory charge. Call it a group fee or something like that.

If you want to sit together, we're going to charge you a group fee. If you don't mind sitting at separate tables, then there won't be a group fee.

Pretty simple.


Every time my wife and I go and we get sat next to a party, i immediately ask to be seated in another section, and if they won't then we leave.

Big party tables tend to be loud and obnoxious, and they keep the servers so busy the people near the party end up getting little or no service at all...
 
2013-01-30 08:13:24 AM  

stuhayes2010: I think most of these tip stories are fake.


This
 
2013-01-30 08:15:25 AM  

dragonchild: Most recent tip I gave came out to 1690%.

/ going to hell


I used to tip based on the waitress' looks. My gf at the time would get pissed when it was over 15%.
 
2013-01-30 08:15:54 AM  

Shirley Ujest: people: Neondistraction: Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.

Aaaannnd. Holy crap, thats real
Friend received this "tip" from a group of uppity Christians. It was folded in half so it would seem legit. Bill was $105

Someone needs to make the FSM version of this and use it for when they go to weddings and the collection plate goes around.


I'm rather jealous I didn't think of that first. I'd do that.
 
2013-01-30 08:16:41 AM  

gunga galunga


Yes?


Ah, there you are. Just taking attendance. Please carry on.

*ducks out through side door*
 
2013-01-30 08:18:24 AM  

No Such Agency: maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.


Take another look at the bill. He skipped out on the gratuity. He paid only for what he consumed.
 
2013-01-30 08:19:41 AM  
FTFA: We understand why someone might be upset about an automatic gratuity. But we can't recall any religious texts that claim the best way to combat an unpleasant situation is to leave a passive-aggressive note while simultaneously penalizing someone who did not create the problem.

Anyone else find this passage amusing, coming from The Consumerist?
 
2013-01-30 08:19:46 AM  
If you're too cheap to leave a tip, then don't bother going out to eat. Funny how a lot of these assholes gladly drop $300 for dinner and $200 on a bottle of wine, but can't "afford" to leave at least a 10% tip. I always leave a 20% when I go out, unless the waiter had a nasty attitude or stood around texting on an iPhone instead of taking my order.

There should be a level of Hell reserved for people who leave those stupid religious tracts in lieu of a tip.
 
2013-01-30 08:22:32 AM  

maskedloser: philotech: TFA states he ran up a $200 bill with a party of 8 or more... Why is the check for 34.00? I smell shenanigans...

No - what you smell is the pastor asking for a separate bill so he needn't spend any of his "hard-earned" money accidentally paying for a crumb of food eaten by one of the other 19 people at table.

As for all the religion-bashing - I've seen people walk the walk. My own view: Hate the player, not the game.


People like him will also eat off a communal; plate or appetizer and refuse to contribute to the cost because they didn't order it.
 
2013-01-30 08:22:33 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: If you're too cheap to leave a tip, then don't bother going out to eat. Funny how a lot of these assholes gladly drop $300 for dinner and $200 on a bottle of wine, but can't "afford" to leave at least a 10% tip. I always leave a 20% when I go out, unless the waiter had a nasty attitude or stood around texting on an iPhone instead of taking my order.

There should be a level of Hell reserved for people who leave those stupid religious tracts in lieu of a tip.


I quite agree: If you can afford to eat out, you can afford to tip.

My brother lives in Australia and says tipping doesn't really occur there. Wage laws are enforced so that waiters can actually live on what they earn.
 
2013-01-30 08:23:33 AM  
My father the father tips better than I do. Usually 20% unless they were terrible, and where we live min wage is 11/hr.
 
2013-01-30 08:26:15 AM  
this is why all christians must die

people that hate god always leave a fair tip

it's a scientific FACT
 
2013-01-30 08:26:50 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: There should be a level of Hell reserved for people who leave those stupid religious tracts in lieu of a tip.


The world makes a whole lot more sense to me when I imagine that, given God was created in humans' image, Heaven is a place of, by and for these people.

When I say I'm going to Hell, I consider it the more desirable option.  No child molesters that recanted on their deathbeds, no hypocrites, no prudes.  I might find criminals and it could get uncomfortably warm, but I'll just tell myself I'm in Australia.
 
2013-01-30 08:29:06 AM  
You can't take it with you, Ramsey.
 
2013-01-30 08:32:06 AM  
If this is true, he probably also claimed tax exempt status as a pastor and had the sales tax removed.
 
2013-01-30 08:32:07 AM  
What does god need with my 10%?
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-30 08:32:25 AM  

KingKauff: stuhayes2010: I think most of these tip stories are fake.

This

 
2013-01-30 08:32:49 AM  
 
2013-01-30 08:33:00 AM  
If I knew that pastor, I would go into church services and put that "disappointed" bill in his collection plate, and scribble on it "Matthew 25:31-46".
 
2013-01-30 08:33:31 AM  
I'm guessing this is on of those slimey, piece of shiat magechurch type pastors that drives around in a Cadilac and lives in a $200k mcmansion with his wannabe stepford wife and spoiled, holier-than-thou crotchspawn. Take away this asshole's money and see how long it takes him to start cursing the name of the god that made him.
 
2013-01-30 08:34:14 AM  
Also, since this is a tipping thread, let me get my popcorn ready...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-30 08:35:25 AM  

fredklein: ::sigh:::

Thisthreadagain.jpg

Tipping is a scam.

It's a scam on the employees: It allows the (for example) restaurant owner to offload personnel problems onto the customers ("I don't have to discipline the bad waiters, the customers will just not tip them"). It allows him to pay shiat wages to his staff (*ching* more money in his pocket!). And it allows him to offer lower prices because he has virtually no payroll expense (lower prices= more customers = more work for the waitstaff, but *ching* more money in the owners pocket). It's also disadvantageous for the waiter, because eh can never tell how much he'll be earning- a good week might be $400, a bad week might be $100. How do you plan for expenses??

It's a scam on the customer: Customers see a good price for food, only to pay 10%, 15%, 20% more at the end.

And it's extortion, plain and simple; pay me, or I'll mess with your food.

The solution is obvious- pay waiters (and other tipped positions) a FAIR wage, and do away with tipping.


Whoa there...slow your roll there turbo...

A few things:
When I waited tables, I almost always knew how much I was making, granted I mostly waited in fine dining and every shift was a guaranteed $100+, with Thursday-Saturday night tips being $300-$400+.  Budgeting is really easy to do.  It is just like a commissioned sales gig.

"Pay me or I will mess with your food" - While there are likely some bad apples, the risk of jail, tainting your good name, getting your restaurant shut down, and never being able to get another restaurant job again is simply not worth it.  Spitting, peeing, cuming into someones food is more or less and urban legend perpetuated by Hollywood and the internet.  I have worked in a lot or restaurants over the years and have never once seen anyone ever mess with someones food.

If restaurants were to pay their wait staff say $12 per hour, your meal would go up much more than a blanket 20%.  (I do not have any links to articles) This topic has been discussed quite a bit and the general consensus among economists and accountants is that the average restaurant bill would balloon to something like 30%-40%, not a simple 20%.  This is taking into account payroll taxes, paying waiters during slow times, doing their end of the night side work, etc.
 
2013-01-30 08:36:05 AM  

StrangeQ: I'm guessing this is on of those slimey, piece of shiat magemegachurch type pastors that drives around in a Cadilac and lives in a $200k mcmansion with his wannabe stepford wife and spoiled, holier-than-thou crotchspawn. Take away this asshole's money and see how long it takes him to start cursing the name of the god that made him.

/need coffee
 
2013-01-30 08:39:33 AM  
Which church teaches that you should take valuable services without paying for them?
 
2013-01-30 08:39:44 AM  
Did the D-bag also whip out one of these?

scm-l3.technorati.com
 
2013-01-30 08:41:26 AM  
Dear pastor:

There's no money in the collection plate because you're going to heaven instead!

Hallelujah!
 
2013-01-30 08:41:36 AM  

StrangeQ: StrangeQ: I'm guessing this is on of those slimey, piece of shiat magemegachurch type pastors that drives around in a Cadilac and lives in a $200k mcmansion with his wannabe stepford wife and spoiled, holier-than-thou crotchspawn. Take away this asshole's money and see how long it takes him to start cursing the name of the god that made him.
/need coffee


You would be on the right track.

I can also guess the race.
 
2013-01-30 08:42:24 AM  
When a friend worked in the gift shop at the local Cracker Barrel, they closed at 10 pm on Sundays. A local church's music pastor and his wife inevitably showed up every Sunday right at closing time when the restaurant was empty and took their sweet time eating and even shopping in the gift shop while all the employees were required to stay, whether or not they were done cleaning up, until the last customer left. She quit working there a long time ago, but they did this for at least a year. Nice to have regular customers, and I'm glad to accommodate my patients and stay late every so often to help them, but that kind of inconsiderate behavior by "Christians" is what turns people off.
 
2013-01-30 08:44:39 AM  

Endive Wombat: If restaurants were to pay their wait staff say $12 per hour, your meal would go up much more than a blanket 20%.  (I do not have any links to articles)


Get some, then. But before you do, my counterargument is that I'd pay a 20% markup on my food if I knew the waitstaff were paid a wage commensurate to their work, rather than being lowballed and forced to live off of tips (which, unlike you and your "fine dining" establishment, usually is not enough to make it livable.)
 
2013-01-30 08:49:23 AM  

AbbeySomeone: This guy is a dick and yes, I believe it is real.
Worst tippers - middle aged church ladies.


Middle age elementary school teachers  .  .  .  or guys that own a sail boat.
Power boat guys, Pfft "make it 35% and here's a $20 for being a good sport"
When you're filling a 200 gal tank from the gas dock, a $175 liquor bill is spit.
The rag sailors though, jesus, I've seen 'em pulling change out of their pockets.
Church ladies?  You didn't get 'em drunk enough - I've made the same mistake.

CSB I returned a tip.  Didn't make a big deal of it just a "That's an insult - you keep it."
Owner and mgr over heard me.  Began laughing like hyenas.  Then told the party not to come back.
 
2013-01-30 08:51:58 AM  
Outrageous story + Consumerist = bullshiat.
 
2013-01-30 08:56:37 AM  
Pastors are the worst kind of people.

One of my ex girlfriends had a father who was a pastor. When they had a big party with all the other churchy types, they would make the children put razor blades in their mouths to keep them quiet.

Another ex girlfriend also had a pastor for a dad. He used to get drunk every night and beat her till she ran away at age 17. He promptly disowned her and refuses to admit he even has a daughter.

I know this is a tiny sample size to base an opinion on, but I've always felt these anecdotes were indicitive of the control freak nature you get from these types of arseholes. Fark religion.
 
2013-01-30 08:59:15 AM  

Alassra: If a tip is optional, then there isn't a theft.

If it's a fee, call it that and then it's theft.

Not sure this really happened but :: shrug :: wouldn't surprise me either.


No one is saying it's 'theft'. They're saying he's a asshole.
 
2013-01-30 09:02:11 AM  
"There won't be any tip this evening. We gave it all to Jesus."

"Well then, the next time you're in here, Jesus can wait on you."
 
2013-01-30 09:03:09 AM  
Normally I biatch about whiny wait staff.. getting all butt hurt about tips..

..and I DETEST places that add an automatic tip to the bill..

But in this case, It's a party of 20 or more.. it's printed on the menu.. and the asshats made them split the checks out as well.

If this guy really is a pastor.. I'd go listen to his sermon and when the plate was passed, I'd take $20 bucks out of it and leave.
 
2013-01-30 09:03:23 AM  

Endive Wombat: A few things:
When I waited tables, I almost always knew how much I was making, granted I mostly waited in fine dining


So, the fact you worked at an upscale place made it slightly more predictable. Notice you still said you "almost always" knew how much you were making. As opposed to always knowing.

If restaurants were to pay their wait staff say $12 per hour, your meal would go up much more than a blanket 20%. (I do not have any links to articles) This topic has been discussed quite a bit and the general consensus among economists and accountants is that the average restaurant bill would balloon to something like 30%-40%, not a simple 20%. This is taking into account payroll taxes, paying waiters during slow times, doing their end of the night side work, etc.

Not really. Say a waiter has 4 tables. Turnover is every 2 hours. In an 8-hour shift, that's 16 meals. At $60 a meal, that's $144 if everyone tips 15%. The restaurant just needs to raise the prices of each dish (assuming 2 main dishes and 2 desserts per meal) by $2.40 each.

Taxes need to be paid in any case.

Slow times? Maybe management should be looking at the schedule and making sure they don't have waiters standing around. But I guess it's easier to just schedule them, make them waste their time, and say it's 'an opportunity' to earn more tips' or whatever.
 
2013-01-30 09:08:36 AM  
"but larger parties receive an automatic gratuity. It's in the computer, it's not something I do."This is the problem I have with the article. Everywhere I've been, the tip is is not automatic, but it is added by the server at their discretion.
 
2013-01-30 09:09:12 AM  
FTFA: "I Give God 10% Why do you Get 18″

Simple ... the waiter actually exists.
 
2013-01-30 09:09:12 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: [verybadfrog.com image 500x212]

Sorry. The waiter did make it in to the painting after all. My bad.


get out of my head!
 
2013-01-30 09:11:10 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-30 09:11:58 AM  

MagicPlasticTreeFrog: indicitive of the control freak nature you get from these types of arseholes.


Well think about it...these kinds of people make a living by convincing another group of people that their words are an inciteful revelation of the words of a god. They could literally have read only one book in their entire lives, and now here is a crowd of people praising their worth. It's practically a recipe for self-righteous smugness.
 
2013-01-30 09:13:05 AM  

Badgers: There's more to this story, apparently:

A pastor brought in a large youth group, stayed for five hours, kept me late, ordered off-menu, modded everything, kept asking for free food and drinks, asked for ten different checks, then wanted them all run with the same card...


It's really too bad you can't taze people for douchebaggery.
 
2013-01-30 09:15:08 AM  
The "mandatory gratuity" for large groups may be an oxymoron, but I don't have a problem with it. When a waitress serves a large group, she often serves no other tables during that time. The fee is in response to groups who don't tip and then then waitress is screwed out of tips for most of the evening. If she served several different tables during that time, at least one or two tables would have left a decent tip.

At least at most full-service restaurants. I once wrote in a 20% tip on the credit slip at the local Cracker Barrel and the clerk giggled and thanked me and called other employees over to see ...because so few of the elderly travelers they serve ever leave a tip at all. It was kind of embarrassing.
 
2013-01-30 09:16:26 AM  

omnimancer28: enforce automatic gratuity


I'm not sure that the word "gratuity" is compatible with either "enforce" or "automatic".

See also: guaranteed bonus
 
2013-01-30 09:17:55 AM  

maskedloser: It was an auto-gratuity: The pastard was eating with a party of 20 and the picture appears to be his portion of that larger bill. If he had a problem with the tip, he should have spoken with the manager instead of stiffing the guy making $5/h. What a farking douchebag.


His point, I think, was that 18% was sufficiently greedy to merit 0% as a rebuke. I'm ok with that.
 
2013-01-30 09:19:12 AM  

Zaelath: Ok.. why? Is 5 tables of 4 less work?

Oh and "learn to type".


Yes it is a lot less work. You can stagger the stages of service when you have smaller parties. Easy mistake to make, if you have never eaten in the type of eating establishment that uses a waitstaff.
 
2013-01-30 09:22:35 AM  
Why does God need money?
 
2013-01-30 09:22:43 AM  

No Such Agency: Oh I saw it... it's just that, how is this any different from just not paying your bill? Isn't it considered theft? Yeah I know, six bucks isn't worth calling the cops on someone, but it's theft.


What do you understand the word "gratuity" to mean?
 
2013-01-30 09:24:38 AM  

sigdiamond2000: Why does God need money?


That's what I've always wondered.

But,

Religion = Superstition + $$$$$
 
2013-01-30 09:25:50 AM  

IlGreven: If I knew that pastor, I would go into church services and put that "disappointed" bill in his collection plate, and scribble on it "Matthew 25:31-46".


But then you have assburger Pasture walking straight to his restaurant after church to demand he be fired. One thing I've learned is that assholes never learn, they only double down. That's why they really need nothing but derision and occasionally a lead bath.
 
2013-01-30 09:33:28 AM  
one thing's for sure---i think we can all agree that waiters make too much money and that any opportunity to force them to work for free should be taken by anyone---especially by anyone so cash-strapped that they're eating out in a restaurant

/what's the problem with a 20% tip? even shiatty waiters are working. don't other people get paid on days that they're just going through the motions?
 
2013-01-30 09:34:23 AM  
Just to clarify (since some people seem to still have it wrong), the 34.93 is before the 18% gratuity. You can tell because 18% of 34.93 is 6.29, had the 34.93 been after the 18% gratuity, then the gratuity would have been $5.33
 
2013-01-30 09:35:27 AM  

orbister: maskedloser: It was an auto-gratuity: The pastard was eating with a party of 20 and the picture appears to be his portion of that larger bill. If he had a problem with the tip, he should have spoken with the manager instead of stiffing the guy making $5/h. What a farking douchebag.

His point, I think, was that 18% was sufficiently greedy to merit 0% as a rebuke. I'm ok with that.


I disagree. The gratuity was listed on the menu. That party of 20 knew, before ordering a thing, that they would be expected to pay an additional fee for all the extra service they required. The pastor stiffed some waited for what amounted to just a little over $6 because he 'already gave to God'? That's one massive douchebag there,
 
2013-01-30 09:40:32 AM  
"Human decency is not derived from religion, it precedes it."
abcnews.go.com
 
2013-01-30 09:40:32 AM  
In both the Old and New Testaments the prophets and Jesus had lots to say about treating the poor fairly. Both sections of the Bible say much about making sure that the poor don't starve, and to not persecute them.

Waiters' base pay is something like $2.13 an hour, and I would venture to say that it's rare that they really make substantial wages unless they're employed at a high end restaurant. While a $20 a plate restaurant isn't "cheap," it's hardly the high end kind of place I mean. It's around the cost of a mid-range steak place. When my family dines out, we actually typically err on the high side for tips because we understand that a service is being provided, and wait staff's base pay is woefully small. We try to even out things for the selfish, entitled a-holes that seem to think they're better than their wait staff.

Ripping off a waiter for services he provided is theft. If someone provides a service for you, you should pay them. I always understood that the law of tithe is stated as ten percent to illustrate God's reasonableness. He didn't expect you to give him all of your money, just enough to make sure his church was running.

If this is indeed real, the pastor is a stone hearted jerk, not a man of God. I have to believe there are some people who genuinely believe in God and are good people in positions of clergy, but this guy's certainly not making a good name for them, he certainly seems to lack an understanding of the intention of the law of tithe.

I'm not religious any more, just stating my thoughts from what I recall from the Bible, which I think still may have some good moral lessons, there's certainly an abundance of "don't do that sort of stories."
 
2013-01-30 09:40:42 AM  

stuhayes2010: I think most of these tip stories are fake.


Apply the Drake equation:

How many restaurant meals are served in the US each day? Lets assume 10 million -- meaning one out of thirty is eating out once a day.

Now, lets assume that 1 out of every 1000 people are assholes. That means that every day, 10 000 assholes are served a meal.
Assume that 1 out of 100 severs is a self-righteous bastard. Every day, 100 assholes are served by a self righteous bastard.

The real question is: Why aren't I seeing 36 500 of these posts a year?
 
2013-01-30 09:42:34 AM  

CeroX: Bah, had some douche do that to me when i was a bartender... was a sunday afternoon, they came in, dressed in their sunday best, sat at the high top, ordered what amounted to be a typical sunday after church meal plus drinks. Since it was a sunday we didn't have a regular server for the bar area, so we always took care of them ourselves. They ran up a pretty good bill with drinks... don't remember exactly how much, that was like 10 or 12 years ago. When they went to cash out, he picked up the tab for the whole group. Then made a point to tell me "i'd normally tip ya, but we gave our money to god today"... had a hard time biting my tongue that day... will never forget that guy...


That is ALWAYS the danger zone when some asshole makes a big deal about paying for the whole table. That willingness to cover the bill rarely extends to a decent tip.

Anyone trying to defend the Pastor in this situation is a douchebag who needs to go get a serving job and see the other side of things. That pastor stole from the waitress, which is a sin. Some moral leader that guy is.
 
2013-01-30 09:42:36 AM  
At our regular Sunday lunch restaurant, we were seated when a huge group showed up to eat. Our regular waitress told us quietly this group had called ahead for seating for 12, but they were now up to 18, over a third of them were kids under the age of 8, and more "might show up".

The party was seated at two large tables (created by shoving smaller tables together, of course; that right there messes up the server's tables), with the small kids at one table (unsupervised) and the adults at the other. Sure enough, two more families show up and want to be seated with the larger party. More tables get shoved together, to the point where the only remaining non-party seating left are the booths.

The restaurant pulls two servers off the booths to handle this party. The kids start getting noisy; the adults get noisier to talk over the kids. The servers have trouble getting anything like a coherent order from the kids, and their parents are just the "well let them order for themselves" type. Our regular server, btw, got pulled off the booths and onto helping with the party (she keeps our table though).

The kids are now getting up and running around; parents either ignore them, deep in their own conversations, or just throwing out "now go and sit back down now" that the kids ignore.

Another regular customer shows up, and is seated in a booth next to the kids' table. She has a book and clearly intends to sit and read while her meal is prepared. The kids by now are deafening. After a few minutes of this, the customer stands up and yells "will you kids please BEHAVE yourselves!", and then gets up and walks to the last remaining table at the back of the restaurant, near the restrooms.

The rest of us non-party customers begin clapping. The kids sit back down; the parents quiet their conversational roar for a few minutes, then begin over again.

/we left shortly afterward
//our waitress apologized profusely for not paying as much attention to us as she normally did
///we understood, told her so, and tipped her very well for her troubles.
 
2013-01-30 09:45:38 AM  

gulogulo: No one is saying it's 'theft'. They're saying he's a asshole.


No, we're actually saying if the automatic gratuity is listed on the menu, as it is almost everywhere, then he's legally obligated to pay it because it's a contract stipulation that's legally enforceable when disclosed in advance. He stole, indignant or not.
 
2013-01-30 09:52:41 AM  

Mr Guy: gulogulo: No one is saying it's 'theft'. They're saying he's a asshole.

No, we're actually saying if the automatic gratuity is listed on the menu, as it is almost everywhere, then he's legally obligated to pay it because it's a contract stipulation that's legally enforceable when disclosed in advance. He stole, indignant or not.


Plus, he doesn't give 10% to god. He's the pastor, others give 10%, or some amount, and he's the recipient.

It's called a parasite.
 
2013-01-30 09:52:48 AM  
When a parishioner gives "God" 10%, it goes to the church (to support the Pastor's family, etc...).

This pastor says he gives 10% to God, but where does that go? Back into his own pocket?

My guess is that he gives nothing, and is only in receipt of money from his parishioners.
 
2013-01-30 09:53:03 AM  

bustemup: Just to clarify (since some people seem to still have it wrong), the 34.93 is before the 18% gratuity. You can tell because 18% of 34.93 is 6.29, had the 34.93 been after the 18% gratuity, then the gratuity would have been $5.33


You don't give gratuity on taxes.

maskedloser: orbister: maskedloser: It was an auto-gratuity: The pastard was eating with a party of 20 and the picture appears to be his portion of that larger bill. If he had a problem with the tip, he should have spoken with the manager instead of stiffing the guy making $5/h. What a farking douchebag.

His point, I think, was that 18% was sufficiently greedy to merit 0% as a rebuke. I'm ok with that.

I disagree. The gratuity was listed on the menu. That party of 20 knew, before ordering a thing, that they would be expected to pay an additional fee for all the extra service they required. The pastor stiffed some waited for what amounted to just a little over $6 because he 'already gave to God'? That's one massive douchebag there,


See above.

If there is a 18% gratuity, and you ask them to split the check (and a lot of times when you don't) they add it in.
 
2013-01-30 09:54:08 AM  
I'm surprised so many people didn't believe this story and stories like this could be true. I saw it happen firsthand to an inlaw's coworker when I visited the restaurant. Long story short it was a party of 14 and they "tipped" with fake 5s, 10s and 20s all with Jesus Is Your Tip type sayings in them. This was prior to a mandatory tip thing for parties greater than 6 so she was understandably upset about it.
 
2013-01-30 09:56:07 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Mr. Coffee Nerves

Douchebag 23:40-41


I would have gone with 'Doucheronomy".


'cause it sounds like Deuteronomy


I read that in Archer's voice.
 
2013-01-30 10:00:42 AM  
Enjoy your special sauce next time, padre.
 
2013-01-30 10:02:33 AM  
There's no douchebag quite like a cheapskate self-righteous douchebag.
 
2013-01-30 10:04:50 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Most stories from the Consumerist are nothing but bullshiat, but extremely religious types do tend to be some of the worst tippers on the planet (See: That utterly retarded "Here's a tip - oh no, wait, it's just more unwanted proselytising, because adding insult to injury is just hi-larious" false bill), so at least this one has some basis in reality. Hell, it might even be true.


When I was a waiter in college we all hated the after church Sunday shift because of the huge groups of fundies that would come in and take up tabels of twelve, all order a small sundae, drink coffee for 2 hours and leave a 75 cent tip.
 
2013-01-30 10:06:46 AM  
The problem here is that this pastor believes that his position and title hold him above petty rules and common courtesies that mere mortals must follow. He obviously doesn't realize that only politicians are more equal than the rest of us. Pastors lost any elevated status back in the 70's.
 
2013-01-30 10:12:48 AM  
i253.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-30 10:17:30 AM  
I was in a large group over the weekend and had an automatic 18% added on. The waiter knew it would be automatic, and therefore rendered horrible services. I understand that that's what they live on, etc, but it wasn't the restaurants fault, it wasn't the cooks fault, it was her fault alone. The "additional tip" line is really hard to cross through because you know they still look at that and go "what a cheapass!" but I didn't mind doing it in this situation.

It makes me wonder, what does a waiter really make? Let's take Red Lobster for instance, what do you think they average a year? An actual amount, not what they claim on taxes..
 
2013-01-30 10:19:36 AM  
"I give God 10%, why do you get 18%?" No, you give your money-grubbing, hypocritical, sheep-herders 10%. Probably skim a bit yourself. You don't give God anything. God doesn't need money. One of the perks of being the All-Mighty.
 
2013-01-30 10:26:15 AM  

liam76: bustemup: Just to clarify (since some people seem to still have it wrong), the 34.93 is before the 18% gratuity. You can tell because 18% of 34.93 is 6.29, had the 34.93 been after the 18% gratuity, then the gratuity would have been $5.33

You don't give gratuity on taxes.

what do taxes that have to do with anything? Lowering the subtotal simply makes it even clearer that gratuity wasn't included. It is mathematically impossible for $34.93 to include an 18% gratuity of $6.29 on anything.

let me put it this way. for an 18% gratuity on a subtotal to be $6.29, the subtotal was about $34.93 (well, about that due to rounding). So it clearly didn't include the gratuity.

 
2013-01-30 10:27:26 AM  
Someone should point out to the pastor that he gets 10% of the earnings of the members of his congregation. I don't buy that his congregation makes less than $35 a week. His argument is stupid because there's no way he receives less in actual cash than the waitress does.
 
2013-01-30 10:34:42 AM  
Automatic gratuity is BS. If the waiter is good he/she will get 15-20%. If they are bad they get less.
 
2013-01-30 10:34:42 AM  
I was a waiter in the early 2000's in southern MS. This type of crap happened all the time. A lot of the tips were the change left over. Some days were good ($40 tips) 1-2 shifts a week would be below $10. But you would always get the asshole that doesn't tip male waiters, or the god ones that leave chick tracts / fake money.

Was a rough time as I didn't have a car and that was the only place I could get a ride to daily so my options were limited. I made 2.15/hr. Of course at least 2 hours a day was spent folding silverware and we had to do all the dishes / bussing as well. Tips there sucked. The place was small so only had 1 waiter / waitress on duty except during lunch when there was 2. Of course there was always no shows on Sundays because the church crowd never tipped and worked you ragged.

What really sucked was when the cook decided to go smoke a joint and would be gone for a few hours (owners son) and I had to cook the food also (no wage bonus) and the tips would suck even more. You try waiting tables and cooking food for 11 people at the same time, see how many tips you get. You were responsible for walkouts (couldn't see shiat while cooking). Oh and wage matching... don't make me laugh.

Last straw was when they got fined for a dirty exhaust where the food was cooked and made me clean it for my wonderfull 2.15/hr wage which took 14 hours. That was the nastiest shiat I ever touched.

Hurricane Katrina was the best thing that happened to that place :) Cheap bastards didn't carry insurance.
 
2013-01-30 10:40:03 AM  

Off2403: While I do somewhat question this story's legitimacy just due to the frequency of shiatty tipping stories coming out of the woodwork


Some aren't legit, but there's also probably a feedback-type effect happening - the waitstaff of the world see that posting shiatty tipping experiences (real and concocted) on the internet is becoming more and more of a thing, so more and more do it.
 
2013-01-30 10:40:12 AM  

bustemup: liam76: bustemup: Just to clarify (since some people seem to still have it wrong), the 34.93 is before the 18% gratuity. You can tell because 18% of 34.93 is 6.29, had the 34.93 been after the 18% gratuity, then the gratuity would have been $5.33

You don't give gratuity on taxes.

what do taxes that have to do with anything? Lowering the subtotal simply makes it even clearer that gratuity wasn't included. It is mathematically impossible for $34.93 to include an 18% gratuity of $6.29 on anything.

let me put it this way. for an 18% gratuity on a subtotal to be $6.29, the subtotal was about $34.93 (well, about that due to rounding). So it clearly didn't include the gratuity.


My mistake.
 
2013-01-30 10:42:03 AM  

liam76: bustemup: Just to clarify (since some people seem to still have it wrong), the 34.93 is before the 18% gratuity. You can tell because 18% of 34.93 is 6.29, had the 34.93 been after the 18% gratuity, then the gratuity would have been $5.33

You don't give gratuity on taxes.

maskedloser: orbister: maskedloser: It was an auto-gratuity: The pastard was eating with a party of 20 and the picture appears to be his portion of that larger bill. If he had a problem with the tip, he should have spoken with the manager instead of stiffing the guy making $5/h. What a farking douchebag.

His point, I think, was that 18% was sufficiently greedy to merit 0% as a rebuke. I'm ok with that.

I disagree. The gratuity was listed on the menu. That party of 20 knew, before ordering a thing, that they would be expected to pay an additional fee for all the extra service they required. The pastor stiffed some waited for what amounted to just a little over $6 because he 'already gave to God'? That's one massive douchebag there,

See above.

If there is a 18% gratuity, and you ask them to split the check (and a lot of times when you don't) they add it in.


That doesn't change my position in the least - to wit, tough titty. Pay the farking gratuity listed on the menu, or eat elsewhere. Cheap pastard couldn't cough up $6 of his tax exempt money? fark him.
 
2013-01-30 10:47:34 AM  

Farking Canuck: FTFA: "I Give God 10% Why do you Get 18″

Simple ... the waiter actually exists.


PWNED

gone in a puff of logic
 
2013-01-30 10:50:21 AM  

Bendal: At our regular Sunday lunch restaurant, we were seated when a huge group showed up to eat. Our regular waitress told us quietly this group had called ahead for seating for 12, but they were now up to 18, over a third of them were kids under the age of 8, and more "might show up".

The party was seated at two large tables (created by shoving smaller tables together, of course; that right there messes up the server's tables), with the small kids at one table (unsupervised) and the adults at the other. Sure enough, two more families show up and want to be seated with the larger party. More tables get shoved together, to the point where the only remaining non-party seating left are the booths.

The restaurant pulls two servers off the booths to handle this party. The kids start getting noisy; the adults get noisier to talk over the kids. The servers have trouble getting anything like a coherent order from the kids, and their parents are just the "well let them order for themselves" type. Our regular server, btw, got pulled off the booths and onto helping with the party (she keeps our table though).

The kids are now getting up and running around; parents either ignore them, deep in their own conversations, or just throwing out "now go and sit back down now" that the kids ignore.

Another regular customer shows up, and is seated in a booth next to the kids' table. She has a book and clearly intends to sit and read while her meal is prepared. The kids by now are deafening. After a few minutes of this, the customer stands up and yells "will you kids please BEHAVE yourselves!", and then gets up and walks to the last remaining table at the back of the restaurant, near the restrooms.

The rest of us non-party customers begin clapping. The kids sit back down; the parents quiet their conversational roar for a few minutes, then begin over again.

/we left shortly afterward
//our waitress apologized profusely for not paying as much attention to us as she normally did
///we unders ...


When you do not tip, you are stealing from the waiter.  Because the waiter has to often times tip out to the busser, host and food runners.  The tip out is normally calculated off total sales, not total tips received.  Usually it is 8% up to 12%+ of total sales.

The nicest restaurant I worked in and made the most money in, we had a 12% tip out - something like 1% to the host, 7% to the busser and 4% to the food runners.  So a table whose bill was $200, it cost ME $24 to serve them.  Now often times at this particular restaurant, I made 25%-30%+ on tips, so it was not THAT big of a deal.  But handing over close to $200 for tipout at the end of the night sucks...it sucks even more if you were stiffed.  Now image this scenario when you are in a place like Red Lobster or Fridays and your total sales are like $650.  In that instance, every damn penny counts.

I have gotten a few of those fake $50's and $100's along side a zero tip...and I have handed it right back to them thanking them for it, but I must decline as I cannot pay my rent with it.  I would say it in such a nice, humble, and almost silly/joking way, that a look of utter embarrassment would wash over their faces.  I would smile, turn around without saying anything else, and walk away.  I never had any of them complain to a manager, because let's be honest here, how ridiculous do you think that a conversation/complaint to the manager would sound? "I tried to stiff your waiter and give him a religious tract and he told me that he cannot accept it..."   More often than not, I would come back to the table and there would be like $15-$20 laying on the table after they left.
 
2013-01-30 10:56:43 AM  
I call fake. If you read it says it was a party of 20. A.) a party of 20 would not have a bill of $34.63. B.) If it was a party of 20, there is no way the waiter would split the bill 20 ways.
 
2013-01-30 10:58:06 AM  
I used to read The Consumerist; it used to have useful articles. Now it's just "stories" written by people butthurt about retailers not bowing to their every whim. That and bad-tipper stories (half of which are hoaxes).
 
2013-01-30 10:59:07 AM  
Does God take EBT now? Is the account at Bank of America? I'll need the routing number.

/can I just give it to Scientology instead?
 
2013-01-30 11:00:34 AM  
So... The diners knew there was a gratuity policy and refused to pay. That's tantamount to theft. Isn't there something in the Bible that addresses stealing. Maybe some kind of thing that commands what thou shalt and shalt not do. Seems like something I'd have in my top 10 list of moral guidelines. I'm sure the pastor would know.
 
2013-01-30 11:01:20 AM  

shaunmark: It makes me wonder, what does a waiter really make? Let's take Red Lobster for instance, what do you think they average a year? An actual amount, not what they claim on taxes..


Most places, just around minimum wage. Nicer places can do better, but waiters as a group suffer badly from the slot machine fallacy. Tracking your daily amounts, as a waiter, is a critical life skill, as is ensuring that the restaurant is actually paying you what they owe you. Typically, places that make 200 or 300 dollar a night only do so a night or two a week, so you're talking a $700 to $900 weekly average, for a more or less generic middle class busy restaurant, or in the ballpark. It's easy to see how fast that can vanish if you are sucked in by paying $10 every shift for a meal from the kitchen, a pack of cigarettes to deal with the stress, and a couple of beers after work.
 
2013-01-30 11:01:33 AM  

llort dam eht: My dad is a christian - informs everything he does. I have seen him leave tracts and things like that for a waiter but always in addition to a tip, because he knows that Jesus is great but people need money now.


No. He believes "Jesus is great". He doesn't know it.
 
2013-01-30 11:02:38 AM  

sandi_fish: I call fake. If you read it says it was a party of 20. A.) a party of 20 would not have a bill of $34.63. B.) If it was a party of 20, there is no way the waiter would split the bill 20 ways.


A swing and a miss :)

1) The bill was for one member of that party.

2) Yes, a waiter will split the bill if asked. What is he going to do - say, "Sorry, no; one of you schmucks is paying the whole thing. Suck it."

If you read up-thread, you'll see a lot of good discussion on how something like this might have happened. I'm a bit surprised at the number of people who immediately called fake on this one: I can only assume most of them have never either worked as a waiter or been friends with one.
 
2013-01-30 11:07:34 AM  

AbbeySomeone: This guy is a dick and yes, I believe it is real.
Worst tippers - middle aged church ladies.


I remember working at Subway in high school and college and having the after church crowd order their food and pay, and then tell me I'm a sinner for working on the Sabbath and refusing to tip.
 
2013-01-30 11:08:45 AM  

I drunk what: Farking Canuck: FTFA: "I Give God 10% Why do you Get 18″

Simple ... the waiter actually exists.

PWNED

gone in a puff of logic


I am really starting to like the new IDW. You make me laugh.
 
2013-01-30 11:14:16 AM  

Lord Dimwit: AbbeySomeone: This guy is a dick and yes, I believe it is real.
Worst tippers - middle aged church ladies.

I remember working at Subway in high school and college and having the after church crowd order their food and pay, and then tell me I'm a sinner for working on the Sabbath and refusing to tip.


You're supposed to tip at farking Subway? Does an "Sandwich Artist" only make $2.15 or whatever per hour and have to survive on tips? Is there something more special about a Subway person builds you sandwich over one at BK or some other shop and then hands you an empty cup for you fill yourself out of the fountain machine?

The sinner thing is stupid, I'll grant you that. Knew a bunch of people complaining that stores should not be opening this year on Thanksgiving... but they were going shopping anyway. Tools.
 
2013-01-30 11:15:09 AM  
CSB: I once got tipped a dollar on a table that stayed over an hour and a half. True, the kitchen totally farked up their order at one point (through no fault of my own) but we fixed it and comped their dessert and I provided the best service I could the entire time. It was a second job and the restaurant was failing so I didn't care much about losing the job. Upon discovering the $1 tip on the $65 meal I chased them out to the parking lot, said "Hey you forgot something!" put the dollar in the dude's hand and said, "If this is all you can afford to tip you obviously need the money more than me." And I went back inside. GOD, that was satisfying.
 
2013-01-30 11:16:27 AM  
This is why everyone should be required to work a year in food service. f*** compulsive military service, people need to learn to appreciatewhat it takes to bust your ass waiting tables for 8 hours a day for usually half of minimum wage.
 
2013-01-30 11:18:47 AM  
Simply refuse to serve the pastor and his little harem of underage sex toys and explain why (stealing).

/Would love to see this story get some more coverage out there.
 
2013-01-30 11:22:35 AM  
"I give God 10%, why do you get 18?"

Because God isn't real and you've wasted your life.
 
2013-01-30 11:24:32 AM  

No Such Agency: maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.


THIS.

TFA says 18% is included on partys over 8 on the menu. They should have called the police on his a$$ for theft. That being said, I don't think this has a thing to do with any religion... just another DB amongst us who happens to be a pastor by profession.
 
2013-01-30 11:28:11 AM  

Lord Dimwit: AbbeySomeone: This guy is a dick and yes, I believe it is real.
Worst tippers - middle aged church ladies.

I remember working at Subway in high school and college and having the after church crowd order their food and pay, and then tell me I'm a sinner for working on the Sabbath and refusing to tip.


Well what kind of tips were you expecting at a Subway, anyway?

Seriously though, I hate those kinds of arguments from the church going folk. If you think it's a sin to work on the sabbath, why the flying fark are you supporting it by patronizing the restaurant? That's contributing.
 
2013-01-30 11:30:49 AM  

ifly4fun: No Such Agency: maskedloser:
Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.

If it's an automatic gratuity, his little scribble shouldn't have made any difference. It's part of the bill just like the food. That's what sort of confuses me here.

THIS.

TFA says 18% is included on partys over 8 on the menu. They should have called the police on his a$$ for theft. That being said, I don't think this has a thing to do with any religion... just another DB amongst us who happens to be a pastor by profession.


I have read about that happening and the cases were tossed out.

Unless the Menu said "service fee" vice "gratuity" they don't have to pay.

/normally tip 20
//Have tipped less when it was "mandatory" due to shiatty service.
 
2013-01-30 11:31:12 AM  

stuhayes2010: I think most of these tip stories are fake.


It is Reddit, people put fake stuff there all the time for karma points.
 
2013-01-30 11:32:01 AM  

maskedloser: sandi_fish: I call fake. If you read it says it was a party of 20. A.) a party of 20 would not have a bill of $34.63. B.) If it was a party of 20, there is no way the waiter would split the bill 20 ways.

A swing and a miss :)

1) The bill was for one member of that party.

2) Yes, a waiter will split the bill if asked. What is he going to do - say, "Sorry, no; one of you schmucks is paying the whole thing. Suck it."

If you read up-thread, you'll see a lot of good discussion on how something like this might have happened. I'm a bit surprised at the number of people who immediately called fake on this one: I can only assume most of them have never either worked as a waiter or been friends with one.


A reposted photo isn't evidence of this actually happening, especially when some of these turn out to be fake.

So discussion on "how something like this might have happened" does not equal this happening.

Both of my sisters were waitresses and complained about it. I kept asking them why they chose such shiatty jobs. But the reality is, they enjoyed working with people their age... there was a lot of socializing going on... and they got free food. So the benefit to them was beyond the crappy wage.

And I don't care that the wait staff has to "tip out." Not my problem.

And, I have had waiters say, "Sorry, our policy on parties of 8 or more is to not split the bill..."

When a restaurant opens and states: "We will refuse all tips and our price reflects the quality of the food and the service" I will be the first to try it, but they won't.

/always tip 15% at least except for maybe 2 times where the service did in fact suck.
//tip VERY generously when I have my children with me
///we are told very often "We were nervous when such a large family sat next to us, but your kids are well behaved"
 
2013-01-30 11:41:37 AM  

Neondistraction: Lord Dimwit: AbbeySomeone: This guy is a dick and yes, I believe it is real.
Worst tippers - middle aged church ladies.

I remember working at Subway in high school and college and having the after church crowd order their food and pay, and then tell me I'm a sinner for working on the Sabbath and refusing to tip.

Well what kind of tips were you expecting at a Subway, anyway?

Seriously though, I hate those kinds of arguments from the church going folk. If you think it's a sin to work on the sabbath, why the flying fark are you supporting it by patronizing the restaurant? That's contributing.


Contributing, my eye. They're making it necessary.
 
2013-01-30 11:43:52 AM  
As a server working in shiatty restaurants, the auto-grat button can be your best friend or your bitter enemy. You have to learn when to apply it- not everyone who looks cheap is cheap. I'd say I had an 80% success rate when applying it- only 20% of the people tip on top of the 18%.

My favorite line for auto-grat was, "Hey guys, the computer automatically puts the 18% gratuity on here when they see so many people in a party. I really dislike this feature of our POS system, so I'm really sorry about that. Thanks sooooo much for coming in, and come back soon!"

That usually got me an extra couple bucks on top of the auto-grat. Weeeee!
 
2013-01-30 11:48:34 AM  

jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.


He was with a large group that warranted the 18%.  Fix your reading comprehension.
 
2013-01-30 11:52:10 AM  

06Wahoo: One thing that wasn't in that post nor seems to have been questioned yet is the quality of service. I know 20 people is a lot and it can be tough on waiters, but that isn't an excuse for bad service. If this guy got good service, he isn't really in a position to feel too indignant, but if he was treated like crap, why should he have to give a tip? Without more details, I think this is just a bunch of people wanting to find a reason to whine about Christians by looking at one example that we still know very few little about.


From TFA: In total, the group ran up more than $200 worth of food before tax and tip, says the server. As for whether or not the zero-dollar tip reflect the quality of service, the waiter writes, "They had no problem with my service, and told me I was great. They just didn't want to pay when the time came."

/reading is sooo difficult
 
2013-01-30 11:52:53 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: jayhawk88: Having a receipt that suggests 18% on a $35 bill is sort of ridiculous. Fix your computer.

He was with a large group that warranted the 18%. Fix your reading comprehension.


But it was a separate check, and thus not part of the group.

What's to stop the restaurant from assuming everyone in the dining room is part of a single group, and 'auto-gratting' them all?
 
2013-01-30 11:53:17 AM  

wingnut396: Lord Dimwit: AbbeySomeone: This guy is a dick and yes, I believe it is real.
Worst tippers - middle aged church ladies.

I remember working at Subway in high school and college and having the after church crowd order their food and pay, and then tell me I'm a sinner for working on the Sabbath and refusing to tip.

You're supposed to tip at farking Subway? Does an "Sandwich Artist" only make $2.15 or whatever per hour and have to survive on tips? Is there something more special about a Subway person builds you sandwich over one at BK or some other shop and then hands you an empty cup for you fill yourself out of the fountain machine?

The sinner thing is stupid, I'll grant you that. Knew a bunch of people complaining that stores should not be opening this year on Thanksgiving... but they were going shopping anyway. Tools.


It wasn't that I was expecting a tip - it was that they would explicitly say they weren't going to tip, to try and encourage me to stop being such a heathen.
 
2013-01-30 11:55:00 AM  
His salary gets skimmed from all the tithes that his parishioners pay; he's drawing his salary from God's revenue stream. Really, he doesn't give God anything, so I guess he figures he can stiff everyone else, too.

/I get really tired of hearing about people who use their faith as an excuse to be selfish pricks.
//I get even more tired that fellow religious don't call them out on it nearly enough
 
2013-01-30 12:07:32 PM  

Lord Dimwit: It wasn't that I was expecting a tip - it was that they would explicitly say they weren't going to tip, to try and encourage me to stop being such a heathen.


Gotcha. They doubled down on the stupidity by refusing to tip at a place that you normal would not tip at.

In this spirit I think I will go to the public library, check out a few books on human sexuality and tell the librarian that she a deviant for having such books and that I refuse to pay rental fee.
 
2013-01-30 12:11:27 PM  

Bronzed War God: maskedloser: sandi_fish: I call fake. If you read it says it was a party of 20. A.) a party of 20 would not have a bill of $34.63. B.) If it was a party of 20, there is no way the waiter would split the bill 20 ways.

A swing and a miss :)

1) The bill was for one member of that party.

2) Yes, a waiter will split the bill if asked. What is he going to do - say, "Sorry, no; one of you schmucks is paying the whole thing. Suck it."

If you read up-thread, you'll see a lot of good discussion on how something like this might have happened. I'm a bit surprised at the number of people who immediately called fake on this one: I can only assume most of them have never either worked as a waiter or been friends with one.

A reposted photo isn't evidence of this actually happening, especially when some of these turn out to be fake.

So discussion on "how something like this might have happened" does not equal this happening.

Both of my sisters were waitresses and complained about it. I kept asking them why they chose such shiatty jobs. But the reality is, they enjoyed working with people their age... there was a lot of socializing going on... and they got free food. So the benefit to them was beyond the crappy wage.

And I don't care that the wait staff has to "tip out." Not my problem.

And, I have had waiters say, "Sorry, our policy on parties of 8 or more is to not split the bill..."

When a restaurant opens and states: "We will refuse all tips and our price reflects the quality of the food and the service" I will be the first to try it, but they won't.

/always tip 15% at least except for maybe 2 times where the service did in fact suck.
//tip VERY generously when I have my children with me
///we are told very often "We were nervous when such a large family sat next to us, but your kids are well behaved"


I tip at least properly, at least 20% as well, and would not be so ghetto as to ask the bill to be split. If I wanted to divide it up I would do it myself (for a chip in situation) or just pay the whole bill.
 
2013-01-30 12:13:13 PM  
Religion just continues to scam people in every way they can dream up.
 
2013-01-30 12:18:48 PM  

Bronzed War God: A reposted photo isn't evidence of this actually happening, especially when some of these turn out to be fake.


And another miss. Please, never play baseball. I never said the picture was proof this story is real. I wondered why so many people would immediately assume it's fake, considering the number of cheap-asses prowling around out there.

So discussion on "how something like this might have happened" does not equal this happening.

*snerk* I almost forgot how funny Fark can be. Once again, that is not what I said. Please, don't ever become an English teacher either.

Both of my sisters were waitresses and complained about it. I kept asking them why they chose such shiatty jobs. But the reality is, they enjoyed working with people their age... there was a lot of socializing going on... and they got free food. So the benefit to them was beyond the crappy wage.

...even your own sisters, eh? You'd probably throw your own grandma under the bus to make some half-formed point.

And I don't care that the wait staff has to "tip out." Not my problem.

LOL. Of course it isn't. There's only one person that matters here, and it is, of course, you.

/always tip 15% at least except for maybe 2 times where the service did in fact suck.
//tip VERY generously when I have my children with me
///we are told very often "We were nervous when such a large family sat next to us, but your kids are well behaved"


Well, now I'm impressed, good citizen. I bet you have a 15" dick, too.
 
2013-01-30 12:32:06 PM  

people: Neondistraction: Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.

Aaaannnd. Holy crap, thats real
Friend received this "tip" from a group of uppity Christians. It was folded in half so it would seem legit. Bill was $105
[i.imgur.com image 480x640]


My fiancee got one of those as a group tip when she was a waitress, she said it was the most insulted she had ever felt by one of her tables.
 
2013-01-30 12:35:43 PM  
In my experience, the worst tippers have been the ultra-religious, Chinese, and Indians (Asian). What sets the Bible beaters apart though is that they're so self-righteous in their douchebaggery
 
2013-01-30 12:35:58 PM  

CeroX: Bah, had some douche do that to me when i was a bartender... was a sunday afternoon, they came in, dressed in their sunday best, sat at the high top, ordered what amounted to be a typical sunday after church meal plus drinks. Since it was a sunday we didn't have a regular server for the bar area, so we always took care of them ourselves. They ran up a pretty good bill with drinks... don't remember exactly how much, that was like 10 or 12 years ago. When they went to cash out, he picked up the tab for the whole group. Then made a point to tell me "i'd normally tip ya, but we gave our money to god today"... had a hard time biting my tongue that day... will never forget that guy...


You are a far, far better person than me. I'duv had a go at him.
 
2013-01-30 12:36:54 PM  

Shirley Ujest: people: Neondistraction: Reminds me of when I worked as a waiter back when I was younger. Instead of a tip, one day one of the waitresses got one of those stupid things that looked like a folded up $100 bill, but in reality was a note that said something to the effect of "Disappointed? You won't be if you accept Jesus into your life". That led to one of the most impressive strings of profanity I've ever heard. Not tipping is kind of a dick move anyway, but that's taking it to a whole new level.

Aaaannnd. Holy crap, thats real
Friend received this "tip" from a group of uppity Christians. It was folded in half so it would seem legit. Bill was $105

Someone needs to make the FSM version of this and use it for when they go to weddings and the collection plate goes around.


I've never been to a wedding where they pass a collection plate around. That would be pretty damn gauche in my social circles.
 
2013-01-30 12:43:40 PM  

ZackDanger: This is exactly why large parties have an automatic gratuity.

When large bills are divided into individual tabs, it becomes increasingly likely that no one will pay a tip, because they all assume the other people will cover their share.


Must be some cheap bastards. Most of the time when I split a bar or restaurant tab, the more people there are, the bigger the tip seems to get. Hey guys, the bill is only $50, why is there $80 in the pot? I don't know, let's just leave it all.
 
2013-01-30 12:48:44 PM  

Bendal: At our regular Sunday lunch restaurant, we were seated when a huge group showed up to eat. Our regular waitress told us quietly this group had called ahead for seating for 12, but they were now up to 18, over a third of them were kids under the age of 8, and more "might show up".

The rest of us non-party customers begin clapping. The kids sit back down; the parents quiet their conversational roar for a few minutes, then begin over again.

/we left shortly afterward
//our waitress apologized profusely for not paying as much attention to us as she normally did
///we unders ...


Sounds like a real classy place. I love how people always think they are best buds with their waiters. Kinda like stippers..
 
2013-01-30 12:52:46 PM  
God, I can't make it through all the comments debating whether the "total" amount included the 18% gratuity.

Really, people. Seriously.

$6.29 is 18% of what? There's your answer.
 
2013-01-30 01:05:57 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: God, I can't make it through all the comments debating whether the "total" amount included the 18% gratuity.

Really, people. Seriously.

$6.29 is 18% of what? There's your answer.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-30 01:22:16 PM  
The best tipper I ever saw was the bishop who took my catechism class out for pizza once. One of the kids had brought some of those fake-fifties with a religious message that he'd gotten at his own summer job and asked the bishop's opinion on the practice. He then specifically explained to us, using math on a napkin, how much waiters and waitresses make, what rent and utilities for even the humblest apartment cost, and reminded us that if we wanted to spread the love of Christ, the way to do so is by example, not just proselytizing. To prove to a fellow human being that our Way is worth following, he explained, we had to be the kind of people that someone would want to be like. The fake fifty, though...didn't that sound awfully like something a Pharisee would do? We kids all agreed (these are fourteen-year-olds,) and the Bishop led us in a prayer that we always remember the immediate needs of others when the time comes to share our faith.

So we decided not to order dessert, gathered all the crumpled ones and fives that we had brought for it, and then spent part of dinner marking the notations for our favorite Gospel quotes onto the bills. The Bishop himself gave the last twenty in his wallet, marked with a few words of acceptance and hope, and paid for the dinner on his charge card. Then we all stacked up the money, gathered our coats, stacked the plates and cups neatly at the edge of the table so bussing it would be easier, and scurried out to the parking lot, where we prayed that our waiter and busboy would see what we had done and consider Christ, if they hadn't already accepted Him. I think we'd scraped together $117 in tips for a $75 tab.

The very next week, the waiter showed up at church, and we welcomed him and his then-boyfriend as new members. The boyfriend had been raised Catholic and the waiter's family was agnostic, so they joined us catechumens for some of the 'basics' of the faith and we more or less adopted them as our big brothers. He and his now-husband had to drive out to D.C. last year to be married legally, but the Bishop still came back to bless their union in a church ceremony, as did most of us kids from that catechism class.

Not all Christians are horrible human beings, but it's the awful ones who speak the loudest.
 
2013-01-30 01:26:57 PM  

Salt Lick Steady: God, I can't make it through all the comments debating whether the "total" amount included the 18% gratuity.

Really, people. Seriously.

$6.29 is 18% of what? There's your answer.


*Raises hand*

OHH! I know!

It's TACO! You just have to divide Potato from Palin.
 
2013-01-30 01:28:02 PM  

Two16: CeroX: Bah, had some douche do that to me when i was a bartender... was a sunday afternoon, they came in, dressed in their sunday best, sat at the high top, ordered what amounted to be a typical sunday after church meal plus drinks. Since it was a sunday we didn't have a regular server for the bar area, so we always took care of them ourselves. They ran up a pretty good bill with drinks... don't remember exactly how much, that was like 10 or 12 years ago. When they went to cash out, he picked up the tab for the whole group. Then made a point to tell me "i'd normally tip ya, but we gave our money to god today"... had a hard time biting my tongue that day... will never forget that guy...

You are a far, far better person than me. I'duv had a go at him.


I enjoyed my job for the most part... wanted to keep it for a while...
 
2013-01-30 01:45:41 PM  
drewblood.com
 
2013-01-30 01:46:20 PM  

No Such Agency: Oh I saw it... it's just that, how is this any different from just not paying your bill? Isn't it considered theft?


gra·tu·ity Something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service; especially : tip

There's is no obligation to pay it. So it's not against the law, even if it is a violation of the first rule
 
2013-01-30 01:47:26 PM  

maskedloser: If you read up-thread, you'll see a lot of good discussion on how something like this might have happened. I'm a bit surprised at the number of people who immediately called fake on this one: I can only assume most of them have never either worked as a waiter or been friends with one.


You state that if people assume this is fake then they - mostly - must not have either worked as a waiter or have been friends with one. What part of that am I missing?

I responded that "discussion of how something like this might have happened" and a picture of a receipt doesn't make it true.

I'm not sure how that is English failure.

What was my half formed point? I gave you an example of someone who has this opinion who does in fact know someone who was a waiter... which was in response to your comment. I think it is fair, when I hear a waiter (my sister in this case) complaining, to ask "why do you continue to work there?" And the answer is because they like it. So the point is, in spite of all the "horrible tippers" they consider it to be a good place to work.

And yes, I do tip, and I try to minimize the impact of my children on the restaurant staff, patrons, etc. That's not boastful... but had I not said that I would have been accused of being some horrible person who doesn't tip.

I hate our tax system, but I pay taxes. I hate the tipping system, but I recognize that it is an accepted practice. I can still hate it.

And when someone says, "most of you probably have not worked or don't know a waiter" implying that is the reason we think this is fake, then I'm going to call them out on it...
I think it is fake because all we have is an image, and someone named gateflan on redditt. Now, am I doubting that this happens? No. Am I doubting that what we're being presented here is 100% of the story? Yes. Am I suggesting that we don't know who wrote what on the receipt? Absolutely.

So, I assume this is fake. We can disagree, and you can make comments about my penis size.
 
2013-01-30 01:53:38 PM  

cmb53208: In my experience, the worst tippers have been the ultra-religious, Chinese, and Indians (Asian). What sets the Bible beaters apart though is that they're so self-righteous in their douchebaggery


Sounds a lot what 2 Timothy 3:5 describes in your last sentence.
/Former waiter
//Don't be bitter
 
2013-01-30 01:54:16 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: No Such Agency: Oh I saw it... it's just that, how is this any different from just not paying your bill? Isn't it considered theft?

gra·tu·ity Something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service; especially : tip

There's is no obligation to pay it. So it's not against the law, even if it is a violation of the first rule


You are assuming that the dictionary definition of the name used for this fee over-rides the contract that is implicitly accepted when you order from a menu that clearly states that large groups are subject to an extra fee.

"Dictionary definitions are written with a lot of things in mind, but rigorously circumscribing the exact meanings and connotations of terms is not usually one of them."
- Jesse Sheidlower, the editor at large of the Oxford English Dictionary
 
2013-01-30 02:01:54 PM  
Pay the waitstaff a fair wage and get rid of the tipping system. It's annoying and I hate paying the salary directly to waitstaff. It's not my fault that they chose a crappy line of work where they depend on the generosity of others to help them make ends meet.

Yes, I can afford to tip. I choose not to buy into that system. And if I'm a part of a large group, half the time I'll grab a table that is separate but right next to them to bypass the "auto gratuity".
 
2013-01-30 02:15:06 PM  

Farking Canuck: Ctrl-Alt-Del: No Such Agency: Oh I saw it... it's just that, how is this any different from just not paying your bill? Isn't it considered theft?

gra·tu·ity Something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service; especially : tip

There's is no obligation to pay it. So it's not against the law, even if it is a violation of the first rule

You are assuming that the dictionary definition of the name used for this fee over-rides the contract that is implicitly accepted when you order from a menu that clearly states that large groups are subject to an extra fee.

"Dictionary definitions are written with a lot of things in mind, but rigorously circumscribing the exact meanings and connotations of terms is not usually one of them."
- Jesse Sheidlower, the editor at large of the Oxford English Dictionary


There have been court cases that show he is right. I linked a story about one above, but am on my phone now.

And if you are referring to the menu as a contract, you do have to look at the exact meaning of the words.
 
2013-01-30 02:21:04 PM  

Da Bum: Yes, I can afford to tip. I choose not to buy into that system. And if I'm a part of a large group, half the time I'll grab a table that is separate but right next to them to bypass the "auto gratuity".


Honestly, the restaurant should exercise their right to refuse you service. You have the option to opt out if you'd like, and order take out. If you exercise the space after acknowledging you don't intend to honor the social contract, then you shouldn't eat there, and they should correctly identify you as unprofitable. The prices you pay for any given restaurant that includes a waitstaff includes the assumption you will pay gratuity. They can't, as you correctly have deduced, force you to pay. They also don't have to provide you with service. You're abusing the system by taking advantage of the price discounts that offloading personnel costs provides while intentionally not participating. As a society, we find your shirking of your obligations to be freeloading, not edgy and rebellious. Get take out, jerk.
 
2013-01-30 02:34:13 PM  

Da Bum: Pay the waitstaff a fair wage and get rid of the tipping system. It's annoying and I hate paying the salary directly to waitstaff. It's not my fault that they chose a crappy line of work where they depend on the generosity of others to help them make ends meet.

Yes, I can afford to tip. I choose not to buy into that system. And if I'm a part of a large group, half the time I'll grab a table that is separate but right next to them to bypass the "auto gratuity".


If the net result is you ending up paying the same why do you care? I agree it is a kooky system but I don't see the harm in playing along. You sound like you are just a sad cheap bastard, and this is coming from someone who is pretty "cheap" himself.
 
2013-01-30 02:38:38 PM  

liam76: There have been court cases that show he is right. I linked a story about one above, but am on my phone now.

And if you are referring to the menu as a contract, you do have to look at the exact meaning of the words.


The fact that there are court cases demonstrates that this issue is not cut and dried. And sure, the word contract may be a little strong. Again ... dictionary definitions are not binding ... intent is more important in most discussions. In this case the client fully intended not to pay the listed price for the service and accepted it anyway.

In the end, if you have an issue with the clearly listed costs associated with a service then you raise the issue before receiving that service. Accepting the service and then debating the cost is a scumbag move.

P.S. If you want to argue that this was not part of the cost of the service then answer two questions:
- When the menu clearly listed it was it listed as optional?
- If the person informed the restaurant that he did not intend to pay the fee before accepting the service, as any civilized person would do, would the restaurant have served him anyway??
 
2013-01-30 02:40:27 PM  

Mr Guy: Honestly, the restaurant should exercise their right to refuse you service. You have the option to opt out if you'd like, and order take out. If you exercise the space after acknowledging you don't intend to honor the social contract, then you shouldn't eat there, and they should correctly identify you as unprofitable. The prices you pay for any given restaurant that includes a waitstaff includes the assumption you will pay gratuity. They can't, as you correctly have deduced, force you to pay. They also don't have to provide you with service. You're abusing the system by taking advantage of the price discounts that offloading personnel costs provides while intentionally not participating. As a society, we find your shirking of your obligations to be freeloading, not edgy and rebellious. Get take out, jerk.


Why would a business do such a thing when I pay for what I ate? Is a person who pays what they are obligated to pay the price they charge for the food unprofitable? If that was the case, then every single restaurant would be unprofitable because they are undercharging for their food. If the price I pay should include a tip, include it into the price on the menu, not in some outdated system that allows slackers to game the system and make more than they claim on taxes. I do my job, do I expect those I help for a tip for a job well done? No, I don't. I did my damn job and I don't complain because I got stiffed on a tip. I get paid what my employer pays me and we agreed to those terms. If I don't like the pay I get, I would find another job.

I had no idea that going into a business and getting their product involved some sort of "Social Contract" as you say. If there is a "Social Contract" then why am I not arrested every time I go out and eat?

Like others have mentioned above, look up the definition of gratuity and tell me that it's required. If it were required I would have to pay it no matter what, and it wouldn't be called a "Gratuity". Restaurants could give two craps if I tip or not. They just want me to show up, eat my food, and pay my bill. They don't care if the wait staff gets stiffed on a bill. The waitstaff agreed to be paid what they are per hour and hope and expect to make enough in tips to pay their bills and get their anal herpes cleared up before the weekend.

Sure, they could "refuse service" to me, but it's highly unlikely as it hurts the restaurant's revenue by refusing people who actually are polite, quiet, and don't hog a table for hours on end. I am not rude, mean, or anything to wait staff. I treat them like a normal person. And like a normal person, I don't give them money out of the kindness of my heart.

I had no idea that you speak for society. But I'll take a guess that truly you don't. Many people hate the tipping system and many countries out there don't rely on tips to earn income or to pay their employees. Tipping is outdated and past it's times. Every decade or so, the wait staff gets greedier and greedier wanting higher percentages of tips. It used to be 10% in the 50's. Then went up to 15%. Now it is expected for average service of 20% and 25% is becoming more the norm in recent articles out there. Why should the percentages increase while the cost of eating out has increased?

It's because waitstaff are lazy and greedy and self important. Thank you for proving that point Mr Guy. My tip for you, get a better job that you don't have to rely on the kindness of others to pay your wages.
 
2013-01-30 02:42:32 PM  

MagicPlasticTreeFrog: Pastors are the worst kind of people.

One of my ex girlfriends had a father who was a pastor. When they had a big party with all the other churchy types, they would make the children put razor blades in their mouths to keep them quiet.

Another ex girlfriend also had a pastor for a dad. He used to get drunk every night and beat her till she ran away at age 17. He promptly disowned her and refuses to admit he even has a daughter.

I know this is a tiny sample size to base an opinion on, but I've always felt these anecdotes were indicitive of the control freak nature you get from these types of arseholes. Fark religion.


images.wikia.com
 
2013-01-30 02:43:34 PM  

jst3p: If the net result is you ending up paying the same why do you care? I agree it is a kooky system but I don't see the harm in playing along. You sound like you are just a sad cheap bastard, and this is coming from someone who is pretty "cheap" himself.


Because of the quality of service you get with the tipping standard. They expect at minimum 20% now, even with blah service. If a restaurant is in control of the wages to make it fair for employee's they'd make sure that everyone got great service all the time. Not because of some expectation that someone would tip better or worse than another table and ignoring them. The restaurant would quickly replace them with someone who could do that day in and day out and get paid fairly.

Again, not cheap. I just don't buy into the whole ideology of tipping.
 
2013-01-30 02:50:02 PM  

Da Bum: I had no idea that going into a business and getting their product involved some sort of "Social Contract" as you say. If there is a "Social Contract" then why am I not arrested every time I go out and eat?


You are extremely stupid or a very hard working troll.
 
2013-01-30 02:51:36 PM  

Da Bum: Why would a business do such a thing when I pay for what I ate? Is a person who pays what they are obligated to pay the price they charge for the food unprofitable? If that was the case, then every single restaurant would be unprofitable because they are undercharging for their food. If the price I pay should include a tip, include it into the price on the menu, not in some outdated system that allows slackers to game the system and make more than they claim on taxes. I do my job, do I expect those I help for a tip for a job well done? No, I don't. I did my damn job and I don't complain because I got stiffed on a tip. I get paid what my employer pays me and we agreed to those terms. If I don't like the pay I get, I would find another job.


Because profitability is not limited to your singular transaction. Restaurants are profitable because their prices, in this country, are subsidized by the exemptions they have from minimum wage laws. These exemptions only hold up as long as the staff is tipped. You are correct, people don't like that we've inherited this system. However, the system is still in place, and you're still benefiting from it whether you like it or not. You are unprofitable because in not paying your portion of the waitstaff's salary, it requires other patrons to make it up, or the restaurant itself, or have unsatisfied employees. There's no zero sum option in which you get to pay to have your service included in your meal, but everyone else gets to share the reduced prices that comes with paying the tip. That IS the job, and that's how it's legally defined in the labor relations codes in this country. It is expected that restaurants subsidize the cost of meals by allowing patrons to tip instead of charging them for service directly. That's how it works. If you don't like it, there's plenty of fast food or take out options available. You are freeloading if you participate in the service portion and refuse to pay for it.
 
2013-01-30 02:56:52 PM  

jst3p: Da Bum: I had no idea that going into a business and getting their product involved some sort of "Social Contract" as you say. If there is a "Social Contract" then why am I not arrested every time I go out and eat?

You are extremely stupid or a very hard working troll.


See how late he is to the game? He is a lazy troll, a bum if you will.
 
2013-01-30 03:07:19 PM  

Farking Canuck: You are assuming that the dictionary definition of the name used for this fee over-rides the contract that is implicitly accepted when you order from a menu that clearly states that large groups are subject to an extra fee.


If you can find me a statue from any state that defines a gratuity in this context as anything other than optional, I'll eat a bug. If the menu says a "mandatory" gratuity, or "mandatory additional gratuity" will be added, then sure, it's arguable that the plain meaning of gratuity is not being used, and that it is actually a fee. But "Additional gratuity"? Not buying it. "Gratuity automatically added"? No way.

Absent specific statutory or contractual language indicating otherwise, "gratuity" has the same meaning from a legal standpoint that it does in everyday usage.

Farking Canuck: "Dictionary definitions are written with a lot of things in mind, but rigorously circumscribing the exact meanings and connotations of terms is not usually one of them."
- Jesse Sheidlower, the editor at large of the Oxford English Dictionary


"Statutory words are uniformly presumed, unless the contrary appears, to be used in their ordinary and usual sense, and with the meaning commonly attributed to them."
- Supreme Court Justice William Day, speaking for the majority, Caminetti v. United States
 
2013-01-30 03:17:16 PM  

Farking Canuck: P.S. If you want to argue that this was not part of the cost of the service then answer two questions:
- When the menu clearly listed it was it listed as optional?


The fact that they used the word gratuity means that yes, it was clearly listed as optional, since that's what the word means. What you should be asking is "Did the menu indicate that it was NOT optional?" Because then an argument can be made that it was more of a fee or additional charge. Otherwise, not so much
 
2013-01-30 03:24:44 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Farking Canuck: P.S. If you want to argue that this was not part of the cost of the service then answer two questions:
- When the menu clearly listed it was it listed as optional?

The fact that they used the word gratuity means that yes, it was clearly listed as optional, since that's what the word means. What you should be asking is "Did the menu indicate that it was NOT optional?" Because then an argument can be made that it was more of a fee or additional charge. Otherwise, not so much


By stating that it would automatically apply to large parties doesn't that indicate that it is not optional if you are part of a large enough group?
 
2013-01-30 03:46:28 PM  

Mr Guy: Because profitability is not limited to your singular transaction. Restaurants are profitable because their prices, in this country, are subsidized by the exemptions they have from minimum wage laws. These exemptions only hold up as long as the staff is tipped. You are correct, people don't like that we've inherited this system. However, the system is still in place, and you're still benefiting from it whether you like it or not. You are unprofitable because in not paying your portion of the waitstaff's salary, it requires other patrons to make it up, or the restaurant itself, or have unsatisfied employees. There's no zero sum option in which you get to pay to have your service included in your meal, but everyone else gets to share the reduced prices that comes with paying the tip. That IS the job, and that's how it's legally defined in the labor relations codes in this country. It is expected that restaurants subsidize the cost of meals by allowing patrons to tip instead of charging them for service directly. That's how it works. If you don't like it, there's plenty of fast food or take out options available. You are freeloading if you participate in the service portion and refuse to pay for it.


Again. Tips are not required. I don't believe in the system and honestly, could care less that you are grandstanding defending and white knighting those poor poor servers. Maybe, just maybe, if you defend them enough, the chick you tipped $20 on a $15 tab may slip in bed with you and not laugh at your tiny excuse for your manhood.

If a restaurant is required to pay their employees a real wage, I'd be more than happy to pay for that difference in the menu price.
 
2013-01-30 03:48:23 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: statue from any state that defines a gratuity


GIS for Gratuity Statue..

pocketcultures.com

I laugh because I constantly make horrible typos...
 
2013-01-30 03:59:38 PM  

jst3p: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Farking Canuck: P.S. If you want to argue that this was not part of the cost of the service then answer two questions:
- When the menu clearly listed it was it listed as optional?

The fact that they used the word gratuity means that yes, it was clearly listed as optional, since that's what the word means. What you should be asking is "Did the menu indicate that it was NOT optional?" Because then an argument can be made that it was more of a fee or additional charge. Otherwise, not so much

By stating that it would automatically apply to large parties doesn't that indicate that it is not optional if you are part of a large enough group?


Not to me. And I don't think most people or, more importantly, a "reasonable person" would necessarily interpret it that way either. Do you? Yeah, I could see a scenario involving an angry, insistent restaurant owner and a overzealous prosecutor, but even then you'd have to convince a jury as well.
 
2013-01-30 04:07:38 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Not to me. And I don't think most people or, more importantly, a "reasonable person" would necessarily interpret it that way either. Do you? Yeah, I could see a scenario involving an angry, insistent restaurant owner and a overzealous prosecutor, but even then you'd have to convince a jury as well.


Yeah ... you are just trying to find a loophole.

The fact is that the policy was clearly stated and if you have an issue with this policy you should contact the manager before you eat the food. Otherwise you are just being a dick and screwing over the lowest paid person in the whole scenario.

Lucky there are no loopholes to allow you to dine-and-dash.

/they just need to rename it to a "large group service fee" to close this semantic loophole.
 
2013-01-30 04:09:57 PM  
Luke 6:30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
 
2013-01-30 04:18:00 PM  

KrispyKritter: There is no excuse for being a cheap bastard. Hiding behind being a Pastor is as legitimate as saying i'm a pro ball player or a factory worker - it's all bullshiat. If you're trying to pull the "I'm a humble man of god without much cash in my pocket" then you shouldn't be dining out, dooshbag. I hate cheap people. Cheap clergy people, doubly so.

and who the fark thought that fake money would open someones heart to their god? WTF is wrong with people. some days i want to see it all burn, right to the ground.


I'll skip the obvious movie quotes and just say, good. You're learning. Keep that feeling. It will armor you.
 
2013-01-30 04:22:48 PM  

maskedloser: AnubisMan: Not going to defend this guy but he did tip 18% which is more than some farkers routinely tip... Also someone tell this dumbass putting Pastor on the receipt doesn't make a bit of difference

Check the pic. He didn't tip 18%. He didn't tip at all. He drew in a big fat zero and argued that since God only required 10%, there's no reason why a waiter serving a party of 20 should get an extra $6 and change from the "good" pastor.


Aye, if he's so farking holy, why isn't he giving god 100%? Isn't that what Paul and Jesus expected christians to do?
 
2013-01-30 04:32:08 PM  
Farking Canuck: Yeah ... you are just trying to find a loophole.

The Plain Meaning Rule is hardly a "semantic loophole" - it's one of the main foundations of statutory interpretation. And given that in the one single case I could actually find the prosecutor is explicitly quoted as holding my exact position, it would seem that the one playing semantics was you.

Farking Canuck: /they just need to rename it to a "large group service fee" to close this semantic loophole.


It's not nearly that simple, since calling it a fee or a service charge has fairly enormous financial ramifications for both the server and restaurant itself. For example, from a tax perspective, unlike tips, which are given directly to the server, a service charge is paid to the restaurant. That makes it revenue for the restaurant, which means they have to pay taxes on it. They also have to collect sales tax on it.

Also, moneys given to the server from service charges count as wages, not tips, and so can't be applied to the tipped employee wage credit, which would mean employees working only at tables with service charges would have to be paid full minimum wage rather than the small fraction of the minimum wage they get now. And that's on top of actually giving them the proceeds from the "automatic gratuity." And I'm not sure, but I suspect there are payroll tax ramifications here as well.

Of course, since service charges aren't tips, the restaurant can withhold any or all of it. How many servers do you think will continue working for a place that keeps their tips by calling them a service charge? And if they do, how good do you think their service will be?

So no, renaming it is not nearly so simple.
 
2013-01-30 04:55:50 PM  
"Yeah, thanks, asshole. Do you pay your water bill with God? Does God cover your car insurance? Do you eat and drink God? Oh, you do all that with money, just like the rest of humanity? Then stop being a cheap dick and give me a tip so I can keep living from day to day."
 
2013-01-30 05:16:15 PM  
A stingy religious person? Get the fark outta here.
 
2013-01-30 05:24:40 PM  
He should find out what church he is a pastor at and leave a note in the collection plate:

"I took my tip out of the collection plate. I took a $20 to compensate me for my time and gas in having to come down here.

Have a Blessed Day"
 
2013-01-30 05:30:35 PM  

jst3p: He should find out what church he is a pastor at and leave a note in the collection plate:

"I took my tip out of the collection plate. I took a $20 to compensate me for my time and gas in having to come down here.

Have a Blessed Day"


I second that motion.
 
2013-01-30 05:35:57 PM  
cl.jroo.me
 
2013-01-30 05:37:25 PM  

Fark You Buddy: jst3p: He should find out what church he is a pastor at and leave a note in the collection plate:

"I took my tip out of the collection plate. I took a $20 to compensate me for my time and gas in having to come down here.

Have a Blessed Day"

I second that motion.


I also wouldn't actually take the money in hopes that he got all pissy and called the police or something. That would be hilarious.
 
2013-01-30 07:02:34 PM  

Mr Guy: Honestly, the restaurant should exercise their right to refuse you service. You have the option to opt out if you'd like, and order take out. If you exercise the space after acknowledging you don't intend to honor the social contract, then you shouldn't eat there, and they should correctly identify you as unprofitable. The prices you pay for any given restaurant that includes a waitstaff includes the assumption you will pay gratuity.


The restaurant owner most likely isn't going to care whether you tip or not.  All they care about is filling the booths and getting their product (food/drink/alcohol) sold. Since the tip you leave goes to the server and not to them, I doubt that any owner would refuse service - but there might be a few out there that would.
 
2013-01-30 07:04:24 PM  

Farking Canuck: liam76: There have been court cases that show he is right. I linked a story about one above, but am on my phone now.

And if you are referring to the menu as a contract, you do have to look at the exact meaning of the words.

The fact that there are court cases demonstrates that this issue is not cut and dried. And sure, the word contract may be a little strong. Again ... dictionary definitions are not binding ... intent is more important in most discussions. In this case the client fully intended not to pay the listed price for the service and accepted it anyway.

In the end, if you have an issue with the clearly listed costs associated with a service then you raise the issue before receiving that service. Accepting the service and then debating the cost is a scumbag move.

P.S. If you want to argue that this was not part of the cost of the service then answer two questions:
- When the menu clearly listed it was it listed as optional?
- If the person informed the restaurant that he did not intend to pay the fee before accepting the service, as any civilized person would do, would the restaurant have served him anyway??


By calling it a "gratuity" they are saying it is optional.

You keep saying "dictionary definitions aren't binding" but if you are comparing it to a contract, it most certainly is, and the law is with the guy ordering when there is confusion.

A civilized person would use clear language.  If you intended to force me to pay, no matter what the service was, I probably wouldn't eat there.  By calling it gratuity you are saying that is what is expected if you like the service.  If (and I know this wasn't the case) they totally farked up the meal you should be able to give "0".
 
2013-01-30 07:57:47 PM  
God only needs 10% because he's tax exempt.
 
2013-01-30 08:00:14 PM  
This reminds me of when I used to wait tables.  If I had a dollar for every "pastor" who stiffed me out of a tip...

...wait, so...by "pastor", we mean "black guy", right?  Am I right or what?

Hey where y'all goin'?
 
2013-01-30 08:06:41 PM  
i'd really like to see tipping done away with.  i hate the fact that i have to pay extra for someone to do their farking job, or act like a decent human being while doing so.  Adjust the menu to allow a living wage for employees and be done with it.

/yes i always tip
//yes i've worked in the food service industry
 
2013-01-30 08:12:03 PM  
If you wanna look at it another way:

Don't pastors control where the tithing funds go? So, if this pastor paid his 10% tithe to his church, isn't he essentially paying himself?
 
2013-01-30 08:58:57 PM  
An autotip for huge parties, I get that, but when did 18% become a thing instead of 15% in a full-service restaurant?
 
2013-01-30 09:27:33 PM  
While there are obviously some crummy pastors out there, I find the story hard to believe. Either the whole thing was made up OR the customer wasn't really a pastor and was just trolling the wait staff to cultivate hate for Christians. Perhaps even a farker.
 
2013-01-30 09:30:14 PM  
Next time the pastor should simply pray to not be hungry anymore.
 
2013-01-30 09:39:53 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: While there are obviously some crummy pastors out there, I find the story hard to believe. Either the whole thing was made up OR the customer wasn't really a pastor and was just trolling the wait staff to cultivate hate for Christians. Perhaps even a farker.


Certainly can't be a True Scotsman. Let's go with that.
 
2013-01-31 02:42:37 AM  

ModernLuddite: I have sat through actual church sermons where they explain how to budget so you can give 10% (gross, not net) of your salary to the church. That was the SERMON. Not something they mention casually, not a 5 minute talk, but the entire hour of church for that week.


You also attended Sequoia Height Baptist Church of Manteca, CA, or are they all doing that now?

/The "gross, not net" sermon was also the last straw for me.
 
2013-01-31 03:45:47 AM  
i1.kym-cdn.com i.imgur.comi.imgur.com
 
2013-01-31 09:42:28 AM  

Farking Canuck: I drunk what: Farking Canuck: FTFA: "I Give God 10% Why do you Get 18″

Simple ... the waiter actually exists.

PWNED

gone in a puff of logic

I am really starting to like the new IDW. You make me laugh.


LOLZ

christians are so dumb and should be shot, anyone who believes in invisible sky wizards is retarded

everybody point and laugh at the retards Lulz lulz lulz

for Science!

/atheism rules
//we own rational and logic

*high five respekt brofist knuckles*
 
2013-01-31 11:11:09 AM  

I drunk what: Farking Canuck: I drunk what: Farking Canuck: FTFA: "I Give God 10% Why do you Get 18″

Simple ... the waiter actually exists.

PWNED

gone in a puff of logic

I am really starting to like the new IDW. You make me laugh.

LOLZ

christians are so dumb and should be shot, anyone who believes in invisible sky wizards is retarded

everybody point and laugh at the retards Lulz lulz lulz

for Science!

/atheism rules
//we own rational and logic

*high five respekt brofist knuckles*


6/10. Needs more Stormtroopers.
 
2013-01-31 11:12:13 AM  
www.superiortattoo.com

/Couldn't find the jar used in the first X-Men movie from 2000
 
2013-01-31 11:38:41 AM  

Farking Canuck: I drunk what: Farking Canuck: I drunk what: Farking Canuck: FTFA: "I Give God 10% Why do you Get 18″

Simple ... the waiter actually exists.

PWNED

gone in a puff of logic

I am really starting to like the new IDW. You make me laugh.

LOLZ

christians are so dumb and should be shot, anyone who believes in invisible sky wizards is retarded

everybody point and laugh at the retards Lulz lulz lulz

for Science!

/atheism rules
//we own rational and logic

*high five respekt brofist knuckles*

6/10. Needs more Stormtroopers.


but we are stormtroopers, now i'm confused, do you believe in evolution or not?

*highfivebro*
 
2013-01-31 12:08:24 PM  
The waitress who posted the receipt got fired.
 
2013-01-31 12:59:44 PM  
 
2013-01-31 03:05:34 PM  

I drunk what: Farking Canuck: 6/10. Needs more Stormtroopers.

but we are stormtroopers, now i'm confused, do you believe in evolution or not?

*highfivebro*


Needs pictures of Stormtroopers to demonstrate how people from all walks of life with absolutely no connection to each other are somehow working as clones of each other with some kind of group-think.
 
2013-02-01 10:10:52 AM  

Farking Canuck: I drunk what: Farking Canuck: 6/10. Needs more Stormtroopers.

but we are stormtroopers, now i'm confused, do you believe in evolution or not?

*highfivebro*

Needs pictures of Stormtroopers to demonstrate how people from all walks of life with absolutely the exact same butthurt connection to each other are somehow working as clones of each other with some kind of group-think.


fc00.deviantart.net
 
2013-02-01 10:20:50 AM  

I drunk what: Farking Canuck: I drunk what: Farking Canuck: 6/10. Needs more Stormtroopers.

but we are stormtroopers, now i'm confused, do you believe in evolution or not?

*highfivebro*

Needs pictures of Stormtroopers to demonstrate how people from all walks of life with absolutely the exact same butthurt connection to each other are somehow working as clones of each other with some kind of group-think.


There we go. Misquoting someone without the decency to indicate your changes with the strike-out font. This is the old IDW we all know and - well love may be too strong a word. But you get the idea.
 
2013-02-01 10:27:36 AM  

Farking Canuck: I drunk what: Farking Canuck: I drunk what: Farking Canuck: 6/10. Needs more Stormtroopers.

but we are stormtroopers, now i'm confused, do you believe in evolution or not?

*highfivebro*

Needs pictures of Stormtroopers to demonstrate how people from all walks of life with absolutely the exact same butthurt connection to each other are somehow working as clones of each other with some kind of group-think.

There we go. Misquoting someone without the decency to indicate your changes with the strike-out font. This is the old IDW we all know and - well love may be too strong a word. But you get the idea.


so then you don't believe in evolution? i'm sorry to hear that bro, don't worry as long as you hate religious people you can stay in the club, we own science so we can make exceptions for ya

keep it real

*salutes*
 
2013-02-01 10:38:40 AM  

I drunk what: so then you don't believe in evolution? i'm sorry to hear that bro, don't worry as long as you hate religious people you can stay in the club, we own science so we can make exceptions for ya

keep it real

*salutes*


While many atheists believe that science is the best method for finding answers ... the two are not related.

Evolution, abiogenisis, and the big bang theory are not related to atheism in any way, shape or form. Not all atheists feel that these explanations are necessarily the most correct/likely and, at the same time, there are many religious people that feel that some or all of them are the best explanations.
 
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